Do we need "Trials Finder"?

Sovaso

In my opinion we need that option because it so annoying when you don't have/like friends or guild mates or smth like that.

NewBlacksmurf

Sure thing!

Yes BUT It can't be like the dungeon tool.

WhitePawPrints

Mixed feelings on that. Trials can go well, or go very horrible so there should be some restrictions on who can use the finder. Otherwise no trials will be completed.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

Sure thing!

Sweet now when it bugs out it can lock even more people out all at once!

LadyNalcarya

Nah

"Our group cant beat first trash pull in vMoL, NERF IT!!!!!!11!"
"Why all the "tanks" that join for HRC are stam nbs with 14k hp and 10 cps????"
"NERF NERF NERF!!!!11111"
"Ive been kicked from all groups, I hate this game"

Ahem.
Better not to open Pandora's box if you know what I mean.
It might work for normal versions, but even then I'm not sure seeing pugs failing miserably at nMoL last boss.

P.S. Yes, nTrials can be done with pugs, but people in /z are at least making sure there's an actual tank and 2 healers etc.
Group finder's groups level is usually lower than average /z pugs.

Hand_Bacon

Nah

The best part of normal trials atm is already when people run around like a herd of cats chasing "simple" chests or heavy sacks.

Sovaso

Sure thing!

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

"Our group cant beat first trash pull in vMoL, NERF IT!!!!!!11!"
"Why all the "tanks" that join for HRC are stam nbs with 14k hp and 10 cps????"
"NERF NERF NERF!!!!11111"
"Ive been kicked from all groups, I hate this game"

Ahem.
Better not to open Pandora's box if you know what I mean.
It might work for normal versions, but even then I'm not sure seeing pugs failing miserably at nMoL last boss.

P.S. Yes, nTrials can be done with pugs, but people in /z are at least making sure there's an actual tank and 2 healers etc.
Group finder's groups level is usually lower than average /z pugs.

Completely agree

vyndral13preub18_ESO

Sure thing!

Hand_Bacon wrote: »

The best part of normal trials atm is already when people run around like a herd of cats chasing "simple" chests or heavy sacks.

I love it when they fall into holes trying to get them. Ok smoke break everyone! Be back in 15 and we will see if they managed to find their way back!

WhitePawPrints

Hand_Bacon wrote: »

The best part of normal trials atm is already when people run around like a herd of cats chasing "simple" chests or heavy sacks.

ESO+ Subscribers always gather Heavy Sacks. Simple Chest still have a small chance to drop the Trial's set items.

So that herd of cats will still get them even if some players are too "leet" to get them.

Hand_Bacon

Nah

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

ESO+ Subscribers always gather Heavy Sacks. Simple Chest still have a small chance to drop the Trial's set items.

So that herd of cats will still get them even if some players are too "leet" to get them.

From what I've seen, a complete pug will split up between the fight that is going on and trying to find that simple chest. I haven't noticed too many who are too leet to gather either, but like I said, complete pugs have a habit of ignoring whats going on to grab both. I was being generous by giving them an "excitement passive" for anything over simple.

LadyNalcarya

Nah

Hand_Bacon wrote: »

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

ESO+ Subscribers always gather Heavy Sacks. Simple Chest still have a small chance to drop the Trial's set items.

So that herd of cats will still get them even if some players are too "leet" to get them.

From what I've seen, a complete pug will split up between the fight that is going on and trying to find that simple chest. I haven't noticed too many who are too leet to gather either, but like I said, complete pugs have a habit of ignoring whats going on to grab both. I was being generous by giving them an "excitement passive" for anything over simple.

Well, to be fair with 75 cps in shadow simple chests arent that bad. Sustain is much worse ofc, but it doesnt matter that much in normals.
Pugs are usually very chaotic and of course a 12-man pug is progressively more chaotic than a regual 4-man dungeon group.

itehache

Sure thing!

Yes, although I'd say only for normal trials, not veteran.

Danksta

Nah

It's easy enough to find pugs in /zone.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

We need a something like a Global (game wide) LFG channel. Something other than the finder.

Or something where I can just check all the the things i would be down to do and the game puts me in a channel of other people that want to do similar things.

kylewwefan

Sure thing!

Could work if there were level requirements. Maybe. Probably not for Vet.

Titansteele

Nah

Nah, it should be a guild thing - best enjoyed that way

Spaghettiknight

Nah

Definitely not. Unless it has a really high Champion Point restriction.

Edziu

Sure thing!

on vet mode it will be fail but to vet trials people have friends, guild

a big YES for normal trials in finder, it will be good thing for people wanted go on normal trials, they will dont be reliant by zone, some people to find group.
as for now those who want farm these normal trials are reliant on zone on which they are and on leaders who looking for mates, leaders also will have easier job to creat this group without hoping on every zone.
mostly people looking for mates for normal trials in more populated zones like craglorn and zones with pledges quests and then what if someone want go normal trial but he is also questing on less populated zones or just in quest zones? they can mostly in every moment break quest to go on this trial if they want so finder for normla trials will be very nice to see

LadyNalcarya

Nah

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

We need a something like a Global (game wide) LFG channel. Something other than the finder.

Or something where I can just check all the the things i would be down to do and the game puts me in a channel of other people that want to do similar things.

Thats an awesome suggestion actually.

idk

Sure thing!

ONLY for normal trials. It would be oobvious pointless to try GF for vet trials. Would be a disaster.

And as long as one never is matched with players in their ignore list because we know someone will pull Rakkhat before everyone was in the room. Lol. (Ignore then kick him/her)

@Sovaso though joining a guild would be the best option for you

JinMori

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

"Our group cant beat first trash pull in vMoL, NERF IT!!!!!!11!"
"Why all the "tanks" that join for HRC are stam nbs with 14k hp and 10 cps????"
"NERF NERF NERF!!!!11111"
"Ive been kicked from all groups, I hate this game"

Ahem.
Better not to open Pandora's box if you know what I mean.
It might work for normal versions, but even then I'm not sure seeing pugs failing miserably at nMoL last boss.

P.S. Yes, nTrials can be done with pugs, but people in /z are at least making sure there's an actual tank and 2 healers etc.
Group finder's groups level is usually lower than average /z pugs.

Limit it to normal mode, vet is supposed to be for the best of the best, if they do lfg for trials this is what will happen, agree 100%.

JinMori

Or at least make a cp requirement for vet trials, so we don't get a cp 10 healer in a vet trial. Usually low cp players aren't exactly good players, yea there might be a bunch of good low cp players, but it's a rarity, i personally never seen one.

BlackEar

Sure thing!

For normal trials only but maybe not actually. I don't want it to be too much like wow with no social interactions

Vaoh

Nah

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

"Our group cant beat first trash pull in vMoL, NERF IT!!!!!!11!"
"Why all the "tanks" that join for HRC are stam nbs with 14k hp and 10 cps????"
"NERF NERF NERF!!!!11111"
"Ive been kicked from all groups, I hate this game"

Ahem.
Better not to open Pandora's box if you know what I mean.
It might work for normal versions, but even then I'm not sure seeing pugs failing miserably at nMoL last boss.

P.S. Yes, nTrials can be done with pugs, but people in /z are at least making sure there's an actual tank and 2 healers etc.
Group finder's groups level is usually lower than average /z pugs.

yep^^^

Vaoh

Nah

I don't feel a Trial Finder could ever work for two reasons:

1) Group Finder (4 ppl) already has issues.. Forming groups through it is often difficult and never guaranteed. Gathering 12 people would be a nightmare.

2) Normal Trials require coordination, which is not needed in Normal Dungeons or even most Vet Dungeons.

For example,
• The group needs to split up in Hel Ra Citadel and fight separate bosses. PUGs would never split up correctly
• People need to run to the light sources when fighting the Lightning Storm Atronach and stand on pads in AA. Also what about the Axes that need to be tanked?

I can go on and on..... And Veteran trials would be 100% impossible through a Trial Finder.

Unless they scale the players up so high (and the adds down) that they can skip every single mechanic and survive with a singular Rapid Regen HoT on them, this would not work. By the time the Trial is made that easy, there is no point either.

Trials are endgame. Group Finder usuay gives you CP100s that don't understand the basics of how to roll, deal damage, or move out of red circles. This is fine, but not something that should be fine in 12-man content.

EvilCroc

Sure thing!

Yes, but with no kick option and without 15 min timer.

Danksta

Nah

JinMori wrote: »

Or at least make a cp requirement for vet trials, so we don't get a cp 10 healer in a vet trial. Usually low cp players aren't exactly good players, yea there might be a bunch of good low cp players, but it's a rarity, i personally never seen one.

The same can be said for high/max CP players, especially in terms of completing vet trials.

Artemiisia

Sure thing, but this never happens LMAO

I would personally never use a trial group finder, but cant see why it shouldn't be a ingame feature

LadyNalcarya

Nah

Edziu wrote: »

on vet mode it will be fail but to vet trials people have friends, guild

a big YES for normal trials in finder, it will be good thing for people wanted go on normal trials, they will dont be reliant by zone, some people to find group.
as for now those who want farm these normal trials are reliant on zone on which they are and on leaders who looking for mates, leaders also will have easier job to creat this group without hoping on every zone.
mostly people looking for mates for normal trials in more populated zones like craglorn and zones with pledges quests and then what if someone want go normal trial but he is also questing on less populated zones or just in quest zones? they can mostly in every moment break quest to go on this trial if they want so finder for normla trials will be very nice to see

Well, its obvious that vet trials are abosolutely out of question.
But even in normals you need minimal coordination. For example, Hel Ra, after the fisrt boss. You need to split group and send the tank to the left side. Doors close almost immediately, and half of the pug can get stuck behind the door.
In AA, people need to split group, there must be a healer on left and right sides, and even taunting isnt that obvious for new players. I pugged nAA the other day, and the tank only taunted the MAge, while her axes were randomly attacking people. Wasnt a big deal, but we had decent dps and I had an optimized healing build with good sustain.
Or lets take a look at Sanctum Ophidia, where you need to pull 2 levels at the same time. Or, even worse, nMoL with all these twin aspects or Rakkhat mechanics. Everything is pretty easy on normal difficulty, but you still need runners and running like a headless chicken on second boss can still cause a wipe. First boss can also be problematic with very low dps.
Also, lets not forget that for trials we need a tank and at least one (preferably 2) healers. It doesnt matter if they dont have minamxed builds/warhorns/whatever, but they have to play their roles. If you pug through group finder tool, you can even expect that - there's a lot of fake tanks and healers. With good dps its possible to ignore that in normal dungeons, but it will make normal trials impossible for average players.
Of course, you can just type the strategy in the chat, but most of group finder players dont read it/dont care, and thats an issue.

ForsakenSin

Sure thing!

hmm

honestly i would love to see finder for trials , and im not sure why ive read here that on normal would be hard?

Ive put together many normal trials for Helra even ranging from cp 200 and we always finished it, its easiest thing to do , as long as you are willing to explain what needs to be done its soooo easy.
You just need 2 healers and 1 tank that is it and after that we done others as well.

So i would be more then happy to get random people in trials and for those who think for vet trials you need guild i have to say not for all of them .. for example not for helra ive done it again with all random people first group we had 95% of random people cp 561 and on the last boss we got killed around 7 times and then 80% people quit , i got onto the chat to get random people we got 1 tank 1 off tank 3 healers and cp was ranging from 330cp to 561Cp so it was all over the place , the first time we got killed and then second time we finished it and it was easy as.


So my opinion random normal or vet trials finder would be amazing thing to do.

Lashiing

Nah

got a team of decent players out of craglorn the other day to do nMoL
my dps meter was reading 50-60%+ the entire time
disbanded at last boss, not doing lunar cycle with pugs