Agreed!

Vudokan wrote: »

Morimizo wrote: »

It is going to be so difficult to choose...

30 bland cups (which are actually goblets, since there is a stem), or;

30 King Kurog-sized beds.

Never mind, I'm sure it will work out fine. Quite fine. They probably have the same number of style materials anyway.

It would be complicated to come up with a system whereby tiny items take up a smaller percentage of housing space than larger items, but I think that would be preferable. Either that, or simply give small items a separate housing slot allocation that is a lot higher. So, for example, a house that might have 300/600 housing slots would also have 500/1,000 'accessories' slots for small items such as spoons, forks, bowls, etc.

I also feel strongly that all houses should be upgradeable in terms of housing slots, through paying a fee or performing some sort of quest or task.

increase the number of slots available.
items can cost more than 1 slot.

example : 1 cup = 1 slot. King Kurog bed costs 50 slots.

In regard to #9 I believe they already said that you can increase the cap on the items in your house by having an ESO+ membership

Just found two epic quality treasures from lockboxes. Should I sell it to fence, launder it or wait?

willlienellson wrote: »

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

Just found two epic quality treasures from lockboxes. Should I sell it to fence, launder it or wait?

It depends on if you think Zos will make any changes we are asking for. Currently on the PTS they have no practical use. They have no physical presence. If you don't fence them, they will sit in your inventory rotting. That is the current state of things on both live and PTS.

Thank you:) I will wait until patch notes today atleast. If no changes, I sell them. Working on the 1 mill gold achievement

willlienellson wrote: »

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

Thank you:) I will wait until patch notes today atleast. If no changes, I sell them. Working on the 1 mill gold achievement

Good luck. It's too bad this housing update makes having 1 million gold feel like being a pauper.

Well, only if you spend it on a house. If you don't, then you are rich beyond anything worth buying.

Yes, I am suggesting that people might be smarter to not buy a house until they improve it a few Updates down the calendar. Not only is the utility not there, for the price, but there is a risk of bugs and problems that could result in changes down the road that will impact house layouts, furniture placement, etc. If we can count on anything, it is that critical bugs will be found and left unfixed for a while.

and let me add... oh wait.. There's an Official Feedback Thread for Housing you say? All of this has already been posted you say? Well, What d'ya know..? LOL

The "fixes/suggestions" post no one saw:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3687899/#Comment_3687899

petraeus1 wrote: »

I mean, if ZOS can technically increase the amount of slots, they should just do it. I don't see why it should be locked behind an upgrade fee or something similar: the fun part of Housing, decorating your properties, is by nature of how ZOS set up furniture crafting an expensive hassle as it is, if not too much so. Putting up further barriers are not needed or wanted.

I don't have a problem with houses being a further gold sink in this way. Just as we have to train horses to max them out, and pay for bank and inventory upgrades, I don't have a problem with having to perform tasks or pay a bit of extra gold to get more furniture slots. Particularly if the alternative is not having more available slots.

Very good post, I agree with much of it. I have kept myself away from the PTS because I want the enjoyment of discovering housing and all when it goes live (though I can't help reading up on it sometimes) so what I have to say may be off some.

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3- This was an issue in SWTOR housing, which had other issues sure, but over time they started adding more "movement". NPC's that shift their weight, stretch, swing weapons, consoles with moving images, droids that move about, spin and whatnot. Movement adds a lot and i agree there should be more.

As for critters, if ZOS needs a way to do so that also adds some grind/cost, why not make them craftable? I've seen in game things brought back from the dead after years, so its not outside the realm of possibility in game (for RP and such). Maybe 5 small game, 1 filled soul crystal and poof... a squirrel... Same thing with foul hide for a rat, large game for a deer, carapace for a scorpion or spider, etc. A use for some of that stored away garbage. With a high enough crafting cost (maybe 50 instead of 5) some people would choose to buy them for gold (money sink) or if they don’t have or want to spend gold, the crown store (if cheap enough).

If that’s still too common or easy, add a new item that critters can drop... an "Essence of Hircine" (or whatever fits) on a rare (but not obscenely rare) drop chance. Then with the same materials PLUS one of these rare drops ... poof a deer or rat or whatever.

5- Price for houses I am ok with, as a casual I have enough to buy a medium house, and with work could see getting a large one if i wanted. Maybe some cant, but I don’t play a ton and IMO its doable but with some work. Besides that’s a one time purchase I feel should be worked for.

Prices for furniture I think is a bit overboard. I’m not even referring to gold purchasable things, but specifically craftable items. It just seems like the material amounts are meant to drain away years of saved up stuff, but for those people who didn’t horde everything away it becomes a cost endeavor either in time or gold. Someone posted on another thread (so maybe its wrong) but he said crafting bananas took 10 nickel? Why?... shouldn’t the materials be maybe bananas? Heck even 10 bananas to craft 1 furniture banana... 20... 50... whatever, but why nickel?

I have what I always thought of as a supply of these things as crafting gear takes 1, but with the numbers I’ve seen in videos and such, what I have would be gone after crafting maybe 10 small items.

Also in 5- At least bank access. If players aren’t subscribers (which I am) and they need to craft at the tables they WILL be allowed in house, they need to leave and go to the bank and return, just seems like an overly complicated waste and less reason for people to use there house. (OR of course a nudge-nudge to go subscribe). Make it like the Outlaw Dens, where the bank only acts as a bank, not a guild traders if you want to reduce functionality. I understand they don’t want everything in house, then no ones in the world and it begins to feel lifeless (SWTOR had this issue IMO).

7- With the crafting bag I’ve never had inventory space issues, but for those without I can see it. (Another nudge-nudge to go subscribe perhaps). So with at very least bank access it would allow more accessibility to store goods, get/craft furniture then swap things back around. All in all though a furniture tab (hate to say this but...) maybe even just for subscribers like the crafting bag (nudge-nudge) might be a helpful thing.

9- I always want more things in home, and personally IF someone wants to fill it with junk or make a warehouse, let them. BUT this might be more of a game engine thing? SWTOR from what I remember had limits because the engine just couldn’t handle too much more in a certain size space. Of not? Upgrade away, the more the better.

10- This I am all for. While ZOS needs money yes, in the long term what helps people keep playing (and so spending)...(IMO)... is having things to do in the game. Once the game become:

Run dailies - get money - buy item - repeat...

People get bored and begin to drift away. The more items scattered about the world from bosses, dungeons, stealing, chest, nodes, random, the more people have to go do things.

For stealing i agree would add a lot to the game. Maybe they do occasionally drop a rare version of an item that can be furniture or maybe all items have the possibility but they need to be “specially” laundered first with a new set of “Ownership Papers” forged from the thieves guild which cost a lot of gold (gold sink) or crowns ($$).

willlienellson wrote: »

I want to elaborate on something I said in #11.

Here is a screen cap of a bunch of items I stole and then fenced which seem like things someone could place in their home. None of them can be used as furnishings and so far, I haven't found a single item that can be.



SOLUTION:I really want to focus on giving Zos affordable, low man-hour, easy to implement solutions. (something I think we should all do more often) If it's not cost effective to create models for some of these items, then I have a super easy obvious solution:
Add the crafted furnishings into the loot table for stolen items with a very low drop rate.

Please consider this and how easy it would be to implement. The drop rate can still be very low and have very little impact on the economy and demand of, and reward for, crafting.

Once upon a time this game was marketed as "play how you want", but this update continues in the other direction. Heck, I'm even severely penalized because I CHOSE to split up my crafting duties between multiple characters. What a basic decision to be penalized for considering the context of how the game was presented.

But here is an opportunity to add a little of that original idea back into the game with no downside. If someone would rather spend 90 minutes stealing than 30 minutes farming nodes, why not give them a way to gain some furnishings in that way? Besides the fact that so many stolen items just seem to obviously be furnishings in name, this would one small thing that would bring continuity to the next update and make it more enjoyable for ALL players.

I, like everyone else, wold love to see stolen items become ACTUAL items in game. But this will require a LOT of man hours for the art staff modeling these things and making sure they work in the case of useable furniture. We all WISHED they would have thought of this and implemented it when they started working on housing but now, at best, we'll have to hope it happens somewhere in the future.

MornaBaine wrote: »

willlienellson wrote: »

I want to elaborate on something I said in #11.

Here is a screen cap of a bunch of items I stole and then fenced which seem like things someone could place in their home. None of them can be used as furnishings and so far, I haven't found a single item that can be.



SOLUTION:I really want to focus on giving Zos affordable, low man-hour, easy to implement solutions. (something I think we should all do more often) If it's not cost effective to create models for some of these items, then I have a super easy obvious solution:
Add the crafted furnishings into the loot table for stolen items with a very low drop rate.

Please consider this and how easy it would be to implement. The drop rate can still be very low and have very little impact on the economy and demand of, and reward for, crafting.

Once upon a time this game was marketed as "play how you want", but this update continues in the other direction. Heck, I'm even severely penalized because I CHOSE to split up my crafting duties between multiple characters. What a basic decision to be penalized for considering the context of how the game was presented.

But here is an opportunity to add a little of that original idea back into the game with no downside. If someone would rather spend 90 minutes stealing than 30 minutes farming nodes, why not give them a way to gain some furnishings in that way? Besides the fact that so many stolen items just seem to obviously be furnishings in name, this would one small thing that would bring continuity to the next update and make it more enjoyable for ALL players.

I, like everyone else, wold love to see stolen items become ACTUAL items in game. But this will require a LOT of man hours for the art staff modeling these things and making sure they work in the case of useable furniture. We all WISHED they would have thought of this and implemented it when they started working on housing but now, at best, we'll have to hope it happens somewhere in the future.

I mean, they must have plans for them right? Why would they otherwise put so much effort in coming up with so many different stolen items and categorizing them etc., if they'd only ever be junk to fence off. That seems odd. Or they had plans and they were scrapped.