It finally happened!

The_Protagonist · January 2017

Elitists will always be toxic, IMO they are like this because it's the only thing in their life they have ever been good at, otherwise a normal content human being would not be so toxic.

But there is no need to rage so much, just take it in your stride and join a better guild, and remember that a clap (analogy of an event) always requires two hands to sound. So it would be wise to analyze yourself too.

magnusthorek · January 2017

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

The guild leader is probably the nicest player I have ever met on the NA server

Agree

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Plenty of time was goven to players to reach the dps required to pads the tests.

Agree, however if you took the time to read the novel I asked for DPS Test Groups the whole week. More even! Since it was announced I've been trying to contact players when I'm online without success.

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Additionally the guild offers people to contact in case an individual needs help learning a certain class.

Right... Because it maskes very much sense trying to teach a Magicka Templar with a Magicka DK video. THAT was the "mentoring" I had.

Lavum wrote: »

Can't DPS? learn to Tank/Heal. Can't DPS, get better.

If you took time to read some comments below the original topic you can see that I mentioned that during the witches Festival I created a tank character as a "backup" plan in case my latency issues screwed me the end.

The answer I received from the "administration" through whispers is pretty much that this doesn't matter. I HAD to pull 35~40k DPS. what if I decided to not playing DPS anymore? What if I wanted to be full time tank? Nope, no way...

Lavum wrote: »

Loosing ppl is not the aim of most guilds. I think quite a few ppl who posted before be hit some great points. And i do agree Tabby, we didn't get the whole story.

In reference of me and the relationship with the guild, yes, you guys did get pretty much the whole story.

Like I said I play mostly during afternoons (here) time in which there are good players online but there are not-so-good or not-so-competitive players online as well that need help with farming or pledges and I was always present helping those.

IMHO the guild lost a good player. Not an excellent player, I admit, my lag issues and my health conditions prevents me of fast movements, but I don't play at night with them or with their "core" group to cause any "harm" and when I manage to be in a trial group with full support (proper buffs, debuffs and etc.) I never disappointed.

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

Based on op's playstyle and interest of the game, he completely have no clue what end game progression guilds have to offer. Yes some guilds might suit your playstyle and personality, but not that one you are talking about. If you spend same amount of improving in dps as it took you to write this ***, you would have 5k more already.

I do understand game progression, mister, and I've spent several hours during several days testing and adjusting builds in UESP Editor before going in game and farming/buying/crafting.

However, everything is very situational. Crafting is expensive (regarding upgrades), farming is painful because RNG, critical hits are based on chances, buffs/debuffs depends on other players during the mission.

I was a bad player several months ago, I admitted that publicly in the original topic, and I did learn a lot. The removal was because of a technical issue.

Renoaku_ESO · January 2017

Sausage wrote: »

Its guild issue what has been around forever. We dont have any value to Guild so they can kick us out as they please and replace us with somebody else. I think players should carry guild progression with them what Guild needs, so instead of kicking us out, they should work with us, when one leaves the guild progression is removed from the guild too, putting them backwards.

This is actually solution to Elitism, when Elitist needs non-Elitist, its good thing.

Yes sadly I agree with this if any type of guild progression is put into a game by (X) User that user should have a right to be able to remove it such as (Currency) (Housing) (Virtual Property) I am not familiar with the way the guild system works in ESO, but I rather hate *** head guild leaders I actually had someone on Arche Age 2 years ago now before I quit, one of the largest property holders on the server, I built a full mansion for them a month later GM removes 3k gold from a bad trade leaves me with 0 gold says it was illegally obtained, I ask for 1 gold help in guild chat and get kicked after donating thousands of gold to the guild free, but nope Couldn't take it back lol...

Its awful that some people choose to be back-stabbers, but even I was taking a look at the old guild website I was a member of before just for *** and giggles, not only is the guild a lot less popular now, and lacking members but the whole path and way they do things its just awful having incompetent leaders in a guild that just can't lead a guild right or unjust, I would rather have games honestly have a more social method of things where they can be taken back unless an agreement in game is signed that it wont be or something, kinda like Black Desert Online with Guild Contracts.

Astanphaeus wrote: »

As a primary PvPer who can just pull 15k in single target dps when I try PvEing, I can still respect the desires of a PvE guild that want to compete for the top of the PvE leaderboards. I don't really understand the point of raging against it (and yes, if you make an entire forum post about it, you are raging whether you want to admit it or not). If you don't want to be a part of such a guild, then don't be; but there is nothing wrong with a guild that wants to be the best.

Also I think such guilds deserve to be called out, and I wish more games had a in game (Reputation System) and complaint system with Good Reviews & Bad reviews to make guilds more social so that people have to work things out rather than just kick users (In fact if I developed a MMO) I would do this so that people can't just be thrown out but improve the Guild system in a major way to prevent griefing, and leaders being ***, kinda like (Steam Reviews.)

As for people raging lol you have never seen me when I rage, I actually go off more than just writing a text post, I have over 1000 VPN servers, proxies, and I am not afraid to go troll, and stir *** up when a Guild Leader actually decides to be a ***, Luckily I have only ran into one of those in the past 5 years, and I put them all in their place still have all the evidence against the said guild, and Audio / Video Records too...

I mean there is no problem in going for the top leader boards and such, but being a flat *** to other people I mean its been 4 years since my horrid experience, and I do not forget the said people, or anything, even 10 years ago I remember the horrid experiences with bad people All of which I made them *** down and admit to what they did, as well as those who did not well lets just say they are hiding from me... And god forbid someone who you really hate from a guild meets up with another person IRL that is one of the worst things that can happen, we have seen what happens when a kid in school is bullied and they lose it and people get hurt, except I choose to just use the internets for that stuff, although just have to point out how not being a jerk to others is a good way to go.

Currently myself I am in a guild for the last 3-4 years I Think now doesn't seem that long but great people although the game I am playing is pretty dead at the moment and I am undecided on coming back to ESO or not I really don't like what the developers are doing with ESO.

LadyNalcarya · January 2017

starkerealm wrote: »

TirvelBalen wrote: »

This sounds like a L2P issue.

"Don't associate with idiots obsessed with their ePeen?" Yeah, I guess.

This hateful and toxic attitude needs to stop tho.
People can play as they want in their guild. And if they demand dps tests, its their right and it doesnt make them bad people. In fact, they can be very friendly (at least I havent seen too many "idiots, obsessed their epeens" in "elite" guilds; but there's plenty in group finder and semi-casual guilds).
Its NORMAL for guilds to have rules. They exist even in rp guilds, and even in rp guilds if there's a conflict, someone might end up being kicked. And complaining about having a dps test in trial guild is like complaining about having to act "in character" in rp guilds.
This is either a troll post or something really emotional, and we dont actually know what happened. I really doubt OP tells us the whole story - who in their right mind would kick a good player that can improve? Trial community in this game is pretty small and the situation OP describes is far from typical.
But well, people see the mention of feared "dps check!!!!!111" and go full berserk mode, without even trying to figure out what actually happened, what kind of guild that was etc. This is just blind hate, and those people arent better than any pug elitists. Theyre jsut driven by assumptions. And that is extremely bad for our community. All those assumptions... Like, your cp is lower than 300? GTFO, scrub! You like to rp? Stupid lunatic! *throwing mudballs* Ah, you want to check dps? Burn in hell, elitist! Its all the same. And its sad tbh.
And if you're assuming things based on someone's emotional outburst (or, even better, a troll post), you're a part of the issue.

reesenorman · January 2017

To be fair you joined one of the best raiding guilds on the server so you are expected to carry your own weight. I cant speak for the leadership of the guild but you were given like a month to sort out your dps issues and you left it to the last minute. The option to reapply is always there.

Btw Soulshine and Soul Assault on a magplar is not good.

NovaShadow · January 2017

Think I know the Guild you're talking about as the one I was in had a deadline of the 15th also. I personally left as I'm not interested in endgame as I once was, was a little sad but no hard feelings. The guild is very different to what it was a year ago but you cannot stay the same forever, change must happen if a guild is to evolve and improve. I wished them luck and left.

If you're this upset perhaps you need to assess whether endgame is really for you. There's more to the game than running trials.

hedna123b14_ESO · January 2017

magnusthorek wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

The guild leader is probably the nicest player I have ever met on the NA server

Agree

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Plenty of time was goven to players to reach the dps required to pads the tests.

Agree, however if you took the time to read the novel I asked for DPS Test Groups the whole week. More even! Since it was announced I've been trying to contact players when I'm online without success.

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Additionally the guild offers people to contact in case an individual needs help learning a certain class.

Right... Because it maskes very much sense trying to teach a Magicka Templar with a Magicka DK video. THAT was the "mentoring" I had.

Lavum wrote: »

Can't DPS? learn to Tank/Heal. Can't DPS, get better.

If you took time to read some comments below the original topic you can see that I mentioned that during the witches Festival I created a tank character as a "backup" plan in case my latency issues screwed me the end.

The answer I received from the "administration" through whispers is pretty much that this doesn't matter. I HAD to pull 35~40k DPS. what if I decided to not playing DPS anymore? What if I wanted to be full time tank? Nope, no way...

Lavum wrote: »

Loosing ppl is not the aim of most guilds. I think quite a few ppl who posted before be hit some great points. And i do agree Tabby, we didn't get the whole story.

In reference of me and the relationship with the guild, yes, you guys did get pretty much the whole story.

Like I said I play mostly during afternoons (here) time in which there are good players online but there are not-so-good or not-so-competitive players online as well that need help with farming or pledges and I was always present helping those.

IMHO the guild lost a good player. Not an excellent player, I admit, my lag issues and my health conditions prevents me of fast movements, but I don't play at night with them or with their "core" group to cause any "harm" and when I manage to be in a trial group with full support (proper buffs, debuffs and etc.) I never disappointed.

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

Based on op's playstyle and interest of the game, he completely have no clue what end game progression guilds have to offer. Yes some guilds might suit your playstyle and personality, but not that one you are talking about. If you spend same amount of improving in dps as it took you to write this ***, you would have 5k more already.

I do understand game progression, mister, and I've spent several hours during several days testing and adjusting builds in UESP Editor before going in game and farming/buying/crafting.

However, everything is very situational. Crafting is expensive (regarding upgrades), farming is painful because RNG, critical hits are based on chances, buffs/debuffs depends on other players during the mission.

I was a bad player several months ago, I admitted that publicly in the original topic, and I did learn a lot. The removal was because of a technical issue.

You were on a magplar? PM me if youre interested, I will teach you how you can get 35--37k dps unbuffed on a magplar. This is my PTS parse:)
Unbuffed Templar DPS 2.7 https://imgur.com/gallery/e6DDO

LrdRahvin · January 2017

I'm just glad I'm an anti-social (though not irl) mmo player who genuinely despises people (at least most mmo players

)and plays exclusively solo. (Yes, I'm one of those dreaded ganker types everyone rages about so hard).

It's much easier to play these things when the most drama you have to deal with is occasional rage tells from semi-literate 12 year-olds (threatening dire irl consequences from people who likely have a hard time getting out the door) and those are easily ignored.

TL;DR: People generally suck

P.S. Let the flaming commence- I'm prepared (wearing my asbestos underoos).

magnusthorek · January 2017

reesenorman wrote: »

Btw Soulshine and Soul Assault on a magplar is not good.

Yes it is, it hits 15~20k per second.

Of course, it's not the only one one I use. For heavy and intense AoE (or HM Trials), I prefer Shooting Star or Elemental Rage.

By the way, you and me played together very little times so, please, use your own arguments instead of what Guild is telling you to say

hedna123b14_ESO · January 2017

magnusthorek wrote: »

reesenorman wrote: »

Btw Soulshine and Soul Assault on a magplar is not good.

Yes it is, it hits 15~20k per second.

Of course, it's not the only one one I use. For heavy and intense AoE (or HM Trials), I prefer Shooting Star or Elemental Rage.

By the way, you and me played together very little times so, please, use your own arguments instead of what Guild is telling you to say

Actually soul assault and soul shine are not sets you should ever use in PvE...

ZOS_Ragnar · January 2017

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Wollust · January 2017

magnusthorek wrote: »

reesenorman wrote: »

Btw Soulshine and Soul Assault on a magplar is not good.

Yes it is, it hits 15~20k per second.

Of course, it's not the only one one I use. For heavy and intense AoE (or HM Trials), I prefer Shooting Star or Elemental Rage.

By the way, you and me played together very little times so, please, use your own arguments instead of what Guild is telling you to say

And you could hit harder with other sets and other skills at the same time

Ashtaris · January 2017

Sounds to me that you are FAR better off not being in that guild, and such guilds are really only detrimental to the game.

magnusthorek · January 2017

I won't lie I know all sets in game. this is a game and it's supposed to be fun but if you think Soulshine and Soul Assault is bad and that there are other alternatives, name them, defend your argument, because I'm searched a lot and didn't find *much* (let's emphasize this) information about Magicka Templar in one Tamriel.

More even! Give publicly the advice or the "mentoring" it should be given while in the guild, instead of giving me a a worthless Magicka DK video.

anitajoneb17_ESO · January 2017

Ashtaris wrote: »

Sounds to me that you are FAR better off not being in that guild, and such guilds are really only detrimental to the game.

That's both untrue and unfair. If some guilds enjoy competitive end game and recruit, get organized and manage people accordingly, there's nothing wrong with it. People who apply there know very well what it's all about (results, not individual people) and I'm not sure I understand the OP's point of view.

The problems occur more in initially social/casual guilds in which a handful of people have become decently good and decide of all of a sudden to make "progression", create a "core raid group", etc. That inevitably creates gaps, envy, deception, conflicts that the officers are not experienced enough to manage properly and I've seen quite a number of guilds exploding in the process.

Artemiisia · January 2017

EvilCroc wrote: »

Is this DPS-meters fixation common for endgame PvE guilds? Or op was just unlucky?

for end game competition guilds yes, those that goes for the leader-board, the competition for top is extremely hard, and its the small numbers that separates them from being number 1 or number 2 , thats why some guilds dont allow people with less that 40+k on their score runs, which is totally understandable.

there are great guilds that helps and teaching people to become better at their dps, im in one that gives me tips and pointers to become even better at dpsing, where I dont join for their top score runs yet. Then im in two other guilds that have almost daily raids, that do it more fun the completion of the trial and getting on the weekly leaderboard, not as the top dogs

for me its about finding the balance between the two and im happy about this way of playing.

magnusthorek · January 2017

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

I'm not sure I understand the OP's point of view.

It's all a matter of companionship.

if you have a "core" group in which only the best players in guild can enter and you run raid trials to pursue more hard to get achievements, like Drom'athra Destroyer or maybe the Spotless Triumph, fine, you MUST have only the strongest players, healers and tanks in the group.

But considering most of trial runs used to happen at night times, sometimes were formed in secret (that one pissed me off a lot) or even formed by players of different guilds that happened to share the same guild with you -AND- in a trial you usually can do a decent job (as reminder, lowest I've got was 32k in veteran HRC HM), why a situational DPS Test against a dungeon boss that contributes NOTHING to anything a "raider" would do, is so important to the point of have one less good, although not excellent I admit, player available when the "top dogs" are away?

anitajoneb17_ESO · January 2017

magnusthorek wrote: »

But considering most of trial runs used to happen at night times, sometimes were formed in secret (that one pissed me off a lot) or even formed by players of different guilds that happened to share the same guild with you -AND- in a trial you usually can do a decent job (as reminder, lowest I've got was 32k in veteran HRC HM), why a situational DPS Test against a dungeon boss that contributes NOTHING to anything a "raider" would do, is so important to the point of have one less good, although not excellent I admit, player available when the "top dogs" are away?

It can be one of two things :

- Either they decided to "enforce" the "DPS policy" and since you failed, you were asked to leave ;
- Or this DPS thing is just an excuse and there was something more personal to it. From what you tell us it looks like this is the case here. There was something between you and "them" that didn't "fit". I couldn't say what, since as a fellow forumer you look perfectly ok to me, but as a guildie, something was wrong. Remember that not fitting in one particular aquarium doesn't make you a "bad fish". It's just that you need a different type of water and they need a different type of fish. There's nothing more suspicious in my opinion than people who love everyone and are loved by everyone, because if you're yourself, you cannot possibly please everyone.

You state yourself that "they hated you"... the wording is probably too strong anyway but isn't that a good reason to be happy to leave ? You'll find a guild culture that suits you, I'm sure of that.

dorfer · January 2017

nordsavage wrote: »

It is their guild to run how they see fit. Your rage is at a cancerous level.

Which doesn't make them immune from criticism.

I can run a guild and demand that healers do 80k dps in Vmol.

And people are free to say that I am a moron for having such unrealistic standards.

I can run a trade guild and kick anyone who doesn't make 100 million a week in sales.

And people are free to say that I am a moron for setting such standards.

magnusthorek · January 2017

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

- Either they decided to "enforce" the "DPS policy" and since you failed, you were asked to leave ;

I didn't even have the chance to fail as didn't even present my results, but i've got your meaning

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

- Or this DPS thing is just an excuse and there was something more personal to it. From what you tell us it looks like this is the case here. There was something between you and "them" that didn't "fit". I couldn't say what, since as a fellow forumer you look perfectly ok to me, but as a guildie, something was wrong. Remember that not fitting in one particular aquarium doesn't make you a "bad fish". It's just that you need a different type of water and they need a different type of fish. There's nothing more suspicious in my opinion than people who love everyone and are loved by everyone, because if you're yourself, you cannot possibly please everyone.

"If you're not hated my anyone, you're doing something wrong" - House

LadyNalcarya · January 2017

magnusthorek wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

I'm not sure I understand the OP's point of view.

It's all a matter of companionship.

if you have a "core" group in which only the best players in guild can enter and you run raid trials to pursue more hard to get achievements, like Drom'athra Destroyer or maybe the Spotless Triumph, fine, you MUST have only the strongest players, healers and tanks in the group.

But considering most of trial runs used to happen at night times, sometimes were formed in secret (that one pissed me off a lot) or even formed by players of different guilds that happened to share the same guild with you -AND- in a trial you usually can do a decent job (as reminder, lowest I've got was 32k in veteran HRC HM), why a situational DPS Test against a dungeon boss that contributes NOTHING to anything a "raider" would do, is so important to the point of have one less good, although not excellent I admit, player available when the "top dogs" are away?

Well, all you tell us about this guild seems very negative. It doesnt look like you enjoyed playing with them (and vice versa).
This negativity also seems very unusual. There must be something more than just dps.
You're basically saying they didnt want you in their group.
So why bother about being rejected?
If they were wrong about you, then you can join another guild and prove them wrong, if that matters for you.
If there was something else, and they disliked you for a reason... Well, even then you can join another guild.

hedna123b14_ESO · January 2017

magnusthorek wrote: »

I won't lie I know all sets in game. this is a game and it's supposed to be fun but if you think Soulshine and Soul Assault is bad and that there are other alternatives, name them, defend your argument, because I'm searched a lot and didn't find *much* (let's emphasize this) information about Magicka Templar in one Tamriel.

More even! Give publicly the advice or the "mentoring" it should be given while in the guild, instead of giving me a a worthless Magicka DK video.

Templar BiS is 5 BSW 5 Moondancer 2 grothdar 1 vma. If you dont have that then you can do 3 willpower 2 torugs 5 bsw 1 rando staff. Damage will still be well over 35k.

RazorCaltrops · January 2017

If you don't feel that you have a common goal with your guildmates, just leave it otherwise both sides will get pissed off. Some people have fun by progressing, pushing their limits etc. and its their right (play the way you want anyone ?)

Especially if you're in a PVE guild there are (and should be) strict rules like participating, raid times etc. which are vital because you cannot replace anyone in certain situations. I've seen people who go to work with 2 hours sleep because of the timezone, just to achieve something serious. And i've seen people who doesn't "feel motivated today" for a score run and ruin the day of the core group for no reason.

TLDR: if you can't handle the heat get out of the kitchen.

Horowonnoe · January 2017

magnusthorek wrote: »

reesenorman wrote: »

Btw Soulshine and Soul Assault on a magplar is not good.

Yes it is, it hits 15~20k per second.

Of course, it's not the only one one I use. For heavy and intense AoE (or HM Trials), I prefer Shooting Star or Elemental Rage.

Soulshine is not a good set for a magplar for pve because it only buffs certain abilities or ability types. There are other sets out there that can help you do way more damage than that by buffing for example your spell damage or crit, which applies to all of your abilities..

Soul Assault hits for 15-20k second you say? It is actually not that good if you think about it. During the channel you are unable to do anything else and its an ultimate and doesn't hit that hard. In comparison, radiant destruction hits for an average of ~30k/second and can go up to 42k/sec+ or more depending on how lucky you are with crits, etc (*numbers taken from a few of my own sample parses*).
RD - regular skill, hits 2x harder than SA, so why would you choose SA? Use meteor instead. It provides a direct hit + a dot. Also as a mages guild ability, meteor helps with your mag pool and therefore increases your damage even more.

And if you look in the comments above, several people offered to show you how to reach these numbers. Hit them up. Don't be shy. If you want to improve that is.

Dubhliam · January 2017

If you are half as good as you are claiming to be, you won't have any trouble finding another guild that you can do trials with.

Vildebill · January 2017

Children will always be children, especially on the internetz. Go get a new guild mate

rustic_potato · January 2017

Right.. I main a magplar DPS and I cringed when I saw that you are using Soul Assault and Soulshine in PvE. The unbuffed ceiling for a magplar is 37k ish and you couldnt get 35K in a buffed test. If you have spent a year raiding and still cant hit those numbers the guild you mentioned is not even remotely close for your causal play style..

I'm a member of the guild too and I wouldn't want to run with players who don't have a clue what they are doing and want to get carried with their sub optimal builds.. I'm also part of casual raiding guilds those are the guilds you should be looking for.. Not the guilds who are looking to be competitive..

You scream Elitism. I say NA guilds are not enough Elitist enough and that's why we are severly lagging behind our EU counterparts..

starkerealm · January 2017

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

TirvelBalen wrote: »

This sounds like a L2P issue.

"Don't associate with idiots obsessed with their ePeen?" Yeah, I guess.

This hateful and toxic attitude needs to stop tho.
People can play as they want in their guild. And if they demand dps tests, its their right and it doesnt make them bad people. In fact, they can be very friendly (at least I havent seen too many "idiots, obsessed their epeens" in "elite" guilds; but there's plenty in group finder and semi-casual guilds).

...and I have. Guilds that you might be categorizing as "semi-casual," but think of themselves as "the best of the best."

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Its NORMAL for guilds to have rules. They exist even in rp guilds, and even in rp guilds if there's a conflict, someone might end up being kicked. And complaining about having a dps test in trial guild is like complaining about having to act "in character" in rp guilds.

At this point, the question becomes, "are those rules being administered fairly." Setting up a DPS threshold, and then turning around and having a different, higher, number that the applicant actually needs to hit is not administering those rules fairly. This is because it gives them room to scrub people they don't like who passed, while retaining people they prefer who failed to hit the hidden value.

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

This is either a troll post or something really emotional, and we dont actually know what happened. I really doubt OP tells us the whole story - who in their right mind would kick a good player that can improve? Trial community in this game is pretty small and the situation OP describes is far from typical.

Which is why, I'm more inclined to chuck this one into the pile of players trying to pass themselves off as far more elite than they actually are.

Again, I do find the entire scenario entirely plausible, because people like that do exist in game. Sure, the OP could be trolling, or failing to give us all the information, it's somewhat unlikely he has all the information anyway. But, even an incomplete accounting is pretty damning, and there's no reason to assume that knowing "the rest of the story" would be exculpatory.

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

But well, people see the mention of feared "dps check!!!!!111" and go full berserk mode, without even trying to figure out what actually happened, what kind of guild that was etc.

Personally, I was responding to the part where the test actually had a hidden threshold required to pass, which I mentioned earlier.

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

This is just blind hate, and those people arent better than any pug elitists. Theyre jsut driven by assumptions. And that is extremely bad for our community. All those assumptions...

No, I'm taking the OP's narrative at face value. That's not an assumption. Stating the OP must be lying, because no one could ever be that heartless/kraven/whatever, would be an assumption in the absence of facts.

Now, automatically assuming the OP is a liar, and vigorously attacking them in a public space? Yeah, that's not doing the community many favors. Particularly because there are bad actors out there.

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Like, your cp is lower than 300? GTFO, scrub!

Yeah, this actually happens. You'll see threads complaining about it in general boards all the time. Usually with titles like, "the activity finder's lockout needs to go."

This is also what's known as a straw man fallacy. No one is bringing up low CP characters except you. Why? Because you don't have a legitimate argument against this behavior that extends beyond crawling into a corner and saying, "I need something I can definitively win against."

Good job, you've now erected a straw man in the field you can beat on for hours.

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

You like to rp? Stupid lunatic!

Another part of our community that does itself no favors. Another argument that has nothing to do with the posts at hand.

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

*throwing mudballs*

Just do it in Eastmarch. They should be frozen solid there.

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Ah, you want to check dps? Burn in hell, elitist!

Nah. There's certainly a place for that. Particularly if it's being used as a tool to help players get better. But, when you've got guild leadership demanding one number, and secretly requiring another, that's a problem. It's not about elitism, at that point. It's about a guild having absolutely terrible transparency.

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Its all the same.

Yeah, I can see how running trials is exactly the same as playing with mementos. They both require you to log in. Oh, the humanity.

Oh, no, wait.

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

And its sad tbh.

Yeah, the inability to distinguish between RPers and 13 year olds kicking people from pledge PUGs is tragic. I hope anyone suffering from such an affliction can find some help some day, because those are very different situations.

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

And if you're assuming things based on someone's emotional outburst (or, even better, a troll post), you're a part of the issue.

No, again, I wasn't making assumptions. An assumption would be if I believed that the author was being disingenuous because I'd somehow gotten confused and thought they were kicked from their trials guild for being CR15.

Surgee · January 2017

magnusthorek wrote: »

TL;DR

Elitism is a cancerous evil and caused my removal of an endgame Guild. Now move a long

I've been finally kicked of the end-game guild I was member for almost one year because because of technical details: I didn't manage to get a score against a dungeon boss that helps nothing against the real deal (trial bosses).

The "administration" always announced that Magicka players should achieve at least 30k as DPS while Stamina, 38k. When they first "threatened" purging the guild towards their elitism numbers I was really bad, barely reaching 18k.

Then I improved A LOT getting a DPS mark floating from 32k and up to 41k (once) against trial bosses on veteran difficult (32k was an HM run with a training group). Heck... even the first and only time I did vMoL I've got 35k, even not knowing the slightly different mechanics, learning them just-in-time.

With those results I was happy!

But then came the unnecessary test against an unreasonable and very situational dungeon boss and, although those marks were publicly announced, through mass mails, secretly, behind the scenes, the real goal was 35k for Magicka players. And this unbuffed!

I was reluctant on doing a DPS test under such circumstances. It didn't make sense! I've sent several DPS parses of important bosses (Warrior, Mage, in between mini-bosses...) and all of them were rejected because "they had adds numbers" even though there were no influence of them on data (only boss name in the reports). But I did my part. i gave up and did the "test" and, when I finally got a DPS Test group after spent THE WHOLE WEEK asking (since we had a deadline tomorrow, Sunday), I didn't manage to get the numbers.

I could blame the group that came with me during the "test" but they're nice fellows and don't deserve that. Did they do a good job on buffs? Can't say, but my latency, although it shows a moderately low number everyday, is a liar and was the real villain to blame. Every action takes like 3 seconds to happen, today was even worse and not only with me. I 'learned to lag" in the course of months of course but, for example, I can't be part of this cancerous community that cancel animations without suffer a double bar swap.

Now the [Snip] in the fan part!

1) Earlier today the "administration" whispered me "intimidating" I had until tomorrow to present my results.

This is an international game and people live under different timezones, so much that my Aussie friends were celebrating new year before me. With this in mind, for example, to me, Sunday is tomorrow and I've been kicked 45 minutes ago, which still Saturday.

Theoretically I could change gears and try again tomorrow, but I didn't have the chance.

2) Because of my timezone and the impossibility of playing at night (for most of you) because the server gets too crowded (I've tested it once) I often miss A LOT of opportunities. The only time I managed to go vMoL I had to wake up VERY early to get the "end of dawn" of the guild.

3) During afternoon (here) which is when I usually play, I literally have to beg for pledges or trials for weekly and people don't even answer. I understand if people don't want to do or can't in that moment but why the silence?

4) A lot of players in this guild hated me. Even people that used to be friendly to me got so cocky because were considered member of a "core" group started to treat me bad. Some proofs:

- A couple weeks ago we were doing vHRC for weekly I think. I was in a group and when we finished the crown said something like "if you want to go again drop group, change toons and X up in guild". I did and never got the invitation back for a group I WAS ALREADY IN. they quickly filled the DPS role with someone else and didn't have even the decency to explain.

Another case, more recent. -

- Today morning a lot of good players online and my first guild message in chat was for a vMoL group for the weekly. everyone silent (again) but then 30 minutes later (I was more or less monitoring the Guild roster) they formed a group in secret (probably through whispers or TS) and did the weekly.

I don't know you but to me, in my country, this characterizes as being personal, but they were too coward to speak to me directly.

5) A long time ago a player joined a vAA group formed by someone else AFTER me. He took the lead and kicked me without reason. I asked why and he threw on my face I was a bad player because he happened to be in the same run I was when learning vAA, that back when the trials was rescaled in which I made mistakes (who don't while learning?). He had balls to do that, I admit, but I argued with him, explained I was learning and got back in the group. and to shut him up I did the whole place flawlessly.

Isn't this personal? I tried to contact the "public relations" of guild, giving my feedback and to make sure it would be read I asked a favor in the message. This favor never happened...

Anyway...

THE GUILD ASKED TOO MUCH AND PROVIDED TOO LITTLE

If you run or is member of a guild that does veteran trials at different periods of time (something around -5 hours from the time of this topic) and couldn't take the newest homeless DPS of Tamriel without such rudeness and cockiness, please let me know.

[Edited for bypassing the filter]

Holy crap I'm so glad I've switched from ESO pc to ESO Xbox one. No addons and none of this elite player silliness. It all sounds worse than working in McDonalds kitchen in peak hours.

Esquire1980g_ESO · January 2017

OP, while people can certainly be a bit more rude on the net than they would be in person (I'll let others try to figure out why), this is not entirely the fault of the players. This is not a problem caused by players, the main root of the problem rests with developers and design of the game in the 1st place. Players react to the design/development and this is what you end up with. In ZOS' defense tho, it's not only them that have made and re-made this mistake, most of them do it. ZOS is just following suit.

The main problem is they have designed a game based entirely around DPS. In order to try and get "difficulty" they've increased hitpoints and defenses on boss/trash based on min-maxers and what the most advanced player, and then the best DPS producing species/characters/gear can do. Everything else is simply left out in the cold. If you originally chose the wrong of the 4 professions, your gated from the game, content, and guilds. This is why you see so many threads asking what is the best for this or that and people re-rolling toons, or just packing up and heading for greener pastures, when ZOS completes one of the quarterly nerf patches. Most players do not reach those goals and couldn't care less about even trying to gain some "magical" DPS number, they just want to have some fun and be social, while getting away from "tests" and "trails" that come with real everyday life. They just have to "suck it up" and realize that they're not going to get the total job done.

Developers have now forgotten that their game has to be fun. None of them want to have it said they "have an easy, casual, game" so they in effect "gate" most end game content from the masses. The "best" players, the min-maxers, are in the run for loot, gold, quest items, etc etc etc and they want their chances to complete to be a good as they can get it. While devs have purposely made the encounter "difficult" to limit their playerbase(s). The end result for most of the playerbase is frustration, the kind you spoke about in all of your OP.

It's funny what I've learned in the past couple of years now being the producer of an MMO that runs servers everyday and not just a min-maxer player.