Because pvpers whine. It ALWAYS people that play pvp that complain about something being overpowered. In every game, not just ESO.

Because they cant handle the power creep they've created.

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

Hey look! It's our daily post by a PVEr blaming PVP for nerfs that have nothing to do with PVP! Even better, it was instantly followed by someone whining about PVP whiners.

Take two seconds to look in the mirror. People are soloing Vet 4 man dungeons in PVE. That is exactly the type of thing that needs to be nerfed and it has nothing to do with PVP.

hey! just because i can blindfold myself and solo almost every vet dungeon doesnt mean there's a problem

ESO is NOT a typical progression type game where one gains power by completing the toughest content, and where the next content is tuned assuming one has progressed through the current.

ESO is a grind game where one gains power (CP) by grinding XP as well as repetitive content for gear, and where the real level cap is CP 160 and what the content is all balanced against.

When players gain too much power, typically through CP but also gear, anim cancelling, set stacking, whatever, they toss out nerfs to reset the treadmill.

The difference is instead of running content for gear to power your character, then having all your gear made irrelevant when new content with new gear is released, the power you gain is constrained and reduced by nerfs, while you get to keep running the same old content.

I pvp and pve and by 300 cp I had no problem with a vast majority of pve content. I think the only time I died regular questing after cp 160, was letting my dogs out and being afk. If we balanced based on pve, i would personally want big nerfs because it is way to easy a majority of the time. Your comment about stronger and stronger is over the top. There should be a limit and there should be challenge.

The balances on pvp shouldnt.....in an ideal world....be that massive. Small buffs and nerfs and changes to a handful of sets. People offered great feedback and zos went in a direction nobody on either side was asking for.

It' funny, because as primary PvPer, I can easily see that many of these nerfs have zero impact on PvP and are obviously directed at PvE. Which with the amount of whining and wailing from the PvEers, they obviously think these are actually big nerfs. And honestly, PvE nerfs were needed. When I can solo almost all of the non-DLC dungeons in my PvP gear, there is a problem.

I don't think ZOS is really that good at designing dungeons and making them difficult since they seem to mostly just use health buffs to falsely make dungeons appear more difficult rather than adding actual mechanics to the fights; but the point still stands that something needed/needs to be done, an these nerfs are a first step.

So I'll just continue to laugh at all these PvEers who think these nerfs were intended for us PvPers, while somewhat crying inside that none of the nerfs we actually wanted to happen have occurred.

Like someone mentioned above, there is a lack of end game PVE progression content. It seems to me like they nerf us to keep that old content challenging, rather than provide any sort of progression through regular release of raids. That, and they are now having to deal with a CP system that is getting out of control, even though many people pointed out the potential issues of power creep way back when they announced it.

Plus, it seems they are very heavy handed when it comes to "balance". They make really powerful sets/changes to skills without thinking things through, and then our damage goes through the roof. When our damage goes through the roof, out comes the nerf hammer. That's the real "end game" right there - dealing with their heavy handedness and lack of forethought.

Because they don't. People normally stay quiet about the buffs (downright silent if they over-buff) and whine about nerfs. That's what you're seeing in the forums.

The root reason for nerfs for the past year is by and large the champion system. The passives it gives coupled with newer and better high end gear make a number of abilities quite a lot more powerful than they were intended to be when they were created. Balancing out high cp, abilities, equipment, gear sets, and content difficulty is going to be an ongoing process.

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Because they cant handle the power creep they've created.

This in a nutshell.

There's no new real content for ages, new sets/scaled ones took charge and the damage potential in PVE is so ridiculous that organized groups can literally ignore most, if not all mechanics in an environment where even trash mobs have nearly the same health as dungeon bosses.

The solution was to bring new content, but instead they chose to "balance" skills only for PVE. PVP demands still suffering from lack of meaningful balance changes imo.

Because as of 1T, the majority of the world is supposed to be end-game content. The scaling introduced is supposed to make players of similar knowledge/ability comparable to each other performance-wise so that everyone can group together. Everyone being able to group together makes the progression that they do offer less likely to kill the game over time by spreading out the population across a massive power-curve.

When there are some outliers, (gear, skills, mechanics), and when they are combined together, they wreck this concept. That being said, they still allow quite a bit of shenanigans. None of the upcoming nerfs are going to stop me from doing VMA with just a couple lazy-deaths, (not because I am good, but because my class/gear carries me). They're not going to stop me from soloing every world boss or almost every vet dungeon boss that doesn't have some sort of enrage timer equivalent or team mechanic.

Besides, from what I've seen it takes a loooong time for people to realize how much power they can squeeze out of their character. Hell, it took me a long time anyway. Having pugged soooo many dungeons I can tell you the number of people that have really unlocked their character/class/role's potential is extremely small, and it definitely isn't merely indicated by CP. It's easy to spot because they're the ones that will be soloing the run and/or melting vet mobs like they're on the starter island.

TLDR1:
1T wants to scale the content for everyone to play together effectively; they have to reign in (just a bit) demigods coming down from the heavens to smite all content before mere mortals in order for mortals to have fun

TLDR2:
You (in general) probably have a lot more power to muster for your character(s) anyway

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

"Why do they keep nerfing classes, skills, and gear?"

because people keep coming to the forums and commenting that they want certain skills or ultimates or class weakened in some way. and they do this repeatedly untill they get what they want.
they even keep makeing new threads about that certain thing they want weakened and calling it "revisited" or "is this skill nerfed yet" type titles.
it is kept fresh and constant untill they get that item nerfed or weakened.

Does this mean it can be countered by having twice as many people whine and complain on the forums wanting specific skills, ultimates or classes buffed in some way and do so repeatedly until we get what we want?

What's good for the goose and all that.

I wish all the devs cared about was endgame pvp.. that would be *** sweet.

Tabbycat wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

"Why do they keep nerfing classes, skills, and gear?"

because people keep coming to the forums and commenting that they want certain skills or ultimates or class weakened in some way. and they do this repeatedly untill they get what they want.
they even keep makeing new threads about that certain thing they want weakened and calling it "revisited" or "is this skill nerfed yet" type titles.
it is kept fresh and constant untill they get that item nerfed or weakened.

Does this mean it can be countered by having twice as many people whine and complain on the forums wanting specific skills, ultimates or classes buffed in some way and do so repeatedly until we get what we want?

What's good for the goose and all that.

Well, it worked for the Sorc players....j/s