Nerf on stored Ultimate - 500 from 1000 on PTS

Massive_Stain · January 2017

This need for nerfing seems to be directed, once again, at magika sorcs. Specifically Overload users.

Let me just say my opinion: How about you leave the Ultimate counter at 1000. -- if it ain't broken, don't fix it.
@ZOS_GinaBruno please explain why this needed to happen?

WalksonGraves · January 2017

It is pretty broken, the most ult anything takes is less than half the max limit. Overload is pretty imbalanced compared to other ults, you can do millions of damage vs tens of thousands.

prototypefb · January 2017

oh but it is broken, overload is only ultimate gaining from this.
all other ultis deplete ultimate pool no matter how much times over it was stored vs the cost of it.
even with 500 there is still advantage to overload in certain scenarious.
should be 400 or whatever highest ulti cost there is.

jarydf · January 2017

I don't get this at all. I don't see why this was needed. There are so many lolwut? random nerfs / uncalled for changes in this update.

Massive_Stain · January 2017

prototypefb wrote: »

oh but it is broken, overload is only ultimate gaining from this.
all other ultis deplete ultimate pool no matter how much times over it was stored vs the cost of it.
even with 500 there is still advantage to overload in certain scenarious.
should be 400 or whatever highest ulti cost there is.

Overload isn't even viable in PVP. There are many different builds that get around/counter it. This is outrageous, and unneeded! Sorcerers have been suffering nerfs from the hap-hazard nerf-hammer for years. Take this from me, and I unsubscribe. Period.

Bobby_V_Rockit · January 2017

Now everyone else can use more ultimates. Its good

Mic1007 · January 2017

The only real class spammable Sorcs had, and now it runs out too fast to truly make a difference. Wonderful.

andreasranasen · January 2017

People actually use Overload in 2017?? Wtf.

Clarkieson · January 2017

Sorc nerf

Every patch a sorc nerf

Gg zenimax

itsfatbass · January 2017

andreasranasen wrote: »

People actually use Overload in 2017?? Wtf.

Yes, its a fantastic sustain method for magicka sorc. It has been for YEAARRRSSSS. 2017 won't change that, well... with this patch, it could!

disintegr8 · January 2017

Maybe this was easier than fixing the other Ults so that they don't use all of your accumulated Ult. I often have 600 or more Ult built up, use a skill that only needs 200 and it goes back to 0.

Personally I would have preferred the other Ults to only use what they need and leave me with change.

andreasranasen · January 2017

jphipps85b14_ESO1 wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

People actually use Overload in 2017?? Wtf.

Yes, its a fantastic sustain method for magicka sorc. It has been for YEAARRRSSSS. 2017 won't change that, well... with this patch, it could!

Tbh I don't know any competitive trial sorcs using Overload. It's only good in vma. That's it

darthsithis · January 2017

We don't use overload in trials, but elegance setup on vma? Ouch.

you could fire overloads from 1000 until 270 and then drop the destro ulti. I think that was their reasoning. It's dumb though because it just hurts one of the few things we could fall back on for dps without resources/a form of magicka regen that hurt.

Oh well I can't even at least my clanfear has more health or whatever

jarydf · January 2017

darthsithis wrote: »

you could fire overloads from 1000 until 270 and then drop the destro ulti. I think that was their reasoning.

Yeap. That is why they did it. Not a lot of peeps were doing it yet. They nerfed it before it became a "thing".

Lylith · January 2017

Massive_Stain wrote: »

This need for nerfing seems to be directed, once again, at magika sorcs. Specifically Overload users.

Let me just say my opinion: How about you leave the Ultimate counter at 1000. -- if it ain't broken, don't fix it.
@ZOS_GinaBruno please explain why this needed to happen?

cannot be said enough.

geonsocal · January 2017

hmmmm, I wonder if this means the end to seeing 2 dawnbreakers coming up on death recaps...

SolarCat02 · January 2017

geonsocal wrote: »

hmmmm, I wonder if this means the end to seeing 2 dawnbreakers coming up on death recaps...

Damage from Dawnbreaker is actually shown in two chunks. The first is the initial hit and the second is the DoT effect applied.

darthsithis · January 2017

jarydf wrote: »

Yeap. That is why they did it. Not a lot of peeps were doing it yet. They nerfed it before it became a "thing".

That was like my thing...and I streamed and posted about it. Did I just kill the the very thing I loved most in the game.......

NOPE STILL GOT MAH CLANFEAR LOL #killme

Gilvoth · January 2017

im not trying to be rude, i just dont understand what it means when you say

"Nerf on stored Ultimate"

i build up ultimate, then i hold it and wait till its needed, and use it.
i have done that in every mmo i have ever played.

so when you say "Nerf on stored Ultimate"
'i honestly am not understanding your wording.

Qyrk · January 2017

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

im not trying to be rude, i just dont understand what it means when you say

"Nerf on stored Ultimate"

i build up ultimate, then i hold it and wait till its needed, and use it.
i have done that in every mmo i have ever played.

so when you say "Nerf on stored Ultimate"
'i honestly am not understanding your wording.

Sorcerers can have ult numbers until 1000 due to their ultimate overload. They can toggle it on to use it and toggle it off to save the ultimate. By cutting it in half, sorcerers can only overload for half the number of times coming this update.

For most ultimates, it doesn't matter as the ultimate amount get used up once you use an ultimate skill. For overload sorcs this is a nerf

jarydf · January 2017

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

im not trying to be rude, i just dont understand what it means when you say

"Nerf on stored Ultimate"

i build up ultimate, then i hold it and wait till its needed, and use it.
i have done that in every mmo i have ever played.

so when you say "Nerf on stored Ultimate"
'i honestly am not understanding your wording.

Why i care about being able to store up 1000 ultimate vs 500 ultimate is single target damage on bosses. That is around 300k worth of more single target damage I can store up and do to a boss without worrying about the other resources. Also generating ultimate takes time so being able to store more up is handy.

What the changes mean is I am likely to use the destro ultimate more because I can not store up a large pool to deliver via overload light attacks so I will blow it in eye of storm bursts and rely on frags more. My dps is probably going to remain similar but I will become more like every other destro ulti magicka build people already complain about.

It is similar to the problem with proc sets. If you don't offer an a reasonable alternative build why be surprised when people choose to run the builds that work...

Taking away the ultimate pool removes an alternative build to the magicka meta. It seems pointless when they spend so much time buffing the pets to create an alternative there instead...

Vaoh · January 2017

Of COURSE we must nerf Overload. Way too strong.

Here I was thinking Warden was going to be the fifth class. I would not be surprised if Warden was actually the replacement class for Sorcerer at this point. They don't know what the heck they are doing.

Massive_Stain · January 2017

jarydf wrote: »

darthsithis wrote: »

you could fire overloads from 1000 until 270 and then drop the destro ulti. I think that was their reasoning.

Yeap. That is why they did it. Not a lot of peeps were doing it yet. They nerfed it before it became a "thing".

Well the thing is, I (and a good many more Sorcerers) use overload in VMA. With the massive buffs to Vet Dungeons and the business as usual Trial monsters (40+ million health), Overload has become useless from a DPS perspective in group instances -- but Overload has been the only sorc spammable for completing VMA quickly. This, the STUPID velocious curse change, and the bottleneck towards the "sorcerers must be pet builds" mentality from the out-of-touch developers needs to be rolled back.

Massive_Stain · January 2017

darthsithis wrote: »

jarydf wrote: »

Yeap. That is why they did it. Not a lot of peeps were doing it yet. They nerfed it before it became a "thing".

That was like my thing...and I streamed and posted about it. Did I just kill the the very thing I loved most in the game.......

NOPE STILL GOT MAH CLANFEAR LOL #killme

Yes you probably did. I did the same thing occasionally, but its been the sorcerers prerogative to play with the abilities. The take away for you is to stop sharing (even though the nerf probably had nothing to do with that).

This irritates me on so many levels right now.

Vaoh wrote: »

Of COURSE we must nerf Overload. Way too strong.

Here I was thinking Warden was going to be the fifth class. I would not be surprised if Warden was actually the replacement class for Sorcerer at this point. They don't know what the heck they are doing.

I really think the devs are drinking some serious kool aid right now if they think this is going to keep people playing (and subbing). My first toon was a High Elf Mag Sorc. I now have 10 other toons all maxed out. Don't make me regret the fact that I have a Mag sorc main, ZOS.

FloppyTouch · January 2017

Because F sorcs that's why the new mdk is sorc they just going to keep nerfing you guys until ur useless

strikeback1247 · January 2017

jarydf wrote: »

I don't get this at all. I don't see why this was needed. There are so many lolwut? random nerfs / uncalled for changes in this update.

It was done because it's pretty funny to see all the magsorcs go mental. Keep it up ZoS, I'm enjoying this round of nerfs even more than the last.

Pops_ND_Irish · January 2017

strikeback1247 wrote: »

jarydf wrote: »

I don't get this at all. I don't see why this was needed. There are so many lolwut? random nerfs / uncalled for changes in this update.

It was done because it's pretty funny to see all the magsorcs go mental. Keep it up ZoS, I'm enjoying this round of nerfs even more than the last.

Perfect !

Massive_Stain · January 2017

strikeback1247 wrote: »

jarydf wrote: »

I don't get this at all. I don't see why this was needed. There are so many lolwut? random nerfs / uncalled for changes in this update.

It was done because it's pretty funny to see all the magsorcs go mental. Keep it up ZoS, I'm enjoying this round of nerfs even more than the last.

I'm sure. And this post wasn't in reply to a troll, either.

Sinolai · January 2017

andreasranasen wrote: »

People actually use Overload in 2017?? Wtf.

Best ulti to use in last stage of maelstrom arena.

Massive_Stain · January 2017

Sinolai wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

People actually use Overload in 2017?? Wtf.

Best ulti to use in last stage of maelstrom arena.

Hands down. Very frustrating, and potentially a game killer. I honestly can't wait for the more popular streamer players to begin weighing in on this mega nerf to the sorc.

DRXHarbinger · January 2017

darthsithis wrote: »

We don't use overload in trials, but elegance setup on vma? Ouch.

you could fire overloads from 1000 until 270 and then drop the destro ulti. I think that was their reasoning. It's dumb though because it just hurts one of the few things we could fall back on for dps without resources/a form of magicka regen that hurt.

Oh well I can't even at least my clanfear has more health or whatever

Exactly this. Nothing better than going into a trial 1st boss with 1k ulti burning 40k overloads and LL then dropping destro ulti.

Kills some sorcs in pvp a little. Overloading a tanky dk and then going to staff bar with them thinking it's over....nope eye of flame here I come.

Good times.