Stamplars right now

Alcast · January 2017

Many good suggestions were made on the forum, none executed. ok

Zinaroth · January 2017

*throws his nordic bath towel in the ring and walks away disappointed*

Ashamray · January 2017

Redbook: stamina templar.

Ghost-Shot · January 2017

Alcast wrote: »

Many good suggestions were made on the forum, none executed. ok

Be grateful, they managed to make magicka DK even worse.

usmcjdking · January 2017

No, Stamplar is incredibly powerful in PVE and PVP.

This is why there are so many of them running around.

Brrrofski · January 2017

So we're stuck in medium in PvP, getting one shotted by everyone's crazy damage. Bad sustain, bad passives and lack of options. Still, at least they weren't in a bad spot like magica nbs and somehow still got nerfed.

ostrapz · January 2017

Yeah, it's not right to the 20 stampplars left lol

usmcjdking · January 2017

@ZOS_GinaBruno needs to look at this thread.

Not because of any information we have in it - but because of how EMPTY it is because no one plays the completely uninspired stamina templar anymore. This thread will be empty, remain empty and is only a testament to how far gone the stamina templar is.

WldKarde · January 2017

usmcjdking wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno needs to look at this thread.

Not because of any information we have in it - but because of how EMPTY it is because no one plays the completely uninspired stamina templar anymore. This thread will be empty, remain empty and is only a testament to how far gone the stamina templar is.

And yet this is my Main :'(

Oh well, at least she is still better at ESO than her driver...

And thank goodness for my other 20+ characters over 3 accounts!

I always seem to find a way to get her through most stuff, just wish my other characters would quit laughing so much in the process

Zinaroth · January 2017

usmcjdking wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno needs to look at this thread.

Not because of any information we have in it - but because of how EMPTY it is because no one plays the completely uninspired stamina templar anymore. This thread will be empty, remain empty and is only a testament to how far gone the stamina templar is.

This exactly. The Stamplar community is almost extinct. A lot of people play them as alts for giggles. But the people remaining actually still wanting to main one has really dwindled down. It was never high to begin with because the spec has always been subpar; but we have reached an all time low, and it is really underrepresented. Not because Stamplars contain some kind of hidden power or synergy that only few people have realized, but because they are simply not best at any kind of play style, like the other specs, and thus people gravitate towards those.

Edziu · January 2017

usmcjdking wrote: »

No, Stamplar is incredibly powerful in PVE and PVP.

This is why there are so many of them running around.

doing pve nonstop, dung, trials, I have not seen any stamplar on pve since last patch, similiar with pvp, I have not seen any stampler on pvp also since few weeks/months, where they are? please tell me because I cant find any of them outside of banks or crafting stations, guildstores

Cinbri · January 2017

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Many good suggestions were made on the forum, none executed. ok

Be grateful, they managed to make magicka DK even worse.

Most epic ***.

Faulgor · January 2017

What's a stamplar?

/s

Steffi_K · January 2017

Alcast wrote: »

Many good suggestions were made on the forum, none executed. ok

....

I really can't understand why they won't listen to us. I mean we play the game we know the problems.

White wabbit · January 2017

Rip Stamplar was hoping they addressed the armor issues but nope they didn't listen

Preyfar · January 2017

Steffi_K wrote: »

I really can't understand why they won't listen to us. I mean we play the game we know the problems.

Great example:
Players: "We want ice staves and builds to be viable for DPS and more!"
ZOS: "Ice staves are now for tanking builds."

What the hell happened? Seriously.

Fuxo · January 2017

My stamplar is a crafter. Now he can craft furniture!

Steffi_K · January 2017

Preyfar wrote: »

Steffi_K wrote: »

I really can't understand why they won't listen to us. I mean we play the game we know the problems.

Great example:
Players: "We want ice staves and builds to be viable for DPS and more!"
ZOS: "Ice staves are now for tanking builds."

What the hell happened? Seriously.

haha yes it has to happened exactly that way xD

I wonder what they did in the past 6 months. I mean beside spending our money and not listening to us. -_-

Docmandu · January 2017

Glad Wrobel took 6 months for those extensive class balance fixes!!

React · January 2017

We need a stamina based aoe class skill to even come close to competing in PvP. I've suggested on my thread (and have seen others suggest this as well), that "Blazing spear" become a stamina morph in it's current PTS state (8 second duro with 2 extra damage ticks from the live version, no longer stuns). I think this would be just the kick stamplars need to be put back on the map as a 1vX capable stamina class.

Bitings jabs is simply too hard to aim to be considered a powerful AoE in most situations. (in pvp that is)

React · January 2017

Perhaps a slight stamina cost decrease on "binding javelin" to help level the CC playing field as well. Currently with all the dodge mechanics and block mechanics players utilize in PVP, binding javelin simply costs too much to use efficiently, especially on builds that utilize lower stam recovery.

ManDraKE · January 2017

- REDUCE THE COST OF JABS. 2x times more expensive than flurry or surprise attack. Stamplar already have the worst sustain of all classes, having the most expensive dps skill of the game dosn't help at all.

- Stam morph of Toppling Charge, so we can finally play DW (the only way to make jabs decent on PvP) without having to backbar Critrush.

- Add some way of sustain withouth killing a target, repetence is simple not enought for selfsustain in most of the situations (less now that we can't drain the sphere from engine guardian set when it expires)...

- Add a stam based dot. Power of slight is another skill that is only worth run once in a group.

Zinaroth · January 2017

Liam12548 wrote: »

We need a stamina based aoe class skill to even come close to competing in PvP. I've suggested on my thread (and have seen others suggest this as well), that "Blazing spear" become a stamina morph in it's current PTS state (8 second duro with 2 extra damage ticks from the live version, no longer stuns). I think this would be just the kick stamplars need to be put back on the map as a 1vX capable stamina class.

Bitings jabs is simply too hard to aim to be considered a powerful AoE in most situations. (in pvp that is)

Liam12548 wrote: »

Perhaps a slight stamina cost decrease on "binding javelin" to help level the CC playing field as well. Currently with all the dodge mechanics and block mechanics players utilize in PVP, binding javelin simply costs too much to use efficiently, especially on builds that utilize lower stam recovery.

Disagree.

The problem with stamina templar at the moment are useless class passives and the lack of magicka based utility besides Purge on top of useless ultimates - and that is where they should put their focus; reworking some passives to provide more damage and sustain (not a lot just some), reworking ultimates to be comparable or even better in some cases than what we can get outside our class trees, and as the last they need to buff some of our magicka utility like making Rune Focus a true self buff that sticks to us instead of being some silly ground placed effect.

That is the TL;DR version and I simply do not care to ellaborate any further because we are speaking to deaf ears.

Like @Alcast wrote; many good suggestions have been made on forums, I know because I made a majority of them, none of them got executed, and they didn't even aknowledge our situation. We are a minority by now and we must face that as such we are given no developer time because not enough people are yelling. End of story. The only people who care about Stamplar balance in this game are the somewhat 50 people who still main them and who visit forums and voice their opinion, and our numbers have not increased over the almost three years the game has been out.

Time to face the fact and roll magicka, slap on Blazing Shield and a Frost Staff, and go spread cancer in Cyrodiil.

Faulgor · January 2017

Zinaroth wrote: »

Liam12548 wrote: »

We need a stamina based aoe class skill to even come close to competing in PvP. I've suggested on my thread (and have seen others suggest this as well), that "Blazing spear" become a stamina morph in it's current PTS state (8 second duro with 2 extra damage ticks from the live version, no longer stuns). I think this would be just the kick stamplars need to be put back on the map as a 1vX capable stamina class.

Bitings jabs is simply too hard to aim to be considered a powerful AoE in most situations. (in pvp that is)

Liam12548 wrote: »

Perhaps a slight stamina cost decrease on "binding javelin" to help level the CC playing field as well. Currently with all the dodge mechanics and block mechanics players utilize in PVP, binding javelin simply costs too much to use efficiently, especially on builds that utilize lower stam recovery.

Disagree.

The problem with stamina templar at the moment are useless class passives and the lack of magicka based utility besides Purge on top of useless ultimates - and that is where they should put their focus; reworking some passives to provide more damage and sustain (not a lot just some), reworking ultimates to be comparable or even better in some cases than what we can get outside our class trees, and as the last they need to buff some of our magicka utility like making Rune Focus a true self buff that sticks to us instead of being some silly ground placed effect.

If Burning Light would proc with every attack and not just Aedric Spear abilities, that could be the real deal. With a lower chance, of course. But stam sorcs can proc Implosion with every attack, so why shouldn't we have something similar.
Not sure about sustain though, as my stamplar is a Redguard, and that's not a good baseline to judge sustain on.

ManDraKE · January 2017

Zinaroth wrote: »

The problem with stamina templar at the moment are useless class passives and the lack of magicka based utility besides Purge on top of useless ultimates - and that is where they should put their focus; reworking some passives to provide more damage and sustain (not a lot just some), reworking ultimates to be comparable or even better in some cases than what we can get outside our class trees, and as the last they need to buff some of our magicka utility like making Rune Focus a true self buff that sticks to us instead of being some silly ground placed effect.

Agree, but you are only seeing it from a PvE point of view. Stamplars lack a lot of sustain and utility in PvP too.

React · January 2017

Zinaroth wrote: »

Disagree.

The problem with stamina templar at the moment are useless class passives and the lack of magicka based utility besides Purge on top of useless ultimates - and that is where they should put their focus; reworking some passives to provide more damage and sustain (not a lot just some), reworking ultimates to be comparable or even better in some cases than what we can get outside our class trees, and as the last they need to buff some of our magicka utility like making Rune Focus a true self buff that sticks to us instead of being some silly ground placed effect.

That is the TL;DR version and I simply do not care to ellaborate any further because we are speaking to deaf ears.

Like @Alcast wrote; many good suggestions have been made on forums, I know because I made a majority of them, none of them got executed, and they didn't even aknowledge our situation. We are a minority by now and we must face that as such we are given no developer time because not enough people are yelling. End of story. The only people who care about Stamplar balance in this game are the somewhat 50 people who still main them and who visit forums and voice their opinion, and our numbers have not increased over the almost three years the game has been out.

Time to face the fact and roll magicka, slap on Blazing Shield and a Frost Staff, and go spread cancer in Cyrodiil.

While I can get behind your Rune Focus idea, I still feel that we need some form of stamina ground target AoE damage to keep up in pvp. Currently, the pvp meta is either full proc or magicka AoE intensive specs (magplar/groth/puncturing/destroult) (mag blade/groth/sap/destroult). Stamplars NEED thisome extra AoE to keep up and be able to put pressure on multiple attackers in 1vx scenarios. I do agree that most passives are weak, in fact I literally only unlock one dawns wrath passive on my endgame build. Howver, I do not think this is the only issue hete.

Zinaroth · January 2017

ManDraKE wrote: »

Zinaroth wrote: »

The problem with stamina templar at the moment are useless class passives and the lack of magicka based utility besides Purge on top of useless ultimates - and that is where they should put their focus; reworking some passives to provide more damage and sustain (not a lot just some), reworking ultimates to be comparable or even better in some cases than what we can get outside our class trees, and as the last they need to buff some of our magicka utility like making Rune Focus a true self buff that sticks to us instead of being some silly ground placed effect.

Agree, but you are only seeing it from a PvE point of view. Stamplars lack a lot of sustain and utility in PvP too.

No I am not. I specifically adressed sustain and magicka utility. Where else than in PvP would those two matter?

ManDraKE wrote: »

- REDUCE THE COST OF JABS. 2x times more expensive than flurry or surprise attack. Stamplar already have the worst sustain of all classes, having the most expensive dps skill of the game dosn't help at all.

Really like this idea, would help a lot with sustain aswell. I think their reasoning behind this is that Jabs is a channel and thus one activation does more damage than another skill and takes longer to execute. That is just not how it ends up working in PvP; you end up getting a couple ticks in and rest is waste. So I think there's some merit to looking at, and comparing, the cost of our spammable attacks.

Nevertheless I don't even know why I bother discussing. ZOS will not read or aknowledge any of this. Literally no faith left in anything happening.

templesus · January 2017

What he said^. They'll just ignore us, again.

Asmael · January 2017

When is this new class being released?

Cronopoly · January 2017

Seems there are only two prominant PVP specs now. Do we dare fight it. Seems more powerful than any spec. It almost doesnt matter to min max. Just slap on any of the top 5 stam stacking Burst sets... And Magicka, just...equip the broom and Light Attack(LA) until the Death Star is charged.

Stack Stamina procs sets.
- LA, Gib...enemy dies.../walk away like a boss...

Destro Ultimate - Cluster up in ball, LA, LA, BoL, LA, LA, BoL, LA, LA, BoL
Scotty. "She's Ready Captain!!"
Kirk. "Fire"

ManDraKE · January 2017

Zinaroth wrote: »

Really like this idea, would help a lot with sustain aswell. I think their reasoning behind this is that Jabs is a channel and thus one activation does more damage than another skill and takes longer to execute. That is just not how it ends up working in PvP; you end up getting a couple ticks in and rest is waste. So I think there's some merit to looking at, and comparing, the cost of our spammable attacks.

in PvE is even worst, constantly having to stop the rotation to pick up a shard (which is already a pain because it overlaps with the other millon synergies around), and don't dare to die once, you will struggle with the stamina in the entire boss fight.