Please... Stop using heavy armor...

Balamoor · January 2017

Brrrofski wrote: »

Balamoor wrote: »

Dantonian_Rarstiana wrote: »

To the legion of players still queuing for dungeons as DPS in heavy armor...
Please, stop.
Put on some light or medium armor.
You are not a special little snowflake with a unique build.
You just take up space and slow every one else down.
That is all.

Bite me, This is Elder Scrolls not WoW I'll wear what I want and I'll still out perform most tards that play this game. If you want a certain type of player do what most intelligent people do and form or join a guild. I have and will continue to shut down know it all snowflakes that need to sweep around their own back door before telling others how to play.

By all means, do that for solo content. But a lot of people go into dungeons with horrible setups and prolong it by a lot because they don't add any DPS. It's other people's time they're using. I have like 3/4 hours a night to play. I don't want to spend half of it doing a dungeon because some idiot is spaming brawler.

I usually only do super easy ones with lugs for that reason. Anything semi difficult or long I'll try and get a group going.

Dude.....there are horrible set ups and then there are those that wear some HA as a Stamina DPS build and you know that helps when the jackass dungeon leader in the female pirate outfit who is yelling at you about your build but can't heal for Shirt.

The op said folks like that aren't being elitist ...no they aren't they are being ignorant and downright stupid and yes they will get full on Jerk from me they can deal with it or spend their life reqeueing personally I always folks to run with.

RedJoker · January 2017

Dantonian_Rarstiana wrote: »

You are not a special little snowflake with a unique build.

Is it just me, or is anyone else tired of hearing the morally superior use of the word "snowflake?" Kind of like "just saying" or any other catch word/phrase that's just plain annoying at this point. Yeah, it's in vogue, but when people use "snowflake" they really come across as a sactimonious pr***

Flameheart · January 2017

My advice:

- Log into the game
- Set up your snowflake build
- Don't group
- Do not think about grouping at all !
- You were just thinking about accepting an invite or queuing up to the LFG tool, didn't you ? Don't do that, really !
- Install Votan's Fisherman
- Get to any world map spot with water and a fishing spot
- Use your fishing rod

-> You have reached the game area where snowflake builds make sense and where you are able to play as you want.

Congratulations !

Next time, dear children, we learn about the commonalities of

- Choosing the "tank" icon in the LFG tool
- Having skills named "Pierce Armor" and "Inner Rage" on my bars
- and why wearing a bow on my first and second bar is not a good decision then

So my dear children, I now have to say good bye til next time.

Silver_Strider · January 2017

I just want to say this

Dungeons aren't hard. The majority can be cleared without +40k dps, granted it might not be as quick as you want it but point still stands.

Now, if I see my tank with a 2h and no taunt or a bow healer, you better believe I'm throwing on heavy armor to survive the hoard of enemies I'm going to have to deal with as I proceed to do 70% of the DPS that dungeon run but I've honestly stopped caring at this point.

People will play how they play and while I understand that people want their runs to be quick and flawless, don't expect that on every run. You're just setting yourself up for disappointment.

Brrrofski · January 2017

Balamoor wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Balamoor wrote: »

Dantonian_Rarstiana wrote: »

To the legion of players still queuing for dungeons as DPS in heavy armor...
Please, stop.
Put on some light or medium armor.
You are not a special little snowflake with a unique build.
You just take up space and slow every one else down.
That is all.

Bite me, This is Elder Scrolls not WoW I'll wear what I want and I'll still out perform most tards that play this game. If you want a certain type of player do what most intelligent people do and form or join a guild. I have and will continue to shut down know it all snowflakes that need to sweep around their own back door before telling others how to play.

By all means, do that for solo content. But a lot of people go into dungeons with horrible setups and prolong it by a lot because they don't add any DPS. It's other people's time they're using. I have like 3/4 hours a night to play. I don't want to spend half of it doing a dungeon because some idiot is spaming brawler.

I usually only do super easy ones with lugs for that reason. Anything semi difficult or long I'll try and get a group going.

Dude.....there are horrible set ups and then there are those that wear some HA as a Stamina DPS build and you know that helps when the jackass dungeon leader in the female pirate outfit who is yelling at you about your build but can't heal for Shirt.

The op said folks like that aren't being elitist ...no they aren't they are being ignorant and downright stupid and yes they will get full on Jerk from me they can deal with it or spend their life reqeueing personally I always folks to run with.

Well someone using heavy and spamming dizzying swing is my definition of ignorant. If they want to waste their own tine, cool. But what gives them the right to waste anybody's time more than anybody has the right to tell people what to use?

It's not elitist. If someone is sort of doing the right thing it's cool. Many people I've suggested swithich a skill and they've been thankful for the advice. Then there's the know it all heavy armor dizzying swing spammers who don't deserve a spot in a group. Or the sword and board DPS build. "But I have 3500 weapon damage!!!!!"

I haven't got time to waste on idiots like that.

Prof_Bawbag · January 2017

RedJoker wrote: »

Dantonian_Rarstiana wrote: »

You are not a special little snowflake with a unique build.

Is it just me, or is anyone else tired of hearing the morally superior use of the word "snowflake?" Kind of like "just saying" or any other catch word/phrase that's just plain annoying at this point. Yeah, it's in vogue, but when people use "snowflake" they really come across as a sactimonious pr***

"snowflake", "meta", "cancer build", "entitled" and so on are used by people who lack much originality and as such, I don't think he is meaning to come across as being a sanctimonious gobshite. It's all s/he has. Without those parroted and overused terms they have nothing.

Jimbullbee85 · January 2017

Each to their own I say!

Balamoor · January 2017

Flameheart wrote: »

My advice:

- Log into the game
- Set up your snowflake build
- Don't group
- Do not think about grouping at all !
- You were just thinking about accepting an invite or queuing up to the LFG tool, didn't you ? Don't do that, really !
- Install Votan's Fisherman
- Get to any world map spot with water and a fishing spot
- Use your fishing rod

-> You have reached the game area where snowflake builds make sense and where you are able to play as you want.

Congratulations !

Next time, dear children, we learn about the commonalities of

- Choosing the "tank" Icon in the LFG tool
- Having skills named "Pierce Armor" and "Inner Rage" on my bars
- and why wearing a bow on my first and second bar is not a good decision then

So my dear children, I now have to say good bye til next time.

@RedJoker Can we add "Dear Children" to the sanctimonious Pri** list?

I once beat a step parent senseless with a Baseball bat for calling me a dear child.

Jimbullbee85 · January 2017

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Fantastic, yet another thread from someone with an overly elevated option of themselves who think they can tell everyone else how the game is to be played (usually to their specification or not at all). Seriously, when are you people going to learn no one owes you anything and if for some bizarre reason you think they do, why do you even use a tool which groups you with randoms? You'd think taking this game so seriously, that you think your option overrides the next person's option, you'd have a group of similarly uber gamers at your beck and call.

Until ZoS update their terms of service and puts you in charge, I'll wear what I want, use whichever tool I want and go where I want. Not happy, then it's you that needs to move on to something else.

Yup! This this and this again. Well said!

pjwb16_ESO · January 2017

Lol, a friend and I did make such snowflake builds on purpose with blood Altar, two bow bars and all this useless *** one could slot. We said we were tank and heal tho we didnt slot any taunt or healing abilities. Was very funny tho id assume a pain for those that carried us through

danno8 · January 2017

I just solo'ed the Veteran version of Iceheart today on my heavy armor magplar.

Took about 9 minutes to beat Drodda with around 17k dps all on my own. Would you have a problem grouping with me?

(btw, did you guys know that you can equip a bow and and Magnum Shot yourself through the gates past the pressure plates? Just keep trying different spots.)

Balamoor · January 2017

Silver_Strider wrote: »

I just want to say this

Dungeons aren't hard. The majority can be cleared without +40k dps, granted it migjt not be as quick as you want it but point still stands.

Now, if I see my tank with a 2h and no taunt or a bow healer, you better believe I'm throwing on heavy armor to survive the hoard of enemies I'm going to have to deal with as I proceed to do 70% of the DPS that dungeon run but I've honestly stopped caring at this point.

People will play how they play and while I understand that people want their runs to be quick and flawless, don't expect that on every run. You're just setting yourself up for disappointment.

But but.....ESO is srs biz! I only have four hours a day/ seven days a week to devote to a video game and I have to run them as fast as possible GOGOGOGOGOGOGO!!!!!!

:-/

I once knew a dude who collected model trains he had this huge set up in his basement, where he ran his trains exactly like a real railroad does with time schedules bills of lading etc and that was his choice, but he had an obsessive habit of preaching to everyone else that he knew who also collected model trains that they were somehow posers because they didn''t follow his example.

Just goes to show you there are sanctimonious nutters in every hobby.

Jimbullbee85 · January 2017

I'm a templar blazpler in full heavy armour and 70K health. I do most of the damage in veteran dungeons whist tanking. But ive only been able to that with the support and advice from other players. Every player who goes into a dungeon wants to do the best they can in the role they are playing. I'd ask you OP to help them but your simplistic and dogmatic approach to the game and it's mechanics would be disastrous to the diversity of this fantastic game if everyone had the same attitude as you.

sorn55 · January 2017

I was a sorcerer who wore full heavy armor for a long time. I recently switched to light armor for that character. Though this dps character was the first one I created in ES online.

Maybe you can forgive me.
I understand class mechanics a-lot better than I did when first starting out.

Stovahkiin · January 2017

What's up with all these elitist posts recently? If you people want to queue with certain kinds of players that only run the exact builds you want then join a damn guild (or multiple) that runs this content regularly, it really isn't that hard. If you can't even figure that out then you really need to shut it and stop telling other people how they should make their builds.

Kalinblack · January 2017

Taternater wrote: »

I wear 5 pieces of medium armor and 2 pieces of heavy armor. My gear consists of a mix of viper and red mountain mediums, between the jewelry, weapons, and armor. 5 pieces of each, and then heavy kra'hg shoulders and helmet. I do well in such a set up I think.

no, you think bad.

Cherryblossom · January 2017

Not sure why you have choosen to pick on Heavy armour users, have you even looked at some of the sets? Have you looked at the passives?

I would assume that you haven't, otherwise you would know that there are DPS heavy Armour sets and also passives within heavy armour that increace your damage by improving sustain.

For dungeons, there are many builds that are perfectly viable. I think you are making the mistake of thinking bad players get better if you change their gear!

Kwivur · January 2017

Hand_Bacon · January 2017

The only jerks here are the ones that can only carry one extreme point of view or the other.

Grow up and try and enjoy the activity together. Pretty sure that is still taught in preschools.

ThePonzzz · January 2017

Yeah, I just don't get this mindset. "Conform to my ways while I use this tool that puts me with randoms!"

Balamoor · January 2017

Stovahkiin wrote: »

What's up with all these elitist posts recently? If you people want to queue with certain kinds of players that only run the exact builds you want then join a damn guild (or multiple) that runs this content regularly, it really isn't that hard. If you can't even figure that out then you really need to shut it and stop telling other people how they should make their builds.

It's hipster.

Seriously, it's the usual suspects that spend more time crying on the forum about how ESO is dead/dying or how others should play than they do playing the game. I actually know one of the worst offenders on this forum guy lives down the block from me, he has spent maybe four hours playing the game since launch but he pays 15 bucks a month just to constantly complain about something on the forums.

His theory is if ESO shuts downs the new Elder Scrolls RP will happen faster.

This is why I seldom admit to playing MMo's.

Jimbullbee85 wrote: »

I'm a templar blazpler in full heavy armour and 70K health. I do most of the damage in veteran dungeons whist tanking. But ive only been able to that with the support and advice from other players. Every player who goes into a dungeon wants to do the best they can in the role they are playing. I'd ask you OP to help them but your simplistic and dogmatic approach to the game and it's mechanics would be disastrous to the diversity of this fantastic game if everyone had the same attitude as you.

A-frigging-men JimBullbee. Raid or die WoW tards kill MMo's

Blackbird_V · January 2017

Vipstaakki wrote: »

Dantonian_Rarstiana wrote: »

To the legion of players still queuing for dungeons as DPS in heavy armor...
Please, stop.
Put on some light or medium armor.
You are not a special little snowflake with a unique build.
You just take up space and slow every one else down.
That is all.

@Dantonian_Rarstiana

You just slow everyone down and frustrate with being a squishy little special snowflake.

As a healer, I see a lot of Light armour users that are squishy af. However, since I am not stupid and don't put points in an armour focus (13% 100 points vs. 13% 23ish points in hardy) I don't have that issue of being squishy.

Plus heavy armour looks cool. I sometimes where it on DPS, because I can easily make up for damage and penetration.

srfrogg23 · January 2017

So...two things:

1. Wearing heavy armor is not a "play style", it is a skill line for the tanking role. Wearing heavy armor to dps/heal actually makes it harder for a dps/healing play style.

I would recommend creating a build that supports your play style, or modifying your play style to accommodate your preferred build, but don't ignore the fact that builds and play styles are two different things.

They support each other, but don't conflate them and expect people to say "oh, ok you're ineffective and weighing the group down but you think wearing heavy armor is a 'play style' so that makes 2 hours of wiping in a 20 minute dungeon 'ok'."

Sorry, but anyone who knows that your gear is not a play style isn't going to buy the whole "this is how I play" argument when they know full well that you can use the right kind of gear for your play style, be effective, and avoid screwing them over in the process.

2. Aren't there heavy armor costume sets in the game that make a character LOOK like their wearing heavy armor no matter what they're actually wearing?

If you want the heavy armor look, there is that option, without compromising your effectiveness.

For everyone else though: You might not want to assume that someone is actually using heavy armor just because of how their character looks. It might be a costume item.

Balamoor · January 2017

srfrogg23 wrote: »

So...two things:

1. Wearing heavy armor is not a "play style", it is a skill line for the tanking role. Wearing heavy armor to dps/heal actually makes it harder for a dps/healing play style.

I would recommend creating a build that supports your play style, or modifying your play style to accommodate your preferred build, but don't ignore the fact that builds and play styles are two different things. They support each other, but don't conflate them.

2. Aren't there heavy armor costume sets in the game that make a character LOOK like their wearing heavy armor no matter what they're actually wearing?

You might not want to assume that someone is actually using heavy armor just because of how their character looks. It might be a costume item.

The point that the OP and all the others who chimed in with him missed is (as has been said before) there are DPS heavy Armour sets and also passives within heavy armor that increase your damage by improving sustain. These are viable and I have ran with people who routinely use these with no problems.

The issue here is a lot of people think this is WoW, it isn't. You can mix it up in this game, and honestly none of the dungeons are so grueling that having the build dujour from reddit is the only way to survive.

Tan9oSuccka · January 2017

RazorCaltrops wrote: »

BUT I PAYED FOR IT, I CAN PLAY THE WAY I WANT

Play the way you want for solo questing.

The same does not apply for group content.

Qbiken · January 2017

Expected this to be a PvP thread, was surprised

Stovahkiin · January 2017

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

RazorCaltrops wrote: »

BUT I PAYED FOR IT, I CAN PLAY THE WAY I WANT

Play the way you want for solo questing.

The same does not apply for group content.

People really aren't inclined to change how they play or to take advice when it comes in the form of, "Waah, people don't play exactly how I want them to, so now I'm gonna get angry and try to exclude them from activities until my knight in shining not-heavy-armor comes to save me!!!"

Jimbullbee85 · January 2017

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

RazorCaltrops wrote: »

BUT I PAYED FOR IT, I CAN PLAY THE WAY I WANT

Play the way you want for solo questing.

The same does not apply for group content.

I think you'll find it does apply to group content too. There are no restrictions to character builds or gear whatsoever. No one can tell anyone what to run with in a dungeon or trial only advise.

BigBragg · January 2017

Who else wants to queue for random dungeons in only heavy armor from now on?

AlMcFly · January 2017

Please. DPS is the least of my worries in dungeon finder. Someone queuing as tank, who does not tank in any way, is worse. Far far FAR worse than that are people queuing as healers who either cannot heal, or refuse to heal the group. idgaf about who queued for DPS.