Can we please fix mounts running/stopping constantly?

Phinix1 · January 2017

This has been a thing for literally years.

Every single time you go over a bridge, cross from grass to rock terrain, hit a tiny bump or elevation difference on the ground, your mount loses all forward momentum and you have to speed back up again.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Vaoh · January 2017

I found it is much worse and happens a lot more when the map of Cyrodiil struggles to load on console.

Perhaps it is related to the general weak game performance? Not sure.

Either way it'll probably never be fixed unfortunateIy

Acrolas · January 2017

NERF INERTIA.

Vanthras79 · January 2017

I have noticed this as well. I think this is not only mood breaking, but game breaking as well. Crossing the bridge in Morkul Stronghold is the worst of this IMO. It's just plain painful on a mount to cross that bridge knowing that every bump resets the speed. I usually just take my mount up the ramp that I fathom the orcs use for towing cargo up the hill? That ramp has no bumps that I have noticed.

@ZOS_GinaBruno , @ZOS_KaiSchober , @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Any news or update would be appreciated. Thanks!

Rohamad_Ali · January 2017

Maybe the Cyrodiil road workers union went on strike with the carpenters but you are right . Movement speed seems slower too again on foot .

Aletheion · January 2017

I remember when that stutter, stop and go, movement got introduced with patch 1.6 and it's never been back to smooth riding since.

They have addressed it at least once, (which is why you can just walk/run over the small walls in Belkarth while on your horse now) but I don't recall which patch it was in. After that fix, it's been better than it was with 1.6, but it's still horrible in many places.

I don't know what the movement/ground terrain code is, but it seems like it just needs completely reworked. Creatures do funny things on the ground (like crooked standing/awkwardly walking dreugh), there was (and still is a bit of) an issue with terrain causing gap closers to use resources but not actually move you, issue with drifting along the terrain many yards as if you're sliding down a hill. Those are all post 1.6 issues that have never really been resolved - the biggest and constant pain being the horse movement.

-Aletheion

KochDerDamonen · January 2017

They can't fix it, cause then people would get even more of those chunk loading screens in cyrodiil

Tandor · January 2017

Is this just in Cyrodiil? I can't say I've noticed it anywhere but I don't PvP.

itsfatbass · January 2017

Tandor wrote: »

Is this just in Cyrodiil? I can't say I've noticed it anywhere but I don't PvP.

This def happens everywhere, in and out of Cyrodiil.

Elephant42 · January 2017

I don't know if it's just confirmation bias or not, but my senches don't seem to suffer this anywhere near as badly as my horses do. Those bloody nags will trip over a grain of sand I swear...

Syrani · January 2017

I have noticed this even when my character is not on a mount. I can be walking along and hit a pebble and my character just walks in place. The most frustrating one is the ice platforms on stage 5 of vMA - you run to a platform and your character gets stuck on the edge of the platform and won't go up. Then when you jump to get on, sometimes you just jump vertically in place, like there is an invisible wall that's keeping you from getting up on the platform. The whole time you are taking damage from the water, and there is usually a troll in the process of breaking the platform, and you can't get to it right away. It's very frustrating.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · January 2017

Phinix1 wrote: »

This has been a thing for literally years.

Every single time you go over a bridge, cross from grass to rock terrain, hit a tiny bump or elevation difference on the ground, your mount loses all forward momentum and you have to speed back up again. I know you have to prioritize but really, take some pride in your work people! Plus when selling mounts on the casino has basically become the bulk of your business model, you might actually make sure mounts WORK.

Sorry if it sounds like I am really frustrated with this STILL being a thing, but it's probably because I AM.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Feel free to ignore me if I didn't ask nicely enough, but as a paying customer for 2 years, can we PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PRETTY PLEASE WITH KITTENS AND MEMES get an ETA or even acknowledgement of this already.

*sigh*

The answer would appear to be,

No, no we cant.

Aletheion · January 2017

Elephant42 wrote: »

I don't know if it's just confirmation bias or not, but my senches don't seem to suffer this anywhere near as badly as my horses do. Those bloody nags will trip over a grain of sand I swear...

It's interesting that you mention that because it was worse with the senche's than the other mounts and they specifically had a patch address the senche mount stuttering (patch 2.1).

However, if you go to (for example) the Shatul Wayshrine in Wrothgar and run up the hill to Orsinium, both the horse and senche will constantly slow and speed up. Similarly, going west from that same wayshrine, both horse and senche stutter going across that bridge (and the bulk of the bridges in Wrothgar).

That Wrothgar bridge issue was really bad before the other fix where you wouldn't just slow down, but actually stop.

-Aletheion

bottleofsyrup · January 2017

It got way worse with the TG patch when they messed with collision to stop people from using sloped terrain to negate fall damage. That's also when the whole falling super slowly on the edge of an object or hill bug got worse.

Zaldan · January 2017

pretty sure [snip] have stated they can't reproduce this, so no chance of a fix for a problem they don't believe exists.

[edited for bashing]

skiptomyluau · January 2017

It's a pain when you just want to zip past the overland critters but then you bump a pebble and they all catch up to you and knock you off your horse

Valethar · January 2017

A lot of times, you're running into NPCs and other assets that haven't loaded yet. ZOS can't 'reproduce' it because they aren't stuck with crappy connections to the server like players are. I'd imagine their 'pings' aren't consistently in the triple digits right there in the office, so they don't have to deal with the same garbage we do on a daily basis.

bottleofsyrup · January 2017

Zaldan wrote: »

pretty sure [snip] have stated they can't reproduce this, so no chance of a fix for a problem they don't believe exists.

I think they actually said they noticed the reduced speed, just that it was fine because it "affected everybody equally."

[edited to remove quote]

Phinix1 · January 2017

Valethar wrote: »

A lot of times, you're running into NPCs and other assets that haven't loaded yet. ZOS can't 'reproduce' it because they aren't stuck with crappy connections to the server like players are. I'd imagine their 'pings' aren't consistently in the triple digits right there in the office, so they don't have to deal with the same garbage we do on a daily basis.

That is most definitely NOT the case. My ping never goes above 72ms. Also it isn't a full stop, it is a constant slowing down at every minor terrain change.

It is also not the global speed reduction they acknowledged. That definitely is an issue, but a separate one.

Fodore · January 2017

I just thought my mount had grown old and had arthiritis...

Mojmir · January 2017

Took them forever to even admit it was a bug, will take same amount of time to fix.

DigitalShibby · January 2017

Elephant42 wrote: »

I don't know if it's just confirmation bias or not, but my senches don't seem to suffer this anywhere near as badly as my horses do. Those bloody nags will trip over a grain of sand I swear...

I thought it was just me, but I've noticed the same thing. At first I thought for some reason the senche was faster but then I realized it seemed to not be catching every little terrain difference and slowing as often.

Riggsy · January 2017

irks me too, I spent all that time maxing out speed and running rapids to get across cyro and my mount speed is constantly hindered by this weird stutter stopping.

TequilaFire · January 2017

About 1.6 they nerfed major expedition and of course screwed up character and mount speeds badly on console.
I play both PC and console and my character non sprint movement speed is twice as fast on PC, wasn't that way before the nerf so can't blame it on hardware.
The constant horse slowing down when it hits a pebble is more pronounced on console also.
I vaguely remember a promise they were looking into it but like so many other problems got buried under the rug.
Personally I think they did it on purpose to improve frame rate or more like we don't notice slow frame rate as much. lol

VerboseQuips · January 2017

I agree, this is a very annoying issue. Also, annoying are the jumping mechanics. For example, whe you jump on a sidewalk, if you don't do it in a direction that is perfectly perpendicular to the edge of the sidewalk, you slide laterally in jumping position, apparently retained by this tiny elevation while your character's jump already took him above the elevation. And of course, you land off the sidewalk, so you have to do it again.

And similarly, I already tried several times to jump on a roof in some city to escape guards who (mistakenly, of course) thought I was a thief (I just happened by chance on a lost item that was forgotten in a noble man's pocket), only to be frozen in jumping position and slowly slide on a layer of thin air, unable to move until I finally fell off the rooftop.

These things aren't game-breaking, but they surely can make navigating in some places quite tedious, and become very annoying.

itehache · January 2017

I thought I was the only one having this issue and I even blamed it on my computer

Elijah_Crow · January 2017

This bug was re-introduced with the Thieves Guild DLC in March of 2016 and has not been acknowledged since.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/252056/mount-stop-start-bug-back

I've also tested this extensively, posted videos, etc. Horses are affected more than Senche's. I've actually had to stop riding horses because of this.

Elijah_Crow · January 2017

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Can we just get an acknowledgement that the devs are aware of the issue?

MasterSpatula · January 2017

I don't remember this being a big problem when I left right after the BTP transition, but when I came back around April, it was awful. I pretty much spend all my horse time telling the game, "I'm holding the shift key. Gallop, dammit!"

DMuehlhausen · January 2017

The only way to fix this is to have graphics that look like WoW.

You'll notice in WoW this never happens. That is because there are no stairs, or high edges in WoW. Everything is flat and shaded to look like it has depth.

In games like ESO the wood boards say on a dock are physically there so the the engine has to take that into account and sometimes it doesn't handle it well. So if you want that horse to never have an issue fall back on looks by 10 years. This is why you can essentially run WoW on a potato.

Elijah_Crow · January 2017

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

The only way to fix this is to have graphics that look like WoW.

You'll notice in WoW this never happens. That is because there are no stairs, or high edges in WoW. Everything is flat and shaded to look like it has depth.

In games like ESO the wood boards say on a dock are physically there so the the engine has to take that into account and sometimes it doesn't handle it well. So if you want that horse to never have an issue fall back on looks by 10 years. This is why you can essentially run WoW on a potato.

That's not true as it was fixed once before. Then it was broken again.... So we know it is possible.