danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

are there any crafters out there who know EVERY style?

Yep. I'm one of them. All traits, all styles.

After a while, crafting lost its value for me anyway. With few exceptions, it's Hundings/NMG/TBS, divines and sharpened. Still get the occasional hist bark, every now and again.

What I'd really like to see is a crafter's update (revisiting barely used sets) so that my orders aren't entirely new players with no gold and no idea how to place an order (not their fault at all).

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Also can you craft me Armour Master in Celestial style? I have no idea if I want heavy or medium or what pieces. Do you think it looks nicer than Yokudan? I don't know. What's better for a Templar? Also I have no mats and won't tip. Please drop everything you're doing and accommodate my whim. Oh, I won't actually group with you or meet you in voice chat. Just make everything and send it to my mail. If it gets returned to you in 30 days, just send it back. I'm probably playing Call of Duty.

LoL ! But you're far from the worst.
The worst is...

Random : need crafter
Me : what do you need ?
[snipping 15 minutes ocnversation trying to find out what he wants/needs, and agreeing on a price]
Me : ok I relog on crafter
[snipping on 5 minutes relogging time]
Me : OK I'm back on crafter, please send mats and gold so I can craft
Random : nevermind, found someone else...

Stopnaggin wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

are there any crafters out there who know EVERY style?

Yep. I'm one of them. All traits, all styles.

Close on all traits, but do have all styles.

Well, congratulations. There's only so much, or better said, so little you can do to reduce research time, so all you can do is wait.

People are right to say that research is not "effort" as such, but they tend to underestimate the amount of long-term organization that it requires. Being done with it is truly a relief and a feeling of accomplishment.

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Riejael wrote: »

What exactly is the problem here? A newbie asking questions?
I don't believe chasing away new players is going to be a sustainable solution.

The problem is that crafters, theorycrafters and ingame counsellors are three different things.
Anyone can choose to be one, two or even three of these, but noone HAS to be, and people too often assume that a crafter is :

- ready to help with time, gold or items
- has nothing better to do with his time
- is competent in theorycrafting
- has the patience to explain crafting mechanics such as research processes, traits or bonus items

What makes it worse is that the more people will help newbies for free, the more newbies will expect things to be crafted to them for free, or explained to them for a long time. I'm not saying people who help newbies are in the wrong or shouldn't do it. It's nice that they do it. But it has side effects with some people.

Not everything needs to be explained. Figuring things out in this game is easy - especially crafting. It doesn't take a Mensa IQ to understand. Maybe it needs a bit of time, curiosity and observation.

The question that upsets me most is probably "what mats do I need and how many...?". C'm'on, go to any crafting station and do the math.
Close seconds are "what style looks best ?" and "what class is best ?"...

I still don't see the issue. Newbies are newbies. They've been like that even before video games. If you don't really have a solution, then you really don't have a real problem.

Malamar1229 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Malamar1229 wrote: »

i was selling bristlegut pig codes in chat and got called a scammer.

Not a scammer, but I'm pretty sure ZOS has said you're not allowed to sell game codes for gold.

I specifically asked a green on these forums last year and was told yes this is allowed. you can google search it as I am on mobile right now.

ZOS_DaryaK wrote: »

Mercutio wrote: »

Question @ZOS_GinaBruno : Would it be against the TOS to sell one of these codes for in-game gold?

Yes. You can give the codes away but you may not sell them for in game gold or real money.

In this case, specifically asking about a spare Imperial Edition upgrade key that the OP received via Lootcrate.

The post was 3 days ago, if you're wondering. You can find the thread here.

Riejael wrote: »

You probably get the point.

No. And I think you totally misunderstood what I was meaning to say.

What I mean, with regards to crafting for instance, is that if you craft stuff for newbies all the time for free, for the sake of "helping them", they'll never know what it means to craft, how the game is designed with regards to crafting, how the mats are farmed, are common or rare they are, etc.

None of what you wrote is relevant to what I said.

Malamar1229 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Malamar1229 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Malamar1229 wrote: »

i was selling bristlegut pig codes in chat and got called a scammer.

Not a scammer, but I'm pretty sure ZOS has said you're not allowed to sell game codes for gold.

I specifically asked a green on these forums last year and was told yes this is allowed. you can google search it as I am on mobile right now.

ZOS_DaryaK wrote: »

Mercutio wrote: »

Question @ZOS_GinaBruno : Would it be against the TOS to sell one of these codes for in-game gold?

Yes. You can give the codes away but you may not sell them for in game gold or real money.

In this case, specifically asking about a spare Imperial Edition upgrade key that the OP received via Lootcrate.

The post was 3 days ago, if you're wondering. You can find the thread here.

Thats probably because the game code is non-transferrable whereas pet codes are.

"Provided any in-game content (including pet codes) are not non-transferrable (such as game accounts etc) they *may* be exchanged for in-game resources as any other game content (like crafting materials and non-BOP items)"

Except, as I understand it, this time it was in fact the IE upgrade code, which is "in-game content."

I honestly don't know, just repeating what I read.

Malamar1229 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Malamar1229 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Malamar1229 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Malamar1229 wrote: »

i was selling bristlegut pig codes in chat and got called a scammer.

Not a scammer, but I'm pretty sure ZOS has said you're not allowed to sell game codes for gold.

I specifically asked a green on these forums last year and was told yes this is allowed. you can google search it as I am on mobile right now.

ZOS_DaryaK wrote: »

Mercutio wrote: »

Question @ZOS_GinaBruno : Would it be against the TOS to sell one of these codes for in-game gold?

Yes. You can give the codes away but you may not sell them for in game gold or real money.

In this case, specifically asking about a spare Imperial Edition upgrade key that the OP received via Lootcrate.

The post was 3 days ago, if you're wondering. You can find the thread here.

Thats probably because the game code is non-transferrable whereas pet codes are.

"Provided any in-game content (including pet codes) are not non-transferrable (such as game accounts etc) they *may* be exchanged for in-game resources as any other game content (like crafting materials and non-BOP items)"

Except, as I understand it, this time it was in fact the IE upgrade code, which is "in-game content."

I honestly don't know, just repeating what I read.

well for my sake I hope you are wrong. Selling pig codes for 300-400k is a nice way to earn some gold.

@ZOS_DaryaK posted a clarification on the other thread that actually has me more confused now than I was.

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

are there any crafters out there who know EVERY style?

Yep. I'm one of them. All traits, all styles.

I bow to you.

Also can you craft me Armour Master in Celestial style? I have no idea if I want heavy or medium or what pieces. Do you think it looks nicer than Yokudan? I don't know. What's better for a Templar? Also I have no mats and won't tip. Please drop everything you're doing and accommodate my whim. Oh, I won't actually group with you or meet you in voice chat. Just make everything and send it to my mail. If it gets returned to you in 30 days, just send it back. I'm probably playing Call of Duty.

Riejael wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Riejael wrote: »

You probably get the point.

No. And I think you totally misunderstood what I was meaning to say.

What I mean, with regards to crafting for instance, is that if you craft stuff for newbies all the time for free, for the sake of "helping them", they'll never know what it means to craft, how the game is designed with regards to crafting, how the mats are farmed, are common or rare they are, etc.

None of what you wrote is relevant to what I said.

Now you and I both know that isn't true. You're going on a diversionary tangent.

People clueless about the ease of crafting (or more like people's laziness is more likely, and why I'm calling a falsehood with the statement), has to be a crafter's dream come true. Get some clueless snob who will pay a premium for something that takes a few clicks.

Like I said, if you don't want to make money, don't bother.

And I don't want to hear these excuses about people not wishing to pay. They pay or they don't get gear. Pretty simple. If they go on slandering you, report them. That's against the CoC/EULA/ToS. Once a few warnings go out, word will get around. These clueless noobs aren't -THAT- clueless.

If it were just that easy, pay or don't pay. Maybe you haven't run across those that are clueless, but many of us, myself included have run into quite a few. Are there those that wish to take advantage of others, sure. Are there some that are specific, sure. If a new player comes into the game he has no clue what he's doing, no proper tutorial, no help with class, race and gear choices. Trying to explain that is very daunting at times. When you deal with someone that doesn't know traits from styles, mag from stam and what is best suited for each. What will you charge for that information, or would you try and help the player. Sorry but to some of us it's not as black and white as you make it out to be.

I make stuff for free for some newbies, some newbie guildies, and my friends (most of whom have their own crafters and don't need anything), I avoid advertising services in Zone for all the above reasons.

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Recent Examples:

Me: Gets to crafting station, opens mail. 12 bugloss, 12 wormwood, 6 columbine. WTF am I supposed to make with an uneven number of mats? I dig 6 columbine out of my bag (retail value 6000 gold) and make him 48 potions. "Sent."

Guildie; "Ok."

At no point did he ever say thank you, show a modicum of patience, tip or even think about offering to cover for my columbine.

All doing this did was cost me at least 10k in materials and my time.

You should have CoD him the potions since he skimped on the ingredients.

I've noticed a few people here seem to lump all newbies under the same uneducated/needy/ungrateful umbrella, much like people assume everyone receiving Centrelink benefits are lazy drug dealing wife beating law breaking scum (think Housos).

Just remember, the small number of newbies in zone chat asking for assistance represent probably 1% of the newbie population. Most newbies are too lost, too casual or just simply content with quest rewards to ask for crafted gear. The few who do ask, some of them no doubt have played mmorpgs before, and understand the perks of wearing a set early on in the game.

And there are undoubtedly more good stories than bad regarding newbie gear crafting. So recommending that crafters should not help newbies at all is a bit rude. If your personal experience has caused you to cease helping newbies then that is your choice, but not everyone has those bad experiences, or at least only a very few times.

I remember when I started playing, not all that long ago, and at level 4 I was asking a thousand questions in zone chat about every aspect of the game. The player who was giving answers the most actually offered me a full crafted set + weapon + enchants for every item, and then also mailed me 8000g. He asked whether I had settled on a playstyle, what skills I used, then made recommendations on stat builds and crafted it all for me. It took him a solid 15-20 mins of his own personal time to do this, and he was also tired as it was like 2am for him, bless.

I will forever be grateful for his assistance, even though I did not ask for it. It must have been evident via my questions that I was a tad overwhelmed but I was prepared to do it all at a snails pace and enjoy the game along the way. His name was Clopidogrel, and he added me onto his friends list, but he was US and I am AUS, so we were never online at the same time, and maybe he noticed I am now level 45 and coming along sufficiently, so he has removed me from his friends list.

And his gear lasted me until level 26. By that time I had a solid understanding of how gear/stats/enchants worked in ESO, and I even used every single item he crafted for me for my trait research. When I am max level and have completed all my professions, I shall look out for someone like me who could do with a crafted set, and pay forward the kind gesture.

Long story short, don't knock every newbie player. If you enjoy crafting, then take 60 seconds to assess the person asking for help, and they may very well be a genuine considerate person. Not everyone is a right ***.

Edit: Didn't realise *** was considered a swear word it shows up as stars hahaha