I'm a scammer?

SpiderKnight · December 2016

Someone gets on zone chat tonight and offers 50k for 2 NMG epic daggers. Of course as a crafter I try to pick up any work to make gold. I ask him if he has a crafter..."lolwut?" is his response and then proceeds to call me a scammer and untrustworthy because he found someone to do it cheaper and was baiting chat to see who would scam him. This, added to endless incompetence from people who can't give details on what they want, are the reason I stopped crafting before for other people.

starkerealm · December 2016

Sometimes, you run across someone so stupid...

Taleof2Cities · December 2016

starkerealm wrote: »

Sometimes, you run across someone so stupid...

^This.^

bottleofsyrup · December 2016

Jcorv58 wrote: »

Someone gets on zone chat tonight and offers 50k for 2 NMG epic daggers. Of course as a crafter I try to pick up any work to make gold. I ask him if he has a crafter..."lolwut?" is his response and then proceeds to call me a scammer and untrustworthy because he found someone to do it cheaper and was baiting chat to see who would scam him. This, added to endless incompetence from people who can't give details on what they want, are the reason I stopped crafting before for other people.

One of the main reasons I don't craft for anybody anymore.

DannyLV702 · December 2016

Funny you say this. Someone on area chat was offering 100k for a julianos set. I took the bait and the dude even paid me in advanced lol. Then after that, he said he also needed a torugs pact staff and said' "I also need a torugs pact staff nirnhoned. Is 30k ok?"

I was crapping myself lol. Of course, I denied the 30k and said the 100k was enough lol. God I almost forgot this happened

Edit: he even provided all the mats

JamieAubrey · December 2016

DannyLV702 wrote: »

Funny you say this. Someone on area chat was offering 100k for a julianos set. I took the bait and the dude even paid me in advanced lol. Then after that, he said he also needed a torugs pact staff and said' "I also need a torugs pact staff nirnhoned. Is 30k ok?"

I was crapping myself lol. Of course, I denied the 30k and said the 100k was enough lol. God I almost forgot this happened

Edit: he even provided all the mats

Dayum, I need to start making this set more xD

DRXHarbinger · December 2016

Crafting for business is dead...I had someone yesterday...."any crafters" "what do you need"..."a crafter obviously"....sigh..."but what do you want making"....."an armor set"..... (starting hitting himself in the head) "what set and style"......"tbs"...."ok now what style"....."dro m'artha "...."got whiskers?"...."...no how do I get them"....farm mol or buy them for 5k each..." or I'll just charge 20k for the whole set now"....."why are you charging me?????, I'll relog onto my crafter"

Then I grabbed my necktie and threw it into the AC duct fan with me still attached....even that didn't work.

bottleofsyrup · December 2016

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Crafting for business is dead...I had someone yesterday...."any crafters" "what do you need"..."a crafter obviously"....sigh..."but what do you want making"....."an armor set"..... (starting hitting himself in the head) "what set and style"......"tbs"...."ok now what style"....."dro m'artha "...."got whiskers?"...."...no how do I get them"....farm mol or buy them for 5k each..." or I'll just charge 20k for the whole set now"....."why are you charging me?????, I'll relog onto my crafter"

Then I grabbed my necktie and threw it into the AC duct fan with me still attached....even that didn't work.

I would've found him and beat him in a duel just to vent my frustration with such an idiot. Just...wow.

UrbanMonk · December 2016

The Problem doesn't end here...the next part is more of a nuisance...On zone Chat you'll see a lot of LF Crafter. And then if you dare to ask them what they need, there starts the endless quarry of what might be good on their Archer or Mage Warrior or Attacking healer or so so so more chrs. You'd then have to option either ignore the conversation you just had or go on for next 30 min inquiring about their calls and race and then another 30 teaching them about game because that person started playing less than 2 weeks.

this is getting out of hand...

Betheny · December 2016

Crafting for randoms is the worst.

Enslaved · December 2016

Jcorv58 wrote: »

Someone gets on zone chat tonight and offers 50k for 2 NMG epic daggers. Of course as a crafter I try to pick up any work to make gold. I ask him if he has a crafter..."lolwut?" is his response and then proceeds to call me a scammer and untrustworthy because he found someone to do it cheaper and was baiting chat to see who would scam him. This, added to endless incompetence from people who can't give details on what they want, are the reason I stopped crafting before for other people.

It is not a scam if both sides get to an agreement about a price. You have not violated the TOS in anyway, there is no rule about the prices for services players can provide. That is why I offered to sell bethnik twice spiked ale that I crafted myself for 600 000 gold per drink in zone chat. PPl loled on that but it is no scam. It is my right to sell stuff that I created for a price I see fit, and it is their right not to buy if they find it too expensive. On the other hand I sold maybe 12 recipes for that drink for 200 gold each so far. Again, as a seller, it is my right to set price as high or low as I like. And they did, hence so many sales.
Have I exploited something? Cheated someone?

And if someone would want NMG stuff for 50k, I would be an absolute madman to pass that deal. Golden rings will not buy themselves, lol.

Coatmagic · December 2016

Made the mistake of asking if anyone would trade 4 for 4 gold tempers in zone chat the other day and started a bloody war LOL. I kept quiet and got 3 offers. Don't know wth is wrong with people. Need to mind their own.

starkerealm · December 2016

Coatmagic wrote: »

Made the mistake of asking if anyone would trade 4 for 4 gold tempers in zone chat the other day and started a bloody war LOL. I kept quiet and got 3 offers. Don't know wth is wrong with people. Need to mind their own.

Four Rosin for four Tempers? If so, that was me. I read it backwards, thought you were expecting to get four Tempers for four Rosin, and then pointed out the obvious difference in value. At which point, I can honestly say, "sorry. I derped up."

starkerealm · December 2016

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Crafting for business is dead...I had someone yesterday...."any crafters" "what do you need"..."a crafter obviously"....sigh..."but what do you want making"....."an armor set"..... (starting hitting himself in the head) "what set and style"......"tbs"...."ok now what style"....."dro m'artha "...."got whiskers?"...."...no how do I get them"....farm mol or buy them for 5k each..." or I'll just charge 20k for the whole set now"....."why are you charging me?????, I'll relog onto my crafter"

Then I grabbed my necktie and threw it into the AC duct fan with me still attached....even that didn't work.

Reminds me of the guy in zone looking for a 9 trait the other day. "What set do you want?" "Ashen Grip." FML.

Tasear · December 2016

Crater Price Board

1k for advice up to 15mins
500 for style recommendations
5k for time per station

material cost and profit

Solid_Metal · December 2016

Jcorv58 wrote: »

Someone gets on zone chat tonight and offers 50k for 2 NMG epic daggers. Of course as a crafter I try to pick up any work to make gold. I ask him if he has a crafter..."lolwut?" is his response and then proceeds to call me a scammer and untrustworthy because he found someone to do it cheaper and was baiting chat to see who would scam him. This, added to endless incompetence from people who can't give details on what they want, are the reason I stopped crafting before for other people.

stupid people exist, just remember that lol

anyway, i never really do random crafting except for my guildies or newbies

DurzoBlint13 · December 2016

bottleofsyrup wrote: »

Jcorv58 wrote: »

Someone gets on zone chat tonight and offers 50k for 2 NMG epic daggers. Of course as a crafter I try to pick up any work to make gold. I ask him if he has a crafter..."lolwut?" is his response and then proceeds to call me a scammer and untrustworthy because he found someone to do it cheaper and was baiting chat to see who would scam him. This, added to endless incompetence from people who can't give details on what they want, are the reason I stopped crafting before for other people.

One of the main reasons I don't craft for anybody anymore.

same here. If someone genuinely wants help I will help them but I do not craft things for just anyone anymore. Too many people expect things to be just handed to them....as you can see by the amount of "give me Vigor now" threads out there. They have no Mats at all yet still expect a crafter to make everything CP160 purple or gold for free for them. The whole sense of entitlement some players have drives me crazy sometimes.

Abeille · December 2016

You are a hero for still crafting for people.

I gave up on that a year ago. I still craft for friends but that's it.

What annoys me the most is when people expect me to drop anything I'm doing to go craft their stuff. It might come as a surprise but crafters are people too, and their play time is not less important than the client's.

SolarCat02 · December 2016

This is why I only craft for people in my guild.

I make an exception for consumables before a Trials run, if we had to pick up a random or two to hit 12. I have made a lot of blue food at the cooking fires in the Trials lobbies.

bottleofsyrup · December 2016

Abeille wrote: »

You are a hero for still crafting for people.

I gave up on that a year ago. I still craft for friends but that's it.

What annoys me the most is when people expect me to drop anything I'm doing to go craft their stuff. It might come as a surprise but crafters are people too, and their play time is not less important than the client's.

This would drive me nuts too. They'd even ask while I was in a trial...

Elsonso · December 2016

bottleofsyrup wrote: »

Jcorv58 wrote: »

Someone gets on zone chat tonight and offers 50k for 2 NMG epic daggers. Of course as a crafter I try to pick up any work to make gold. I ask him if he has a crafter..."lolwut?" is his response and then proceeds to call me a scammer and untrustworthy because he found someone to do it cheaper and was baiting chat to see who would scam him. This, added to endless incompetence from people who can't give details on what they want, are the reason I stopped crafting before for other people.

One of the main reasons I don't craft for anybody anymore.

I have been known to make stuff for free, no strings attached, but I tired very quickly of people not even bothering to say "thanks!". My observation is that too many people expect things to be given to them for free.

Robbmrp · December 2016

When I see chats in zone like that I whisper them and tell them the real cost of those to make for me. That usually makes them happy and I make gold on the deal.

Jamini · December 2016

If I'm getting paid to craft something, I'll normally make it a priority.

That said, if I'm making free low-level stuff, it's on my own time.

Prof_Bawbag · December 2016

Anyone using the term "Scammer" deserves to be pitied rather than engaged further with. When someone shouts scammer I either think it's a CoD type player with a gamer tag that resembles xXx180NoScOpZxXx that gets a *** over other trash talking badasses or a kid no older than 12.

Shad0wfire99 · December 2016

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Anyone using the term "Scammer" deserves to be pitied rather than engaged further with. When someone shouts scammer I either think it's a CoD type player with a gamer tag that resembles xXx180NoScOpZxXx that gets a *** over other trash talking badasses or a kid no older than 12.

I find that it's generally some variant of "GeTrEktKiD420" or something similar. They're clowns, and should be treated as such.

Ulfgarde · December 2016

I wouldn't worry about it. I once got called a scammer and was called out in chat when I tried to sell mother's sorrow items for like 30k when they first came out. People are stupid, and they don't even know the definition of "scammer".

If he goes farther like that, I would just report him for Harassment and move on. It's seriously just not worth your time.

KochDerDamonen · December 2016

Zone chat to common english guide, for Crafters.

LF Master Crafter --> I have no idea how crafting in ESO works, but I need some of it done... I think. I might not know that some sets can be crafted and others cannot, how gear levels or traits or enchantments work, or any number of other things.

WTB Mage armor --> Goodness knows if I'm playing a sorcerer or any sort of magicka character, plan to PvE or PvP, what sort of setup I want to run or what my budget is. Prepare to demonstrate your knowledge of the game if you come to fill my commision.
(side note: I've gotten HUGE tips to the order of hundreds of thousands of gold from a few people like this before, well worth the hour+ of work but you never know if it will work out this way.)

LF Crafter [fill in list of sets, styles wanted] --> I may or may not tip but I will at least offer an order you can fulfill in less than an hour. No hair-pulling required, at worst I might want you to use your own materials which I will happily pay for.

LF Crafter [Imperial City set] --> I might think that offering to "escort" you through the imperial city constitutes my tip, it really is just a friendly offer but you can't be blamed for seeing it as a bit conniving or miserly.

(/tell) Hey, I saw your note in the guild. Could you craft some things for me? --> I might be a friendly guildmate looking to make a quick trade or deal, it wouldn't be unreasonable to expect I will offer mats without a tip as a guildy courtesy. OR, I could drop a laundry list of potions, foods, enchantments and armors under the expectation that you will not only make them for me on the cheap or free, but I also expect you drop what you're doing right this second to do it.

EDIT: This is not meant to demonize anyone for their knowledge/language. Crafters will get what I'm talking about

idk · December 2016

George Carlin was a great philosopher.

Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Shad0wfire99 · December 2016

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

George Carlin was a great philosopher.

Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.

This guy gets it.

Zaindari · December 2016

I haven't started crafting for others yet, but this kinda turns me off of it. though I do have to say when I do start crafting for others ill just have to have a set price in stone plus mats, and they can take it or go on down the road. Just like business in real life, if someone offered me an outrageous amount for something I knew wasn't worth it I would feel obligated to let them know the facts and tell them what a fair price would be. If someone else took that price that does not make the a scammer, though they probably wont get repeat customers either.

FortheloveofKrist · December 2016

I posted this a long time ago, but I'll repost it here. I can't craft for anyone anymore. I just mess with people...

Random: Are you Vampire?

Me: No

Random: Can you craft me a Vampire set?

Me: Wait, what? What is a Vampire set?

Random: I need the set that makes you into a vampire.

Me: That's not how it works.

Random: Can you make me a Vampire set or not?

Me: Do you have mats?

Random: I have some Spider eggs.

Me: Great, I have some Flour. Maybe we can make some Vampire cookies. Seriously, what the hell are you talking about?

Random: Hold on, my mom is yelling at me.

Me: Not sure I blame her.

Random: What?

Me: Nothing. Alright, you take it easy

Random: Wait, are you going to make the set?

Me: What, for free?

Random: Yeah. Cmon, man. Don't be a ****. I don't have any gold.

Me: Fine. Gimme a sec.

(3 minutes later)

Me: Accept the trade. It's free.

Random: Okay. So how does this work?...Wait, this is light armor. I use heavy armor.

Me: Look, to be a Vampire you have to wear 7 pieces Soul Shriven light armor. That's what I gave you.

Random: So how does it work?

Me: You need to kill at least one guard to start the Vampire quest.

Random: Okay, cool. Thx.

Me: Have fun.