Is it just me or does anyone else get bad experiances with RP'ing guilds?

vyndral13preub18_ESO · December 2016

Knootewoot wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

RP'ers catch a lot of grief while they are out doing their rp thing. There are lots of people that go out of their way to try and ruin their game time. That's why RP guilds tend to be more selective of who they let in.

Riiight.

RP'ers think they can boss everyone around if someone do something they don't like.

I was once on a thieving guild quest and needed to loot a lootbox in Glenumbra. So I go to the inn to check if it was there and no it hadn't spawn.
At that moment I didn't notice any RP because my chat was set to guildchat and whispers only.
So I start robbing NPC's for loot I could sell. Just doing the thing the game provides me.
I tried to loot the bard, but he spotted me and with that the darn police. So I run around like a chicken without a head trying to escape. When trying to stay out of the anti-stealh circle I killed a few NPC's and one of the undaunted to get at least some loot.
The police lost me and I went upstairs and I robbed the place blind, leaving the NPC's upstairs alone.

Then I noticed I had a few hatetells and threads about ruining someones RP experience and they reported me FOR PLAYING THE GAME.

While they were being a pain, I would also point out this isnt behavior you only see in RPers. Ive gotten hate tells and warning from PVErs when I go into their farming areas. Ive gotten hate tells and threats from PVPers when i mess up organized fights i didnt know about. They were being tools because they were tools. Not because they happen to be playing the game a certain way.

Doctordarkspawn · December 2016

Knootewoot wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

RP'ers catch a lot of grief while they are out doing their rp thing. There are lots of people that go out of their way to try and ruin their game time. That's why RP guilds tend to be more selective of who they let in.

Riiight.

RP'ers think they can boss everyone around if someone do something they don't like.

I was once on a thieving guild quest and needed to loot a lootbox in Glenumbra. So I go to the inn to check if it was there and no it hadn't spawn.
At that moment I didn't notice any RP because my chat was set to guildchat and whispers only.
So I start robbing NPC's for loot I could sell. Just doing the thing the game provides me.
I tried to loot the bard, but he spotted me and with that the darn police. So I run around like a chicken without a head trying to escape. When trying to stay out of the anti-stealh circle I killed a few NPC's and one of the undaunted to get at least some loot.
The police lost me and I went upstairs and I robbed the place blind, leaving the NPC's upstairs alone.

Then I noticed I had a few hatetells and threads about ruining someones RP experience and they reported me FOR PLAYING THE GAME.

Yeah this is by far not the behavior of most Rpers. The only time I'ma report you is if you go out of your way to *** on people.

Nyx2 · December 2016

Knootewoot wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

RP'ers catch a lot of grief while they are out doing their rp thing. There are lots of people that go out of their way to try and ruin their game time. That's why RP guilds tend to be more selective of who they let in.

So I go to the inn to check if it was there and no it hadn't spawn ... So I start robbing NPC's for loot I could sell.

Then I noticed I had a few hatetells and threads about ruining someones RP experience and they reported me FOR PLAYING THE GAME.

Robbing NPCs in a crowded inn, what did you expect to happen? Everyone has the freedom to make stupid choices but then you really shouldn't complain about people being bothered with something so unnecessary like an inept thief who traps himself in the inn. They overreacted but I bet you wasted not one moment putting yourself in their shoes to see how that ruins their experience. No, you're just the innocent casual wanting to play the game, right?

ObsidianMichi · December 2016

Nyx2 wrote: »

Knootewoot wrote: »

So I go to the inn to check if it was there and no it hadn't spawn ... So I start robbing NPC's for loot I could sell.

Then I noticed I had a few hatetells and threads about ruining someones RP experience and they reported me FOR PLAYING THE GAME.

Robbing NPCs in a crowded inn, what did you expect to happen? Everyone has the freedom to make stupid choices but then you really shouldn't complain about people being bothered with something so unnecessary like an inept thief who traps himself in the inn. They overreacted but I bet you wasted not one moment putting yourself in their shoes to see how that ruins their experience. No, you're just the innocent casual wanting to play the game, right?

See, the good MMO roleplayers just incorporate that kind of stuff into their rp. They become two people sitting at a bar trying to have a conversation as hell explodes around them in the background.

What @Knootewood described is normal for this MMO. It's going to happen a lot, if not all the time, depending on which zone you're in. If they can't roll with normal player behavior in an MMO and have a sense of humor about it then they'll have a rough go of it. An MMO is a shared space, unless you're in a zone that isn't frequently trafficked or an instanced area, you have zero guarantees that your rp won't be interrupted by some random. You can't force the world to conform to you or all the surrounding players to be respectful of your space. There are no RP servers in this game and those with RP servers tend to get crashed anyway because they often have large populations that stick around.

The smart RPers who want their own space are out off the beaten path, hanging out in the Riften tavern. Or places that don't get a lot of player traffic and have few quests associated with them. Sentinel is very popular with RPers, for instance, because no one goes there. There are plenty of taverns/inns in tiny towns/quest zones that no one ever visits or sticks around in. If the RPers are in the starter zones or the inn at Wayrest where the zone is highly trafficked and are complaining about someone ruining their time then that's on them.

It is not worth it to have this fight with every player that wanders in and is oblivious, yet there are RPers that get snitty about people disrupting their time and insist that everyone behave by the rules they've carved out for themselves or else it ruins their immersion. They are, however, playing a game within a game. Other players do not have access to their game or the rules of this world they've defined for themselves, and they wouldn't be beholden to it anyway because they didn't sign on for it.

For the sake of their own mental health, some flexibility on the part of the RPers is necessary. If they cannot handle this type of disruption then they should be in a traditional P&P RPG with a game master and in a controlled environment.

Nyx2 · December 2016

ObsidianMichi wrote: »

Nyx2 wrote: »

Knootewoot wrote: »

So I go to the inn to check if it was there and no it hadn't spawn ... So I start robbing NPC's for loot I could sell.

Then I noticed I had a few hatetells and threads about ruining someones RP experience and they reported me FOR PLAYING THE GAME.

Robbing NPCs in a crowded inn, what did you expect to happen? Everyone has the freedom to make stupid choices but then you really shouldn't complain about people being bothered with something so unnecessary like an inept thief who traps himself in the inn. They overreacted but I bet you wasted not one moment putting yourself in their shoes to see how that ruins their experience. No, you're just the innocent casual wanting to play the game, right?

See, the good MMO roleplayers just incorporate that kind of stuff into their rp. They become two people sitting at a bar trying to have a conversation as hell explodes around them in the background.

What @Knootewood described is normal for this MMO. It's going to happen a lot, if not all the time, depending on which zone you're in. If they can't roll with normal player behavior in an MMO and have a sense of humor about it then they'll have a rough go of it. An MMO is a shared space, unless you're in a zone that isn't frequently trafficked or an instanced area, you have zero guarantees that your rp won't be interrupted by some random. You can't force the world to conform to you or all the surrounding players to be respectful of your space. There are no RP servers in this game and those with RP servers tend to get crashed anyway because they often have large populations that stick around.

The smart RPers who want their own space are out off the beaten path, hanging out in the Riften tavern. Or places that don't get a lot of player traffic and have few quests associated with them. Sentinel is very popular with RPers, for instance, because no one goes there. There are plenty of taverns/inns in tiny towns/quest zones that no one ever visits or sticks around in. If the RPers are in the starter zones or the inn at Wayrest where the zone is highly trafficked and are complaining about someone ruining their time then that's on them.

It is not worth it to have this fight with every player that wanders in and is oblivious, yet there are RPers that get snitty about people disrupting their time and insist that everyone behave by the rules they've carved out for themselves or else it ruins their immersion. They are, however, playing a game within a game. Other players do not have access to their game or the rules of this world they've defined for themselves, and they wouldn't be beholden to it anyway because they didn't sign on for it.

For the sake of their own mental health, some flexibility on the part of the RPers is necessary. If they cannot handle this type of disruption then they should be in a traditional P&P RPG with a game master and in a controlled environment.

What he was doing gets a little too unreal and there is nothing really to interact with other than to get out of the inn and go elsewhere. He is the one who got himself trapped in there like a fool. This doesn't even have anything to do with roleplay, you should be able to expect a minimum amount of respect to each other. I would have apologized and If they then continue bothering, he would have something to complain about but certainly not their initial frustration.

They shouldn't freak out and report players just because they do /hammerwall or something but if you keep purposefully disrupting others then that has nothing to do with playing the game. That's just being an a$$hole. Nobody can make demands on how others should behave but that doesn't mean you can't be respectful. And that is something a lot of people lack in this game.

AmberLaTerra · December 2016

Honestly I have never really seen the point of RPing in to much. I mean I am already playing the role of my char simply by playing the game, and I log in to game. When I want to RP I get together with my D&D group, or go to one of them many web sites out there devoted to RP (Though old school V:TM rp is getting harder and harder to find).

I say this as some one who has been a hard core RPer for 30 years.

jircris11 · December 2016

I am speaking from a RPer point of view on this portion. I personally have found a lot of the RP guilds to be filled with kids who honestly do not know the HALF of what it means to RP. Most want to be "the hero" or have all this power (god mode) and no character progression to said point. It remidns me of some of the anime's where hte main hero gets mad then BOOM insta powerful. But that aside i tend to find most "new age" (new generation of RPers) to be focused too much on the sexual aspect of everything from intimacy and beyond. Personally i LOVE romance but i like it to be mixed in to a good story and have meaning not just random meet-n-plows. When most hear the term romance their mind goes to the gutter when in fact romance is much larger then that. it is a story within its self. Anyways back on topic. If you have trouble with RP guilds my advice is to attend some of their events or ask to RP with them for a while before joining. Also attempt to make your character unique, too many have the trouble childhood no parent hook with the dark over tone its a bit sad.

God_flakes · December 2016

I don't belong to any rp guilds but would love to! But I am almost always rp'ing in my mind from the time I log on till the time I log off. Jauriel is my alter ego and a "role".

Korah_Eaglecry · December 2016

Jemcrystal wrote: »

I keep trying to join up with these Role Playing guilds and it's like a practice in utter constipation! Your guilds are to small. Everyone is afraid to talk.

Today I see someone yelling in zone for peeps to join a Dunmer only rpg and I am like yeah that will be some fun! Then I get questioned like I was going thru security at a freakn airport. Then she doesn't like my answers so she says, "You can look at our site: blablabla." Hay, lady, I just quit my 5th guild in the hopes that you would take me in. You didn't say anything about RP'ing rules when you asked in chat if anyone wanted to join a Dunmer Morrowind guild. I swear to god I have had it with you role players. You are rule obsessed control freaks and you are rude to people new to rp'ing. Straight up.

1) You admit you left a guild to join another guild for the RP, then complain they didnt tell you they had RP rules.......Are you sure youve joined RP guilds...or any guilds?
2.) Youre upset that RP guilds are too small but admit youve jumped ship at least 5 times now.....
3.) You expect people to just let you walk into their Roleplaying Guild and not conform to their rules....What exactly do you think RP is?

Honestly I have to say whomever this player was, they were in the right. You seem like the type of player that claims to want to RP but youre the RPer that wants to be a Mary Sue and insert all sorts of things to your character that doesnt line up with the lore or the environment. Youre also likely the type of wanna-be RPer that changes your backstory five times a week and expect others to just accept it when you retell your story.

Heres a novel idea though, make your own RP guild. Stop acting like any RP guild should be blessed to take you in. And lets see how good you are at running a RP guild without rules.....See how long it lasts before your members abandon ship.

starkerealm · December 2016

Lysette wrote: »

And like always, stay far away from people, who are overly pedantic - this will ruin your fun.

Well, I done got owned.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · December 2016

Because PVErs, PVPers, RPers, and all other Pers have an equal amount of jerks.

tansyuduri · December 2016

All I want is some causal RP. Elitism and such kills the vibe and makes people afraid to be creative.
Oh man though, identity disorders in rps cause CRAP

God_flakes · December 2016

tansyuduri wrote: »

All I want is some causal RP. Elitism and such kills the vibe and makes people afraid to be creative.
Oh man though, identity disorders in rps cause CRAP

How do you mean identity disorders?

ObsidianMichi · December 2016

Nyx2 wrote: »

ObsidianMichi wrote: »

Nyx2 wrote: »

Knootewoot wrote: »

So I go to the inn to check if it was there and no it hadn't spawn ... So I start robbing NPC's for loot I could sell.

Then I noticed I had a few hatetells and threads about ruining someones RP experience and they reported me FOR PLAYING THE GAME.

Robbing NPCs in a crowded inn, what did you expect to happen? Everyone has the freedom to make stupid choices but then you really shouldn't complain about people being bothered with something so unnecessary like an inept thief who traps himself in the inn. They overreacted but I bet you wasted not one moment putting yourself in their shoes to see how that ruins their experience. No, you're just the innocent casual wanting to play the game, right?

See, the good MMO roleplayers just incorporate that kind of stuff into their rp. They become two people sitting at a bar trying to have a conversation as hell explodes around them in the background.

What @Knootewood described is normal for this MMO. It's going to happen a lot, if not all the time, depending on which zone you're in. If they can't roll with normal player behavior in an MMO and have a sense of humor about it then they'll have a rough go of it. An MMO is a shared space, unless you're in a zone that isn't frequently trafficked or an instanced area, you have zero guarantees that your rp won't be interrupted by some random. You can't force the world to conform to you or all the surrounding players to be respectful of your space. There are no RP servers in this game and those with RP servers tend to get crashed anyway because they often have large populations that stick around.

The smart RPers who want their own space are out off the beaten path, hanging out in the Riften tavern. Or places that don't get a lot of player traffic and have few quests associated with them. Sentinel is very popular with RPers, for instance, because no one goes there. There are plenty of taverns/inns in tiny towns/quest zones that no one ever visits or sticks around in. If the RPers are in the starter zones or the inn at Wayrest where the zone is highly trafficked and are complaining about someone ruining their time then that's on them.

It is not worth it to have this fight with every player that wanders in and is oblivious, yet there are RPers that get snitty about people disrupting their time and insist that everyone behave by the rules they've carved out for themselves or else it ruins their immersion. They are, however, playing a game within a game. Other players do not have access to their game or the rules of this world they've defined for themselves, and they wouldn't be beholden to it anyway because they didn't sign on for it.

For the sake of their own mental health, some flexibility on the part of the RPers is necessary. If they cannot handle this type of disruption then they should be in a traditional P&P RPG with a game master and in a controlled environment.

What he was doing gets a little too unreal and there is nothing really to interact with other than to get out of the inn and go elsewhere. He is the one who got himself trapped in there like a fool. This doesn't even have anything to do with roleplay, you should be able to expect a minimum amount of respect to each other. I would have apologized and If they then continue bothering, he would have something to complain about but certainly not their initial frustration.

They shouldn't freak out and report players just because they do /hammerwall or something but if you keep purposefully disrupting others then that has nothing to do with playing the game. That's just being an a$$hole. Nobody can make demands on how others should behave but that doesn't mean you can't be respectful. And that is something a lot of people lack in this game.

He said he had his chat turned off and had no idea he was disrupting their game until after the fact. Nowhere in this did he say that they asked politely for him to stop, just that they sent hate tells and then eventually reported him for playing the game in a way that is both supported and designed by the development team.

If he didn't know, he couldn't be purposefully disrespectful as you're implying. If you honestly find a robbery gone wrong "disruptive" (which happens all the time), I don't know what to tell you. All he was trying to do was avoid getting caught and murdering some NPCs along the way. You're assuming intentional disruption when it was accidental and then putting the blame onto @Knootewoot which is unfair to them. However, it is also a common attitude among RPers to assume someone is being intentionally disruptive when it is in fact accidental. Which is why learning to see other players, especially those that are being intentionally disruptive like actual trolls, as either road hazards or RP opportunities is important.

When you are RPing in a public space, disruption is expected. Like I said, the good RPer learns to roll with the punches rather than getting upset at someone else for playing the game a different way. After all, most of the time, they're already asking that the other players ignore their badly written dialogue in the oh so very public Say.

Why do the RPers automatically get priority over the other players? Especially ones just going about their business? Why is the RPers time and needs more valuable than that of the average sneak thief?

The answer is that they aren't.

Both these players paid money to be here. The sneak thief is acting within the rules allowed by the game and was either eventually caught by the guards or made off with his ill-gotten gains, which is built into the systems. The RPers were the ones demanding that he act within a different set of rules not provided by the game and allowing their immersion to be broken by the mayhem happening around them, which says more about the limits of their imagination than the other players rudeness.

TheShadowScout · December 2016

drakhan2002_ESO wrote: »

Try an ERP guild. Things get messy!

Only if you are lucky!

If you are not... you'll find yourself surrounded by people who think "Hey hun, U wanna hav sum fun" is enough roleplay to get an ERP scene...

Aeula wrote: »

Well it could be worse. Back in WoW one guild required female members to engage in erotic roleplay with their leader in order to join.

One of my characters in another game was invited in a group like that. Things got a little wierd when the leader realized he was just a very pretty boy wearing ambiguous clothing...

jircris11 wrote: »

I am speaking from a RPer point of view on this portion. I personally have found a lot of the RP guilds to be filled with kids who honestly do not know the HALF of what it means to RP. Most want to be "the hero" or have all this power (god mode) and no character progression to said point. It remidns me of some of the anime's where hte main hero gets mad then BOOM insta powerful. But that aside i tend to find most "new age" (new generation of RPers) to be focused too much on the sexual aspect of everything from intimacy and beyond. Personally i LOVE romance but i like it to be mixed in to a good story and have meaning not just random meet-n-plows. When most hear the term romance their mind goes to the gutter when in fact romance is much larger then that. it is a story within its self. Anyways back on topic. If you have trouble with RP guilds my advice is to attend some of their events or ask to RP with them for a while before joining. Also attempt to make your character unique, too many have the trouble childhood no parent hook with the dark over tone its a bit sad.

Agreed. Though at least some of the "kids" in RP guilds can learn... learn how playing a not god-moddy character can be just as much fun, learn how a well roleplayed fight can be interesting even if you loose in the end, learn how it can be as much fun to be the rank and file archer in the army as the darn big hero if you roleplay it well, learn how to keep IC and ooC apart for better imersion... some of course, never do, but its up to the more experienced roleplayers to show those who might what good roleplay is supposed to look like, right?

As for ERP aspects... eh. Yeah, some are way to focussed at this, and forget that its best when its part of a larger love & romance story, not just a meaningless cyber scene.

And hey, the orphan story is a classic! Even though somewhat overused, true... if one likes it, best to make it unique by spicing it up with a bit more backstory then "found in a basket before the door of the local thieves guild because whoever put them there got the door number of the divine temple wrong and raised by them" or something like that...

Rastafariel · December 2016

If you are looking for a laid back RP guild, check out Dargon Tears on NA server or pm @Rastafariel in game after 12/30/16.

Knootewoot · December 2016

Nyx2 wrote: »

Knootewoot wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

RP'ers catch a lot of grief while they are out doing their rp thing. There are lots of people that go out of their way to try and ruin their game time. That's why RP guilds tend to be more selective of who they let in.

So I go to the inn to check if it was there and no it hadn't spawn ... So I start robbing NPC's for loot I could sell.

Then I noticed I had a few hatetells and threads about ruining someones RP experience and they reported me FOR PLAYING THE GAME.

Robbing NPCs in a crowded inn, what did you expect to happen? Everyone has the freedom to make stupid choices but then you really shouldn't complain about people being bothered with something so unnecessary like an inept thief who traps himself in the inn. They overreacted but I bet you wasted not one moment putting yourself in their shoes to see how that ruins their experience. No, you're just the innocent casual wanting to play the game, right?

As I said, I did not know anyone was roleplaying in that inn AFTER I got the hatetells. And even if I DID know RP'ers where in there. Is the inn then off limits to rob NPC's or murder them? No of course not. I pay my sub too and I have the right to murder NPC's where I see fit.

And as I said, if I knew there where RP'ers I would have done it with more care because we already know how quick they are stept on their toes if something happenes in the game by other players that does not fit in their little virtual world.

Zyrudin · December 2016

Nyx2 wrote: »

Robbing NPCs in a crowded inn, what did you expect to happen? Everyone has the freedom to make stupid choices but then you really shouldn't complain about people being bothered with something so unnecessary like an inept thief who traps himself in the inn. They overreacted but I bet you wasted not one moment putting yourself in their shoes to see how that ruins their experience. No, you're just the innocent casual wanting to play the game, right?

I mean no disrespect, @Nyx2 , but in ESO there are goals for Legerdemain, Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood - all of these, interestingly, can be integrated into roleplay. I do not know if you have played those DLC's but there are dailies that make you go pickpocket, break into safeboxes and murder (yes, even inside inns).

I can understand certainly if someone is not into that part of the game, but, in reality, pickpocketing, breaking into safeboxes, murdering and, occasionally, evading the law is 100% playing the game anywhere on the map.

You may dislike it, certainly, but you have to at least tolerate other people playing around you and expect people to appear and do things that may look weird.

@ObsidianMichi stated that whatever happens around you in a MMO (because it is a MMO and therefore a "public space") should be integrated into the RP. Blaming someone for doing something he is, by gameplay and even questwise, allowed to do in a public space within the game is simply not acceptable.

I do understand that some people will purposefully try to disrupt RP events. However, these people feed on RP'ers reaction. If the RP'rs integrate the harassment into the RP and make it visible, the disruptors may even join in or laugh a bit and walk away, because they didn't get them upset. Nevertheless, assuming that someone playing the game (might have even been a RP roleplaying a Thief that you didn't know about) around your RP event is disrupting is simply going too far... not to mention the hate tells @Knootewoot claims he got, that is even worse.

Housing is coming, so RP'ers will have safe havens they can control to the "n"th degree and be by themselves, but if you do it in a public space in the game area, do not blame other people for playing, it might just worsen the stereotype, instead of dissolving it.

Bottomline: Being in an inn roleplaying does not entitle RP'rs to peace and quiet, only to the same rules as other players in terms of what is actually, not subjectively, harassment.

starkerealm · December 2016

Zyrudin wrote: »

...but if you do it in a public space in the game area, do not blame other people for playing, it might just worsen the stereotype, instead of dissolving it.

About 30% of my negative feelings towards RPers as a group comes from this. And their desire to commandeer areas, then throw a tantrum if anyone else wanders in.

For example, I was working on a build for a character ages ago. When I went to craft it, in Coldharbour, there were RPers at the crafting station who flipped out and demanded I leave because they were... doing whatever they were doing.

(70% is dealing with RPers who were genuinely horrible people. In case anyone was wondering. My loathing of ERPers who communicate in say or zone is an entirely different issue.)

ObsidianMichi · December 2016

I, personally, will never forgive the ERPers (kinky Furry Khajiit on Non-Khajiit) who were going at in the Vampire's Kiss crafting station while doing their RP in publicly available chats. This included tailkink. It was not pretty.

Nyx2 · December 2016

ObsidianMichi wrote: »

He said he had his chat turned off and had no idea he was disrupting their game until after the fact. Nowhere in this did he say that they asked politely for him to stop, just that they sent hate tells and then eventually reported him for playing the game in a way that is both supported and designed by the development team.

If he didn't know, he couldn't be purposefully disrespectful as you're implying. If you honestly find a robbery gone wrong "disruptive" (which happens all the time), I don't know what to tell you. All he was trying to do was avoid getting caught and murdering some NPCs along the way. You're assuming intentional disruption when it was accidental and then putting the blame onto @Knootewoot which is unfair to them. However, it is also a common attitude among RPers to assume someone is being intentionally disruptive when it is in fact accidental. Which is why learning to see other players, especially those that are being intentionally disruptive like actual trolls, as either road hazards or RP opportunities is important.

Yeah, "he said". Obviously he's going to present it as bias and favourable as possible to his perspective. It doesn't even matter. Just from a gameplay perspective what he did is plain idiotic. You can't escape through doors unless you're a nightblade or really smart about it so to randomly pickpocket NPCs for no reason is unnecessary. Now that mess would usually just be his problem. But it wasn't so I don't see the issue with apologizing for it. I never implied anything like that. I stated facts irrelevant to that specific case.

ObsidianMichi wrote: »

Why do the RPers automatically get priority over the other players? Especially ones just going about their business? Why is the RPers time and needs more valuable than that of the average sneak thief?

The answer is that they aren't.

I already said they overreacted but I have a difficult time to sympathize with someone being so incredibly ignorant to what they are doing gameplaywise and then act like baby jesus. Like they didn't see all this coming a mile away. Murdering every NPC you come across, throwing mudballs at people trying to dye their armor, walking mobs over to others to get them killed is also "supported". That doesn't make it good so that argument is void. Just like doing something accidentally doesn't undo the whole thing. I don't see them purposefully interrupting my game experience so why should I make such a double standard that you just made?

Zyrudin wrote: »

Nyx2 wrote: »

Robbing NPCs in a crowded inn, what did you expect to happen? Everyone has the freedom to make stupid choices but then you really shouldn't complain about people being bothered with something so unnecessary like an inept thief who traps himself in the inn. They overreacted but I bet you wasted not one moment putting yourself in their shoes to see how that ruins their experience. No, you're just the innocent casual wanting to play the game, right?

I mean no disrespect, @Nyx2 , but in ESO there are goals for Legerdemain, Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood - all of these, interestingly, can be integrated into roleplay. I do not know if you have played those DLC's but there are dailies that make you go pickpocket, break into safeboxes and murder (yes, even inside inns).

Except he didn't. He just started to pickpocket NPCs in an inn because he was bored or waited for something. The brotherhood targets are usually secluded enough to not alert anyone and I haven't gotten any contract that is indoors either. Sure, things can go wrong but you can also choose to make everything go wrong with decisions like that. Personally I don't care if people enjoy getting beat up by guards but I can very well see how this can bother others. It's obnoxious.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · December 2016

ObsidianMichi wrote: »

I, personally, will never forgive the ERPers (kinky Furry Khajiit on Non-Khajiit) who were going at in the Vampire's Kiss crafting station while doing their RP in publicly available chats. This included tailkink. It was not pretty.

So where is this crafting station again? So I can avoid it....

Zyrudin · December 2016

Nyx2 wrote: »

Except he didn't. He just started to pickpocket NPCs in an inn because he was bored or waited for something. The brotherhood targets are usually secluded enough to not alert anyone and I haven't gotten any contract that is indoors either. Sure, things can go wrong but you can also choose to make everything go wrong with decisions like that. Personally I don't care if people enjoy getting beat up by guards but I can very well see how this can bother others. It's obnoxious.

I am sorry, @Nyx2 , but in a public in-game space such as an inn, pickpocketing and murdering are as much gameplay as tavern roleplaying is, regardless of how much distressful anyone may find it.

Housing is coming, perhaps as an answer to those concerns by RP'rs, exactly because other people cannot and should not be prevented from playing the game they paid for.

bottleofsyrup · December 2016

Nyx2 wrote: »

ObsidianMichi wrote: »

Why do the RPers automatically get priority over the other players? Especially ones just going about their business? Why is the RPers time and needs more valuable than that of the average sneak thief?

The answer is that they aren't.

[...] throwing mudballs at people trying to dye their armor,[...]

This is actually reportable as it impairs game function.

Edit: More info here: https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/5ix8f0/psa_mud_balls_can_be_considered_harassment/

THEDKEXPERIENCE · December 2016

I'm not even sure RPing guilds even exist. I've run into one ever. I joined it because being involved with a group who worshiped a sacred squirrel was something I couldn't pass up.

All I ever hear in area chat is bros broing about bro stuff, bro. I feel like you RPers have a secret society somewhere that only consists of the most socially awkward players from a game full of socially awkward players.

Riptide · December 2016

RP guilds are the drama kids in high school - some of em grown up. Nothing wrong with that, the folks who dig "immersion" and all, who cosplay, dig acting, etc. I hung around those types a good stretch at different times in my life (art major too, sigh) for the chicks in black fingernail polish, pigtails - and lack of alpha competition

But of course, will be primadonnas. It literally goes with the territory. I think it rather goes without saying that they would be only semi open door. Get creepers and folks who don't take their thing seriously.

Be truly respectful and persistent. By truly respectful I don't mean whiny and dismissive after they don't immediately let you in. I mean make a genuine effort, be polite, take your time. A mature gentleman in other words. Smile to yourself about the primadonnas. Keep your eyes peeled for the pigtails and black fingernails. Wink at em without being creepy. Win.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · December 2016

SantieClaws wrote: »

This one she has never sought to join such a guild.

Why would this one want to pretend to be the elf yes when already existing in the moon blessed state of perfection that is khajiit?

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

You are the greatest RPer in all the world.

Or you're a really eloquent 6 foot cat lady.

Regardless, you rock.

corrosivechains · December 2016

I used to be a long time RPer, from the days of MUDing in enforced RP MUDs, up through MMO's such as WoW and LotRO. The reality is, RP in multiplayer roleplaying games is dead. The genre no longer supports it and has taken a turn to actively discouraging it with things like instanced public areas, removal of server communities, and driving the RP community into fractured and disjointed guilds.

The concept of RP is supposed to be organic, like in real life, where you are taking on the life of this character you've created...and you can't just achieve that sense of a character when your only means of playing it at that level is to join a guild which filters players based on out of character interviews, website resumes, and other such systems to weed out their ideas of undesirable elements. It used to be you'd come across someone, there'd be an indication if you both were RPers such as how you greet eachother in the days of MUDs to popular RP addons in MMO's, you'd engage, and build an organic character relationship, while guilds and clans were more about organizing to do content. That just doesn't exist anymore, and instead of living the life of a character in game, you are now playing a part in some unscripted, ham-fisted play coordinated by generally some egotistical guild leader seeking out sycophants, often in lore-breaking ways despite claiming otherwise...or members playing a game of onesupmanship on who can create the most "unique" Mary Sue.

I miss roleplaying a ton, but the more I engage in what it's devolved into, the less I want anything to do with it

OrphanHelgen · December 2016

The answer is...
Mudcrab

newtinmpls · December 2016

Knootewoot wrote: »

I was once on a thieving guild quest and needed to loot a lootbox in Glenumbra. So I go to the inn to check if it was there and no it hadn't spawn.
At that moment I didn't notice any RP because my chat was set to guildchat and whispers only.
So I start robbing NPC's for loot I could sell. Just doing the thing the game provides me.
I tried to loot the bard, but he spotted me and with that the darn police. So I run around like a chicken without a head trying to escape. When trying to stay out of the anti-stealh circle I killed a few NPC's and one of the undaunted to get at least some loot.
The police lost me and I went upstairs and I robbed the place blind, leaving the NPC's upstairs alone.

Then I noticed I had a few hatetells and threads about ruining someones RP experience and they reported me FOR PLAYING THE GAME.

So they apparently tried to contact/comment to you, couldn't ... and so they got frustrated and angry.

And you are somehow magically surprised at this?

communication is in the game for a reason. Often things go better when people use it.