Is it just me or does anyone else get bad experiances with RP'ing guilds?

Jemcrystal · December 2016

I keep trying to join up with these Role Playing guilds and it's like a practice in utter constipation! Your guilds are to small. Everyone is afraid to talk.

Today I see someone yelling in zone for peeps to join a Dunmer only rpg and I am like yeah that will be some fun! Then I get questioned like I was going thru security at a freakn airport. Then she doesn't like my answers so she says, "You can look at our site: blablabla." Hay, lady, I just quit my 5th guild in the hopes that you would take me in. You didn't say anything about RP'ing rules when you asked in chat if anyone wanted to join a Dunmer Morrowind guild. I swear to god I have had it with you role players. You are rule obsessed control freaks and you are rude to people new to rp'ing. Straight up.

Runs · December 2016

You were surprised that a Dunmer only rp guild recruiter was a control freak and rude?

Maybe she was just in character.

Tryxus · December 2016

A good Dunmer brings honor to his House

Yinmaigao · December 2016

Runs wrote: »

You were surprised that a Dunmer only rp guild recruiter was a control freak and rude?

Maybe she was just in character.

WTB LOL button.

+1

newtinmpls · December 2016

I am a fairly laid-back RPer and have been known (when playing my "always proper" Hisa Ni Caemarie) to chastise people for being naked in public.

I mean really ... being a member of the House of Dibella there IS a time and a place for these things. Along with various appropriate scented oils and candles...

.

LordGavus · December 2016

She had to make sure you aren't a dirty argonian in disguise.

Runs wrote: »

You were surprised that a Dunmer only rp guild recruiter was a control freak and rude?

Maybe she was just in character.

Sounds about right

BlackSparrow · December 2016

Runs wrote: »

You were surprised that a Dunmer only rp guild recruiter was a control freak and rude?

Maybe she was just in character.

Although to be fair, if your recruiters are in character, I'd think it'd make more sense to pick the more personable characters to do the recruiting.

(Then again, it's a Dunmer guild, so maybe she is the most personable character in there... and I say that fondly as an RPer whose main is a Dunmer

)

Resfeber · December 2016

Also hate to say it but sometimes rules are necessary. Even a good, simple guild tends to have to create rules as problem people come around and to keep things consistent. It also helps to have a website to catch people up on the guild, story, scenario, other characters, etc.

TheShadowScout · December 2016

Sadly, sometimes people are... people. And so those guilds who take roleplaying seriously often try to make sure only decent people join who won't make trouble in their guild structure.

I remember my first roleplay guild... there was a test to join, you had to roleplay your way through that one... fun, fun, fun! I kinda miss the couple people I knew in that one... some of them really tried to make the guild fun for everyone!

starkerealm · December 2016

I've had some pretty horrible experiences with RP guilds. Decent people, but the leadership tends to be the ones who go off the rails.

EDIT: Hell, my significant other once got kicked from a guild because she was roleplaying. Seriously. An RP guild in Champions Online.

Judas Helviaryn · December 2016

The problem is that role play in general is very appealing to the more self centered, shallow, and egotistical side of our community. You have all types. Actors, authors, spectators, all with their own reason for role playing, whether that's scratching the control freak itch, masturbating their ego, trying to fit in and have a sense of community and camaraderie. It's a very diverse community, and that causes friction.

I think you pretty much just have to do what you do, be honest about what you want out of the game, and let likeminded people find you.

Good roleplay is a moving target, and it means something different for everyone, but there's always someone else that shares your values.

Rohamad_Ali · December 2016

Lol

Elijah_Crow · December 2016

If you join a guild without an interview process, then you know what you are getting. A guild who will take anyone including trouble makers, drama queens, and the offensive.

I suspect that the interview process is designed to weed out those types. You know, the type who jump guilds every couple weeks, drama queens who run to the forums to complain to everyone when they don't get accepted....

It's perfectly fine for guild leadership to decide you aren't a good fit for their guild and you are probably better off for it, as are they.

Skitttles · December 2016

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

masturbating their ego

Hell ya

Ackwalan · December 2016

RP'ers catch a lot of grief while they are out doing their rp thing. There are lots of people that go out of their way to try and ruin their game time. That's why RP guilds tend to be more selective of who they let in.

Knootewoot · December 2016

Ackwalan wrote: »

RP'ers catch a lot of grief while they are out doing their rp thing. There are lots of people that go out of their way to try and ruin their game time. That's why RP guilds tend to be more selective of who they let in.

Riiight.

RP'ers think they can boss everyone around if someone do something they don't like.

I was once on a thieving guild quest and needed to loot a lootbox in Glenumbra. So I go to the inn to check if it was there and no it hadn't spawn.
At that moment I didn't notice any RP because my chat was set to guildchat and whispers only.
So I start robbing NPC's for loot I could sell. Just doing the thing the game provides me.
I tried to loot the bard, but he spotted me and with that the darn police. So I run around like a chicken without a head trying to escape. When trying to stay out of the anti-stealh circle I killed a few NPC's and one of the undaunted to get at least some loot.
The police lost me and I went upstairs and I robbed the place blind, leaving the NPC's upstairs alone.

Then I noticed I had a few hatetells and threads about ruining someones RP experience and they reported me FOR PLAYING THE GAME.

Taleof2Cities · December 2016

My only bad experience with RP guilds is when they are in Cyrodiil and in my Alliance ...

Gedalya · December 2016

Jemcrystal wrote: »

I keep trying to join up with these Role Playing guilds and it's like a practice in utter constipation! Your guilds are to small. Everyone is afraid to talk.

Today I see someone yelling in zone for peeps to join a Dunmer only rpg and I am like yeah that will be some fun! Then I get questioned like I was going thru security at a freakn airport. Then she doesn't like my answers so she says, "You can look at our site: blablabla." Hay, lady, I just quit my 5th guild in the hopes that you would take me in. You didn't say anything about RP'ing rules when you asked in chat if anyone wanted to join a Dunmer Morrowind guild. I swear to god I have had it with you role players. You are rule obsessed control freaks and you are rude to people new to rp'ing. Straight up.

I've had nothing but good experience in my RP guild. Great people; very relaxed and friendly (and very helpful people).

However as a general note, I never drop a guild unless I have an invite in the slot for another.

Mojmir · December 2016

Knootewoot wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

RP'ers catch a lot of grief while they are out doing their rp thing. There are lots of people that go out of their way to try and ruin their game time. That's why RP guilds tend to be more selective of who they let in.

Riiight.

RP'ers think they can boss everyone around if someone do something they don't like.

I was once on a thieving guild quest and needed to loot a lootbox in Glenumbra. So I go to the inn to check if it was there and no it hadn't spawn.
At that moment I didn't notice any RP because my chat was set to guildchat and whispers only.
So I start robbing NPC's for loot I could sell. Just doing the thing the game provides me.
I tried to loot the bard, but he spotted me and with that the darn police. So I run around like a chicken without a head trying to escape. When trying to stay out of the anti-stealh circle I killed a few NPC's and one of the undaunted to get at least some loot.
The police lost me and I went upstairs and I robbed the place blind, leaving the NPC's upstairs alone.

Then I noticed I had a few hatetells and threads about ruining someones RP experience and they reported me FOR PLAYING THE GAME.

This so much.

Abeille · December 2016

Nope, not really. Not in this game, at least.

What kind of "rules" were they speaking of, though? Because there is a recurring issue with inexperienced roleplayers when they end up mixing the players with their characters, and then take personal offense or use personal attacks against a player because of something their character said or done. Their rules might have something to do with that, more like a recommendation like "make sure to separate character from player" to avoid unnecessary drama. Or maybe it was just a more general RP etiquette, like "no godmodding"?

You really did not say a lot about said "rules" that would enable us to say if they are within what is normal or if the person recruiting was really, as you say, a "control freak".

In the end, it boils down to it being their guild and therefore their rules. Just like there are endgame and trading guilds with rules, there are RP guilds with rules. I don't know why this would come as a surprise to anyone.

Hateanthem · December 2016

My suggestion for RP'ers who are having problems finding guilds...

Grab a pen, paper, some dice, and friends and do it the old fashioned way. From my experience, RP'ers in MMO's take it way too seriously most of the time, almost to the point you get very little done in game, and they want the RP to be constant.

Just my experience though.

Kram8ion · December 2016

Lol please let us know these rules

ZiRM · December 2016

Just break all the rules and when questioned about it say... I was just RP'ing!!!

Hateanthem · December 2016

ZiRM wrote: »

Just break all the rules and when questioned about it say... I was just RP'ing!!!

I RP as a rebel.

ZiRM · December 2016

Hateanthem wrote: »

ZiRM wrote: »

Just break all the rules and when questioned about it say... I was just RP'ing!!!

I RP as a rebel.

*!@#! yeah!!** (OOC)

Kram8ion · December 2016

Sounds awfully like they are telling you what your Rp to be
I don't get it

Riejael · December 2016

Jemcrystal wrote: »

I keep trying to join up with these Role Playing guilds and it's like a practice in utter constipation! Your guilds are to small. Everyone is afraid to talk.

Today I see someone yelling in zone for peeps to join a Dunmer only rpg and I am like yeah that will be some fun! Then I get questioned like I was going thru security at a freakn airport. Then she doesn't like my answers so she says, "You can look at our site: blablabla." Hay, lady, I just quit my 5th guild in the hopes that you would take me in. You didn't say anything about RP'ing rules when you asked in chat if anyone wanted to join a Dunmer Morrowind guild. I swear to god I have had it with you role players. You are rule obsessed control freaks and you are rude to people new to rp'ing. Straight up.

This is actually unfortunate. Here you have a potential new RPer that obviously is taking the steps to improve their experience and the guild is turning them over to a simple website.

If anyone has RP'd in other games should know that RPers new or otherwise are NOT a commodity to be wasted. Over time in any MMO the RPing population only dwindles as players burn out. Move on to better games, or other reasons. You don't simply snub your nose at a new RPer. They're the lifeblood of the community.

Furthermore there's no reason for tons of rules. Roleplaying is simple, its when you gather players together in a sort of collaboration of story telling, character development, and socializing with other players. All of the excuses given in the thread are just from players who forgot what RPing is. Where it started from.

Roleplaying started with the pen and paper dice rolling games. But it was never about rolling the dice. It was about the friends getting together on a friday night with sodas, snacks, and pizza. This expanded to online play as such friends moved away and couldn't make scheduled meetings and gave a way for players to RP with one another without being in physical locations.

The only rule was to ensure everyone had fun. There were game rules, and I believe ESO covers all of that. The only thing that should be concerning is that everyone, especially the new players feel welcomed and are having fun.

I understand there are certain themes to guilds and that's fine. But going beyond that is outright silly.

As for being selective about who they bring in. How hard is it to talk with someone like a RECRUITER is supposed to? You all want to see the friendliest person in the world? Go speak to an Army or Marine Corps recruiter in the US, you will have an instant friend willing to sit down and talk with you at 4am in the morning if you so desire.

Why shouldn't a guild recruiter be the same way? No its not an easy job. But you do have to have someone who is personable as your recruiters. Your officers likewise have to be friendly and a bit accommodating. When you're talking to someone who is enthusiastic about joining. You need to sit and talk with them. You're advertising for your guild. You're giving yourself either a good or bad impression to everyone else. This Dunmer guild is very lucky the OP didn't name drop their guild. Sure its against the rules, but it would have been seen long before a mod could lock it up.

When you talk to a recruit you can easily filter out the people who want to RP and those who just want to troll. To be quite honest the number of players trolling is quite low. You have to join with one of your 5 slots, and its quite a bit of work. In addition you have to join with your account. 8 characters and 5 guild slots. You gotta be picky.

As for people who troll events. 9 times out of 10 it is a dumb player who sees a congregation of players and hasn't a damn clue to what is going on. It looks weird, its odd, its almost scary to see a large number of players standing around. Like did a GM even happen or somesuch? That's why you'll see them try to get attention they feel left out of 'something' and don't quite understand what that is. Remember alot of players aren't familar with RP.

Hell my first experience with a RPer was weird as hell. It was on one of the normal servers in Everquest about 16 years ago. Prior to this encounter I have seen online roleplay in chat rooms and forums. So I knew what RP was. But I had NEVER had it direct towards me personally.

I was playing a human cleric, about level 10 or so in the Commonlands. Just working on a newbie armor quest. This Paladin comes up and invites me to a group. Well hell yeah.. now I can kick the crap out of some orcs. This crazy mother was RPing a Paladin of Valor and stuff, and got all excited that I was a Cleric of the same diety. I wasn't RPing, and he didn't give a damn that I wasn't. But we went around on a Holy Crusade righting wrongs and killing orcs that day. To put it shortly.

It was a bit of fun, mostly weird, but fun. And I figured out that's probably what they were doing on the RPing server. After a short stint of getting ganked on a PVP server. I decided to roll over on the RP server and well got into my own RP. Probably never really did get as hardcore into it as that Paladin. But damn 16 years later, I still remember that Paladin.

Now imagine if they guy responded negatively to my non-RP responses? I would have thought RPers were elitist jerks. I never would have gotten into it so many years ago. Instead he stayed IC and just made the experience fun and entertaining. It was more like going to medieval time and having the staff stay IC while serving. Its just for the entertaining factor. They don't care if you join in or not. They just want to set the immersion and entertainment factor.

If more RPers were like this, they probably wouldn't be targeted so much.

But a sad fact is many RPers have some issues. I wish I had a link to it. But there was a player in the EQ2 forums about 6-7 years ago who helped with a study on Roleplayers in a MMO environment. They posted some demographics that were interesting. I can't remember the exact numbers, but the percentage of players who RP in some form was around 30%. That's impressive. I would have slotted it at about 10% or less myself. But the reason it may seem lower than it is, is due to players hiding it.

And thats where the sad facts come in. A good chunck of RPers do have some sort of social issues. Whether it be depression, an identity disorder (I'm not going into which ones, don't wish to derail the thread), or some form of anxiety. Its not a majority, but it was a sizeable chunk to be noticeable. And judging by the issues many of my RPing friends had IRL, I could see the study was accurate.

One of the things that bothered me the most was the reasoning for RPers RPing. Many were choosing to play characters that they wish they could be. Now this isn't an issue per say. Everyone wants to make believe they are something they aren't. When we make characters we want to be cool, be badasses, and so forth. There's nothing inherently wrong with it. The sad part is when players use their characters as a mask because they feel its the only way to socialize.

This is part of why RPers seem so guarded. Many of them use their character as a filter. A filter of themselves and a filter coming back to them. They WANT to socialize. They need to. We all do really, being human and all. But they feel as if they need to do it through a character. Nothing too bad about that. But when you fool around with that character in a disrespectful way. You can really hurt someone personally. Its something alot of players have to be on the lookout for.

But at the same time, those players need to understand that not everyone is RPing for the same reasons. And may not understand the reason behind another player's 'mask'. To put it simply.. most RP drama is derived from a misunderstanding. Of course.. isn't all drama that way?

Basically what needs to happen, is exactly what I said in the beginning. Realize RPing is meant to be a FUN social activity. If most RPers did that, they wouldn't have nearly as many issues as they have.

Besides. Housing is coming out. You'll be able to do private events in private for once. That should be celebrated. Just remember to get out in public once in a while so new RPers and potential new RPers can get motivated, much like I did 16 years ago.

Hopefully this was a bit enlightening for those who read through the whole thing.

Rohamad_Ali · December 2016

I just don't like when RP turns into talking all night and never going on adventures . I can RolePlay a person afraid of going outside in real life . I don't need that in here .

Knootewoot · December 2016

Riejael wrote: »

Jemcrystal wrote: »

I keep trying to join up with these Role Playing guilds and it's like a practice in utter constipation! Your guilds are to small. Everyone is afraid to talk.

Today I see someone yelling in zone for peeps to join a Dunmer only rpg and I am like yeah that will be some fun! Then I get questioned like I was going thru security at a freakn airport. Then she doesn't like my answers so she says, "You can look at our site: blablabla." Hay, lady, I just quit my 5th guild in the hopes that you would take me in. You didn't say anything about RP'ing rules when you asked in chat if anyone wanted to join a Dunmer Morrowind guild. I swear to god I have had it with you role players. You are rule obsessed control freaks and you are rude to people new to rp'ing. Straight up.

This is actually unfortunate. Here you have a potential new RPer that obviously is taking the steps to improve their experience and the guild is turning them over to a simple website.

If anyone has RP'd in other games should know that RPers new or otherwise are NOT a commodity to be wasted. Over time in any MMO the RPing population only dwindles as players burn out. Move on to better games, or other reasons. You don't simply snub your nose at a new RPer. They're the lifeblood of the community.

Furthermore there's no reason for tons of rules. Roleplaying is simple, its when you gather players together in a sort of collaboration of story telling, character development, and socializing with other players. All of the excuses given in the thread are just from players who forgot what RPing is. Where it started from.

Roleplaying started with the pen and paper dice rolling games. But it was never about rolling the dice. It was about the friends getting together on a friday night with sodas, snacks, and pizza. This expanded to online play as such friends moved away and couldn't make scheduled meetings and gave a way for players to RP with one another without being in physical locations.

The only rule was to ensure everyone had fun. There were game rules, and I believe ESO covers all of that. The only thing that should be concerning is that everyone, especially the new players feel welcomed and are having fun.

I understand there are certain themes to guilds and that's fine. But going beyond that is outright silly.

As for being selective about who they bring in. How hard is it to talk with someone like a RECRUITER is supposed to? You all want to see the friendliest person in the world? Go speak to an Army or Marine Corps recruiter in the US, you will have an instant friend willing to sit down and talk with you at 4am in the morning if you so desire.

Why shouldn't a guild recruiter be the same way? No its not an easy job. But you do have to have someone who is personable as your recruiters. Your officers likewise have to be friendly and a bit accommodating. When you're talking to someone who is enthusiastic about joining. You need to sit and talk with them. You're advertising for your guild. You're giving yourself either a good or bad impression to everyone else. This Dunmer guild is very lucky the OP didn't name drop their guild. Sure its against the rules, but it would have been seen long before a mod could lock it up.

When you talk to a recruit you can easily filter out the people who want to RP and those who just want to troll. To be quite honest the number of players trolling is quite low. You have to join with one of your 5 slots, and its quite a bit of work. In addition you have to join with your account. 8 characters and 5 guild slots. You gotta be picky.

As for people who troll events. 9 times out of 10 it is a dumb player who sees a congregation of players and hasn't a damn clue to what is going on. It looks weird, its odd, its almost scary to see a large number of players standing around. Like did a GM even happen or somesuch? That's why you'll see them try to get attention they feel left out of 'something' and don't quite understand what that is. Remember alot of players aren't familar with RP.

Hell my first experience with a RPer was weird as hell. It was on one of the normal servers in Everquest about 16 years ago. Prior to this encounter I have seen online roleplay in chat rooms and forums. So I knew what RP was. But I had NEVER had it direct towards me personally.

I was playing a human cleric, about level 10 or so in the Commonlands. Just working on a newbie armor quest. This Paladin comes up and invites me to a group. Well hell yeah.. now I can kick the crap out of some orcs. This crazy mother was RPing a Paladin of Valor and stuff, and got all excited that I was a Cleric of the same diety. I wasn't RPing, and he didn't give a damn that I wasn't. But we went around on a Holy Crusade righting wrongs and killing orcs that day. To put it shortly.

It was a bit of fun, mostly weird, but fun. And I figured out that's probably what they were doing on the RPing server. After a short stint of getting ganked on a PVP server. I decided to roll over on the RP server and well got into my own RP. Probably never really did get as hardcore into it as that Paladin. But damn 16 years later, I still remember that Paladin.

Now imagine if they guy responded negatively to my non-RP responses? I would have thought RPers were elitist jerks. I never would have gotten into it so many years ago. Instead he stayed IC and just made the experience fun and entertaining. It was more like going to medieval time and having the staff stay IC while serving. Its just for the entertaining factor. They don't care if you join in or not. They just want to set the immersion and entertainment factor.

If more RPers were like this, they probably wouldn't be targeted so much.

But a sad fact is many RPers have some issues. I wish I had a link to it. But there was a player in the EQ2 forums about 6-7 years ago who helped with a study on Roleplayers in a MMO environment. They posted some demographics that were interesting. I can't remember the exact numbers, but the percentage of players who RP in some form was around 30%. That's impressive. I would have slotted it at about 10% or less myself. But the reason it may seem lower than it is, is due to players hiding it.

And thats where the sad facts come in. A good chunck of RPers do have some sort of social issues. Whether it be depression, an identity disorder (I'm not going into which ones, don't wish to derail the thread), or some form of anxiety. Its not a majority, but it was a sizeable chunk to be noticeable. And judging by the issues many of my RPing friends had IRL, I could see the study was accurate.

One of the things that bothered me the most was the reasoning for RPers RPing. Many were choosing to play characters that they wish they could be. Now this isn't an issue per say. Everyone wants to make believe they are something they aren't. When we make characters we want to be cool, be badasses, and so forth. There's nothing inherently wrong with it. The sad part is when players use their characters as a mask because they feel its the only way to socialize.

This is part of why RPers seem so guarded. Many of them use their character as a filter. A filter of themselves and a filter coming back to them. They WANT to socialize. They need to. We all do really, being human and all. But they feel as if they need to do it through a character. Nothing too bad about that. But when you fool around with that character in a disrespectful way. You can really hurt someone personally. Its something alot of players have to be on the lookout for.

But at the same time, those players need to understand that not everyone is RPing for the same reasons. And may not understand the reason behind another player's 'mask'. To put it simply.. most RP drama is derived from a misunderstanding. Of course.. isn't all drama that way?

Basically what needs to happen, is exactly what I said in the beginning. Realize RPing is meant to be a FUN social activity. If most RPers did that, they wouldn't have nearly as many issues as they have.

Besides. Housing is coming out. You'll be able to do private events in private for once. That should be celebrated. Just remember to get out in public once in a while so new RPers and potential new RPers can get motivated, much like I did 16 years ago.

Hopefully this was a bit enlightening for those who read through the whole thing.

Lots of text and I read it all.

Roleplayers should accept everything happening in the virtual world by other players is part of the roleplay experience. If someone sits on your table and dances naked around he is part of that virtual universe so therefore part of the roleplay experience. In real life that could happen too.

Although I would never intentionally distort RP players by harassing them, it is unavoidable you do something they don't like. For example killing NPC's, dancing naked at the inn, saying stupid stuff in /say.

I have played Starwars Galaxues as a ranger from December 2003 until they pulled the plug. Every player was part of that universe. Yeah sure, there where also roleplayers around, but the fact was everybody was roleplaying. You played your role in that universe. I was a ranger, collecting hides and selling them and I searched Jedi for bounty hunters so I got payed large sums of credit.
I could say I just played the game, but it had impact on other players. Jedi hated me because I gave their locations to the bounty hunters. Crafters loved me as I sold cheap resources.This gave birth to a live and dynamic universe.

Maybe because ESO has less sandbox elements it is harder to see as almost nothing has impact what a player does. But I play a nightblade vampire in the Dark brotherhood. So I kill, steal and overall run around naked.

Abeille · December 2016

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

I just don't like when RP turns into talking all night and never going on adventures . I can RolePlay a person afraid of going outside in real life . I don't need that in here .

"Tavern RP". I'm not a big fan of it either, unless it is with someone my character haven't seen in a long time and they want to catch up. And when that happens, we don't even meet in game for it since there is really no need, we just roleplay through group chat while we go on about our things. Unless someone wants to show off a new armor or dye job :P

It is what I see the most in every MMO, though. People sitting around in Taverns telling their entire backstories for hours. I find that boring. But to each their own, of course.

Rev Rielle · December 2016

It's like anything there's always good and bad. And a lot of the time whether something is good or bad is entirely up to personal preference.

One thing you can be certain of is that there are a lot of different styles of RP. I'm sure there is a guild out there for you.

Good luck with your search, I hope you find it.

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

I just don't like when RP turns into talking all night and never going on adventures . I can RolePlay a person afraid of going outside in real life . I don't need that in here .

I completely agree, it's not my style either.