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Do Monster Helms Drop below CP160?
GrumpyDuckling
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My friend is level 44 and he's wondering if a Monster Helm drop for him will be at level 44 or CP160.
I've never done a dungeon below level 50, so I couldn't provide him with an answer.
Edited by GrumpyDuckling on December 18, 2016 4:14PM I've never done a dungeon below level 50, so I couldn't provide him with an answer.
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✭✭No cp10 only. Needs to be on vet.PC Master Race
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✭✭✭✭Let me rephrase.
He has a level 165 CP Nightblade, but he wants to do the Vet Dungeon with his level 44 Templar. When he uses his level 44 Templar for Veteran level dungeon, will the helmet drop at level 44, or will it drop at CP160?
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✭✭✭I don't think the group can do a Vet dungeon with someone under level 50, the group should auto change to normal.Runs| Orc Nightblade • Chim-el Adabal| Dunmer Templar • M'air the Honest| Khajiit Templar
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✭✭✭And even at CP10, or any CP before 160, you're just teasing yourself with monster sets that you will outgrow and drop... not to mention all of those keys you will waste playing the RNG chest roulette trying to get the sub-CP160 shoulders to match.
The only smart thing to do before you're CP160 is save all those keys until you are 160. That's the time to start getting serious about veteran dungeon runs for the mask and using your keys to get the matching shoulders.1 -
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✭✭✭Can't even run pledges until level 45. Raise the 44 templar up one more and try it then.Main: Drio Azul ~ DC, Redguard, Healer/Magicka Templar ~ NA-PC
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✭✭✭✭✭GrumpyDuckling wrote: »Let me rephrase.
He has a level 165 CP Nightblade, but he wants to do the Vet Dungeon with his level 44 Templar. When he uses his level 44 Templar for Veteran level dungeon, will the helmet drop at level 44, or will it drop at CP160?
He cannot do a vet dungeon on a level 44 character. You can't do them below level 50, that's what makes them vet dungeons instead of normal. It he is in a group and the crown tries to queue or port for a vet dungeon it will give an error message about not all members being eligible. If your friend is crown, the vet toggle won't even appear, and the vet options won't be listed.
To answer your question: yes, monster sets drop below cp160. No, they do not drop in non cp levels.Edited by Reverb on December 18, 2016 4:27PMBattle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you. ~Friedrich Nietzsche2 -
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✭✭✭✭driosketch wrote: »Can't even run pledges until level 45. Raise the 44 templar up one more and try it then.
Hmm, so once we get him to level 45 he might be able to take his level 45 Templar (with 165CP) and get a monster helm to drop? If so, will that helm be level 45 or CP160?
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✭✭✭✭GrumpyDuckling wrote: »Let me rephrase.
He has a level 165 CP Nightblade, but he wants to do the Vet Dungeon with his level 44 Templar. When he uses his level 44 Templar for Veteran level dungeon, will the helmet drop at level 44, or will it drop at CP160?
He cannot do a vet dungeon on a level 44 character. You can't do them below level 50, that's what makes them vet dungeons instead of normal. It he is in a group and the crown tries to queue or port for a vet dungeon it will give an error message about not all members being eligible. If your friend is crown, the vet toggle won't even appear, and the vet options won't be listed.
To answer your question: yes, monster sets drop below cp160. No, they do not drop in non cp levels.
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✭✭✭✭✭driosketch wrote: »Can't even run pledges until level 45. Raise the 44 templar up one more and try it then.
That's irrelevant; it doesn't matter whether it's a pledge or not.- Monster helms can only drop if the dungeon is set to vet mode.
- A character who has not yet reached level 50 cannot enter a vet-mode dungeon. The amount of CP on the account is irrelevant.
So, yes, monster helms can drop below CP160, if the account has not yet earned 160 champion points. However, they do not drop below CP10 (because it's impossible to enter a vet instance if you are not level 50), and once the account has earned 160 CP, it will be impossible to get a helm that is below CP160.Nightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
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✭✭✭GrumpyDuckling wrote: »driosketch wrote: »Can't even run pledges until level 45. Raise the 44 templar up one more and try it then.
Hmm, so once we get him to level 45 he might be able to take his level 45 Templar (with 165CP) and get a monster helm to drop? If so, will that helm be level 45 or CP160?
LOl... in short No... negative.... negatory... never happening...
LEVEL 50 MINIMUM to do any veteran dungeon and the masks ONLY drop in veteran dungeons... whatever CP he also has is irrelevant UNTIL he is 50.0 -
Myyth✭✭✭✭✭I think there are some exceptions to only dropping in vet dungeons.
I got the tremorscale helmet in Volenfell last night.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I think there are some exceptions to only dropping in vet dungeons.
I got the tremorscale helmet in Volenfell last night.
Volenfell has a vet setting, all dungeons do. But you are right, there is a small chance of helms dropping in normal difficulty dungeons. I've twice been in a normal cos training run where someone has gotten a Veli helm. But they still don't drop below cp levels.Edited by Reverb on December 18, 2016 4:52PMBattle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you. ~Friedrich Nietzsche0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭But you are right, there is a small chance of helms dropping in normal difficulty dungeons. I've twice been in a normal cos training run where someone has gotten a Veli helm. But they still don't drop below cp levels.
No, there is zero chance of that happening. Pre-OT, the SotH dungeons (and only the SotH dungeons) had a small chance of dropping them in normal. This was unintended and was fixed in the OT update.Nightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
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✭✭✭✭✭- A character who has not yet reached level 50 cannot enter a vet-mode dungeon. The amount of CP on the account is irrelevant.
As I recall, this was changed, specifically, to address an exploit where people would force a vet dungeon to scale down, so they could get easy achievements.
So, yeah, unless something has broken... which, is possible. This is ESO after all. It shouldn't be possible for your 44 to even get into a Vet instance.
Just get him to level to 50, he'll get 160 drops then anyway. Also, tell him to save his Undaunted invite key until he hits 50. There's no point in getting a sub-50 drop out of those chests.0 -
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yes, and I got tremorscale helm from normal Volenfell, so "zero chance of dropping in normal" is not correct.
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That is no longer possible after Update 12.
yes, and I got tremorscale helm from normal Volenfell, so "zero chance of dropping in normal" is not correct.
Either something happened to you that doesn't happen to anyone else in the game. Or you ran it in vet mode and didn't realize that it was set to vet. One of these two is much more likely than the other.Nightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
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- Halls of Fabrication: 220708 (NA) (Tick-Tock Tormentor #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11, #12)
- Asylum Sanctorium: 114957 (NA) (Immortal Redeemer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10)
- Cloudrest: 131256 (NA) (Gryphon Heart #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Sunspire: 250866 (EU) (Godslayer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Kyne's Aegis: 235841 (EU) (Dawnbringer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8)
Dungeon trifectas:- Mountain God and Leave No Bone Unbroken
- Apex Predator and Pure Lunacy
- Depths Defier and Relentless Raider
- Defanged the Devourer and Nature's Wrath
- In Defiance of Death and No Rest for the Wicked
- Bane of Thorns and True Genius
- Ardent Bibliophile and Subterranean Smasher
- Battlespire's Best and Bastion Breaker
- Zero Regrets and Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy
- Fist of Tava and Invader's Bane
- Curator's Champion (Valinna) and Temporal Tempest
- Unshakeable Fervor and Lighting the Embers
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That is no longer possible after Update 12.
yes, and I got tremorscale helm from normal Volenfell, so "zero chance of dropping in normal" is not correct.
Either something happened to you that doesn't happen to anyone else in the game. Or you ran it in vet mode and didn't realize that it was set to vet. One of these two is much more likely than the other.
Easiest way to know is to look at the "color" of the mask. If it dropped in normal it would be blue, not purple.
But yeah... if it drops on normal right now, that would definitely be a bug.0
