pretzl wrote: »

rosendoichinoveb17_ESO wrote: »

EldritchPenguin wrote: »

Narvuntien wrote: »

I thought dragonmage was all about DoTs and damge over time instead of burst. I would of thought spell critical would be less important for them.

Well, yes, we are almost entirely DoTs, but DoTs can crit as well, which makes having a really high crit quite lucrative. Having 60-70% of our DoT ticks do 50% extra damage is nothing to sneeze at.

Its not 50% extra damage when criting. Crits do 200% damage (which is 100% extra damage) and when you have all buffs for +50% extra critical damage, you actually do 300% of your normal damage when critting. So that is quite OP when you have 85% critical chance. That's why people are keeping their mouth shut when it comes to this build.

Im not sure, Crit damage could as well be 150% of normal damage (instead of 200%). If so, with +50% buffs to critical, you will still do 225% of your normal damage which is still better than all other sets for PvE DPS.

Not really. The problem with Mother's Sorrow is that it requires specific factors in order to be BiS. Those factors are 60% or greater Major Force and 66 points in Elfborn. This just isn't really feasible on a mDK and thus it's not BiS. Sure, it sounds amazing, but I'm relatively certain that you'll have better results with 5 BSW over 5 Mother's Sorrow, depending on what kind of buffs/debuffs your raidgroup will be running.

And to the rest of you, learn to *** read. He didn't ask for PvP BiS, he didn't ask for your sick lightning heavy vMA build. He asked for a PvE build... PvP nor vMA is PvE content, really.

It's not a vma build, I do every pve thing with it, it's just very easy to play and really strong dps. Was just here to help, no need to get fuzzy man. Vma is pve, and if a build can do vma, it usually does good dps as well.

Masel92 wrote: »

pretzl wrote: »

rosendoichinoveb17_ESO wrote: »

EldritchPenguin wrote: »

Narvuntien wrote: »

I thought dragonmage was all about DoTs and damge over time instead of burst. I would of thought spell critical would be less important for them.

Well, yes, we are almost entirely DoTs, but DoTs can crit as well, which makes having a really high crit quite lucrative. Having 60-70% of our DoT ticks do 50% extra damage is nothing to sneeze at.

Its not 50% extra damage when criting. Crits do 200% damage (which is 100% extra damage) and when you have all buffs for +50% extra critical damage, you actually do 300% of your normal damage when critting. So that is quite OP when you have 85% critical chance. That's why people are keeping their mouth shut when it comes to this build.

Im not sure, Crit damage could as well be 150% of normal damage (instead of 200%). If so, with +50% buffs to critical, you will still do 225% of your normal damage which is still better than all other sets for PvE DPS.

Not really. The problem with Mother's Sorrow is that it requires specific factors in order to be BiS. Those factors are 60% or greater Major Force and 66 points in Elfborn. This just isn't really feasible on a mDK and thus it's not BiS. Sure, it sounds amazing, but I'm relatively certain that you'll have better results with 5 BSW over 5 Mother's Sorrow, depending on what kind of buffs/debuffs your raidgroup will be running.

And to the rest of you, learn to *** read. He didn't ask for PvP BiS, he didn't ask for your sick lightning heavy vMA build. He asked for a PvE build... PvP nor vMA is PvE content, really.

It's not a vma build, I do every pve thing with it, it's just very easy to play and really strong dps. Was just here to help, no need to get fuzzy man. Vma is pve, and if a build can do vma, it usually does good dps as well.

keklicious.
vMA is soloplay where you essentially need a more defensively focused build, but of course you can easily run it with a full PvE setup and go for high-tier scores. That still doesn't mean that that same setup you use in vMA is great for PvE. sure you do good DPS but heavy attack lightning staff on a mDK? rofl
I do get fuzzy when people are answering anything BUT what the OP is actually asking for. That's just ***.

Duragon_Darko wrote: »

I'm just being curious, as I am a tank that is looking at DPS. I see alot of Spellweave and Mother's Sorrow, but no one has spoken about Julianos.

Is Julianos outdated?

I personally like that fact that I can make it with all Divines, vs Spellweave or Mother's where you're really at the mercy of the RNG gods. How long did it take to get your Spellweave or Mothers in all Divines?

It's not that it's outdated, there are just better sets. If you're gonna have to craft something for PvE raiding then better to go for Twice-Born Star.
I personally bought my MS and spent 250-300 runs getting my BSW in full divines cause RNG really isn't a friend of mine.

pretzl wrote: »

Masel92 wrote: »

pretzl wrote: »

rosendoichinoveb17_ESO wrote: »

EldritchPenguin wrote: »

Narvuntien wrote: »

I thought dragonmage was all about DoTs and damge over time instead of burst. I would of thought spell critical would be less important for them.

Well, yes, we are almost entirely DoTs, but DoTs can crit as well, which makes having a really high crit quite lucrative. Having 60-70% of our DoT ticks do 50% extra damage is nothing to sneeze at.

Its not 50% extra damage when criting. Crits do 200% damage (which is 100% extra damage) and when you have all buffs for +50% extra critical damage, you actually do 300% of your normal damage when critting. So that is quite OP when you have 85% critical chance. That's why people are keeping their mouth shut when it comes to this build.

Im not sure, Crit damage could as well be 150% of normal damage (instead of 200%). If so, with +50% buffs to critical, you will still do 225% of your normal damage which is still better than all other sets for PvE DPS.

Not really. The problem with Mother's Sorrow is that it requires specific factors in order to be BiS. Those factors are 60% or greater Major Force and 66 points in Elfborn. This just isn't really feasible on a mDK and thus it's not BiS. Sure, it sounds amazing, but I'm relatively certain that you'll have better results with 5 BSW over 5 Mother's Sorrow, depending on what kind of buffs/debuffs your raidgroup will be running.

And to the rest of you, learn to *** read. He didn't ask for PvP BiS, he didn't ask for your sick lightning heavy vMA build. He asked for a PvE build... PvP nor vMA is PvE content, really.

It's not a vma build, I do every pve thing with it, it's just very easy to play and really strong dps. Was just here to help, no need to get fuzzy man. Vma is pve, and if a build can do vma, it usually does good dps as well.

keklicious.
vMA is soloplay where you essentially need a more defensively focused build, but of course you can easily run it with a full PvE setup and go for high-tier scores. That still doesn't mean that that same setup you use in vMA is great for PvE. sure you do good DPS but heavy attack lightning staff on a mDK? rofl
I do get fuzzy when people are answering anything BUT what the OP is actually asking for. That's just ***.

Yes I am sure. It is by far the easiest and most effective build I've ever played. If 35k single target dps with full aoe in four man groups by using three skills and heavies is not enough for you, then I don't know... And still, no need to make fun of my build, just because it's different from your bsw/fire mag dk meta kind of thinking.

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

BSW+ Aether+......illambris....that's right. Use a sharp vma lit staff and blockade and you have the perfect mix for illambris.

How does Illambris + Lightning Staff compare to Grothdarr + Fire Staff?

Masel92 wrote: »

pretzl wrote: »

rosendoichinoveb17_ESO wrote: »

EldritchPenguin wrote: »

Narvuntien wrote: »

I thought dragonmage was all about DoTs and damge over time instead of burst. I would of thought spell critical would be less important for them.

Well, yes, we are almost entirely DoTs, but DoTs can crit as well, which makes having a really high crit quite lucrative. Having 60-70% of our DoT ticks do 50% extra damage is nothing to sneeze at.

Its not 50% extra damage when criting. Crits do 200% damage (which is 100% extra damage) and when you have all buffs for +50% extra critical damage, you actually do 300% of your normal damage when critting. So that is quite OP when you have 85% critical chance. That's why people are keeping their mouth shut when it comes to this build.

Im not sure, Crit damage could as well be 150% of normal damage (instead of 200%). If so, with +50% buffs to critical, you will still do 225% of your normal damage which is still better than all other sets for PvE DPS.

Not really. The problem with Mother's Sorrow is that it requires specific factors in order to be BiS. Those factors are 60% or greater Major Force and 66 points in Elfborn. This just isn't really feasible on a mDK and thus it's not BiS. Sure, it sounds amazing, but I'm relatively certain that you'll have better results with 5 BSW over 5 Mother's Sorrow, depending on what kind of buffs/debuffs your raidgroup will be running.

And to the rest of you, learn to *** read. He didn't ask for PvP BiS, he didn't ask for your sick lightning heavy vMA build. He asked for a PvE build... PvP nor vMA is PvE content, really.

It's not a vma build, I do every pve thing with it, it's just very easy to play and really strong dps. Was just here to help, no need to get fuzzy man. Vma is pve, and if a build can do vma, it usually does good dps as well.

"Good dps" for a magicka DK in PvE starts at 35k+ dps in raids. In full AoE scenarios (for which noone really cares in this game, because every class should do enough AoE dps no matter which set and if legendary or not) my FTC explodes showing 70k+ dps and more, even 100k + is possible for a few large trash groups in PvE (this Zombie Mini Boss, first boss in SC)

Flameheart wrote: »

Masel92 wrote: »

pretzl wrote: »

rosendoichinoveb17_ESO wrote: »

EldritchPenguin wrote: »

Narvuntien wrote: »

I thought dragonmage was all about DoTs and damge over time instead of burst. I would of thought spell critical would be less important for them.

Well, yes, we are almost entirely DoTs, but DoTs can crit as well, which makes having a really high crit quite lucrative. Having 60-70% of our DoT ticks do 50% extra damage is nothing to sneeze at.

Its not 50% extra damage when criting. Crits do 200% damage (which is 100% extra damage) and when you have all buffs for +50% extra critical damage, you actually do 300% of your normal damage when critting. So that is quite OP when you have 85% critical chance. That's why people are keeping their mouth shut when it comes to this build.

Im not sure, Crit damage could as well be 150% of normal damage (instead of 200%). If so, with +50% buffs to critical, you will still do 225% of your normal damage which is still better than all other sets for PvE DPS.

Not really. The problem with Mother's Sorrow is that it requires specific factors in order to be BiS. Those factors are 60% or greater Major Force and 66 points in Elfborn. This just isn't really feasible on a mDK and thus it's not BiS. Sure, it sounds amazing, but I'm relatively certain that you'll have better results with 5 BSW over 5 Mother's Sorrow, depending on what kind of buffs/debuffs your raidgroup will be running.

And to the rest of you, learn to *** read. He didn't ask for PvP BiS, he didn't ask for your sick lightning heavy vMA build. He asked for a PvE build... PvP nor vMA is PvE content, really.

It's not a vma build, I do every pve thing with it, it's just very easy to play and really strong dps. Was just here to help, no need to get fuzzy man. Vma is pve, and if a build can do vma, it usually does good dps as well.

"Good dps" for a magicka DK in PvE starts at 35k+ dps in raids. In full AoE scenarios (for which noone really cares in this game, because every class should do enough AoE dps no matter which set and if legendary or not) my FTC explodes showing 70k+ dps and more, even 100k + is possible for a few large trash groups in PvE (this Zombie Mini Boss, first boss in SC)

If 35 would be the border to good group dps, then my build is definitely above that, especially in raid scenarios. 35k sustained is as far as I get in 4 man content, I've pulled more on bosses such as the warrior in vhrc. The difference in solo play is just that you have to reshield often and can't concentrate on the rotation (which is easily enough). It is capable of bursting down bosses in vma fast enough to skip mechanics, such as the daedroth on final boss. The full aoe is just a nice gimmick to it, as the numbers more than multiply with each add due to the trifocus passive. But that is not the topic of this thread, so let's just leave it at that

Duragon_Darko wrote: »

I'm just being curious, as I am a tank that is looking at DPS. I see alot of Spellweave and Mother's Sorrow, but no one has spoken about Julianos.

Is Julianos outdated?

I personally like that fact that I can make it with all Divines, vs Spellweave or Mother's where you're really at the mercy of the RNG gods. How long did it take to get your Spellweave or Mothers in all Divines?

Not IMO, no. Many of these BiS sets account for an relatively small DPS increase. For example a solid source claims that NMG increases personal DPS over hundings by as little as 2%. BUT, as damage dealers we attempt to perform our role to it's maximum capacity, so...

Duragon_Darko wrote: »

Ok, has anyone tried the Treasure Hunter set?

Sets like Treasure and Rattlecage have a place in PVP where an extra bar or potion slot is highly desireable. They are less useful in PVE because the buffs they grant are easily accessed by slotting certain skills or using potions.

pretzl wrote: »

I personally bought my MS and spent 250-300 runs getting my BSW in full divines cause RNG really isn't a friend of mine.

They have made gearing ridiculous.

Armitas wrote: »

pretzl wrote: »

I personally bought my MS and spent 250-300 runs getting my BSW in full divines cause RNG really isn't a friend of mine.

They have made gearing ridiculous.

nah, my RNG is just absolute aids. I know several people who've gotten their full sets in under 50 runs.

acw37162 wrote: »

Seducer for almost everything.

Burning Spellweave, scathing made, or spinners for tricked out pro groups.

The extra DPS does you no good if you have no juice. Although once you figure a DK out the sustain is ridiculous.

The sustain is amazing thank you. Like no one understands this. I went through VMOL (twins) without using a lot for resources....

EldritchPenguin wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

EldritchPenguin wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

BSW+ Aether+......illambris....that's right. Use a sharp vma lit staff and blockade and you have the perfect mix for illambris.

How does Illambris + Lightning Staff compare to Grothdarr + Fire Staff?

Grothdarr got deconned. Got me killed on vma argonian boss, I was on par for sub 45min run on my magplar. Never touched it since. Illambris is just plain awesome. Put it this way, just from using blockade, eruption and heavy attacks the usual 3 trash adds in vma dissolve instantly. No need to even focus a target. Just aim in a general direction and hold trigger.

Grothdarr is good in its own merits don't get me wrong, but you don't need an inferno, probably better with with a lit staff anyway as it'll proc it quicker on a heavy but depends how you want to play.

Sounds like I'll need to give Ilambris a whirl, especially because I'll need to farm it for my Sorcerer anyway. It should be a little more interesting throwing a bit of lightning in with all that monotonous fire. It looks to me like Ilambris would make Blockade of Lightning far superior to Blockade of Fire, although I have to wonder if it's worth losing the extra damage to Burning enemies, making it better to proc Ilambris through Lightning Staff weaving.

I'll have to mess around with it when I finish all that farming. xP

Don't worry about the burning effect. Embers and eruption do the job perfectly fine. I've never struggled. Plus proc illambris fire with these 2 and you've got another proc for BSW. You don't need to go all out fire for a DK. Plus crem guards in vma have no lightening resistance if you ever go in there. And yes I know this as my staff attacks go up by 2.5k a tick on them exclusively. Same for flame knight and flame atros in there too.

code65536 wrote: »

EldritchPenguin wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

EldritchPenguin wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

BSW+ Aether+......illambris....that's right. Use a sharp vma lit staff and blockade and you have the perfect mix for illambris.

How does Illambris + Lightning Staff compare to Grothdarr + Fire Staff?

Grothdarr got deconned. Got me killed on vma argonian boss, I was on par for sub 45min run on my magplar. Never touched it since. Illambris is just plain awesome. Put it this way, just from using blockade, eruption and heavy attacks the usual 3 trash adds in vma dissolve instantly. No need to even focus a target. Just aim in a general direction and hold trigger.

Grothdarr is good in its own merits don't get me wrong, but you don't need an inferno, probably better with with a lit staff anyway as it'll proc it quicker on a heavy but depends how you want to play.

Sounds like I'll need to give Ilambris a whirl, especially because I'll need to farm it for my Sorcerer anyway. It should be a little more interesting throwing a bit of lightning in with all that monotonous fire. It looks to me like Ilambris would make Blockade of Lightning far superior to Blockade of Fire, although I have to wonder if it's worth losing the extra damage to Burning enemies, making it better to proc Ilambris through Lightning Staff weaving.

I'll have to mess around with it when I finish all that farming. xP

For group PvE, Grothdarr is still better. He hated Grothdarr because it killed a shielder in vMA, and that's fine--most people use different gear setups for vMA than they would for a 12-man vet trial.

Of course. But one thing to bear in mind with the all fire and inferno with a spammable magdks have shite sustain. No magika is no dps. I'm putting out a constant 35k like this once all dots are up and I never run out. Its a pig in sanctum as the magika bomb will kill you but other than its epic.

Horses for courses, depends how you play and how you want to and what works. If you're pulling 35k+ on a magdk for a whole fight then you're doing very well.

Also grothdarr I find a pig in lorkhaj with the twins,sun eaters and Rhakkat. You can't really get too close most of the time and it's wasted. Least this way you can dot up and flee and still carry on.