What 5 piece set is best for my Magica DK?

rosendoichinoveb17_ESO

Hello,

I have a Dragonknight, Dark ELF. I have him build for stamina, but want to switch to Magica. So what 5 piece set would be best for this combination:

Helm & Shoulder: Infernal Guardian
Willpower jewelry (purple, I don't know where the gold ones drop)
Weapon: Malestorm Inferno Destruction Staff - sharpened

From what I researched the "Silks of the Sun" would provide a lot of damage, but I am afraid if I would have low magica and very low magica regen rates.

I will be using it mainly for PvE, and would appreciate your suggestions.

Thank you!

Kutsuu

Burning Spellweave and Sun are popular MDK setups. If you want sustain instead, Lich is hard to beat.

Tryxus

Grothdarr or Skoria for head and shoulders
5 piece main either Burning Spellweave, Mother's Sorrow or Julianos
Aether or Willpower Jewelry

Delimber

My mDK Dark Elf doesn't have any vMA weapons so I use 2W on one bar and a destro staff on the other.

2W as it gives a magic damage bonus of 200ish. I don't use any 2W skills mind you.

I have tried silks of the sun and julianos and infernal guardian with the willpower jewelry.

I have peaked at a 14k crit strike from lava noddle.

rosendoichinoveb17_ESO

Why is Skoria better than Infernal Guardian. On paper Infernal Guardian does more (~3x5k danage vs 1x10k) plus Infernal Guardian guves magica compared to helth as a 1 piece item. Can you please elaborate on that.


And does Silks of the Sun set also increase the fire proc damage of the monster helm sets?

code65536

BSW+Grothdarr

Armitas

It's very unlikely that you will get a Maelstrom sharpened staff in the next 6 months or even this year so I wouldn't add it into your plans. I would try to plan your weapon around a craft or BOE set because even the non VMA staff grind is rough and sharpened is essential. iirc nirn and precise are ~3.2 and ~3.5% tool tip increase and Sharpened is like ~12%. (might be off a point, from memory)

rosendoichinoveb17_ESO

Armitas wrote: »

It's very unlikely that you will get a Maelstrom sharpened staff in the next 6 months or even this year so I wouldn't add it into your plans. I would try to plan your weapon around a craft or BOE set because even the non VMA staff grind is rough and sharpened is essential. iirc nirn and precise are ~3.2 and ~3.5% tool tip increase and Sharpened is like ~12%. (might be off a point, from memory)

I already have the staff, this is one of the main reasons I want to switch over.

Tryxus

rosendoichinoveb17_ESO wrote: »

Why is Skoria better than Infernal Guardian. On paper Infernal Guardian does more (~3x5k danage vs 1x10k) plus Infernal Guardian guves magica compared to helth as a 1 piece item. Can you please elaborate on that.


And does Silks of the Sun set also increase the fire proc damage of the monster helm sets?

Skoria is easier to proc since as a Mag DK, your main offense is all about DoTs.

Grothdarr is a player AoE, meaning it's very useful for a DK who has to bein melee range (Lava whip, Burning Embers, Engulfing Flames,...)

Besides, as a DPSer you don't need any damage shields. Infernal is a great set for vMSA tho

rosendoichinoveb17_ESO

Thank you. Will start farming Burning Spellweave asap

Armitas

rosendoichinoveb17_ESO wrote: »

Thank you. Will start farming Burning Spellweave asap

This is the best way I found to farm the jewelry unless you have some friends who will run it with you and trade you. Whenever I would try and pug run COA1 I would have to tank or dungeon finder would never start and when I did get a group almost everyone was lower than 50. With the chest you can just do it solo whenever you want.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Burning Spell Weave is the new go to for magic DK. Something like 5 BSW, 4 Infall or Moondancer, and 2 Grothdarr is pretty tough to beat. Assuming you are playing in melee, Grothdarr>Skoria, especially if there are ads.

I think Absolute BIS Single target would be with a BSW Staff on the front bar and a moondancer staff on the back bar. If you wear 4 BSW armor pieces and 1 moondancer armor piece and jewelry, you will get the 5th bonus of each set depending on what bar you are on. You can then proc the Moondancer from your back bar, and the BSW from your front bar. My Sorc gets over 5k weapon damage this way, but it is tricky to use. You can also do the same thing but with Infallible Aether and a lightening staff on your back bar. It allows for huge AOE with the 5 piece aether on your back bar, and really good single target on your front with BSW.

I would also not overlook Twice Born Star. Outside of a really good raid (high warhorn uptime) it will certainly be a bit of a DPS loss, but the extra stats (health) are really nice. The DPS loss is pretty negligible. We are currently working on VMOL HM. I can pull a bit better DPS from BSW, but the extra health from TBS is the difference between a one shot and survival. I am okay with a touch less DPS to stay alive.

Stannum

rosendoichinoveb17_ESO wrote: »

Why is Skoria better than Infernal Guardian. On paper Infernal Guardian does more (~3x5k danage vs 1x10k) plus Infernal Guardian guves magica compared to helth as a 1 piece item. Can you please elaborate on that.


And does Silks of the Sun set also increase the fire proc damage of the monster helm sets?

Cause scoria proc on DoTs and IG proc on shields. So if you play DPS role you will not use shields and scoria (or Grothdarr) will be preferable. IG is great for DK healer.

ryanborror

You'll want to wear either 2 grothdarr, or skoria or nerieneth if you don't have it yet, with either 5 spellweave, julianos, tbs, or mothers sorrow. For jewelry go aether, willpower or moondancer.

Infernal guardian might do decent damage but dk rotation is difficult enough without incorporating an avoidable shield cast.

Rohaus

Glad to see that no one has mentioned THE strongest best in slot PvP 5 piece setup... muahahahaha

Immovablestone

Rohaus wrote: »

Glad to see that no one has mentioned THE strongest best in slot PvP 5 piece setup... muahahahaha

Which set is that, Trainee? It's been working great in my setup, but BIS?

Rohaus

Immovablestone wrote: »

Rohaus wrote: »

Glad to see that no one has mentioned THE strongest best in slot PvP 5 piece setup... muahahahaha

Which set is that, Trainee? It's been working great in my setup, but BIS?

You'd shh your fingers if you'd knew what was good for you!

DschiPeunt

rosendoichinoveb17_ESO wrote: »

[...]

I will be using it mainly for PvE, and would appreciate your suggestions.

Thank you!

Rohaus wrote: »

Glad to see that no one has mentioned THE strongest best in slot PvP 5 piece setup... muahahahaha

I know, I know. Reading is hard.

Immovablestone

Rohaus wrote: »

Immovablestone wrote: »

Rohaus wrote: »

Glad to see that no one has mentioned THE strongest best in slot PvP 5 piece setup... muahahahaha

Which set is that, Trainee? It's been working great in my setup, but BIS?

You'd shh your fingers if you'd knew what was good for you!

Can't be BIS or I wouldn't have the brains to use it, I'm usually quite foolish with my builds...

Rohaus

DschiPeunt wrote: »

rosendoichinoveb17_ESO wrote: »

[...]

I will be using it mainly for PvE, and would appreciate your suggestions.

Thank you!

Rohaus wrote: »

Glad to see that no one has mentioned THE strongest best in slot PvP 5 piece setup... muahahahaha

I know, I know. Reading is hard.

Actually, with dual swords, I could easily argue the set I refer to as being best in slot for PvE as well.

oh, and one more thing...

AverageJo3Gam3r

@Rohaus doubtful. I'm on console so can't measure directly, but the PC parses I've seen has light destro weaves as the second or third source of damage. I don't think a little more spell damage and a 5th item set will make up for the massive loss of dps on your light weaves by running DW.

Even if you were running duel swords, trainee wouldn't be BiS. 5pc burning spell weave+5pc twice born star would be.

Delimber

I run 2W on one bar for the close range and Destro on the other bar for long range.

As for BIS...I think I saw 5 Black Rose, 5 Viper and Tremor Scale lol

rosendoichinoveb17_ESO

Ok, after a lot of research I found out what is the optimum DPS set for Magicka DK:
(I hate all of you that were hiding this from other players!)

Weapons:
Inferno Malestorm Staff (sharpened)
Inferno Infalliable Aether Staff (sharpened) - about 70 less spell damage, but its better because you can use enchantments and thus buff your DPS even more.

Jewels:
Amulet - Infalliable Aether (gold)
Ring - Infalliable Aether (gold)
Ring - Infalliable Aether (gold)

now the most important part:

5 pieces of Mother's Sorrow set

Monster sets: Grrothdar, or skornia

With this set you will have ~85% critical chance, +20% critical damage from CP points, and + 12% additional critical damage form Beast Trap (or Stalwart Guard), and + 18.3% additional critical damage form the Shadow birth sign.
(in total 85% chance to do critical that has 50% increased critical damage)

So this is what magicka DK's run for trials, and I don't know what some of you are trying to hide what sets are the most OP (maybe fear of them getting nerfed I suppose).

So I hope this helps some people. I know that most of the items are very had to obtain, but the DPS from all of those combined is insane!

Narvuntien

I thought dragonmage was all about DoTs and damge over time instead of burst. I would of thought spell critical would be less important for them.

The advice I got was Burning Spellweave.

Spinners is fine if you are not looking for extra effects from your armor.

I just went looking at the options
I like the look of martial knowleadge but it is similar to silks of the sun and I have never heard anyone recomend it.

EldritchPenguin

Narvuntien wrote: »

I thought dragonmage was all about DoTs and damge over time instead of burst. I would of thought spell critical would be less important for them.

Well, yes, we are almost entirely DoTs, but DoTs can crit as well, which makes having a really high crit quite lucrative. Having 60-70% of our DoT ticks do 50% extra damage is nothing to sneeze at.

DRXHarbinger

BSW+ Aether+......illambris....that's right. Use a sharp vma lit staff and blockade and you have the perfect mix for illambris. Did vma in 49mins on my magdk using this and worked perfectly fine. Using an inferno and spamming whip is just asking for for death as you'll run out of magika straight away. All you need to proc BSW is eruption and embers. Job done. You'll be pulling off 11k ticks on your heavies alone.

Masel

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

BSW+ Aether+......illambris....that's right. Use a sharp vma lit staff and blockade and you have the perfect mix for illambris. Did vma in 49mins on my magdk using this and worked perfectly fine. Using an inferno and spamming whip is just asking for for death as you'll run out of magika straight away. All you need to proc BSW is eruption and embers. Job done. You'll be pulling off 11k ticks on your heavies alone.

If you want the heavy attack build, use 5 sergeants mail/elegance and aether with vma lightning. Got 37k score vdsa last night with it, incredibly powerful.

Easy mode leftclick vma, full run video here:

https://youtu.be/FjQPiA5XENk

Qbiken

Kutsuu wrote: »

Burning Spellweave and Sun are popular MDK setups. If you want sustain instead, Lich is hard to beat.

For PvP, Desert rose beats Lich 7 days a week. Only problem is to get a decent 5 piece set-up of that set.

Otherwise there are some nice combos out there (all include burning spellweave)
For PvP:
2 grothdar
5 burning spellweave
5 Desert rose/5 Vicios death ----> let that destruction ulti do its work

Qbiken

rosendoichinoveb17_ESO wrote: »

Ok, after a lot of research I found out what is the optimum DPS set for Magicka DK:
(I hate all of you that were hiding this from other players!)

Weapons:
Inferno Malestorm Staff (sharpened)
Inferno Infalliable Aether Staff (sharpened) - about 70 less spell damage, but its better because you can use enchantments and thus buff your DPS even more.

Jewels:
Amulet - Infalliable Aether (gold)
Ring - Infalliable Aether (gold)
Ring - Infalliable Aether (gold)

now the most important part:

5 pieces of Mother's Sorrow set

Monster sets: Grrothdar, or skornia

With this set you will have ~85% critical chance, +20% critical damage from CP points, and + 12% additional critical damage form Beast Trap (or Stalwart Guard), and + 18.3% additional critical damage form the Shadow birth sign.
(in total 85% chance to do critical that has 50% increased critical damage)

So this is what magicka DK's run for trials, and I don't know what some of you are trying to hide what sets are the most OP (maybe fear of them getting nerfed I suppose).

So I hope this helps some people. I know that most of the items are very had to obtain, but the DPS from all of those combined is insane!

For a magDK i would actually swap out Mother´s Sorrow for TBS or BSW, but haven´t tried mother´s sorrow on magDK yet so you´ll never know. Otherwise this setup is well known for those who play magickaDPS, since the gearsetup doesn´t differ that much. Just go to tamrielfoundry and you´ll find a lot fo builds with this setup, so no one is hiding anything, just do the research like you did

rosendoichinoveb17_ESO

EldritchPenguin wrote: »

Narvuntien wrote: »

I thought dragonmage was all about DoTs and damge over time instead of burst. I would of thought spell critical would be less important for them.

Well, yes, we are almost entirely DoTs, but DoTs can crit as well, which makes having a really high crit quite lucrative. Having 60-70% of our DoT ticks do 50% extra damage is nothing to sneeze at.

Its not 50% extra damage when criting. Crits do 200% damage (which is 100% extra damage) and when you have all buffs for +50% extra critical damage, you actually do 300% of your normal damage when critting. So that is quite OP when you have 85% critical chance. That's why people are keeping their mouth shut when it comes to this build.

Im not sure, Crit damage could as well be 150% of normal damage (instead of 200%). If so, with +50% buffs to critical, you will still do 225% of your normal damage which is still better than all other sets for PvE DPS.

pretzl

rosendoichinoveb17_ESO wrote: »

EldritchPenguin wrote: »

Narvuntien wrote: »

I thought dragonmage was all about DoTs and damge over time instead of burst. I would of thought spell critical would be less important for them.

Well, yes, we are almost entirely DoTs, but DoTs can crit as well, which makes having a really high crit quite lucrative. Having 60-70% of our DoT ticks do 50% extra damage is nothing to sneeze at.

Its not 50% extra damage when criting. Crits do 200% damage (which is 100% extra damage) and when you have all buffs for +50% extra critical damage, you actually do 300% of your normal damage when critting. So that is quite OP when you have 85% critical chance. That's why people are keeping their mouth shut when it comes to this build.

Im not sure, Crit damage could as well be 150% of normal damage (instead of 200%). If so, with +50% buffs to critical, you will still do 225% of your normal damage which is still better than all other sets for PvE DPS.

Not really. The problem with Mother's Sorrow is that it requires specific factors in order to be BiS. Those factors are 60% or greater Major Force and 66 points in Elfborn. This just isn't really feasible on a mDK and thus it's not BiS. Sure, it sounds amazing, but I'm relatively certain that you'll have better results with 5 BSW over 5 Mother's Sorrow, depending on what kind of buffs/debuffs your raidgroup will be running.

And to the rest of you, learn to *** read. He didn't ask for PvP BiS, he didn't ask for your sick lightning heavy vMA build. He asked for a PvE build... PvP nor vMA is PvE content, really.