How some people abuse their way to emperor

Beruge · December 2016

It would be good to know if this was an intended feature?

If not what the plans to handle this is.

Sheezabeast · December 2016

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

This has been the case since I can remember. I'd actually like to know if someone can name a player who legitimately took emperorship of one of the most populated campaigns on his/her own merit.

The game has a system in place, the guilds know how it works, and they use it.

I legitimately got Emp in October but it was on Haderus so I guess it doesn't count as a populated campaign *sigh* But I did it the legit way with keep repairing, keeping buff up, fighting, and it was so fun. People would have a lot more fun if they just did things without being skeevy.

Vorcil · December 2016

I once legitimately tried my hardest to get EMP.

I waited until the campaign was about to reset, I stayed online;

I then proceeded to play the game for 40 hours straight, having a 4 hour sleep and playing for another 12 hours.

The next guy was already 1m AP ahead of me.

I gave up at that point; what's the *** point?

Now ZOS are going to reward the *** with housing cosmetics...

Beruge · December 2016

Vorcil wrote: »

I once legitimately tried my hardest to get EMP.

I waited until the campaign was about to reset, I stayed online;

I then proceeded to play the game for 40 hours straight, having a 4 hour sleep and playing for another 12 hours.

The next guy was already 1m AP ahead of me.

I gave up at that point; what's the *** point?

Now ZOS are going to reward the *** with housing cosmetics...

That is just messed up...

S1ipperyJim · December 2016

I am always astonished at the sheer number of players who believe that cheating in a multiplayer online game is perfectly acceptable. ZOS should without a doubt ban any players found doing this.

Karius_Imalthar · December 2016

The players that play pvp the way it was designed (capture keep, defend keep, repair keep, etc) always get the short end of the stick. You end up spending loads of time for miniscule AP rewards. The players that don't care about their alliance's rank, find some way to exploit the system, solo and leech AP, etc are rewarded.

Ghettokid · December 2016

I would like if they could change emperor somehow so people with job/studies/hobbies could also be able to achieve the title. Getting emperor should demand being effective in cyrodiil lately(like 2-5 hours), not only being number 1 on list.

SnubbS · December 2016

Trying for EMP is pointless. I played completely solo last reset, was up 50k AP with one keep left and the entire DC population went for Arrius. I've completely given up on it -- *** emp.

Beruge · December 2016

reapthetempestrwb17_ESO wrote: »

I am always astonished at the sheer number of players who believe that cheating in a multiplayer online game is perfectly acceptable. ZOS should without a doubt ban any players found doing this.

Karius_Imalthar wrote: »

The players that play pvp the way it was designed (capture keep, defend keep, repair keep, etc) always get the short end of the stick. You end up spending loads of time for miniscule AP rewards. The players that don't care about their alliance's rank, find some way to exploit the system, solo and leech AP, etc are rewarded.

Yes, especially since you can get gold rings and necklaces from the golden trader that you can get no other place.

alexkdd99 · December 2016

Beruge wrote: »

Gedalya wrote: »

Beruge wrote: »

If you have been on a empty campaign server before you should have noticed how the emperor is switching.

Beruge wrote: »

Example a red player is standing outside a keep where no one else is, he gets his yellow friends to come - lets say 5 yellows.
He kills 4 of the yellows and leaves 1 alive. thats 4x1.8k AP initially but also 4x1,8k AP in defensive tick.
The yellow proceeds to revivie his friends with soul gems. The next time he kills 4 of them he will get less initial AP, but he will still get a 4x1,8kAP defensive tick.

You mention campaign switching and then switch two an unrelated and theoretical way to abuse the system; have you actually seen this? It is my experience from banter in zone in Cyrodiil, and conversations between guildes, that people throw around the notion of cheating quite a bit without any concrete proof. Often it is, player 'X' is a cheater, simply because player 'X' scores extremely high et al.. I recently Emped on a server after trying a few times since launch; and in reading and listening to all of the accusations of cheating my impression has always been they are unrealistic at best. Outside of "Emperor Flipping" on the older PvP instances, I've seen lots of hear-say. The proposal you make demands a coordinated guild abusing the rules; certainly possible but which guilds do you have in mind? Have you submitted a support ticket with information, even general information to be reviewed by ZOS staff?

Yes i have. I was in a group when it happend.

The red player was away from the fight but in the group. He lacked 40k AP to become emperor and he stayed at chalman where there were no fights and got it in around 10 minutes.

We also watched from a far players do this on a resource. The enemy has a keep, the players takes the resource. His friends run from the keep to the resource to die and he gets a defensive tick. This is method often used in the early stages of the campaign. Especially at night, when there is low population on.

Ummmm This may not be cheating. Quite a few times I have went and took a resource on enemy keep, then a few not so good players just keep trying to kill me and take the resources.

This can happen a ridiculous amount of times before the other player finally realizes he can't kill me.

I'm sure some might abuse it but it can also be legit.

Beruge · December 2016

alexkdd99 wrote: »

Beruge wrote: »

Gedalya wrote: »

Beruge wrote: »

If you have been on a empty campaign server before you should have noticed how the emperor is switching.

Beruge wrote: »

Example a red player is standing outside a keep where no one else is, he gets his yellow friends to come - lets say 5 yellows.
He kills 4 of the yellows and leaves 1 alive. thats 4x1.8k AP initially but also 4x1,8k AP in defensive tick.
The yellow proceeds to revivie his friends with soul gems. The next time he kills 4 of them he will get less initial AP, but he will still get a 4x1,8kAP defensive tick.

You mention campaign switching and then switch two an unrelated and theoretical way to abuse the system; have you actually seen this? It is my experience from banter in zone in Cyrodiil, and conversations between guildes, that people throw around the notion of cheating quite a bit without any concrete proof. Often it is, player 'X' is a cheater, simply because player 'X' scores extremely high et al.. I recently Emped on a server after trying a few times since launch; and in reading and listening to all of the accusations of cheating my impression has always been they are unrealistic at best. Outside of "Emperor Flipping" on the older PvP instances, I've seen lots of hear-say. The proposal you make demands a coordinated guild abusing the rules; certainly possible but which guilds do you have in mind? Have you submitted a support ticket with information, even general information to be reviewed by ZOS staff?

Yes i have. I was in a group when it happend.

The red player was away from the fight but in the group. He lacked 40k AP to become emperor and he stayed at chalman where there were no fights and got it in around 10 minutes.

We also watched from a far players do this on a resource. The enemy has a keep, the players takes the resource. His friends run from the keep to the resource to die and he gets a defensive tick. This is method often used in the early stages of the campaign. Especially at night, when there is low population on.

Ummmm This may not be cheating. Quite a few times I have went and took a resource on enemy keep, then a few not so good players just keep trying to kill me and take the resources.

This can happen a ridiculous amount of times before the other player finally realizes he can't kill me.

I'm sure some might abuse it but it can also be legit.

Yeah it can be legit, except when you see their names and know their red characters and they are on yellows and doing it for hours. This is about actual abuse of the game, not a misunderstanding.

MakoFore · December 2016

I'm fine with them doing it. their still lame and they re going to get their asses kicked by a decent player who sees that former emperor title.

maybe the titles should be amended for each campaign, like haderus emperor, etc. so people will se where u got it.

i mean its not as bad- but there have always been the cp561 players who craft their cp15 character , golden out cp20,30,40 gear at different levels, get meteor, etc and just dominate over a bunch of noobs to their way to emp. but thats war. just like in life- their will always be the manipulators who use war for their own profit. if thats their idea of fun and accomplishment- their welcome to it.

Beruge · December 2016

MakoFore wrote: »

I'm fine with them doing it. their still lame and they re going to get their asses kicked by a decent player who sees that former emperor title.

maybe the titles should be amended for each campaign, like haderus emperor, etc. so people will se where u got it.

i mean its not as bad- but there have always been the cp561 players who craft their cp15 character , golden out cp20,30,40 gear at different levels, get meteor, etc and just dominate over a bunch of noobs to their way to emp. but thats war. just like in life- their will always be the manipulators who use war for their own profit. if thats their idea of fun and accomplishment- their welcome to it.

Well, you notice ofcourse that they should not be emperor by how weak they are. But i still dont think we should find it acceptable.

mb10 · December 2016

Thankfully I got emporer in the 2nd week of release on ps4, doing it solo and 100% legitamately which was killing as many people as I could and having a ton of siege weapons in my inventory at the time lol

Even then it was a dog eat dog race. 7 day campaign and I got emp after a long battle with some of the other guys and what was beautiful was it was all genuine. I finished with 500k ap, I did everything I possibly could to get those keeps and I beat the other guy to it by about 30k ap.

I go back on pvp about a month later to vet campaign and check the leaderboards. People were on over 5 million AP lmao

NBrookus · December 2016

Gedalya wrote: »

Beruge wrote: »

Yes i have. I was in a group when it happend.

The red player was away from the fight but in the group. He lacked 40k AP to become emperor and he stayed at chalman where there were no fights and got it in around 10 minutes.

We also watched from a far players do this on a resource. The enemy has a keep, the players takes the resource. His friends run from the keep to the resource to die and he gets a defensive tick. This is method often used in the early stages of the campaign. Especially at night, when there is low population on.

Well, that certainly isn't encouraging. ZOS does ban people; both temp and perma. If anyone sees behavior like this please report it. I know the canned response we get can be annoying from support but I personally report prohibited behavior when I see it. Usually for me it's seeing derogatory conversations in public chat (I'm not paying to see that).

Problem is, your solution is worse than the problem.

First, a lot of people will misread the situation. People potatoing back to a resource non-stop is not a rare occurrence or resource farms wouldn't exist.

Second, if you don't think the disappointed person in second or third place won't have all his buddies falsely mass report someone they want to get rid of, I have some lovely ocean-front property in Kansas for sale.

I'm sure ZOS has nothing better to do than spend hours reviewing every case of butthurt guild and faction politics.

Hammy01 · December 2016

I just get tired of seeing the same people every campaign millions of AP ahead of everyone else. I personally would like to see AP wiped after the current EMP is dethroned so there is a chance to crown a new emp everytime.

Edit.. I would actually like to see ZOS add a new point system for EMP (call it EP - emp points). Doing things that actually help your faction (keep capture / defense, scroll capture / defense and town capture / defense... Etc) net you more EP points than other things like farming naked players. This system would be a little harder to abuse!

Reco · December 2016

Thanks to OP for sharing this. Now I know why all "Former Emperors" I met where actually mostly unskilled or average players.

This title is dead due to inflation by exploit. It should be removed.

Skinless_Jerk · December 2016

The whole system is flawed .. let the children have their fancy little title which we all know means absolutely nothing hahaha

EnviousStruggle · December 2016

its completely legit right now

EnviousStruggle · December 2016

@Reco and its not an exploit

MakoFore · December 2016

well i consider flawless conquerer, shehai shatterer (all those trial titles, emperor and the grand overlord -warlord titles to be the highest achievements in the game- as well as master angler. its a shame thy hd to manipulate their way to it- but what can we do about it is the question

Enslaved · December 2016

White wabbit wrote: »

BFT88 wrote: »

Kill them or zone it, I don't understand why there's a whole thread on something that you can fix by logging onto another faction character.

Not everyone has that option , all of my toons belong to only one faction ( loyalty is the word I think )

I respect this. Being loyal is something only lowlife ppl make fun of.

TX12001rwb17_ESO · December 2016

Here is an idea

- Make it so you only gain AP from taking recourses and Keeps and make it so when a campaign resets it ACTUALLY resets.

Humphie · December 2016

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Here is an idea

- Make it so you only gain AP from taking recourses and Keeps and make it so when a campaign resets it ACTUALLY resets.

Means that nobody will repair walls/doors anymore. Why defend a keep then? If there is no AP for taking it. No AP from killing a player? Want to stack whole factions in one keep? The lag...:(
Also imagine you worked hard to get emp without exploiting anything and then the campaign resets and you have nothing?

GreenhaloX · December 2016

I'd never have known this existed, since I'm not an avid PvPer. I'm not taking side, and it may seem this method isn't fair or cheating to many. However, if you look at it in a different light, this is human ingenuity at work (rather in life or in game.) When people want something faster and quicker, they will fight a way. I've always been part of an environment where one of our standards is "work smarter, not harder." Again, on the other light/view, this is people finding a way to make something easier and working smarter to achieve something. So, I can't really fault those choosing this easier way to get emperorship. Although, if I was an avid PvPer, I probably would not do it, since I'm the type that usually like to work for or earn that something.

RedRoomGaming · December 2016

I have never heard of this

laksikus · December 2016

MakoFore wrote: »

I'm fine with them doing it. their still lame and they re going to get their asses kicked by a decent player who sees that former emperor title.

maybe the titles should be amended for each campaign, like haderus emperor, etc. so people will se where u got it.

i mean its not as bad- but there have always been the cp561 players who craft their cp15 character , golden out cp20,30,40 gear at different levels, get meteor, etc and just dominate over a bunch of noobs to their way to emp. but thats war. just like in life- their will always be the manipulators who use war for their own profit. if thats their idea of fun and accomplishment- their welcome to it.

As cp561 account you cant have cp 15 chars

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

This has been the case since I can remember. I'd actually like to know if someone can name a player who legitimately took emperorship of one of the most populated campaigns on his/her own merit.

The game has a system in place, the guilds know how it works, and they use it.

Anyone from my guild who had emp in Azura EU. Bridge Fights are better than suiciding on a ress

Junipus · December 2016

Just because it's not fair doesn't mean it's abusing the system.

Cry all you want, it's not against the rules until ZOS changes them.

AzuraKin · December 2016

Junipus wrote: »

AzuraKin wrote: »

Beruge wrote: »

This is getting out of hand and it has to be stopped.

It should be considered abusing the system and is why im taking it up here.

If you have been on a empty campaign server before you should have noticed how the emperor is switching.

And this is the method (i have not done this myself):

Example a red player is standing outside a keep where no one else is, he gets his yellow friends to come - lets say 5 yellows.
He kills 4 of the yellows and leaves 1 alive. thats 4x1.8k AP initially but also 4x1,8k AP in defensive tick.
The yellow proceeds to revivie his friends with soul gems. The next time he kills 4 of them he will get less initial AP, but he will still get a 4x1,8kAP defensive tick.

Now soul gems costs 750AP - meaning he will get 1050ap extra for every kill. So the red player uses his AP from defensive tick and buys soul gems and then proceeds to send the soul gems to his yellow friend who is reviving his friends.

Since the red player is alone in his keep he will get a massive tick bigger than you could get by fighting a fair fight. And to boost it even further he can go to a delve and kill a boss there for the extra AP bonus making his profit go even higher.

When the red player has achieved emperorship, he and his red friends will now go on yellow characters and help yellows take the map and do the same process so they can choose whobecomes the next emperor.

After its done they relog back to reds, the emperor stops playing his character who has emperorship to make it faster for their next guy to get emperership.

And they just repeat this process over and over again.

Something has to be done about this.....

maybe on low pop servers, but i have pvp'd with top end leaderboard players and they dont do that. they are out pvping, taking keeps, repairing walls, fighting zergs, ect. and i can tell you flat out, they are broke.

Skipped over the third sentence there, or possibly didn't even reach that far. A hearty attempt nonetheless.

or you rather not admit that people who get emp dont just sit somewhere leeching ap from friends on other alliances.

Beruge · December 2016

AzuraKin wrote: »

Junipus wrote: »

AzuraKin wrote: »

Beruge wrote: »

This is getting out of hand and it has to be stopped.

It should be considered abusing the system and is why im taking it up here.

If you have been on a empty campaign server before you should have noticed how the emperor is switching.

And this is the method (i have not done this myself):

Example a red player is standing outside a keep where no one else is, he gets his yellow friends to come - lets say 5 yellows.
He kills 4 of the yellows and leaves 1 alive. thats 4x1.8k AP initially but also 4x1,8k AP in defensive tick.
The yellow proceeds to revivie his friends with soul gems. The next time he kills 4 of them he will get less initial AP, but he will still get a 4x1,8kAP defensive tick.

Now soul gems costs 750AP - meaning he will get 1050ap extra for every kill. So the red player uses his AP from defensive tick and buys soul gems and then proceeds to send the soul gems to his yellow friend who is reviving his friends.

Since the red player is alone in his keep he will get a massive tick bigger than you could get by fighting a fair fight. And to boost it even further he can go to a delve and kill a boss there for the extra AP bonus making his profit go even higher.

When the red player has achieved emperorship, he and his red friends will now go on yellow characters and help yellows take the map and do the same process so they can choose whobecomes the next emperor.

After its done they relog back to reds, the emperor stops playing his character who has emperorship to make it faster for their next guy to get emperership.

And they just repeat this process over and over again.

Something has to be done about this.....

maybe on low pop servers, but i have pvp'd with top end leaderboard players and they dont do that. they are out pvping, taking keeps, repairing walls, fighting zergs, ect. and i can tell you flat out, they are broke.

Skipped over the third sentence there, or possibly didn't even reach that far. A hearty attempt nonetheless.

or you rather not admit that people who get emp dont just sit somewhere leeching ap from friends on other alliances.

The thread name clearly states SOME, and the third paragragh clearly state empty campaign. That means there is legit emperors out there, it means its harder if not impossible to do on a full campaign and it means not everyone is doing it. Its already implied.