How some people abuse their way to emperor

Beruge

This is getting out of hand and it has to be stopped.

It should be considered abusing the system and is why im taking it up here.

If you have been on a empty campaign server before you should have noticed how the emperor is switching.

And this is the method (i have not done this myself):

Example a red player is standing outside a keep where no one else is, he gets his yellow friends to come - lets say 5 yellows.
He kills 4 of the yellows and leaves 1 alive. thats 4x1.8k AP initially but also 4x1,8k AP in defensive tick.
The yellow proceeds to revivie his friends with soul gems. The next time he kills 4 of them he will get less initial AP, but he will still get a 4x1,8kAP defensive tick.

Now soul gems costs 750AP - meaning he will get 1050ap extra for every kill. So the red player uses his AP from defensive tick and buys soul gems and then proceeds to send the soul gems to his yellow friend who is reviving his friends.

Since the red player is alone in his keep he will get a massive tick bigger than you could get by fighting a fair fight. And to boost it even further he can go to a delve and kill a boss there for the extra AP bonus making his profit go even higher.

When the red player has achieved emperorship, he and his red friends will now go on yellow characters and help yellows take the map and do the same process so they can choose whobecomes the next emperor.

After its done they relog back to reds, the emperor stops playing his character who has emperorship to make it faster for their next guy to get emperership.

And they just repeat this process over and over again.

Something has to be done about this.....

DRXHarbinger

And? Make a better way of getting it legit on the main campaign. Current system is flawed altogether.

White wabbit

Been going on for ages just to get a silly title , nothing will happen though

BFT88

Kill them or zone it, I don't understand why there's a whole thread on something that you can fix by logging onto another faction character.

yodased

There is significantly faster ways of doing the same thing, and you don't need soul gems

Been happening for years, will still happen.

Rva_Kun

Bads will do ANYTHING for emp. lol just so they can wear that costume and think they're good. LUL

Milvan

This is why I think the title of emperor/former emperor is chessy. My compatriots (brazilians) have been doing it in Haderus for a while. It's really silly, they should make emperor something that really requires effort to get, not some chessy farming.

Norbi

Lol how is this even allowed? It's stat padding... and there should be a rule for it.

kevlarto_ESO

It used to be a lot worse, emp swapping and so many people running around with former emp tags, made the whole emp process a joke, .nothing really special about being emp when it gets exploited the way it does, I think they should remove it, or just make it a title with a bag of phat gold loot or something. It a horrible system and backwards to, lets reward the most dominating faction with an alpha class, yea bright idea, not

With all the faction swapping the whole three faction warfare is pretty much a joke.

stevepdodson_ESO888

White wabbit wrote: »

Been going on for ages just to get a silly title , nothing will happen though

it will be abused even more as soon as housing is release, as you can get a nice Ruby Throne piece of furniture if you are Emp/Former Emp

White wabbit

BFT88 wrote: »

Kill them or zone it, I don't understand why there's a whole thread on something that you can fix by logging onto another faction character.

Not everyone has that option , all of my toons belong to only one faction ( loyalty is the word I think )

DRXHarbinger

Also ask the boosters nicely and they may let you have a go.

Kodrac

Some people care more about titles than game play, or fairness for that matter.

rteezy

White wabbit wrote: »

BFT88 wrote: »

Kill them or zone it, I don't understand why there's a whole thread on something that you can fix by logging onto another faction character.

Not everyone has that option , all of my toons belong to only one faction ( loyalty is the word I think )

did you jsut implied "loyalty" in a video game to a made up "nation/faction"?

lagrue

Milvan wrote: »

This is why I think the title of emperor/former emperor is chessy. My compatriots (brazilians) have been doing it in Haderus for a while. It's really silly, they should make emperor something that really requires effort to get, not some chessy farming.

If done legitimately it is a real challenge that requires effort and teamwork.

The problem is people always find a way to circumvent the proper way of doing things... like getting a friend in another faction to help... it seems so simple a thing, yet it break Emperor all around.

ZOS needs to come and flat out call this what it is - an exploit. Then they need to start handing out bans and suspensions to follow suit - but apparently only gap closers get that treatment around here lol. Treason against your own faction in PVP should be a bannable offense - or the very least get you kicked out of the current campaign. It's not hard to figure out what players are doing it - you can ride in Cryo on a horse and witness it from the distance, it's plainly obvious sometimes.

I collect Trophies on Playstation, and ESO is the first game basically ever where I had to consciously tell myself I'm not going to try to get the Platinum Trophy, because doing so requires Emperor, and that's not feasible to do the proper way. It's a cheesefest for sharing Emp. anybody not in the share circle has no real chance. Even if somebody went out right now and did everything by the book, they'd have no chance against this exploit and the people performing it.

The Emperor thing is only a hot button for me purely because there is a trophy related to it. I will never have 100% on ESO because of it. If there was no trophy then I wouldn't give a care in the world. I actually don't even play PVP in ESO because of all this. I played Cyro for a bit - and I genuinely had fun - but the problem is that it's shadowed by the fact that the PVP elite aren't actually elite... they're youtube bumpkins sharing Emperor with eachother.

BFT88

White wabbit wrote: »

BFT88 wrote: »

Kill them or zone it, I don't understand why there's a whole thread on something that you can fix by logging onto another faction character.

Not everyone has that option , all of my toons belong to only one faction ( loyalty is the word I think )

Lol loyalty, you're one of those eh. Loyalty has been dead for months.

White wabbit

rteezy wrote: »

White wabbit wrote: »

BFT88 wrote: »

Kill them or zone it, I don't understand why there's a whole thread on something that you can fix by logging onto another faction character.

Not everyone has that option , all of my toons belong to only one faction ( loyalty is the word I think )

did you jsut implied "loyalty" in a video game to a made up "nation/faction"?

Damn I do get mixed up with real life and fantasy

Gedalya

Beruge wrote: »

If you have been on a empty campaign server before you should have noticed how the emperor is switching.

Beruge wrote: »

Example a red player is standing outside a keep where no one else is, he gets his yellow friends to come - lets say 5 yellows.
He kills 4 of the yellows and leaves 1 alive. thats 4x1.8k AP initially but also 4x1,8k AP in defensive tick.
The yellow proceeds to revivie his friends with soul gems. The next time he kills 4 of them he will get less initial AP, but he will still get a 4x1,8kAP defensive tick.

You mention campaign switching and then switch two an unrelated and theoretical way to abuse the system; have you actually seen this? It is my experience from banter in zone in Cyrodiil, and conversations between guildes, that people throw around the notion of cheating quite a bit without any concrete proof. Often it is, player 'X' is a cheater, simply because player 'X' scores extremely high et al.. I recently Emped on a server after trying a few times since launch; and in reading and listening to all of the accusations of cheating my impression has always been they are unrealistic at best. Outside of "Emperor Flipping" on the older PvP instances, I've seen lots of hear-say. The proposal you make demands a coordinated guild abusing the rules; certainly possible but which guilds do you have in mind? Have you submitted a support ticket with information, even general information to be reviewed by ZOS staff?

Beruge

Gedalya wrote: »

Beruge wrote: »

If you have been on a empty campaign server before you should have noticed how the emperor is switching.

Beruge wrote: »

Example a red player is standing outside a keep where no one else is, he gets his yellow friends to come - lets say 5 yellows.
He kills 4 of the yellows and leaves 1 alive. thats 4x1.8k AP initially but also 4x1,8k AP in defensive tick.
The yellow proceeds to revivie his friends with soul gems. The next time he kills 4 of them he will get less initial AP, but he will still get a 4x1,8kAP defensive tick.

You mention campaign switching and then switch two an unrelated and theoretical way to abuse the system; have you actually seen this? It is my experience from banter in zone in Cyrodiil, and conversations between guildes, that people throw around the notion of cheating quite a bit without any concrete proof. Often it is, player 'X' is a cheater, simply because player 'X' scores extremely high et al.. I recently Emped on a server after trying a few times since launch; and in reading and listening to all of the accusations of cheating my impression has always been they are unrealistic at best. Outside of "Emperor Flipping" on the older PvP instances, I've seen lots of hear-say. The proposal you make demands a coordinated guild abusing the rules; certainly possible but which guilds do you have in mind? Have you submitted a support ticket with information, even general information to be reviewed by ZOS staff?

Yes i have. I was in a group when it happend.

The red player was away from the fight but in the group. He lacked 40k AP to become emperor and he stayed at chalman where there were no fights and got it in around 10 minutes.

We also watched from a far players do this on a resource. The enemy has a keep, the players takes the resource. His friends run from the keep to the resource to die and he gets a defensive tick. This is method often used in the early stages of the campaign. Especially at night, when there is low population on.

Gedalya

Beruge wrote: »

Yes i have. I was in a group when it happend.

The red player was away from the fight but in the group. He lacked 40k AP to become emperor and he stayed at chalman where there were no fights and got it in around 10 minutes.

We also watched from a far players do this on a resource. The enemy has a keep, the players takes the resource. His friends run from the keep to the resource to die and he gets a defensive tick. This is method often used in the early stages of the campaign. Especially at night, when there is low population on.

Well, that certainly isn't encouraging. ZOS does ban people; both temp and perma. If anyone sees behavior like this please report it. I know the canned response we get can be annoying from support but I personally report prohibited behavior when I see it. Usually for me it's seeing derogatory conversations in public chat (I'm not paying to see that).

thesilverball_ESO

Love the title of this thread. In the real world this happens a lot also. Guess the game is more realistic than we thought. Just look at history.

Milvan

thesilverball_ESO wrote: »

Love the title of this thread. In the real world this happens a lot also. Guess the game is more realistic than we thought. Just look at history.

DID I HEAR CRUSADER KINGS? BECAUSE THAT SOUNDS A LOT LIKE CRUSADER KINGS!

Wreuntzylla

They should just change the system so that after the emp keep is taken, the crown spawns randomly in the keep and the first person rank 20 or higher that picks up the crown is emperor.

The prestige of being emp may even go up...

DUTCH_REAPER

Emp needs rework. sadly it won't change. We have been bringing this up for years.

Nullmagic

I am new to the game, but I agree this is an exploit, and something that would probably have been a bannable offense in other games I've played.

Humphie

BFT88 wrote: »

White wabbit wrote: »

BFT88 wrote: »

Kill them or zone it, I don't understand why there's a whole thread on something that you can fix by logging onto another faction character.

Not everyone has that option , all of my toons belong to only one faction ( loyalty is the word I think )

Lol loyalty, you're one of those eh. Loyalty has been dead for months.

My forum warrior

jaye63

I see this post coming down or being locked in 3...2...

You dont post that stuff. You get screens and vids and mail it to the company. If they dont do anything about it then it is WAI.

AzuraKin

Beruge wrote: »

This is getting out of hand and it has to be stopped.

It should be considered abusing the system and is why im taking it up here.

If you have been on a empty campaign server before you should have noticed how the emperor is switching.

And this is the method (i have not done this myself):

Example a red player is standing outside a keep where no one else is, he gets his yellow friends to come - lets say 5 yellows.
He kills 4 of the yellows and leaves 1 alive. thats 4x1.8k AP initially but also 4x1,8k AP in defensive tick.
The yellow proceeds to revivie his friends with soul gems. The next time he kills 4 of them he will get less initial AP, but he will still get a 4x1,8kAP defensive tick.

Now soul gems costs 750AP - meaning he will get 1050ap extra for every kill. So the red player uses his AP from defensive tick and buys soul gems and then proceeds to send the soul gems to his yellow friend who is reviving his friends.

Since the red player is alone in his keep he will get a massive tick bigger than you could get by fighting a fair fight. And to boost it even further he can go to a delve and kill a boss there for the extra AP bonus making his profit go even higher.

When the red player has achieved emperorship, he and his red friends will now go on yellow characters and help yellows take the map and do the same process so they can choose whobecomes the next emperor.

After its done they relog back to reds, the emperor stops playing his character who has emperorship to make it faster for their next guy to get emperership.

And they just repeat this process over and over again.

Something has to be done about this.....

maybe on low pop servers, but i have pvp'd with top end leaderboard players and they dont do that. they are out pvping, taking keeps, repairing walls, fighting zergs, ect. and i can tell you flat out, they are broke.

Junipus

AzuraKin wrote: »

Beruge wrote: »

This is getting out of hand and it has to be stopped.

It should be considered abusing the system and is why im taking it up here.

If you have been on a empty campaign server before you should have noticed how the emperor is switching.

And this is the method (i have not done this myself):

Example a red player is standing outside a keep where no one else is, he gets his yellow friends to come - lets say 5 yellows.
He kills 4 of the yellows and leaves 1 alive. thats 4x1.8k AP initially but also 4x1,8k AP in defensive tick.
The yellow proceeds to revivie his friends with soul gems. The next time he kills 4 of them he will get less initial AP, but he will still get a 4x1,8kAP defensive tick.

Now soul gems costs 750AP - meaning he will get 1050ap extra for every kill. So the red player uses his AP from defensive tick and buys soul gems and then proceeds to send the soul gems to his yellow friend who is reviving his friends.

Since the red player is alone in his keep he will get a massive tick bigger than you could get by fighting a fair fight. And to boost it even further he can go to a delve and kill a boss there for the extra AP bonus making his profit go even higher.

When the red player has achieved emperorship, he and his red friends will now go on yellow characters and help yellows take the map and do the same process so they can choose whobecomes the next emperor.

After its done they relog back to reds, the emperor stops playing his character who has emperorship to make it faster for their next guy to get emperership.

And they just repeat this process over and over again.

Something has to be done about this.....

maybe on low pop servers, but i have pvp'd with top end leaderboard players and they dont do that. they are out pvping, taking keeps, repairing walls, fighting zergs, ect. and i can tell you flat out, they are broke.

Skipped over the third sentence there, or possibly didn't even reach that far. A hearty attempt nonetheless.

DurzoBlint13

this has been happening since release and never been addressed. It is nothing new. I sent several videos of one Emp in particular gate farming for at least three campaigns in a row, but nothing was ever done about it. There even used to be guilds (ps4/NA) that advertise they will get you Emp in this way IF you pay for it. Not sure if they are still around or not tho

Publius_Scipio

This has been the case since I can remember. I'd actually like to know if someone can name a player who legitimately took emperorship of one of the most populated campaigns on his/her own merit.

The game has a system in place, the guilds know how it works, and they use it.