I didn't play MMO games for a long time before ESO beta. But in the past I tended to avoid games with a less mature community. I only played WoW in the beta and for about a month total about 2 years later for this reason mainly. I also didn't really like the cartoon graphics or the content progression. I like the content and graphics in ESO. I am more concerned about content than graphics, but for me ESO has both. The community is for the most part better. So for me, ESO surpassed WoW even in beta.

As for everyone else, it's a matter of preference or habit. That is what matters when it comes to: if one is better than the other. It is a matter of opinion.

It is true that people go to where their friends are and are often sticking with it even if they do get bored.

No eso wont pass wow, because this will break the lore.

Mettaricana wrote: »

Not unless it gives us armor restyling and stops this rng bs and we need some seriously big story content updates not side story but continue the companions and aftermath of molag bal if not then eso will trickle down to nothing

Since you it would be hard to do a story with the companions but it could be a continuation.

There will be companies who look at ESO, WoW and all the other MMO's - the one that will get it right will be the one that pays attention to its community (instead of treating them as a paypig/commodity) and focus more on stopping things going wrong rather than trying to get things right. Whats the point in great graphics and grand plans if you can't get the basics right such as balance and gameplay?

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

I've never played WoW myself but some of my guildies did (and some still do). Sometimes they're not happy with ESO/ZOS but overall it looks like :
- ESO is prettier (graphically)
- ESO is better combat-wise
- ESO is richer in quests/storytelling/lore
- ESO's community is more mature and helpful

I played WoW for more years than I have played ESO. I played WoW up through the launch of Warlords of Draenor.

ESO has better overall art and graphics. WoW is intentionally cartoony and crude, partially because they had to embrace the fact that much of the art dates back to the start of the game. The revisit to update this look has attempted to retain this feel. Huge and improbable weapons will forever rule WoW, and the equipment and world textures will be cartoony. It is the WoW thing.

ESO is a wash in terms of combat because it depends on what you are looking for. ESO combat is very dynamic and tends to be a lot more tactical than WoW combat. On the other hand, WoW combat is much better suited for combat that involves a wide variety of different skills where the player can just focus on the rotation.

ESO stories, quests, and lore is more intricate than what we get in WoW, and this is largely due to the fact that the Blizzard writers have tended to dilute the Warcraft lore with cultural references. Additionally, at some point, the Blizzard writers lost their way and the quests became too formulaic, and in a very obvious manner. Because the WoW quests are so predictable, it is possible to play a lot of the game without knowing what the heck you are doing, in terms of the lore and the story. Another problem with the story in WoW is that parts of it are locked in special events, raids, and dungeons. If those are not done, or not done in a reasonable order, the story gets fragmented.

The overall mature and helpful community? I did not care about the Blizzard forums, but the guilds in WoW are more cohesive than the ESO guilds because there is only one per character. Selection was important. Guilds in ESO are much less so. In ESO, I run with zone chat turned off, which insulates me from the worst of the garbage that has accumulated in the ESO in-game community, but I ran with zone chat on when playing WoW.

BossXV wrote: »

A couple questions

How popular is the game now

Will it pass wow

Popular? Right now, I think that "Elder Scrolls" is still driving this game. The ZOS team that rolled out the game in 2014 created a compelling game world that has a lot of room to grow. I think that ZOS no longer exists. Departures, and demands from the franchise owner, have stripped ZOS of whatever magic they had before launch. So, right now, ESO is coasting while it tries to gain traction with One Tamriel and Housing.

Will ESO pass WoW? I hesitate to say "never", but it is on that order. WoW would have to close down, and at that point ESO would have more active players than WoW. I think ESO currently has well fewer than half of the active player population of WoW, and a large portion of them are hiding behind "B2P" and are currently playing for free. In my mind, it is only the number of ESO Plus subscribers, or equivalent Crown purchasers, that matters against the WoW numbers. The ESO population that does not subscribe, or does not purchase at least $15 worth of Crowns per month, is dead weight that is almost non-existent in WoW.

Alucardo wrote: »

No, it won't. WoW has a way of securing a loyal following, whereas ESO is aiming more at casuals - people who play the game for a few months, get bored, and quit.
So not to say it doesn't have a lot of players, or receive new ones, but it has trouble keeping people loyal to the game.

This is a good point. ESO is really catering to the Vacationing Player. The short term player who does something, then leaves for a while, only to come back when the next DLC comes out. They will continue to drive the development in the Crown Store to attract these players and get them to buy Crowns while they are in town. ESO is apparently a "tourist town" and ZOS, in conjunction with Bethesda, will build on that.

I won't say that ESO does not have a loyal following of "Local" players, but ZOS spends a lot of time building stuff that is really geared toward the Vacation player. Pretty much all of One Tamriel is designed for this purpose.

Need to define what you mean by "Pass".

Dollars earned? Peak subscribers? Current subscribers? Lauch date to sunset date? Just sunset date?

The short answer for me, is ESO needs almost a decade of development under a competent gaming studio, for us to be able to even start threads titled like that.

There are tons and tons of problems and aspects of the game that are pretty much non-comparable to WoW in a pretty negative way. If WoW didn't hold a mantatory subscription system, I don't even know how many of us would be still be here.

TESO is very young for an MMO. There are huge class/build imbalances, really alarming server and base code issues, limited end game choices (in comparison to other MMOs), a pretty average questing diversity for an Elder Scrolls title e.t.c. There are also great initiatives and smart design ideas and is also one of the very few MMOs that's structured so advanced graphically. 90% of the potential comes from the Elder Scrolls lore being established by the previous titles of the franchise, which I believe if given the proper thought can be the pillar of any future evolution of the game.

So basically, it's nice and cool for us Elder Scrolls fans to roam and experience Tamriel, and that's to my understanding what keeps most of us in the game, but truth is to establish this game as the top MMO out there by objective standards and dethrone WoW would take many years, but not just many years by themselves, years in the right direction. Until then, by my "one active subscription policy" I don't think I'll drop my WoW one for an ESO plus for quite some years to come.

50 years from now, WOW players and ESO players will sit at the same retirement home lunch table, and reminisce about how their respective game company *** them over in the pursuit of a few extra dollars.

Then they'll laugh and look at the developer sitting at the next table over nibbling on cold beet soup. And realize that it's petty to argue over which game is better. It's all subjective. And they all have some pretty *** people running them anyway.

I believe that ESO is an amazing game through and through, but where it falls short is familiarity. Most people don't know the characters, and will not gather why they should care.

This is where generic has it's benefits. There needs to be something generically familiar to the people taking a look at the game, or curious about it. It can be a feature, an ability showcased in a video, a popular game character, the music and last but not least the emotional outlet or release a person gets from playing the game like in GTA. And just like in GTA, the explosions from the powers this game offers need to be BIGGER, fancier, cooler, and full of purpose, otherwise people unfamiliar with the lore are going to continue to see ESO as nothing more than another wanna-be in the shadow of it's predecessors.

Stories are going to fall flat, and mechanics are going to be unappreciated if people can't find something familiar to connect with. I have no idea what the numbers are for Xbox, and I'm not saying that every person that plays their games thumbs them up, but it can be an indicator or it's popularity or the favor it has gained. I look at thumb ups for PS4 games like:

ESO - ONLY 144,000 Likes - Barely familiar faces, and no relatable knowledge of it's universe to lure people in.

Warframe -502,000 Likes - Most people like ninjas.

DCUO - 292,000 Likes - Many people know DC characters, and even then they had showcases telling people who the characters are. And ESO is a way better game than DCUO is, so what's really going on?

GTA V - 1.48 Million Likes - People love guns, blowing up stuff, and racing.

FFXIV - 97, 300 Likes - It suffers/suffered from the same thing ESO does ... a mostly unrelatable universe.

Destiny - 114,000 Likes - This should be an insult to Zenimax. ESO is way better. There is no reason why their notoriety should be on par with arguable failures, unless they themselves are doing something wrong.

ESO is constantly improving, but opportunity will pass them by if they don't pick up the pace and start presenting content and features ALL types of people can get immersed in, not just fans of the series and/or rpg veterans.

I hope not the community will turn to crap in my experience, besides it is better to appeal to certain groups then everyone, every mmorpg that tries to appeal to everyone ends up on the backburner because they become to casual and boring and loose allot of depth.

Ethromelb14_ESO wrote: »

I believe that ESO is an amazing game through and through, but where it falls short is familiarity. Most people don't know the characters, and will not gather why they should care.

This is where generic has it's benefits. There needs to be something generically familiar to the people taking a look at the game, or curious about it. It can be a feature, an ability showcased in a video, a popular game character, the music and last but not least the emotional outlet or release a person gets from playing the game like in GTA. And just like in GTA, the explosions from the powers this game offers need to be BIGGER, fancier, cooler, and full of purpose, otherwise people unfamiliar with the lore are going to continue to see ESO as nothing more than another wanna-be in the shadow of it's predecessors.

Stories are going to fall flat, and mechanics are going to be unappreciated if people can't find something familiar to connect with. I have no idea what the numbers are for Xbox, and I'm not saying that every person that plays their games thumbs them up, but it can be an indicator or it's popularity or the favor it has gained. I look at thumb ups for PS4 games like:

ESO - ONLY 144,000 Likes - Barely familiar faces, and no relatable knowledge of it's universe to lure people in.

Warframe -502,000 Likes - Most people like ninjas.

DCUO - 292,000 Likes - Many people know DC characters, and even then they had showcases telling people who the characters are. And ESO is a way better game than DCUO is, so what's really going on?

GTA V - 1.48 Million Likes - People love guns, blowing up stuff, and racing.

FFXIV - 97, 300 Likes - It suffers/suffered from the same thing ESO does ... a mostly unrelatable universe.

Destiny - 114,000 Likes - This should be an insult to Zenimax. ESO is way better. There is no reason why their notoriety should be on par with arguable failures, unless they themselves are doing something wrong.

ESO is constantly improving, but opportunity will pass them by if they don't pick up the pace and start presenting content and features ALL types of people can get immersed in, not just fans of the series and/or rpg veterans.

And that is the problem right there is to much generic, most people are tried of generic wow clones. Eso is something many of us wanted.

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Never played WoW myself, but if people are stating ESO has the richer quests, then WoW must be terrible in that respect. Almost every quest is a cut n paste of 3 quest types and all almost always involve a lazy assed npc. Run around area>trash mobs>boss fight. That's how almost every quest pans out in ESO. Then they're split into the 3 quest types mentioned above, destroy a number of objects (crystals etc), solve a mundas type puzzle or kill 'X' amount of enemies to either fill a gem/collect certain items from their dead bodies and so on.

I don't believe questing is one of ESO's strong points. However, If you like an entire game full of those radiant quests we got in Skyrim, then yeah, ESO excels when it comes to quests.

How can you not believe eso does not have strong questing? You must be skipping dialogue.