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Suter1972✭✭✭✭AsteriaStarfall wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »Bad analogy. The person didn't watch you as you fought off multiple monsters and then come and take the bread which was sitting right under your feet since you made it obvious that you were fighting the monsters in order to get the bread.
That's where we disagree. You ASSUME this person saw you and consciously decided to screw you and grief you.
Believe me, most of us "heavy farmers" farm while chatting in TeamSpeak, listening to real world news, whatever. We might just as well farm "your" node without even having noticing you and your farming. Don't take this so personally.
Yeah, it is so easy to miss someone in combat as they are sitting RIGHT ON TOP OF A NODE. Because combat is like, invisible and stuff.
No, your analogy is crap. Deal with it.
Pretty much this. I had someone today, turn run towards me at an ore node that was hidden behind the hill...stop in front of me and dismount, and just as i was getting the last hit in on the enemy, he turned and farmed it.
At that moment, i said screw it, if i see a node, i'm getting it. If you are there in combat, to bad. To many times I have been nice enough to pass by a node because i saw someone else running towards it and then getting nodes stolen out from under me, so now i will steal them as well.
And so it begins…..
The selfish actions of the node ninjas’ create a feeling of discontent and having been exploited in this way some may feel the need to do the same to others and forget playing in a co-op manner. Eventually everyone in the game is a node/loot stealing, out for themselves ***.
People quit playing as its not a ‘fun’ place to be anymore. No more game
I do think this is highlighted more on the wrothgar event and as someone else said, it attracts in the sharks who normally aren’t interested in farming mats. Much like the packed dolmens on the witches festival.
Actually, its the reverse.
@STEVIL Nothing in your post actually states how its the 'reverse' of what I posted. You've just added another war and peace on the same point you make over and over again.
Its still the viewpoint of someone happy to take something they know they haven't earnt while they let someone else do the work for them. In any walk of life, that's not morally justifiable, whether mechanics allow it or not. But hey.... youre happy with that so great.
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People are not playing blindly by the rules, they're just not playing by your personal rules. It's great that people have personal rules that they follow, but one can hardly expect others to do so, let alone start calling others full of feces just because they don't follow your rules.Lava_Croft wrote: »
This is a weird statement, since judging from your post you actually want people to play by rules not made by them. You want people follow your personal rules regarding resource nodes instead of the general rule that says "it's yours once it's in your inventory".Have you met ppl in IC when you´ve fought all spawns of a trap chest alone and they come and loot your chest?
Some people might say blame the system.
I´m more in favor of still blaming the pile of feces that abuses it. Too many people full of poo poo hide behind the shallow excuse of only playing by the rules not made by them.
Actually no - i´m only saying playing by the rules blindly without taking other people into consideration makes you an ***.
I´m also stating this specific example as there is no way to actually avoid fighting those NPCs (edit: well there is one - you just have to wait for an idiot to fight them for you -
) as they´re directly linked to the chest - but the reward is not linked to them. Which is contrary to how resource nodes work (they don´t have NPCs linked to them).
By this logic, one could say that running multiple high damage proc sets on your StamNB is not taking other people into consideration, which would make you full of feces. Yet it's not, since this is just the way the game is set up.
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Suter1972✭✭✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
People are not playing blindly by the rules, they're just not playing by your personal rules. It's great that people have personal rules that they follow, but one can hardly expect others to do so, let alone start calling others full of feces just because they don't follow your rules.Lava_Croft wrote: »
This is a weird statement, since judging from your post you actually want people to play by rules not made by them. You want people follow your personal rules regarding resource nodes instead of the general rule that says "it's yours once it's in your inventory".Have you met ppl in IC when you´ve fought all spawns of a trap chest alone and they come and loot your chest?
Some people might say blame the system.
I´m more in favor of still blaming the pile of feces that abuses it. Too many people full of poo poo hide behind the shallow excuse of only playing by the rules not made by them.
Actually no - i´m only saying playing by the rules blindly without taking other people into consideration makes you an ***.
I´m also stating this specific example as there is no way to actually avoid fighting those NPCs (edit: well there is one - you just have to wait for an idiot to fight them for you - ) as they´re directly linked to the chest - but the reward is not linked to them. Which is contrary to how resource nodes work (they don´t have NPCs linked to them).
By this logic, one could say that running multiple high damage proc sets on your StamNB is not taking other people into consideration, which would make you full of feces. Yet it's not, since this is just the way the game is set up.
No-one can argue that the 'rules' don't allow node ninja's to come in and steal something a player is working towards getting. I don't see any post from anyone stating the opposite of that. Its accepted.
The point we/some are are trying to make is that morally, it makes you a moron. All the arguments ive seen keep coming back to game mechanics. No -one seems to be able to justify or debate a valid point on not being the moron, and judging by the 7 pages of debate from both sides, its a subject that affects a lot of players that they feel strongly about. It therefore cannot be swept away as 'mechanic's so get over it'Edited by Suter1972 on November 18, 2016 10:28AMWas - Breton DC ( GIRL - Guy In Real Life toon) Magika Templar Healer/ 5-8 trait Crafter - currently CP290 and learning now starting again on xbox…...
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✭✭✭I_killed_Vivec wrote: ».AsteriaStarfall wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »Bad analogy. The person didn't watch you as you fought off multiple monsters and then come and take the bread which was sitting right under your feet since you made it obvious that you were fighting the monsters in order to get the bread.
That's where we disagree. You ASSUME this person saw you and consciously decided to screw you and grief you.
Believe me, most of us "heavy farmers" farm while chatting in TeamSpeak, listening to real world news, whatever. We might just as well farm "your" node without even having noticing you and your farming. Don't take this so personally.
Yeah, it is so easy to miss someone in combat as they are sitting RIGHT ON TOP OF A NODE. Because combat is like, invisible and stuff.
No, your analogy is crap. Deal with it.
Pretty much this. I had someone today, turn run towards me at an ore node that was hidden behind the hill...stop in front of me and dismount, and just as i was getting the last hit in on the enemy, he turned and farmed it.
At that moment, i said screw it, if i see a node, i'm getting it. If you are there in combat, to bad. To many times I have been nice enough to pass by a node because i saw someone else running towards it and then getting nodes stolen out from under me, so now i will steal them as well.
I am sorry that this happened to you. You can take my nodes anytime
For me, it's never been about the materials. I don't care about that. I used to harvest in WoW and EQ1, where the competition was fierce. Fewer nodes, random spawn points, and professional gold farmers training multiple mobs on top of me in order to knock me off the node (they lost). In modern games such as ESO and LOTRO, nodes are unbelievably plentiful. There is more than enough to go around, which is why I often give folks a wide berth if I see them going for the same node. I have stood on top of a herb node and seen it respawn within 30 seconds. ESO is node paradise...
My point, however, and I think that this is what many of us are getting at who are complaining about node stealing is this - we do not care so much about not getting imaginary materials - what we care about is being treated rudely. The nodes do not matter so much to me which is *precisely* why I prefer to let others have them if we are in competition for the same node. In fact, it is the *griefers* who believe that every imaginary material is so important that they must act like needy, entitled brats. Those of you who are defending this behaviour are the entitled ones. It is YOU who cares so much about the game that you must grab every node in sight. It is YOU who are projecting your special feelz onto us.
And the reason why good, co-operative behaviour is encouraged in any social setting is because of what AsteriaStarfall just wrote. If we all stab each other in the back, we all end up losing in the end. I would rather work with people than act like I am an extra from a Mad Max movie.
And here we have the entitlement poor sport thing going on full swing.
its not stabbing you in the back if i get to a node before you. You and i have no partnership. You and i have no agreement. if we did, no problem. But we don/t and when resources are setup as race-wins types, its not rude to win the race and take the node and move on.
its not treating you rudely to win the race to the node. it really isn't.
its not griefing you to take something that isn't yours.
What is rude is losing a race at the last bit and then going to forums to call names and be derogatory about the folks who won the race.
Now, if i had say dragged over mobs to interfere with your noding, that could be considered interference and i would agree its at least close to out of bounds. But notice, its the "our nodes stolen" folks mentioning that as a payback option to those who win the race fair and square.
Truth be told, i almost never end up competing for nodes. i consider it a fight for middle bad decision. if a node area is crowded enough its even a question, i go elsewhere. You profit much much more when there isn't competition. practically trip over nodes if nobody else is around and there are lots of areas where thats true. But if i am in an area and there is a node, i typically grab it if i can and if someone else gets it first... I go to the next node... I dont go to the internet to call them names or insult them.
To me, i was always taught that when you lose its good behavior to go on, maybe congratulate the other guy and move on. i was taught its very bad form to start bad mouthing the one who beat you or start calling them names or other such nonsense.
Its behavior i try to keep going in life and in the games i play.
if the panthers lose tonight in a last second field goal, i doubt we will see newton on the net complaining that thesaints was rude to kick the field goal and should have let them win or that that somehow in a strangely perverse sort of way shows the Saints have the entitlement mindset.
Sorry but when you say "entitled brats" and the example is someone who won a race fairly and someone who lost it and went posting with names and derogatory terms... - we definitely disagree on which of those most qualifies as the EBs.
But it isn't a fair race to the node. One player has to kill the mobs, the other only has to turn up and take the node while the first player is on a cooldown.
You don't seem to understand that the complaint is not about two people racing to get a node and the person who "loses" thinks that it should be theirs. It's not a race. For one person its a fight, for the other it's theft - and you can see that from the attitudes of the people here who will take these nodes, either they think it's "funny" (how come unless they are aware it's rude?) or they are "role-playing" a thief, in which case they acknowledge that it's theft.
It doesn't have to be a dog-eat-dog world, even in the limited context of a video game it is perfectly possible for people to maintain standards of behaviour.
And Cam Newton might be upset if he found out that Tom Brady had deflated the football... (to continue your rubbish analogy).
P.S. I think it's a stretch to say that the developers "designed" competitive node gathering. Even the cool down on lock attempts can hardly be said to have been developed to provide a combative farming mini game. It's more that failing to unpick a lock means you have to wait, and if someone else is there then they might get a go. It is too much to say that they actively wanted us to be fighting over chests or nodes.
newton would be upset over deflation because that is against the rules. picking up a non-kill nodes without killing is not breaking the rules.
Do you see the difference in your own example?
people get upset over cheat engine which is a violation of the rules. that is legit.
people get upset over gathering nodes someone else imagines they own. that is not legit.
you have to see that? you chose deliberately to use a cheating example, one that earned actual post event penalties.
As for a fair race to the node, "fair" is not a criteria here.
Two ogres sitting over a chest.
First guy comes by kills the ogres and takes the chest AND the crappy kill drops.
X min later ogres are back but chest not respawned.
new guy comes by kills ogres just gets the crappy kill drops.
Y min later guy comes by and gets chest but ogres not back yet so no need to fight. Woo hoo.
is it fair that the second guy did as much work as the first but got less?
is it fair that the third guy did less work than the second but got more?
Well if your definition of fair is limited to "all resources are kill-drop earned" then you likely say "no".
but if you definition of fair includes "some nodes are races unrelated to kill-drops" then your answer is no.
one of those "definitions of fair is the one implemented in the game. one isn't.
As for the whole wonderfully imaginative not designed competitive node gathering, priceless.
ZOS put into the game non-competitive resources where everybody can get their own rewards if they meet the earn criteria. You and i both hit mob we both see gold kill-drops if we did enough. Tons of those all thru the game. Dolmens, we all do the dolmen we all get the chest if we did the req amount.
i am willing to believe they meant to do just that. i dont need to put on blinders and say "maybe they meant those to be co-op resources but maybe not."
ZOS put into the game a lot of other resources where if one person takes it it goes away and others dont get it - dont get another personal here you go glowy package. one gets it one loses out. Sure it comes back later. but this one here right now.. one of us gets it and sure, we can share but.,.. its one.
i am just as willing to believe they did that too and meant to do it.
in another case, they provide a temporary lock and if you fail, you are locked out and others can chime in.
i am willing to believe they meant that too.
the first type are co-op the other two are competitive. We cannot "fight over them" cuz fighting isn't their key. We can compete for them... just as they were designed.
it would have been easier to do just one type. making all these co-op would have been easier and less work.
Zos didn't go that route and while some may prefer it and maybe in a kumbayah sing along its even a better overall design but in fact its not the game we are playing.
So you know running to the net to call names and so on over how you lost out and so on... again not good sportsmanship in any definition of the term.
As for some consider it theft who are doing it.. some do. others dont. i dont. not once have i said "its theft and hey i steal in character." i am saying clearly its a non-kill reward and a race reward and winning the race earns the reward not anything else. Fighting the mob earns you the kill-drop and xp. Anything else is your imagining.
But again, to me , if you are in competition for nodes you are doing it wrong if your goal is gains. Way too many where there is no competition.
When they announced orsinium event i went "great everywhere else is gold" and have raked in the nodes in my casual play.
Whenever someone post "good farming vids i go "great!" since i know it will draw in lots freeing up others.
Edited by STEVIL on November 18, 2016 10:35AMProudly skooma free while talks-when-drunk is in mandatory public housing.
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✭✭✭AsteriaStarfall wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »Bad analogy. The person didn't watch you as you fought off multiple monsters and then come and take the bread which was sitting right under your feet since you made it obvious that you were fighting the monsters in order to get the bread.
That's where we disagree. You ASSUME this person saw you and consciously decided to screw you and grief you.
Believe me, most of us "heavy farmers" farm while chatting in TeamSpeak, listening to real world news, whatever. We might just as well farm "your" node without even having noticing you and your farming. Don't take this so personally.
Yeah, it is so easy to miss someone in combat as they are sitting RIGHT ON TOP OF A NODE. Because combat is like, invisible and stuff.
No, your analogy is crap. Deal with it.
Pretty much this. I had someone today, turn run towards me at an ore node that was hidden behind the hill...stop in front of me and dismount, and just as i was getting the last hit in on the enemy, he turned and farmed it.
At that moment, i said screw it, if i see a node, i'm getting it. If you are there in combat, to bad. To many times I have been nice enough to pass by a node because i saw someone else running towards it and then getting nodes stolen out from under me, so now i will steal them as well.
And so it begins…..
The selfish actions of the node ninjas’ create a feeling of discontent and having been exploited in this way some may feel the need to do the same to others and forget playing in a co-op manner. Eventually everyone in the game is a node/loot stealing, out for themselves ***.
People quit playing as its not a ‘fun’ place to be anymore. No more game
I do think this is highlighted more on the wrothgar event and as someone else said, it attracts in the sharks who normally aren’t interested in farming mats. Much like the packed dolmens on the witches festival.
Actually, its the reverse.
@STEVIL Nothing in your post actually states how its the 'reverse' of what I posted. You've just added another war and peace on the same point you make over and over again.
Its still the viewpoint of someone happy to take something they know they haven't earnt while they let someone else do the work for them. In any walk of life, that's not morally justifiable, whether mechanics allow it or not. But hey.... youre happy with that so great.
your comment was "The selfish actions of the node ninjas’ create a feeling of discontent and having been exploited in this way... "
the point about the reverse in my post was when i pointed out that if one doesn't feel entitled to the node before you actually acquire it, there is no feeling of discontent and being exploited.
if i dont feel i own a node then i dont get that " i was exploited" when someone else does.
its not the guys getting to the nodes that are creating the feelings, but rather its the guys imagining pre-ownership that are. their entitlement reflex frequently followed by chat and net post "ire" generates the heat.
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As for a fair race to the node, "fair" is not a criteria here.
I cut the rest because it is of no value.
You have decided, unilaterally, that "fair" is not a criterion. However, it is clear that for other people the innate sense of fairness is the main criterion.
Until you understand that then there is no point talking to you, because you can justify any action simply by bending your definition of "sportsmanship" - starting by removing the concept of fairness, which according to the dictionary is fundamental:
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✭✭✭AsteriaStarfall wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »Bad analogy. The person didn't watch you as you fought off multiple monsters and then come and take the bread which was sitting right under your feet since you made it obvious that you were fighting the monsters in order to get the bread.
That's where we disagree. You ASSUME this person saw you and consciously decided to screw you and grief you.
Believe me, most of us "heavy farmers" farm while chatting in TeamSpeak, listening to real world news, whatever. We might just as well farm "your" node without even having noticing you and your farming. Don't take this so personally.
Yeah, it is so easy to miss someone in combat as they are sitting RIGHT ON TOP OF A NODE. Because combat is like, invisible and stuff.
No, your analogy is crap. Deal with it.
Pretty much this. I had someone today, turn run towards me at an ore node that was hidden behind the hill...stop in front of me and dismount, and just as i was getting the last hit in on the enemy, he turned and farmed it.
At that moment, i said screw it, if i see a node, i'm getting it. If you are there in combat, to bad. To many times I have been nice enough to pass by a node because i saw someone else running towards it and then getting nodes stolen out from under me, so now i will steal them as well.
And so it begins…..
The selfish actions of the node ninjas’ create a feeling of discontent and having been exploited in this way some may feel the need to do the same to others and forget playing in a co-op manner. Eventually everyone in the game is a node/loot stealing, out for themselves ***.
People quit playing as its not a ‘fun’ place to be anymore. No more game
I do think this is highlighted more on the wrothgar event and as someone else said, it attracts in the sharks who normally aren’t interested in farming mats. Much like the packed dolmens on the witches festival.
Actually, its the reverse.
@STEVIL Nothing in your post actually states how its the 'reverse' of what I posted. You've just added another war and peace on the same point you make over and over again.
Its still the viewpoint of someone happy to take something they know they haven't earnt while they let someone else do the work for them. In any walk of life, that's not morally justifiable, whether mechanics allow it or not. But hey.... youre happy with that so great.
the game world and i know that you earn race nodes by winning the race to access them, not by killing monsters. I am happy to take resources i earned by fulfilling their acquisition conditions.
others it seems want to have their own redefinition of what earns the resources provide them a sense of pre-own entitlement. that somehow makes post-loss ire, rant, name-calling and other such unsportsmanlike behavior be acceptable.
Not how i was raised.
Win with humility and lose gracefully. thats what i was taught.
but hey, thats me. Doesn't have to apply to everyone.
old fogeys like me not the majority, i reckon.
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✭✭✭✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
People are not playing blindly by the rules, they're just not playing by your personal rules. It's great that people have personal rules that they follow, but one can hardly expect others to do so, let alone start calling others full of feces just because they don't follow your rules.Lava_Croft wrote: »
This is a weird statement, since judging from your post you actually want people to play by rules not made by them. You want people follow your personal rules regarding resource nodes instead of the general rule that says "it's yours once it's in your inventory".Have you met ppl in IC when you´ve fought all spawns of a trap chest alone and they come and loot your chest?
Some people might say blame the system.
I´m more in favor of still blaming the pile of feces that abuses it. Too many people full of poo poo hide behind the shallow excuse of only playing by the rules not made by them.
Actually no - i´m only saying playing by the rules blindly without taking other people into consideration makes you an ***.
I´m also stating this specific example as there is no way to actually avoid fighting those NPCs (edit: well there is one - you just have to wait for an idiot to fight them for you - ) as they´re directly linked to the chest - but the reward is not linked to them. Which is contrary to how resource nodes work (they don´t have NPCs linked to them).
By this logic, one could say that running multiple high damage proc sets on your StamNB is not taking other people into consideration, which would make you full of feces. Yet it's not, since this is just the way the game is set up.
It´s doing what the game allows you to do.
This translates to the game setting up the rules that you follow blindly without taking other people into account.
It´s the equivalent of taking a parking spot someone else is in the process of backing in to slowly. It´s not punishable by any means. Yet the majority of people will deem you a gigantic egomanic moron for doing it. It´s antisocial.
As the game is lacking an equivalent to keying a morons car i´m calling them fof. That´s just the way it is. I don´t like antisocial behavior because i actually like/respect most of the people i´m playing with.
Of course that is a train of thought that can hardly occur to someone who does not fit into that category of person by any means and makes this discussion nonsensical at best.<Noricum>
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✭✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
People are not playing blindly by the rules, they're just not playing by your personal rules. It's great that people have personal rules that they follow, but one can hardly expect others to do so, let alone start calling others full of feces just because they don't follow your rules.Lava_Croft wrote: »
This is a weird statement, since judging from your post you actually want people to play by rules not made by them. You want people follow your personal rules regarding resource nodes instead of the general rule that says "it's yours once it's in your inventory".Have you met ppl in IC when you´ve fought all spawns of a trap chest alone and they come and loot your chest?
Some people might say blame the system.
I´m more in favor of still blaming the pile of feces that abuses it. Too many people full of poo poo hide behind the shallow excuse of only playing by the rules not made by them.
Actually no - i´m only saying playing by the rules blindly without taking other people into consideration makes you an ***.
I´m also stating this specific example as there is no way to actually avoid fighting those NPCs (edit: well there is one - you just have to wait for an idiot to fight them for you - ) as they´re directly linked to the chest - but the reward is not linked to them. Which is contrary to how resource nodes work (they don´t have NPCs linked to them).
By this logic, one could say that running multiple high damage proc sets on your StamNB is not taking other people into consideration, which would make you full of feces. Yet it's not, since this is just the way the game is set up.
No-one can argue that the 'rules' don't allow node ninja's to come in and steal something a player is working towards getting. I don't see any post from anyone stating the opposite of that. Its accepted.
The point we/some are are trying to make is that morally, it makes you a moron. All the arguments ive seen keep coming back to game mechanics. No -one seems to be able to justify or debate a valid point on not being the moron, and judging by the 7 pages of debate from both sides, its a subject that affects a lot of players that they feel strongly about. It therefore cannot be swept away as 'mechanic's so get over it'
First, the one throwing around "makes you a moron" is likely not the one who should be waiving the "morally" flag in a discussion.
Second, moron is a derogatory in connotation descriptive term about intelligence. it has no relationship to "morality." You can be a moron and have integrity and be moral or you can be a genius and be/have neither.
So really saying "morally it make you a moron" is kind of like saying "mass-wise it makes you plaid."
it is funny tho that you think 7 forum pages means it involves a lot of players.Edited by STEVIL on November 18, 2016 11:05AMProudly skooma free while talks-when-drunk is in mandatory public housing.
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DurzoBlint13✭✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »DurzoBlint13 wrote: »you never farmed Craglorn before 1T did you? This is nothing new and certainly not because of the Orsinium event. It happens all of the time and has happened since launch. It has only gotten worse since 1T because of the greater availability of top end nodes.
Unless I'm missing something, it seems that top tiers node being available all over Tamriel makes farmers spread much more over far more space, thus reducing this sort of competition. In my humble opinion, the current tensions are caused by the Orsinium event and are mainly restricted to this zone.
at least on ps4/NA the greater availability has led to greater number of farmers. Between the Halloween event, overworld set drops, Orsinium event, and the fact that Temps are going for prices almost double what they were previously (on ps4/NA) the shear volume of farmers I see had tripled.0 -
Suter1972✭✭✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
People are not playing blindly by the rules, they're just not playing by your personal rules. It's great that people have personal rules that they follow, but one can hardly expect others to do so, let alone start calling others full of feces just because they don't follow your rules.Lava_Croft wrote: »
This is a weird statement, since judging from your post you actually want people to play by rules not made by them. You want people follow your personal rules regarding resource nodes instead of the general rule that says "it's yours once it's in your inventory".Have you met ppl in IC when you´ve fought all spawns of a trap chest alone and they come and loot your chest?
Some people might say blame the system.
I´m more in favor of still blaming the pile of feces that abuses it. Too many people full of poo poo hide behind the shallow excuse of only playing by the rules not made by them.
Actually no - i´m only saying playing by the rules blindly without taking other people into consideration makes you an ***.
I´m also stating this specific example as there is no way to actually avoid fighting those NPCs (edit: well there is one - you just have to wait for an idiot to fight them for you - ) as they´re directly linked to the chest - but the reward is not linked to them. Which is contrary to how resource nodes work (they don´t have NPCs linked to them).
By this logic, one could say that running multiple high damage proc sets on your StamNB is not taking other people into consideration, which would make you full of feces. Yet it's not, since this is just the way the game is set up.
No-one can argue that the 'rules' don't allow node ninja's to come in and steal something a player is working towards getting. I don't see any post from anyone stating the opposite of that. Its accepted.
The point we/some are are trying to make is that morally, it makes you a moron. All the arguments ive seen keep coming back to game mechanics. No -one seems to be able to justify or debate a valid point on not being the moron, and judging by the 7 pages of debate from both sides, its a subject that affects a lot of players that they feel strongly about. It therefore cannot be swept away as 'mechanic's so get over it'
First, the one throwing around "makes you a moron" is likely not the one who should be waiving the "morally" flag in a discussion.
Second, moron is a derogatory in connotation descriptive term about intelligence. it has no relationship to "morality." You can be a moron and have integrity and be moral or you can be a genius and be/have neither.
So really saying "morally it make you a moron" is kind of like saying "mass-wise it makes you plaid."
it is funny tho that you think 7 forum pages means it involves a lot of players.
@STEVIL Stevil, Every post I read of yours seem to want to argue. Even if you have no point to prove you still find a way to argue about it.
You then reply 3 TIMES quoting me in as many posts. Its verging on stalking and a little unnerving.
However, I will admit to not even reading 99% of your post as I lose interest after the 1st line.
Your ‘justification‘ remains weak and again referring to game mechanics. You then even try and detract the subject by dissecting the term ‘moron’ which ironically does the opposite.Lava_Croft wrote: »
People are not playing blindly by the rules, they're just not playing by your personal rules. It's great that people have personal rules that they follow, but one can hardly expect others to do so, let alone start calling others full of feces just because they don't follow your rules.Lava_Croft wrote: »
This is a weird statement, since judging from your post you actually want people to play by rules not made by them. You want people follow your personal rules regarding resource nodes instead of the general rule that says "it's yours once it's in your inventory".Have you met ppl in IC when you´ve fought all spawns of a trap chest alone and they come and loot your chest?
Some people might say blame the system.
I´m more in favor of still blaming the pile of feces that abuses it. Too many people full of poo poo hide behind the shallow excuse of only playing by the rules not made by them.
Actually no - i´m only saying playing by the rules blindly without taking other people into consideration makes you an ***.
I´m also stating this specific example as there is no way to actually avoid fighting those NPCs (edit: well there is one - you just have to wait for an idiot to fight them for you - ) as they´re directly linked to the chest - but the reward is not linked to them. Which is contrary to how resource nodes work (they don´t have NPCs linked to them).
By this logic, one could say that running multiple high damage proc sets on your StamNB is not taking other people into consideration, which would make you full of feces. Yet it's not, since this is just the way the game is set up.
No-one can argue that the 'rules' don't allow node ninja's to come in and steal something a player is working towards getting. I don't see any post from anyone stating the opposite of that. Its accepted.
The point we/some are are trying to make is that morally, it makes you a moron. All the arguments ive seen keep coming back to game mechanics. No -one seems to be able to justify or debate a valid point on not being the moron, and judging by the 7 pages of debate from both sides, its a subject that affects a lot of players that they feel strongly about. It therefore cannot be swept away as 'mechanic's so get over it'
First, the one throwing around "makes you a moron" is likely not the one who should be waiving the "morally" flag in a discussion.
Second, moron is a derogatory in connotation descriptive term about intelligence. it has no relationship to "morality." You can be a moron and have integrity and be moral or you can be a genius and be/have neither.
So really saying "morally it make you a moron" is kind of like saying "mass-wise it makes you plaid."
it is funny tho that you think 7 forum pages means it involves a lot of players.
@STEVIL Stevil, Every post I read of yours seem to want to argue. Even if you have no point to prove you still find a way to argue about it.
You then reply 3 TIMES quoting me in as many posts. Its verging on stalking and a little unnerving.
However, I will admit to not even reading 99% of your post as I lose interest after the 1st line.
Your ‘justification‘ remains weak and again referring to game mechanics. You then even try and detract the subject by dissecting the term ‘moron’ which ironically does the opposite.
If you think its funny that this topic has reached 7 pages then please go back to the line above this and re-evaluate things.
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Suter1972✭✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
i'll have to bow to your superior knowledge of diction and language interpretation as I clearly have no idea what the point of your post is.Was - Breton DC ( GIRL - Guy In Real Life toon) Magika Templar Healer/ 5-8 trait Crafter - currently CP290 and learning now starting again on xbox…...
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✭✭✭✭✭DurzoBlint13 wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »DurzoBlint13 wrote: »you never farmed Craglorn before 1T did you? This is nothing new and certainly not because of the Orsinium event. It happens all of the time and has happened since launch. It has only gotten worse since 1T because of the greater availability of top end nodes.
Unless I'm missing something, it seems that top tiers node being available all over Tamriel makes farmers spread much more over far more space, thus reducing this sort of competition. In my humble opinion, the current tensions are caused by the Orsinium event and are mainly restricted to this zone.
at least on ps4/NA the greater availability has led to greater number of farmers. Between the Halloween event, overworld set drops, Orsinium event, and the fact that Temps are going for prices almost double what they were previously (on ps4/NA) the shear volume of farmers I see had tripled.
Thanks for the info. On PC/EU frankly I don't experience this anywhere outside Wrothgar. Everywhere else is pretty comfortable to farm - and even the eternal hollow city battlefield is more quiet (since the introduction of Tel Var Alchemy satchels). Regardless, I think things will calm down once people have made up their minds and choices within all the new sets of One Tamriel, and geared the alts they leveled during the witches' festival.
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I would argue that backing up into a parking spot is not even remotely like someone fighting mobs near a node. The first implies you are busy entering a parking spot while the second implies nothing but the fact that someone is fighting mobs near a node.Lava_Croft wrote: »
People are not playing blindly by the rules, they're just not playing by your personal rules. It's great that people have personal rules that they follow, but one can hardly expect others to do so, let alone start calling others full of feces just because they don't follow your rules.Lava_Croft wrote: »
This is a weird statement, since judging from your post you actually want people to play by rules not made by them. You want people follow your personal rules regarding resource nodes instead of the general rule that says "it's yours once it's in your inventory".Have you met ppl in IC when you´ve fought all spawns of a trap chest alone and they come and loot your chest?
Some people might say blame the system.
I´m more in favor of still blaming the pile of feces that abuses it. Too many people full of poo poo hide behind the shallow excuse of only playing by the rules not made by them.
Actually no - i´m only saying playing by the rules blindly without taking other people into consideration makes you an ***.
I´m also stating this specific example as there is no way to actually avoid fighting those NPCs (edit: well there is one - you just have to wait for an idiot to fight them for you - ) as they´re directly linked to the chest - but the reward is not linked to them. Which is contrary to how resource nodes work (they don´t have NPCs linked to them).
By this logic, one could say that running multiple high damage proc sets on your StamNB is not taking other people into consideration, which would make you full of feces. Yet it's not, since this is just the way the game is set up.
It´s doing what the game allows you to do.
This translates to the game setting up the rules that you follow blindly without taking other people into account.
It´s the equivalent of taking a parking spot someone else is in the process of backing in to slowly. It´s not punishable by any means. Yet the majority of people will deem you a gigantic egomanic moron for doing it. It´s antisocial.
As the game is lacking an equivalent to keying a morons car i´m calling them fof. That´s just the way it is. I don´t like antisocial behavior because i actually like/respect most of the people i´m playing with.
Of course that is a train of thought that can hardly occur to someone who does not fit into that category of person by any means and makes this discussion nonsensical at best.
It's much more antisocial to claim any resource node just because you happen to be near it doing something besides grabbing said resource node.
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✭✭✭✭✭It´s the equivalent of taking a parking spot someone else is in the process of backing in to slowly. It´s not punishable by any means. Yet the majority of people will deem you a gigantic egomanic moron for doing it. It´s antisocial.
I like this analogy.
Yes, it's antisocial behaviour, not very nice. But whenever I witness it and it ends up in both drivers throwing insults at each other in the street, I think they're both to blame for much ado about nothing.
It's even more ridiculous if there are plenty of other parking spaces around (which is the case with nodes in ESO).
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✭✭✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
i'll have to bow to your superior knowledge of diction and language interpretation as I clearly have no idea what the point of your post is.
Let's make it more clear then :
- You wrote "That behaviour, morally, makes anyone who does this a moron"
- Which I "correct" by saying "That behaviour makes you, Suter, consider anyone who does this as a moron".
The point being, that this person is a moron only in your eyes, and can care or not care about it.
The other point being that "moral standards" as general rules of life in society are few and there are also in this game several behaviours for which there is no consense whether it's fair or not. Such as ganking in pvp, buying low/reselling high in trading, joining a started boss fight (aka "leeching" or "helping" depending on PoV) , etc. Ninja'ing nodes is one of those aspects - as this thread illustrates.
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✭✭✭✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
I would argue that backing up into a parking spot is not even remotely like someone fighting mobs near a node. The first implies you are busy entering a parking spot while the second implies nothing but the fact that someone is fighting mobs near a node.Lava_Croft wrote: »
People are not playing blindly by the rules, they're just not playing by your personal rules. It's great that people have personal rules that they follow, but one can hardly expect others to do so, let alone start calling others full of feces just because they don't follow your rules.Lava_Croft wrote: »
This is a weird statement, since judging from your post you actually want people to play by rules not made by them. You want people follow your personal rules regarding resource nodes instead of the general rule that says "it's yours once it's in your inventory".Have you met ppl in IC when you´ve fought all spawns of a trap chest alone and they come and loot your chest?
Some people might say blame the system.
I´m more in favor of still blaming the pile of feces that abuses it. Too many people full of poo poo hide behind the shallow excuse of only playing by the rules not made by them.
Actually no - i´m only saying playing by the rules blindly without taking other people into consideration makes you an ***.
I´m also stating this specific example as there is no way to actually avoid fighting those NPCs (edit: well there is one - you just have to wait for an idiot to fight them for you - ) as they´re directly linked to the chest - but the reward is not linked to them. Which is contrary to how resource nodes work (they don´t have NPCs linked to them).
By this logic, one could say that running multiple high damage proc sets on your StamNB is not taking other people into consideration, which would make you full of feces. Yet it's not, since this is just the way the game is set up.
It´s doing what the game allows you to do.
This translates to the game setting up the rules that you follow blindly without taking other people into account.
It´s the equivalent of taking a parking spot someone else is in the process of backing in to slowly. It´s not punishable by any means. Yet the majority of people will deem you a gigantic egomanic moron for doing it. It´s antisocial.
As the game is lacking an equivalent to keying a morons car i´m calling them fof. That´s just the way it is. I don´t like antisocial behavior because i actually like/respect most of the people i´m playing with.
Of course that is a train of thought that can hardly occur to someone who does not fit into that category of person by any means and makes this discussion nonsensical at best.
It's much more antisocial to claim any resource node just because you happen to be near it doing something besides grabbing said resource node.
Isn´t it nice to see that you´ve either not understood what i´m talking about at all or are violating the forums tos on purpose?
Try rereading what i´ve wrote and maybe you´ll understand.<Noricum>
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Suter1972✭✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
i'll have to bow to your superior knowledge of diction and language interpretation as I clearly have no idea what the point of your post is.
Let's make it more clear then :
- You wrote "That behaviour, morally, makes anyone who does this a moron"
- Which I "correct" by saying "That behaviour makes you, Suter, consider anyone who does this as a moron".
The point being, that this person is a moron only in your eyes, and can care or not care about it.
The other point being that "moral standards" as general rules of life in society are few and there are also in this game several behaviours for which there is no consense whether it's fair or not. Such as ganking in pvp, buying low/reselling high in trading, joining a started boss fight (aka "leeching" or "helping" depending on PoV) , etc. Ninja'ing nodes is one of those aspects - as this thread illustrates.
Thank you.
But while stating the obvious, of course its in my eyes. I wrote the sentence......
But to correct your post (as we seem to be doing a lot of correcting at the minute.)
I wasn't the only one who mentioned the expression of being a moron or other name so its not 'only my eyes'.
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✭✭✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »It´s the equivalent of taking a parking spot someone else is in the process of backing in to slowly. It´s not punishable by any means. Yet the majority of people will deem you a gigantic egomanic moron for doing it. It´s antisocial.
I like this analogy.
Yes, it's antisocial behaviour, not very nice. But whenever I witness it and it ends up in both drivers throwing insults at each other in the street, I think they're both to blame for much ado about nothing.
It's even more ridiculous if there are plenty of other parking spaces around (which is the case with nodes in ESO).
That´s one of the problems of todays political correctness safespace society. It fails to regulate antisocial behavior because it assumes everyone would care. People that don´t care about others also don´t care about social pressure and acting according to social norms.
You have to speak their "language" to make them understand - which the game sadly does not allow you to do in an appropriate manner.
Funny thing is i was never talking about nodes. I was talking about IC trapchests that have NPCs directly linked to them and yet still other players can steal the chest from you without fighting those npcs while the game still locks you in combat.
It´s putting every argument of npcs not being linked to nodes ad absurdum - because in this very case the npcs are linked to the chest. You have to fight them to loot the chest if you´re alone. The only way to avoid it is exploiting someone else to fight the npcs and looting the chest while the game does not let them do that because of the unresponsive in/out of combat system.<Noricum>
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✭✭✭✭✭I wasn't the only one who mentioned the expression of being a moron or other name so its not 'only my eyes'.
Check back, there's at least 7 pages of others doing the same thing
... and there are just as many people who consider this fair gaming, so yeah, there is simply no general agreement.
That's normal in my humble opinion, happens all the time. What disturbs me more is your apparent unwillingness to even consider the other side's point of view, which you tend to set aside by either not even reading them, or labeling them as "excuses", replacing your subjective opinion as an absolute truth.
That said, I understand both sides here. What I don't get is how it is that "important" when there are so many nodes available in a huge Tamriel.
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✭Looks to me like all the people defending node poaching would be just fine with getting kicked from a group and getting the 15 minute penalty, because it's not their dungeon.
Maybe the rest of us should take notes on these names, so as to show our displeasure with those who lack consideration for others.
@STEVIL seems particularly interested in concocting rigged scenarios to try and cover a lack of consideration. 2 people are running toward 1 chest, with ogres there. One person fights the ogres, the node poacher waits till then to avoid the chest guards and poached the chest.
It's a matter of one person sacrificing the other to get the node. Morally, not unlike when Shane shot Otis, sacrificing Otis for himself.
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✭✭✭✭✭Whippersnappers. Back in my day, stealing kills, nodes or loot in multiplayer games was considered rude, no matter if it was against the rules or not.
We also had to climb the Red Mountain upwards both ways without shoes carrying Dunmer slavers on our backs.Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
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✭✭✭✭✭That´s one of the problems of todays political correctness safespace society. It fails to regulate antisocial behavior because it assumes everyone would care. People that don´t care about others also don´t care about social pressure and acting according to social norms.
You have to speak their "language" to make them understand - which the game sadly does not allow you to do in an appropriate manner.
I get your point. Interesting conversation, but that would be too big a debate I guess...
Without minimizing anything, I still consider ESO as a video game and thus try to not import/let important matters into it. That said, your opinion that antisocial ingame behaviour reflects RL antisocial behaviour is probably true. I just don't think an MMO is the right place to fight for more social behaviour.Funny thing is i was never talking about nodes. I was talking about IC trapchests that have NPCs directly linked to them and yet still other players can steal the chest from you without fighting those npcs while the game still locks you in combat.
The thread in general refers to crafting nodes, thus I refer to them. IC is a completely different story, it looks like it's been especially designed to encourage griefing and agressivity. The chests being a good example of it. I still enjoy playing in it, but IF AND ONLY IF I have turned off chat and set my personal sensitivity to absolutely not expect any kind of social behaviour in there, from anyone. IC is a battlefield, a no-law-land, and that's it. Some people enjoy it for that, other people loathe it for that.
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✭✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
People are not playing blindly by the rules, they're just not playing by your personal rules. It's great that people have personal rules that they follow, but one can hardly expect others to do so, let alone start calling others full of feces just because they don't follow your rules.Lava_Croft wrote: »
This is a weird statement, since judging from your post you actually want people to play by rules not made by them. You want people follow your personal rules regarding resource nodes instead of the general rule that says "it's yours once it's in your inventory".Have you met ppl in IC when you´ve fought all spawns of a trap chest alone and they come and loot your chest?
Some people might say blame the system.
I´m more in favor of still blaming the pile of feces that abuses it. Too many people full of poo poo hide behind the shallow excuse of only playing by the rules not made by them.
Actually no - i´m only saying playing by the rules blindly without taking other people into consideration makes you an ***.
I´m also stating this specific example as there is no way to actually avoid fighting those NPCs (edit: well there is one - you just have to wait for an idiot to fight them for you - ) as they´re directly linked to the chest - but the reward is not linked to them. Which is contrary to how resource nodes work (they don´t have NPCs linked to them).
By this logic, one could say that running multiple high damage proc sets on your StamNB is not taking other people into consideration, which would make you full of feces. Yet it's not, since this is just the way the game is set up.
No-one can argue that the 'rules' don't allow node ninja's to come in and steal something a player is working towards getting. I don't see any post from anyone stating the opposite of that. Its accepted.
The point we/some are are trying to make is that morally, it makes you a moron. All the arguments ive seen keep coming back to game mechanics. No -one seems to be able to justify or debate a valid point on not being the moron, and judging by the 7 pages of debate from both sides, its a subject that affects a lot of players that they feel strongly about. It therefore cannot be swept away as 'mechanic's so get over it'
First, the one throwing around "makes you a moron" is likely not the one who should be waiving the "morally" flag in a discussion.
Second, moron is a derogatory in connotation descriptive term about intelligence. it has no relationship to "morality." You can be a moron and have integrity and be moral or you can be a genius and be/have neither.
So really saying "morally it make you a moron" is kind of like saying "mass-wise it makes you plaid."
it is funny tho that you think 7 forum pages means it involves a lot of players.
@STEVIL Stevil, Every post I read of yours seem to want to argue. Even if you have no point to prove you still find a way to argue about it.
You then reply 3 TIMES quoting me in as many posts. Its verging on stalking and a little unnerving.
However, I will admit to not even reading 99% of your post as I lose interest after the 1st line.
Your ‘justification‘ remains weak and again referring to game mechanics. You then even try and detract the subject by dissecting the term ‘moron’ which ironically does the opposite.Lava_Croft wrote: »
People are not playing blindly by the rules, they're just not playing by your personal rules. It's great that people have personal rules that they follow, but one can hardly expect others to do so, let alone start calling others full of feces just because they don't follow your rules.Lava_Croft wrote: »
This is a weird statement, since judging from your post you actually want people to play by rules not made by them. You want people follow your personal rules regarding resource nodes instead of the general rule that says "it's yours once it's in your inventory".Have you met ppl in IC when you´ve fought all spawns of a trap chest alone and they come and loot your chest?
Some people might say blame the system.
I´m more in favor of still blaming the pile of feces that abuses it. Too many people full of poo poo hide behind the shallow excuse of only playing by the rules not made by them.
Actually no - i´m only saying playing by the rules blindly without taking other people into consideration makes you an ***.
I´m also stating this specific example as there is no way to actually avoid fighting those NPCs (edit: well there is one - you just have to wait for an idiot to fight them for you - ) as they´re directly linked to the chest - but the reward is not linked to them. Which is contrary to how resource nodes work (they don´t have NPCs linked to them).
By this logic, one could say that running multiple high damage proc sets on your StamNB is not taking other people into consideration, which would make you full of feces. Yet it's not, since this is just the way the game is set up.
No-one can argue that the 'rules' don't allow node ninja's to come in and steal something a player is working towards getting. I don't see any post from anyone stating the opposite of that. Its accepted.
The point we/some are are trying to make is that morally, it makes you a moron. All the arguments ive seen keep coming back to game mechanics. No -one seems to be able to justify or debate a valid point on not being the moron, and judging by the 7 pages of debate from both sides, its a subject that affects a lot of players that they feel strongly about. It therefore cannot be swept away as 'mechanic's so get over it'
First, the one throwing around "makes you a moron" is likely not the one who should be waiving the "morally" flag in a discussion.
Second, moron is a derogatory in connotation descriptive term about intelligence. it has no relationship to "morality." You can be a moron and have integrity and be moral or you can be a genius and be/have neither.
So really saying "morally it make you a moron" is kind of like saying "mass-wise it makes you plaid."
it is funny tho that you think 7 forum pages means it involves a lot of players.
@STEVIL Stevil, Every post I read of yours seem to want to argue. Even if you have no point to prove you still find a way to argue about it.
You then reply 3 TIMES quoting me in as many posts. Its verging on stalking and a little unnerving.
However, I will admit to not even reading 99% of your post as I lose interest after the 1st line.
Your ‘justification‘ remains weak and again referring to game mechanics. You then even try and detract the subject by dissecting the term ‘moron’ which ironically does the opposite.
If you think its funny that this topic has reached 7 pages then please go back to the line above this and re-evaluate things.
One makes three posts.
Someone responds to three posts.
One muses it may be stalking and unnerving.
not surprising at all given belief in pre-get-node-entitlement.
then we have this:
You respond "If you think its funny that this topic has reached 7 pages then please go back to the line above this and re-evaluate things." to my saying "it is funny tho that you think 7 forum pages means it involves a lot of players"
Also telling.
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✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »DurzoBlint13 wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »DurzoBlint13 wrote: »you never farmed Craglorn before 1T did you? This is nothing new and certainly not because of the Orsinium event. It happens all of the time and has happened since launch. It has only gotten worse since 1T because of the greater availability of top end nodes.
Unless I'm missing something, it seems that top tiers node being available all over Tamriel makes farmers spread much more over far more space, thus reducing this sort of competition. In my humble opinion, the current tensions are caused by the Orsinium event and are mainly restricted to this zone.
at least on ps4/NA the greater availability has led to greater number of farmers. Between the Halloween event, overworld set drops, Orsinium event, and the fact that Temps are going for prices almost double what they were previously (on ps4/NA) the shear volume of farmers I see had tripled.
Thanks for the info. On PC/EU frankly I don't experience this anywhere outside Wrothgar. Everywhere else is pretty comfortable to farm - and even the eternal hollow city battlefield is more quiet (since the introduction of Tel Var Alchemy satchels). Regardless, I think things will calm down once people have made up their minds and choices within all the new sets of One Tamriel, and geared the alts they leveled during the witches' festival.
Agree not seeing more crowded harvesting myself outside of event zones. Much the opposite on PC NA.
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✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
i'll have to bow to your superior knowledge of diction and language interpretation as I clearly have no idea what the point of your post is.
Let's make it more clear then :
- You wrote "That behaviour, morally, makes anyone who does this a moron"
- Which I "correct" by saying "That behaviour makes you, Suter, consider anyone who does this as a moron".
The point being, that this person is a moron only in your eyes, and can care or not care about it.
The other point being that "moral standards" as general rules of life in society are few and there are also in this game several behaviours for which there is no consense whether it's fair or not. Such as ganking in pvp, buying low/reselling high in trading, joining a started boss fight (aka "leeching" or "helping" depending on PoV) , etc. Ninja'ing nodes is one of those aspects - as this thread illustrates.
Thank you.
But while stating the obvious, of course its in my eyes. I wrote the sentence......
But to correct your post (as we seem to be doing a lot of correcting at the minute.)
I wasn't the only one who mentioned the expression of being a moron or other name so its not 'only my eyes'.
Check back, there's at least 7 pages of others doing the same thing
You are correct. you are not the only one calling folks morons or other such names over this. name calling and derogatory terms towards a group seem to be rife thru this discussion. you were not the first nor likely the last.
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Soundwave✭✭✭I find it hilarious when I am farming and someone sees me coming and sprints for that one node. Right next that node is six more different ones and they just run away.0