Other players pinching your mats/runes

Suter1972

So im farming in Ors and literally just running from one end of map to the other, picking up mats and runes. Its clear others are out farming too as theres quite a few people around.

I eventually get into the wilderness, away from wayshrines and I spot a runestone. Its surrounded by spiders. I go over and half way through the fight with the spiders (im literally stood over the rune), some other player literally runs up to the runestone and nicks them while im fighting the spiders over the top of them and unable to collect. 3 minutes later ive found a new mat/rune and the same player does it again!

Ive had this multiple times in the last few days, across anything from ruby ash to ancestor to runes. Some players simply don’t give a hoot. Ive even factored in they may not realise im there for the mat/rune. Maybe its just me, as id always back off if saw someone else on their way to collect something.

Im now left with the quandary, do I do the same to others and wait for them to engage the mob before going in and nicking the item

pattyLtd

I'm like you i even just run by nodes when another player is coming towards my direction so they can get it.
I just assume the players you mentioned are kids that still have alot to learn or unaware.
Either way it's not a big deal but it is slightly annoying sometimes.

redspecter23

This is an issue with aggro mechanics in this game. It's shady, but certainly not against the terms of service. I typically just ignore nodes that have mobs around and save the headache. Even if you kill them nearly instantly, there is some ridiculous cooldown before you're out of combat and can actually loot the node. That is something ZoS should look into as that's extremely frustrating standing by a node waiting for my combat cooldown to end and someone else without that silly restriction can come up and loot the node freely.

rootimus

Your excesive use of "literally" aside, they're obviously not your nodes as the other players got to them first.

Knootewoot

Most players run around like chicken without a head, not paying attention. I doubt they do it on purpose. It's because of this event.

I also accidently looted a chest where another player was first. I just did not see him as I ran in blinding speed in cloak across the map. As soon I was near the chest I used it and then you only see the lockpick system. When I was done lewting a player spammed light attacks fireballs at me and called me some names.

I apologized but that didn't help.

But since the event doesn't last long I expect more headless guys running around until the event ends.

when it ends I go back to Cyrodill for harvesting since there is an abundance there and drops more then PvE land.

Caff32

Let's assume for a moment that when you're farming mats that some nodes are actually "your" nodes not just nodes in the world without ownership. In ESO there is a guild for Thieves. The game has an entire DLC dedicated to stealing. You might say the game encourages it. That being said, when someone "steals" your node, don't get mad. Instead you should laugh and say "You scamp!" then compliment them on their role playing.

Rune_Relic

When exploration conflicts with combat.

I would say add a node tag that locks them...but then you would have 'that guy' that would tag all nodes and then go and collect at leisure holding everyone else up.

So you speed up the respawn timer...then people will just wait at the same node instead of moving around.

Perhaps a 10s lock-tag could work....but the coding involved might be not worth the effort.
And would it be bot proof ?

Perhaps people in combat can place at mine at the local node.
Anyone out of combat gets blown up trying to use the node.

kevlarto_ESO

Yea I have had a couple of players swipe the node while I am fighting on the node, not cool, when they try it again I cloak up an run off leaving them the mobs to contend with, I had some player follow me like a lost puppy one day had no idea what they thought they were doing.

I share the nodes give way to the closer player, there are plenty of them out there no need to be a butt about it.

Then you have those players that leave just the TA or crawlers in nodes, that's silly because that node will not respawn so the person doing that is hurting themselves to, take it all or take nothing please

BlanketFort

It is annoying, but I just shrug it off. As someone mentioned, I doubt it is always intentional. I, too, have accidentally "nicked" a node, or two, due to my lack of awareness at that moment.
Sometimes, I also forget to hold block when soloing a boss (the few that can be soloed) as a player approaches, so they can get a couple of hits in, because I was too focused on not dying.

AzuraKin

or maybe until you pick it up, its anyones. and to be frank, if you cannot look around and say no ones here run up kill adds take node, you gotta a lot of work on your build. specially spiders as spiders should die in less then 5s.

anitajoneb17_ESO

Suter1972 wrote: »

do I do the same to others and wait for them to engage the mob before going in and nicking the item

That's up to you.
Disrespect and carelessness tend to spread like wildfire because "someone did it to us, so we can do it to others".

That being said, don't overrate such behaviour and don't overreact to it. Enough nodes for everyone. That sort of "node war" you're describing is also considered by some (including myself) as a little "game" that makes farming a little bit more spicy.

Also, sometimes, we farm in pre defined routines like automatons, and not notice that someone else is fighting mobs, presumably for the node. We just go for the node as part of our routine, rather brainless and unaware.

elantaura

Bring a kick ass DPS, look about before you engage mob , you need time to kill but also that moment cool down. Before it lets you loot ( that's the moment I get got) if there are lots of people around ignore the node.
That does not mean you take it when someone else is doing it, you can be a better person than that. But it's not worth the fact you will wish they let you gank someone in pve kind of feeling you will get when someone chooses to be a real "male spawnof a female canine" about it.

Dasovaruilos

If you are a templar, try throwing Shards on top of the resource before killing the mobs.

I noticed that the color and animation of the shards hide the glowing of the resources pretty well. So, unless someone has spotted the resources before you get there, you can at least hide it a little bit against other players that want to do that.

I also just stand right on top of the resource while fighting.

Sometimes a random still goes and picks it up, but is much rarer.

runagate

It's annoying but I don't farm so I rarely encounter it. I graciously share anything that's around. I've noticed the same thing happening at dolmens a lot recently. Some level 18 person coming up to get all the pinions without contributing to the fight. I back away and watch them die horribly slowly shooting light bow attacks at a boss. I'm not even after pinions but I guarantee they don't get that last pinion.

It's not against the ToS nor should it be a big deal to you. But every single person who justifies this behavior, whether as not against the rules or as RPing should be muted and ostracized by everyone, forever. If you show your true colors others will take note, and that includes all the *** here on the forums. If you're knowingly griefing someone over some stupid little node don't expect to be grouped with anyone decent at endgame.

Loc2262

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

We just go for the node as part of our routine, rather brainless and unaware.

I quite agree with that. The other day I had a similar experience while grinding XP with a friend at Auridon's South Beacon. I was happily killing mobs (rather quickly with my stamblade) when suddenly I received a whisp from some player in the area, rather rudely calling me names. I was like, "What's wrong?" and he asked why I wouldn't let him kill some mobs too.

I proceeded to explain he just needed a few hits to get the XP, and invited him to the grinding group. Turned out he just had a bad day and was frustrated about his RL girlfriend.

Abeille

Some people have no class.

danno8

2004 called, it wants it's thread back.

Seriously though, it's impolite (when done purposely), but there is nothing to be done.

Move on, don't get worked up over it.

Runs

Something I posted in another thread on the same subject....

Runs wrote: »

I really don't care if someone takes "my" nodes. I don't, or try not to, take anyone else's...

I would like to point out though, I do see an over abundance of people attacking monsters they don't need to before going to a node. Many times you can get the node either being completely unseen, or only being seen while grabbing it but still being able to get it before they hit. This is one of the reasons that I really don't care if someone "stole" a node. I think some people intentionally do crap like that just so they can whine in zone or on the forums.

Andohir

I do not "steal" any nodes when I'm aware of other players nearby, even fighting mobs. I usually wait a few seconds if the player is interested in the node or not.

What bothers me more is when I stand in front of a chest and need to destroy an item, when within these seconds another player just loots it. It doesn't happen often, but often enough.
This also happened to me in the starting area (pre 1T) when I played ESO just a few hours - but that player was unexpectedly nice and sent me a letter with the looted item few minutes later, explaining that she/he forgot to assume I was just destroying an item and apologized for "stealing".

What bothers me the most: leaving low level items and especially picklocks in several types of crates, urnes, etc so they don't respawn their content or leaving lures only in plant nodes. Imo picklocks should be abandoned from vessels - make them buyable from npcs and findable in thieves boxes only.

lohworm

Caff32 wrote: »

Let's assume for a moment that when you're farming mats that some nodes are actually "your" nodes not just nodes in the world without ownership. In ESO there is a guild for Thieves. The game has an entire DLC dedicated to stealing. You might say the game encourages it. That being said, when someone "steals" your node, don't get mad. Instead you should laugh and say "You scamp!" then compliment them on their role playing.

I'm not really sure they're roleplaying thieves...
I rather think they have just no fair-play at all...

When I run to a node or a chest, if I see another player running to the same node or chest, even if I may be the first to get on it, I change direction and leave him the loot.
Not because I roleplay a gentleman, but because that's how I play.

It doesn't matter, since it's just a game after all...
But I tend to think they may act the same IRL.

jedtb16_ESO

it is bad manners but nothing get worked up about.

Cherryblossom

letting someone else have the node doesn't give me anything! I don't get your point.

AzuraKin

the point is, people dont like free markets anymore. they want a heavily regulated environment where their self-interests are protected from smarter, faster members of the market.

Asardes

It's a multiplayer game. It will happen. No need to get upset about it. Just move on. Farming mats is a waste of time in the long run anyway. They are cheap as dust now and doing writs nets more tempers overall.

AzuraKin

Asardes wrote: »

It's a multiplayer game. It will happen. No need to get upset about it. Just move on. Farming mats is a waste of time in the long run anyway. They are cheap as dust now and doing writs nets more tempers overall.

so what your saying its easier then ever to get temper mats and so we should drop back down to the 2014 prices.

GreenhaloX

Very funny.. how does some "accidentally" grab a node from someone else or not see someone else there first. So, you're saying you can't see a big old figure or toon standing there. Come on, now. True, it is a game and nobody owns any node, but it is just common courtesy. Even the Thieves' Guild have code of conducts; "Honor among thieves." There is no quest or mission to go steal a node or to rob some other's players in ESO. This shite has been happening everyday since day 1. It happened to me oftentimes as well. Plenty of times, players are also using the rapid to speed pass and get to the next node first, and then to the next and so on. Yes, I too shrug it off and move on. I see another going towards it, then I move on or if we both get there, I signal to let that other take it. Also, if I see someone fighting adds or mob by the node, I jump in to help, but then I leave and not go after that node. So many complaining from players on zone chat and other/previous posting on here, it's not stopping those inconsiderate players or making any difference. Whatever.. it is just a game and I move on. Plenty of other nodes around and it quickly respawn.

Lucious90

Welcome to an Open world MMO, I hear Skyrim doesnt have this issue. But on a more serious note, Nodes aren't yours until its in your bags. I've had my fair share swiped from underneath my nose plenty of times and I've swiped nodes from others. Move on there are other nodes out there, no reason to be upset

Lolssi

Some people just have no manners. Even if they're roleplaying.

Asardes

AzuraKin wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

It's a multiplayer game. It will happen. No need to get upset about it. Just move on. Farming mats is a waste of time in the long run anyway. They are cheap as dust now and doing writs nets more tempers overall.

so what your saying its easier then ever to get temper mats and so we should drop back down to the 2014 prices.

Price is a function of supply and demand. Even if the supply increases, if the demand increases at a greater rate the price is going to increase. Also currency itself can be seen as merchandise against other goods. If the supply of gold is high, there can be price increases of a purely inflationary nature even without a change in supply and demand. I wasn't in the game in 2014 so I don't know what the prices were back then, but the game population has increased, and there are now more gold sources (ex. thieves guild repeatable quests), while the number of gold sinks has not increased. In fact as the game population matures, some gold sinks (bank upgrades, backpack upgrades for chars, riding lessons) actually decrease. There are probably many players now that have lots of gold and nothing else to spend it on. So they farm and craft sets, then fully upgrade it. In conclusion there are many factors involved, and supply of tempers is just one of them.

AzuraKin

deal with it. this is just part of 1t, now instead of you only competing with other alliance players (heck many zones you could run around farming for mats with no competition, now you have competition in most zones if not all. dont blame the players, blame zos.

STEVIL

Ok so last time I checked this game had tons of resources keyed to fighting and beating content. The most common is the glow corpse that drops stuff that only is available to those who hurt the target.

Last time I checked they also had tons of resources not at all related to killing that go to the first to access them. Some of those have locks where even if first if you fail the pick others get a window to try.

So this notion that combat makes all resources your owned property and others fulfilling the access it first are stealing is just flawed.

You don't get to claim every resource node in sight just because you fought a daggerback. Really, your heroic vanquish of the daggerback does not mean that columbine patch at the edge of your keen eye glow is magically yours.

Nor does your awesomely incredible death match against spiders grant you sole rights to the runestone.

The game is designed to have different ways to get different resources. Some ARE get by combat. Some arent. Some are basically first access, a race. Some arent.

We have had threads where folks walked up to two resources, started one and gripes that while they were picking the lock others stole the runes next to it.

Oh well...