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Vote kick feature is being seriously abused...
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Nocturnalan✭✭✭Did you just assume my intentions?Templar Healer PVP/PVE
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✭WhitePawPrints wrote: »Stopnaggin wrote: »Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »WhitePawPrints wrote: »We have the RIGHT to choose who we want to play with and who we don't want to play with. That simple. We shouldn't be FORCED to play with whoever is just there.
No one is saying that you are forced to play with people you don't want to play with, so you can CHOOSE to leave that group, and find a group you would like to play with.
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The entire group can also CHOOSE to kick the 4th person. ZOS gave us the power and the right to do so by popular vote.
Exactly.
And that's all fine and friggin dandy, but should the person the majority kicked be punished? Where is the others players CHOICE? Sit for 15 minutes and possibly get kicked again. This makes no sense.
If the player gets kicked over and over again, obvisouly they are not what people are looking for when using group finder, so maybe they should gear up/level up/git gud etc.
Majority votes, if everyone feels the same way, the person kicked is not a victim.
Huh, who knew that the victims of being lynched back in the 60's were not victims.
This relates to ESO how?~ Gryphon Heart ~
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WhitePawPrints✭✭✭✭✭
✭WhitePawPrints wrote: »Stopnaggin wrote: »Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »WhitePawPrints wrote: »We have the RIGHT to choose who we want to play with and who we don't want to play with. That simple. We shouldn't be FORCED to play with whoever is just there.
No one is saying that you are forced to play with people you don't want to play with, so you can CHOOSE to leave that group, and find a group you would like to play with.
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The entire group can also CHOOSE to kick the 4th person. ZOS gave us the power and the right to do so by popular vote.
Exactly.
And that's all fine and friggin dandy, but should the person the majority kicked be punished? Where is the others players CHOICE? Sit for 15 minutes and possibly get kicked again. This makes no sense.
If the player gets kicked over and over again, obvisouly they are not what people are looking for when using group finder, so maybe they should gear up/level up/git gud etc.
Majority votes, if everyone feels the same way, the person kicked is not a victim.
Huh, who knew that the victims of being lynched back in the 60's were not victims.
This relates to ESO how?
That just because a majority agrees on an issue, that does not make it the right decision, nor does it make those who are victims of that decision non-victims.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Nocturnalan wrote: »Did you just assume my intentions?
No, I assumed your intestines. They're over there, on the crow caller.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »Also I dont use group finder, its full of gunk. I just like the idea of others being able to play how they want and to vote for it. If this thread was about 100000000CP players being kicked from groups of 3x 50CP players because they wanted to move fast in the dungeon and not go slower I would also be on the side of the majority who chose to kick someone because they are the majority in that situation.
[Edit to remove insulting content]
Hate to break it to you, but players at level cap are never the majority in a healthy MMO.
Yeah, I know, the majority in the group. But, the entire reason this degenerates into a discussion about elitism is the 561s that engage in this behavior against anyone they perceive as inferior. They're not the majority, just the handful that ended up with the authority to do this in one specific case.4 -
mrdankles✭✭✭I only get mad and vote to kick low cp when you get that cp110 in a veteran dungeon who gets 1 shotted..over and over. Or the guy who thinks he's a dps/healer hybrid who dies before anyone else.0
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Fallen_Ray✭✭✭✭✭We have the RIGHT to choose who we want to play with and who we don't want to play with. That simple. We shouldn't be FORCED to play with whoever is just there.
You're definitely right. You have the right to choose. That's why you have the option of running with people you already know instead of randoms.
You can't choose chocolate only from a random candy dispenser that has multiple outcomes. You can't choose players from the activity finder, grouping is done based on which role the group is missing.Edited by Fallen_Ray on November 15, 2016 8:20PM"Dear brother, I do not spread rumors, I create them"- Lucien Lachance3 -
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✭WhitePawPrints wrote: »WhitePawPrints wrote: »Stopnaggin wrote: »Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »WhitePawPrints wrote: »We have the RIGHT to choose who we want to play with and who we don't want to play with. That simple. We shouldn't be FORCED to play with whoever is just there.
No one is saying that you are forced to play with people you don't want to play with, so you can CHOOSE to leave that group, and find a group you would like to play with.
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The entire group can also CHOOSE to kick the 4th person. ZOS gave us the power and the right to do so by popular vote.
Exactly.
And that's all fine and friggin dandy, but should the person the majority kicked be punished? Where is the others players CHOICE? Sit for 15 minutes and possibly get kicked again. This makes no sense.
If the player gets kicked over and over again, obvisouly they are not what people are looking for when using group finder, so maybe they should gear up/level up/git gud etc.
Majority votes, if everyone feels the same way, the person kicked is not a victim.
Huh, who knew that the victims of being lynched back in the 60's were not victims.
This relates to ESO how?
That just because a majority agrees on an issue, that does not make it the right decision, nor does it make those who are victims of that decision non-victims.
In this case it does.
Do you honesty think that the majority of the party, in this case 3 other players, should adapt their playstyle, spend extra time doing something, and probably carry you, just because your feeling would be hurt otherwise?~ Gryphon Heart ~
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✭So don't use the group finder. You can choose however you want play, but you're also wasting people's time. If you don't like PUGs, don't PUG. How hard is this concept. Why make it all about you?1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭WhitePawPrints wrote: »WhitePawPrints wrote: »Stopnaggin wrote: »Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »WhitePawPrints wrote: »We have the RIGHT to choose who we want to play with and who we don't want to play with. That simple. We shouldn't be FORCED to play with whoever is just there.
No one is saying that you are forced to play with people you don't want to play with, so you can CHOOSE to leave that group, and find a group you would like to play with.
.
The entire group can also CHOOSE to kick the 4th person. ZOS gave us the power and the right to do so by popular vote.
Exactly.
And that's all fine and friggin dandy, but should the person the majority kicked be punished? Where is the others players CHOICE? Sit for 15 minutes and possibly get kicked again. This makes no sense.
If the player gets kicked over and over again, obvisouly they are not what people are looking for when using group finder, so maybe they should gear up/level up/git gud etc.
Majority votes, if everyone feels the same way, the person kicked is not a victim.
Huh, who knew that the victims of being lynched back in the 60's were not victims.
This relates to ESO how?
That just because a majority agrees on an issue, that does not make it the right decision, nor does it make those who are victims of that decision non-victims.
In this case it does.
Do you honesty think that the majority of the party, in this case 3 other players, should adapt their playstyle, spend extra time doing something, and probably carry you, just because your feeling would be hurt otherwise?
I honestly think, in the majority of cases like this, you're looking at 3 other players who can't actually carry their own weight, and are relying on hitting the content overleveled to pass. When presented with the threat of actually having to run the content as intended, they vote to kick in a quick tantrum, and wait for someone they hope can carry them through.5 -
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✭WhitePawPrints wrote: »WhitePawPrints wrote: »Stopnaggin wrote: »Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »WhitePawPrints wrote: »We have the RIGHT to choose who we want to play with and who we don't want to play with. That simple. We shouldn't be FORCED to play with whoever is just there.
No one is saying that you are forced to play with people you don't want to play with, so you can CHOOSE to leave that group, and find a group you would like to play with.
.
The entire group can also CHOOSE to kick the 4th person. ZOS gave us the power and the right to do so by popular vote.
Exactly.
And that's all fine and friggin dandy, but should the person the majority kicked be punished? Where is the others players CHOICE? Sit for 15 minutes and possibly get kicked again. This makes no sense.
If the player gets kicked over and over again, obvisouly they are not what people are looking for when using group finder, so maybe they should gear up/level up/git gud etc.
Majority votes, if everyone feels the same way, the person kicked is not a victim.
Huh, who knew that the victims of being lynched back in the 60's were not victims.
This relates to ESO how?
That just because a majority agrees on an issue, that does not make it the right decision, nor does it make those who are victims of that decision non-victims.
In this case it does.
Do you honesty think that the majority of the party, in this case 3 other players, should adapt their playstyle, spend extra time doing something, and probably carry you, just because your feeling would be hurt otherwise?
No, there is no requirement that you are FORCED to play with someone you do not want to. I am repeating myself at this point: You chose to use the group finder, that chooses a random player. If you want specifications, then use Zone chat, Guild or Friend list to find a player to meet your specifications. Otherwise, you chose to have someone random. If they are bad, then kick them by all means! But CP and Level does not determine if they are good or bad. In the case of kicking before seeing a player's ability, it is not the "right" to make that prejudice judgement.
Or.... OR! Have a discussion on the forum threads of what you would like changed to the group finder to add specifications to the menu to avoid being grouped with someone you don't want to play with - rather than get so butt hurt that people disagree with wanton kicking due to prejudices.Edited by WhitePawPrints on November 15, 2016 8:26PM2 -
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✭✭We have the RIGHT to choose who we want to play with and who we don't want to play with. That simple. We shouldn't be FORCED to play with whoever is just there.
Putting you into a group with "whoever is just there" is literally the purpose of the group finder.Ilsabet Menard - DC Breton Nightblade archer - Savior of Pretty Much Everything, Grand Overlord & Empress Nubcakes
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✭WhitePawPrints wrote: »Stopnaggin wrote: »Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »WhitePawPrints wrote: »We have the RIGHT to choose who we want to play with and who we don't want to play with. That simple. We shouldn't be FORCED to play with whoever is just there.
No one is saying that you are forced to play with people you don't want to play with, so you can CHOOSE to leave that group, and find a group you would like to play with.
.
The entire group can also CHOOSE to kick the 4th person. ZOS gave us the power and the right to do so by popular vote.
Exactly.
And that's all fine and friggin dandy, but should the person the majority kicked be punished? Where is the others players CHOICE? Sit for 15 minutes and possibly get kicked again. This makes no sense.
If the player gets kicked over and over again, obvisouly they are not what people are looking for when using group finder, so maybe they should gear up/level up/git gud etc.
Majority votes, if everyone feels the same way, the person kicked is not a victim.
Huh, who knew that the victims of being lynched back in the 60's were not victims.
If a person is repeatedly kicked for proving to be insufficient in their role throughout dungeons, then agreed. The problem is kicking on the prejudice of that a person's # next to their name determines their skill. To avoid this, changes have been suggested to implement a CP check, or to set limitations to the kicking system.
Just saying... you not only a few pages back told me I took the game too serious because of something petty like wanting to save time or something.. now you just compared grouping to a hate crime that involves someone being killed..
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✭Try the old system then where only crown can kick and there was no vote.PS4 NA
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✭✭✭✭✭You know, nothing stops you from posting in zone "(insert your CP and role) LF3M (desired CP range and roles) pst"
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✭✭✭✭✭ChandraNalaar wrote: »This thread has devolved so quickly, it's almost impressive.
Pretty much this.
This issue is largely exasserbated because of One Tam's effect on group content (IE, puting the onus on DPS and all that). Once it's tweaked (If it ever is) I think we'll see this go away.
Until then...well, I believe I've posted my thoughts on this thread before.0 -
WhitePawPrints✭✭✭✭✭
✭Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »WhitePawPrints wrote: »Stopnaggin wrote: »Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »WhitePawPrints wrote: »We have the RIGHT to choose who we want to play with and who we don't want to play with. That simple. We shouldn't be FORCED to play with whoever is just there.
No one is saying that you are forced to play with people you don't want to play with, so you can CHOOSE to leave that group, and find a group you would like to play with.
.
The entire group can also CHOOSE to kick the 4th person. ZOS gave us the power and the right to do so by popular vote.
Exactly.
And that's all fine and friggin dandy, but should the person the majority kicked be punished? Where is the others players CHOICE? Sit for 15 minutes and possibly get kicked again. This makes no sense.
If the player gets kicked over and over again, obvisouly they are not what people are looking for when using group finder, so maybe they should gear up/level up/git gud etc.
Majority votes, if everyone feels the same way, the person kicked is not a victim.
Huh, who knew that the victims of being lynched back in the 60's were not victims.
If a person is repeatedly kicked for proving to be insufficient in their role throughout dungeons, then agreed. The problem is kicking on the prejudice of that a person's # next to their name determines their skill. To avoid this, changes have been suggested to implement a CP check, or to set limitations to the kicking system.
Just saying... you not only a few pages back told me I took the game too serious because of something petty like wanting to save time or something.. now you just compared grouping to a hate crime that involves someone being killed..
Translation of quote: "I have failed to uphold any type of argument, so now I'll make meaningless gestures for no purpose other than to irk those who I disagree with."
Taking a serious example to make a point is.... You know what, I cannot teach idiots to use their brains. Do not respond to my comments and I will not respond to yours.Edited by WhitePawPrints on November 15, 2016 9:01PM2 -
AuldWolf✭✭✭✭✭This thread shows an underlying issue with the game. Remove the underlying issue and the problem goes away. The issue isn't that you're getting kicked, the issue is that the game is inviting a sort of elitism which entitled players to be able to kick you. The problem isn't even with the vote kick system itself, the problem is with the hardcore element and high CP parts of the game. I'd say that this could probably be fixed just by removing CP and making the level cap of 50 a hard cap, from there only sideways progression can happen.
This grind through 'champion points' will only alienate millions upon millions who'd otherwise play the game, anyway, frankly. The reason Guild Wars did so well for nearly a decade after its release is because it had a hard cap of level 20, which it never went beyond. It was, perhaps, outside of WoW one of the most popular MMORPG-type games. It also showed that removing the grind and the hardcore element actually made for a better community and a more sustainable game with a longer lifespan to it.
Just provide sideways progression instead of a constant, upward grind that invites meta elitism.2 -
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✭✭✭I'm a returning player and I've been running / tanking quite a bit of Vet dungeons lately (always using party finder because I don't know anyone in-game) i.e. daily pledges, random vet daily for undaunted supplies. I have about ~130 CP's since I haven't played since CP's were first introduced a year and a half-ish ago; I crafted myself a set of 5/5 Hist Bark and 4/5 Shalidor's Curse.
Anyways, more often lately I will join a group and sometimes it feels like IMMEDIATELY I get kicked before I can even enter the dungeon. It's been happening often enough that I screenshot the names of the group members so I can inquire why, I had someone tell me yesterday "i don't want to #$&* around with low CP players" honestly I reported him for harassment because the reason was BS and it locks me out of party finder for 15 minutes.
I would do /zone but now I'm worried I'll never get picked up because of my "low CP" even though I've been tanking Vet bosses just fine and have tanked a few of the HM Vet bosses (I think that's what they're called now, the one where people read that scroll before the fight). But these people just judge me based on CP without seeing me in action. I also run with really nice "high CP" people (luckily more often than the rude people) who are real friendly.
I just think there needs to be some kind of punishment for people that knee-jerk instant kick people like that because of the amount of CP they have. Maybe I'm part of some crazy minority here but last I checked ESO characters aren't just "born" with 500 CP when an account is made. I guess I'm just supposed to stay out of anything content related until I have 1000 CP's as to not ruffle the feathers of these big-shot players.
Sorry for the rant, and to the nice players with or without high CP that have dungeon crawled with me, thank you.
I know this guild may not be for everyone but at least give it a try. I think we have 330 members and I've never been kicked from a group or have heard anyone getting kicked from the group
forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/283173/friendly-dungeon-runners-looking-for-trial-runners/p1
Edited by vamp_emily on November 15, 2016 9:15PM
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Hortator Indoril Nerevar✭✭✭✭✭
✭WhitePawPrints wrote: »Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »WhitePawPrints wrote: »Stopnaggin wrote: »Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »WhitePawPrints wrote: »We have the RIGHT to choose who we want to play with and who we don't want to play with. That simple. We shouldn't be FORCED to play with whoever is just there.
No one is saying that you are forced to play with people you don't want to play with, so you can CHOOSE to leave that group, and find a group you would like to play with.
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The entire group can also CHOOSE to kick the 4th person. ZOS gave us the power and the right to do so by popular vote.
Exactly.
And that's all fine and friggin dandy, but should the person the majority kicked be punished? Where is the others players CHOICE? Sit for 15 minutes and possibly get kicked again. This makes no sense.
If the player gets kicked over and over again, obvisouly they are not what people are looking for when using group finder, so maybe they should gear up/level up/git gud etc.
Majority votes, if everyone feels the same way, the person kicked is not a victim.
Huh, who knew that the victims of being lynched back in the 60's were not victims.
If a person is repeatedly kicked for proving to be insufficient in their role throughout dungeons, then agreed. The problem is kicking on the prejudice of that a person's # next to their name determines their skill. To avoid this, changes have been suggested to implement a CP check, or to set limitations to the kicking system.
Just saying... you not only a few pages back told me I took the game too serious because of something petty like wanting to save time or something.. now you just compared grouping to a hate crime that involves someone being killed..
Translation of quote: "I have failed to uphold any type of argument, so now I'll make meaningless gestures for no purpose other than to irk those who I disagree with."
Taking a serious example to make a point is.... You know what, I cannot teach idiots to use their brains. Do not respond to my comments and I will not respond to yours.
Im posting meaningless things? You just related a terrible hate crime murder to grouping problems lol.
"You know what, I cannot teach idiots to use their brains." oh no OHHHH no be very careful you are starting to sound like us elitist who kick people.
Point proven by you unintentionally. Ill take my trophy plex forums.2 -
schroed360✭✭✭Valen_Byte wrote: »Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »Valen_Byte wrote: »I said this in another thread...Ill say it again here....
I don't use group finder. Never have. But I do have a strong opinion on this issue.
If you are using the random group finder to join a group, there should be no option to kick anyone.
If you are a leet dungeon runner, who doesn't want to risk grouping with someone who is not leet...don't use the group finder. You leets need to join a leet dungeon guild so you can run with your leet buddies and have all the leet fun you want.
You cant expect to have a leet group using a tool that is designed to put random ass people together. So sick of hearing about people getting kicked out of groups for their lvl or gear of CP. You people who do that should not use the group finder.
If you are a bad dungeon runner, who doesnt want to risk grouping and annoying decent players who are decent and dont want to waste time... dont use the group finder. Your bad skill needs to learn to play so you dont waste peoples time. Maybe stay solo and have all the solo fun you want.
You cant expect to have a good group using a tool that is designed to save time and not make a 10 minute run turn into a two hour run. Im so sick of hearing about people joining groups and expecting to be carried and waste peoples time. You people who do that should not use group finder.
Almost clever.
Just in case you are assuming that I dont cant run a dungeon, I can, and do. I don't use the finder because I just don't have too.
That tool didn't even work for the longest time. So those of us who have been around long enough to know that, don't even use it now. I run them with my wife. We 2 man most of them. Another reason why I'm not sure why you can't carry a player that you would consider to be 'kick' worthy. A group with a good healer and a good tank should be able to carry the group. That being said, why be a *** about it and kick them? Surely you are good enough to finish the dungeon with them in the group.
I call bs 1 good dd can carry the group with bad tank healer and a wrecking blow spammer. Not the other way around like you said. And i m a main tank, have à healer to.
Guess what i almost never use the tool but if i use it i only tag as à dd...can t see how poeple can t realise this.0 -
pattyLtd✭✭✭✭✭The 15 minute penalty has to be removed, i believe pretty much everyone agrees with that to some extend.
It will not only lessen the pain for the "kicked" but also improve queue time since half the players is waiting out a stupid queue penalty right now!
To zos: If you implement a penalty system please at least make sure it works properly.
Yesterday me and my friends were penalized bc your grouping tool added me and my two friends to a two player group.
No biggie but i don't really see the reason for the penalty being there at all, it's a game for crying out loud let us play!English is not my native language, no grammar police please, tyvm0 -
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✭Rune_Relic wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »Don't use the group finder if you are going to kick people before giving them a chance.
I will continue to do so and kick anyone under 400cp.
Then its time to remove CP from the UI.
@ZOS_RichLambert
That won't happen.
Thats what they said about DPS comparison addons.
So ZOS killed the functionality off because people were using is as an excuse to kick people.
Thats why you dont have a gear compare tool.
The game is supposed to be inclusive...not exclusive/divisive.
CP is now a divisive tool to exclude people from playing together.
So it has to go for the same reasons as dps inspect meters..for the same reason you cant 'examine gear'Edited by Rune_Relic on November 16, 2016 12:08PMAnything that can be exploited will be exploited3 -
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✭Stopnaggin wrote: »Stopnaggin wrote: »Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »WhitePawPrints wrote: »We have the RIGHT to choose who we want to play with and who we don't want to play with. That simple. We shouldn't be FORCED to play with whoever is just there.
No one is saying that you are forced to play with people you don't want to play with, so you can CHOOSE to leave that group, and find a group you would like to play with.
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The entire group can also CHOOSE to kick the 4th person. ZOS gave us the power and the right to do so by popular vote.
Exactly.
And that's all fine and friggin dandy, but should the person the majority kicked be punished? Where is the others players CHOICE? Sit for 15 minutes and possibly get kicked again. This makes no sense.
If the player gets kicked over and over again, obvisouly they are not what people are looking for when using group finder, so maybe they should gear up/level up/git gud etc.
Majority votes, if everyone feels the same way, the person kicked is not a victim.
Majority vote means they are not victims? I don't even have time to explain why I don't have to to explain.
So when I tell peole how to vote the vote is unbiased ?
There are many people with dominant personalities that go out of their way to find submissive personalities to control.
For the same reason blackmail, and extortion rackets exist and bullies do their thing.
Do you think that doesnt exist in game ?
Edited by Rune_Relic on November 16, 2016 12:12PMAnything that can be exploited will be exploited0 -
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✭Rune_Relic wrote: »Stopnaggin wrote: »Stopnaggin wrote: »Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »WhitePawPrints wrote: »We have the RIGHT to choose who we want to play with and who we don't want to play with. That simple. We shouldn't be FORCED to play with whoever is just there.
No one is saying that you are forced to play with people you don't want to play with, so you can CHOOSE to leave that group, and find a group you would like to play with.
.
The entire group can also CHOOSE to kick the 4th person. ZOS gave us the power and the right to do so by popular vote.
Exactly.
And that's all fine and friggin dandy, but should the person the majority kicked be punished? Where is the others players CHOICE? Sit for 15 minutes and possibly get kicked again. This makes no sense.
If the player gets kicked over and over again, obvisouly they are not what people are looking for when using group finder, so maybe they should gear up/level up/git gud etc.
Majority votes, if everyone feels the same way, the person kicked is not a victim.
Majority vote means they are not victims? I don't even have time to explain why I don't have to to explain.
So when I tell peole how to vote the vote is unbiased ?
There are many people with dominant personalities that go out of their way to find submissive personalities to control.
For the same reason blackmail, and extortion rackets exist and bullies do their thing.
Do you think that doesnt exist in game ?
Did you not read previous comments, and also the question mark?1 -
Paneross✭✭✭✭✭Rune_Relic wrote: »Rune_Relic wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »Don't use the group finder if you are going to kick people before giving them a chance.
I will continue to do so and kick anyone under 400cp.
Then its time to remove CP from the UI.
@ZOS_RichLambert
That won't happen.
Thats what they said about DPS comparison addons.
So ZOS killed the functionality off because people were using is as an excuse to kick people.
Thats why you dont have a gear compare tool.
The game is supposed to be inclusive...not exclusive/divisive.
CP is now a divisive tool to exclude people from playing together.
So it has to go for the same reasons as dps inspect meters..for the same reason you cant 'examine gear'
Still won't happen. Lulz might as well take away CP.0 -
hagencopen✭✭As a returning console player(i really should play my PC account i suppose, but all my crafting research is done on console and on PC i only have like 3 traits) i can say it definately feels different to PUG these days. People arent as harsh on healers, if they need one, in my experience. Que up as a random dps though and expect to wait at LEAST 30 minutes until it matches you, then if you are lower CP you run the risk of being kicked immediately. It does suck, cant deny that. Its the progression of the game though. People know the mechanics of the game better and are able to min/max better with all these new sets. You cant really blame them for wanting to run in effiecient groups. Now, the d1ickwads who vote to kick low CP players, when they themselves are also low CP, and are bads. They can suck a fat one. Its a PUG though, you should know not to have high expectations.0
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✭✭schroed360 wrote: »Valen_Byte wrote: »Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »Valen_Byte wrote: »I said this in another thread...Ill say it again here....
I don't use group finder. Never have. But I do have a strong opinion on this issue.
If you are using the random group finder to join a group, there should be no option to kick anyone.
If you are a leet dungeon runner, who doesn't want to risk grouping with someone who is not leet...don't use the group finder. You leets need to join a leet dungeon guild so you can run with your leet buddies and have all the leet fun you want.
You cant expect to have a leet group using a tool that is designed to put random ass people together. So sick of hearing about people getting kicked out of groups for their lvl or gear of CP. You people who do that should not use the group finder.
If you are a bad dungeon runner, who doesnt want to risk grouping and annoying decent players who are decent and dont want to waste time... dont use the group finder. Your bad skill needs to learn to play so you dont waste peoples time. Maybe stay solo and have all the solo fun you want.
You cant expect to have a good group using a tool that is designed to save time and not make a 10 minute run turn into a two hour run. Im so sick of hearing about people joining groups and expecting to be carried and waste peoples time. You people who do that should not use group finder.
Almost clever.
Just in case you are assuming that I dont cant run a dungeon, I can, and do. I don't use the finder because I just don't have too.
That tool didn't even work for the longest time. So those of us who have been around long enough to know that, don't even use it now. I run them with my wife. We 2 man most of them. Another reason why I'm not sure why you can't carry a player that you would consider to be 'kick' worthy. A group with a good healer and a good tank should be able to carry the group. That being said, why be a *** about it and kick them? Surely you are good enough to finish the dungeon with them in the group.
I call bs 1 good dd can carry the group with bad tank healer and a wrecking blow spammer. Not the other way around like you said. And i m a main tank, have à healer to.
Guess what i almost never use the tool but if i use it i only tag as à dd...can t see how poeple can t realise this.
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