Vote kick feature is being seriously abused...

Tizerak

I'm a returning player and I've been running / tanking quite a bit of Vet dungeons lately (always using party finder because I don't know anyone in-game) i.e. daily pledges, random vet daily for undaunted supplies. I have about ~130 CP's since I haven't played since CP's were first introduced a year and a half-ish ago; I crafted myself a set of 5/5 Hist Bark and 4/5 Shalidor's Curse.

Anyways, more often lately I will join a group and sometimes it feels like IMMEDIATELY I get kicked before I can even enter the dungeon. It's been happening often enough that I screenshot the names of the group members so I can inquire why, I had someone tell me yesterday "i don't want to #$&* around with low CP players" honestly I reported him for harassment because the reason was BS and it locks me out of party finder for 15 minutes.

I would do /zone but now I'm worried I'll never get picked up because of my "low CP" even though I've been tanking Vet bosses just fine and have tanked a few of the HM Vet bosses (I think that's what they're called now, the one where people read that scroll before the fight). But these people just judge me based on CP without seeing me in action. I also run with really nice "high CP" people (luckily more often than the rude people) who are real friendly.

I just think there needs to be some kind of punishment for people that knee-jerk instant kick people like that because of the amount of CP they have. Maybe I'm part of some crazy minority here but last I checked ESO characters aren't just "born" with 500 CP when an account is made. I guess I'm just supposed to stay out of anything content related until I have 1000 CP's as to not ruffle the feathers of these big-shot players.

Sorry for the rant, and to the nice players with or without high CP that have dungeon crawled with me, thank you.

Paneross

I'm guilty of this. I find 99% of randoms with lower CP don't know what their doing, don't output enough dps, don't heal, don't know mechanics. We shouldn't have to babysit lower CP levels. It's rude on their part to waste the time of others who are trying to do a quick dungeon.

Paneross

Fact I ran into a CP350 last night and all he did was light attacks to build up werewolf form. Boss took 45 mins........

negbert

Paneross wrote: »

I'm guilty of this. I find 99% of randoms with lower CP don't know what their doing, don't output enough dps, don't heal, don't know mechanics. We shouldn't have to babysit lower CP levels. It's rude on their part to waste the time of others who are trying to do a quick dungeon.

Please don't use the grouping tool then. That is not what it is for.

Doctordarkspawn

I got a bunch of people who basicly AFK'd while groundfinding and had to kick them in a stream, so.

I'm more in favor of having strict queue requirements for vet and less strict ones for normal so we dont -have- to do this stuff.

SnubbS

Sounds like you need a safe space.

If you're not competent enough to complete the content without being carried through it -- you shouldn't get the completion. I've never actually done the vote to kick option though, a bit too nerdy for me. Same goes for reporting others -- just a bit too nerdy for me.

Jeremy

Tizerak wrote: »

I'm a returning player and I've been running / tanking quite a bit of Vet dungeons lately (always using party finder because I don't know anyone in-game) i.e. daily pledges, random vet daily for undaunted supplies. I have about ~130 CP's since I haven't played since CP's were first introduced a year and a half-ish ago; I crafted myself a set of 5/5 Hist Bark and 4/5 Shalidor's Curse.

Anyways, more often lately I will join a group and sometimes it feels like IMMEDIATELY I get kicked before I can even enter the dungeon. It's been happening often enough that I screenshot the names of the group members so I can inquire why, I had someone tell me yesterday "i don't want to #$&* around with low CP players" honestly I reported him for harassment because the reason was BS and it locks me out of party finder for 15 minutes.

I would do /zone but now I'm worried I'll never get picked up because of my "low CP" even though I've been tanking Vet bosses just fine and have tanked a few of the HM Vet bosses (I think that's what they're called now, the one where people read that scroll before the fight). But these people just judge me based on CP without seeing me in action. I also run with really nice "high CP" people (luckily more often than the rude people) who are real friendly.

I just think there needs to be some kind of punishment for people that knee-jerk instant kick people like that because of the amount of CP they have. Maybe I'm part of some crazy minority here but last I checked ESO characters aren't just "born" with 500 CP when an account is made. I guess I'm just supposed to stay out of anything content related until I have 1000 CP's as to not ruffle the feathers of these big-shot players.

Sorry for the rant, and to the nice players with or without high CP that have dungeon crawled with me, thank you.

Look at it this way - these (in their own minds) big shot players obviously aren't very big shot if they can't even manage to complete a dungeon without having a full group of 500 CP players. So it says more about them and their own skill (or lack there of) then it does yours.

Also - and while this is just a theory of mine - I believe a lot of group kicks are unintentional and done by mistake. Some ________ players like to do a ready check and then immediately follow it with a vote to kick someone - so other players who believe they are hitting ready are actually voting to kick someone by accident. Similar mistakes can happen with travel to dungeon - because when a new player joins a group another people initiates a kick vote just as they are expecting them to be hitting the buttonto the travel to dungeon option (this has happened to me personally before).

It could also be three friends or guild mates ganging up and using the dungeon finder to troll you.

Either way, something definitely needs to be done. It's a poorly implemented system that is too easy to abuse. Some changes need to be made to it.

Sheezabeast

It sucks for high CP people too! I have 725 CP and used random group finder for a vet dungeon. It popped up a dungeon, then in less than a second, it said the group was disbanded. Then I had to wait 14 minutes to re-queue for another dungeon! I didn't deserve to be penalized. I never got a chance to blink or anything!

alexkdd99

And you are one of the reasons why people who really harass others get away with it.

Don't falsely report people, just jams up the reports with bogus crap. Is it right to kick someone before giving a chance? Most of the time no, but it is not against the rules.

It takes a majority vote to kick so it was the whole team that is kicking you.

I imagine it sucks to get kicked. I made sure I was high enough cp and could hold my own before using the group finder. Also any loot you are receiving before 160 cp will be worthless once you reach 160.

I recommend doing only normal non dlc dungeons until you atleast reach 160.

Malamar1229

Paneross wrote: »

I'm guilty of this. I find 99% of randoms with lower CP don't know what their doing, don't output enough dps, don't heal, don't know mechanics. We shouldn't have to babysit lower CP levels. It's rude on their part to waste the time of others who are trying to do a quick dungeon.

I am 254 CP on this account. I ran 88k dps on trash as magicka sorc, 27-28k dps avg on bosses in vets.

There is ZERO reason I should be kicked and stuck in a 15 minute penalty box.

I guaranteed I know more what I am doing than you do.

This vote to kick is in its current state is ridiculous. I wait 40 minutes sometimes for a random vet.

AriokoSan

Paneross wrote: »

I'm guilty of this. I find 99% of randoms with lower CP don't know what their doing, don't output enough dps, don't heal, don't know mechanics. We shouldn't have to babysit lower CP levels. It's rude on their part to waste the time of others who are trying to do a quick dungeon.

"we shouldn't have to baby sit lower CP levels". Who do you think you are?

"It's rude on their part to waste the time of others who are trying to do a quick dungeon" how do they know you are doing a quick dungeon!! They just used group finder like everyone else

[Edit to remove flaming]

TheSeer

Today I got queued 3 times for a pleadge using GF and one two people left right when I joined then the third left after I teleported in. The next two were even worse as both groups disbanded leaving me with a 15 penalty for a group I didn't even technically get to join.

So I spammed zone and finally found a group to do the pledge with.

Malamar1229

Paneross wrote: »

Fact I ran into a CP350 last night and all he did was light attacks to build up werewolf form. Boss took 45 mins........

there are just as many low CP bads as there are capped CP bads.

TheSeer

SnubbS wrote: »

Sounds like you need a safe space.

If you're not competent enough to complete the content without being carried through it -- you shouldn't get the completion. I've never actually done the vote to kick option though, a bit too nerdy for me. Same goes for reporting others -- just a bit too nerdy for me.

I'm guessing you didn't read anything, did you?

Barbagor

Man I subscribe your complaint, it happened just one time to be but it was really annoying. I had neither entered the dungeon and I was kicked with the words "Sorry we already have a healer". lol what were you queueing for then? But complaints apart, I think it wuold be really good if you could not have the penalty when you are kicked in that sort of way...

Lucious90

Its unfortunate, I am guilty of this, CP has too much of an emphasis in this game. Its unfortunately a gauge to skill, which it shouldn't but it does matter for HM and such. There is also the matter of low CP = Scrub, which isnt always the case but is still a problem. But they do the lower CPs an injustice by grouping them with the high CP players/Elitists. LFG needs to group based on what your level or CP is, If you're CP 100 you are group with CP 80-110, and scaled accordingly if you're 531 you're grouped with 511-541. It wont separate the good from the bad but would help the lower CPs get groups without being kicked

Ashtaris

I have pretty much given up on doing pugs. For one thing, ZOS created this wide power gap by introducing these hardmode Vet dungeons and beefing up the difficulty levels. So you get in a queue and find that your other DPS can't kill an ant, or the healer's only heal they know is spamming BOL, etc. Before 1T came out, you didn't need 20K plus DPS and a healer that's running Spell Power cure to complete most of the vet dungeons. Mind you, I'm not calling for a nerf, but I think most of us are safer just doing the dungeons now with our guildies. At least we know what to expect, we have a good time chatting with each other on TS, and avoid a LOT of frustration.

Phica_Lovic

Sheezabeast wrote: »

It sucks for high CP people too! I have 725 CP and used random group finder for a vet dungeon. It popped up a dungeon, then in less than a second, it said the group was disbanded. Then I had to wait 14 minutes to re-queue for another dungeon! I didn't deserve to be penalized. I never got a chance to blink or anything!

This is a bug. It occurs when a pre-made is grouped with a solo player via the GP tool. The system thinks the group is a single player and pulls 5 ppl in, then kicks one solo player.

FYI, no one can disband the group after getting a GF pop, even crown. It won't let you.

Vekoeros

This is why I tend to only group with my guilds, I have never had to deal with being kicked which I'm fairly certain would create great chasms of rage and I also have not had to deal with any of these elitist "we are looking for a quick run" people which would undoubtly create much greater feelings of rage.
Sorry you have to deal with the underbelly of unskilled arrogance and entitlement, hopefully things get better.

SnubbS

TheSeer wrote: »

SnubbS wrote: »

Sounds like you need a safe space.

If you're not competent enough to complete the content without being carried through it -- you shouldn't get the completion. I've never actually done the vote to kick option though, a bit too nerdy for me. Same goes for reporting others -- just a bit too nerdy for me.

I'm guessing you didn't read anything, did you?

Alright well, let's reread and see.


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Nope, didn't miss anything. The OP is exhibiting entitlement, the OP is wishing for repercussions to those who using the game-mechanics, the OP is basically trying to enforce communism here.

In case your reading comprehension is a bit lacking -- I'll break it down for you.


"Sounds like you need a safe space" is in reference to his inability to calmly process others negative actions towards himself. He's irrationally upset and lashing out at others, so perhaps he needs a safe space?

"If you're not competent enough to complete content -- you shouldn't get the completion" This is in reference to people kicking low levels out of dungeons. If you're dead weight and bring nearly nothing to the group, do you really deserve the completion? I don't think so. I'm also not calling OP dead weight -- I'm referring to the majority of people with under 200 cp who aren't even wearing item sets yet. I'm doing this to put forth an argument as to why the "Mean people" would kick him.

"I've never done the 'Vote to kick' and/or 'Report Player' options" Seems self-explanatory to me. The root cause of this threads creation was the use of the 'Vote to kick' options. I simply made my stance on that clear. Once into the post, the topic of reporting players came up -- and I laid my stance down on that as well.

At this point I'm wondering if you read the posts.

Fallen_Ray

Paneross wrote: »

I'm guilty of this. I find 99% of randoms with lower CP don't know what their doing, don't output enough dps, don't heal, don't know mechanics. We shouldn't have to babysit lower CP levels. It's rude on their part to waste the time of others who are trying to do a quick dungeon.

So here you are talking as if you started this game knowing every dungeon mechanic and already a high Lvl CP. I'm gonna say this even if I a moderator has to edit this post and scold at me. You are a PRlCK, if you want to do a quick dungeon team up with your friends and go your merry way.

That way you don't take up unnecessary space in the group finder queue. New people get in this game every day and beasts like you only ruin their experience and give a bad name to the ESO community. Needless to say CP only does not make a player good. Knowledge of mechanics does, and that can be shared between players, unlike CP.

Jamini

There is lots of elitism and lots of impatience when it comes to pledges. Frankly, If you are going in through group-finder, you shouldn't expect a quick run or a good group.

Max CP only makes a player 5-10% stronger on average. (All players have the stats, at minimum, of a CP160 now.) While it can be a noticeable power spike for players at average-high skill level, it simply can't make up for a weak build or poor execution. Max CP is only really equivalent to being an appropriate race w/ racial passives for your role, and for anything short of HM Vet dungeons ( the harder ones) and trials... you really don't need it.

As long as you have key skills and a rotation you can work your way through most content as any role.

Ajaxduo

inb4 CP gets removed and converted into base levels in the future. Kidding, this is a common issue. The best solution is to ignore them and carry on or find a casual guild to run with.

Kronosphere

Ashtaris wrote: »

I have pretty much given up on doing pugs. For one thing, ZOS created this wide power gap by introducing these hardmode Vet dungeons and beefing up the difficulty levels. So you get in a queue and find that your other DPS can't kill an ant, or the healer's only heal they know is spamming BOL, etc. Before 1T came out, you didn't need 20K plus DPS and a healer that's running Spell Power cure to complete most of the vet dungeons. Mind you, I'm not calling for a nerf, but I think most of us are safer just doing the dungeons now with our guildies. At least we know what to expect, we have a good time chatting with each other on TS, and avoid a LOT of frustration.

LOL try doing the normal vet dungeons on release. 1 million times harder than this watered down content=P hell even cadwells silver/gold was harder than current dungeons!

Graynh

Well, I never kicked players based on CP, but I do kick them NOW if theyre not knowing what theyre doing and arent listening to advice.
A few weeks ago I had a 449 CP Nightblade DPS in my group, the healer and tank were not high either but they were listening an improving. This 449 CP guy had the most CP of us all, what did he do? He didnt care for any mechanics, all he did was spam Snipe till he was out of stamina and then just run around an wait till he had stamina again. I didnt see him use a single light or heavy attack, since I'm not good enough of a player to carry 3 bad players through nCoS (300 cp atm) So I left.
It wasnt the first time I had people like this, but so far I could somewhat tolerate them. I've been explaining to everyone who did not know what to do and most of them did listen and improved. I liked that.

But yesterday on the vet HM pledges I got a cp 189 nightblade. This guy was the reason I will kick now if I notice you dont know what youre doing and dont listen.
DC1 isnt a hard pledge at all, but he made it very painful for all of us.
Dual swords, looking at his gear you could tell it was just random parts put together, he had 30k HP as dps without a food buff. And no it wasnt a tank who queued as DPS by accident.
I noticed him spamming Killing Blade, the whole time. At 100% boss HP till the end. No weaving. Only killing blade. Standing in red circles, dying to everything despite his high HP. On the netch boss I checked how much dmg did he do. Boss abit over 1.6 mil HP. My dmg on that fight 1.5mil hp. Add the tank keeping aggro on that, what did he do? nothing?
When I said "please at least use surprise attack or rapid strikes, youre doing no damage at all this way" his reply was: "sry im assassination not dual wield" (despite wearing two 1h swords and surprise attack is ofc a dual wield skill). He didnt listen to a word I said, had no CP, wrong gear wrong stats, doesnt even know how to do any damage.

So thank people like this one next time you join a vet dungeon where I am in and you are a 25k+ HP dps. I'll kick you after the first boss encounter if I see you not even doing half my dps.
And to remind you all. I'm playing for a bit over a month. I am 339cp right now. And I am fed up with people like that. Next time you complain about max cp people kicking you right away, check your stuff, make sure youre ready for the dungeon you queue and keep in mind what they have already seen in their time they are playing.

Autolycus

I don't know if I agree that this is really being abused. I have a history of running with pugs "just for fun" and I've only seen a vote to kick once since it was introduced. That vote to kick was initiated by yours truly, and solely because the healer queued as a healer and didn't even have a resto staff. He queued as a healer just to get in quickly and changed his role to dps immediately upon entering (we saw it change). But this is a legitimate reason to vote someone out, because not doing the role you signed up for is irresponsible and frankly disrespectful to the group.

I know that low CP players tend to get unfairly treated because of the stigma that you "must be at X CP to accomplish anything blah blah blah." That's nonsense and we all know it. I've seen a level 27 kick a 561's ass in a duel (thanks battle-leveling) and I've seen a 200 beat vMA on their first try. Player skill > CP.

What's the solution, OP? The vote-to-kick system is a logical and necessary mechanic, and things were considerably less enjoyable for most via Group Finder before it existed. You might be getting treated unjustly at times, but it is within your power to change that. My best suggestion is to get your CP to 160 via Overland content (dungeons, delves, world bosses, and anchors) or to do several rounds of normal Maelstrom (which is good experience, both in terms of CP and learning mechanics). If it's any consolation, there are a great deal of players at the CP cap that share my opinion here, and would give you a fair chance. It's too bad you've had a rough run of late, but giving up won't get you the respect you deserve (or the CP).

scorpiodog

alexkdd99 wrote: »

And you are one of the reasons why people who really harass others get away with it.

Don't falsely report people, just jams up the reports with bogus crap. Is it right to kick someone before giving a chance? Most of the time no, but it is not against the rules.

It takes a majority vote to kick so it was the whole team that is kicking you.

I imagine it sucks to get kicked. I made sure I was high enough cp and could hold my own before using the group finder. Also any loot you are receiving before 160 cp will be worthless once you reach 160.

I recommend doing only normal non dlc dungeons until you atleast reach 160.

I agree with this. I was invited to Dungeons when I was CP10- CP160 but refused because I knew I was underpowered and all the gear I got would just be deconstructed anyway. Who wants a CP 130 monster helm? Also I can understand people not wanting you because they can't trade with you.

Plus you probably need more skill points or Fighters guild anyway so why not just do delves for skyshards and public dungeon group events for skill points until you get to at least 160?

Tizerak

SnubbS wrote: »

Sounds like you need a safe space.

If you're not competent enough to complete the content without being carried through it -- you shouldn't get the completion. I've never actually done the vote to kick option though, a bit too nerdy for me. Same goes for reporting others -- just a bit too nerdy for me.

Sounds like I need a safe space? What does that even mean? Kind of hard for a tank to get "carried" on HM bosses if the boss was running around wacking people because I'm "not competent".

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

I got a bunch of people who basicly AFK'd while groundfinding and had to kick them in a stream, so.

I'm more in favor of having strict queue requirements for vet and less strict ones for normal so we dont -have- to do this stuff.

I can agree with some of that; if someone is auto-afk it should remove them from the queue after a certain amount of time.

Sheezabeast wrote: »

It sucks for high CP people too! I have 725 CP and used random group finder for a vet dungeon. It popped up a dungeon, then in less than a second, it said the group was disbanded. Then I had to wait 14 minutes to re-queue for another dungeon! I didn't deserve to be penalized. I never got a chance to blink or anything!

I know the feel fam, though I imagine it's worse for DPS because they have longer queue times to begin with

alexkdd99 wrote: »

And you are one of the reasons why people who really harass others get away with it.

Don't falsely report people, just jams up the reports with bogus crap. Is it right to kick someone before giving a chance? Most of the time no, but it is not against the rules.

It takes a majority vote to kick so it was the whole team that is kicking you.

I imagine it sucks to get kicked. I made sure I was high enough cp and could hold my own before using the group finder. Also any loot you are receiving before 160 cp will be worthless once you reach 160.

I recommend doing only normal non dlc dungeons until you atleast reach 160.

The only person I reported was the person I quoted in my OP. He was clearly not justified in his actions, was verbally rude, and abused a feature of the game. So I'm harassing him for reporting him for actually being a jerk and harassing me... what?

TheSeer wrote: »

Today I got queued 3 times for a pleadge using GF and one two people left right when I joined then the third left after I teleported in. The next two were even worse as both groups disbanded leaving me with a 15 penalty for a group I didn't even technically get to join.

So I spammed zone and finally found a group to do the pledge with.

Guess I'll have to try /zone then in the future for now; if you get locked out of party finder can you still enter a dungeon with a pre-made?

TheSeer

SnubbS wrote: »

TheSeer wrote: »

SnubbS wrote: »

Sounds like you need a safe space.

If you're not competent enough to complete the content without being carried through it -- you shouldn't get the completion. I've never actually done the vote to kick option though, a bit too nerdy for me. Same goes for reporting others -- just a bit too nerdy for me.

I'm guessing you didn't read anything, did you?

Alright well, let's reread and see.


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Nope, didn't miss anything. The OP is exhibiting entitlement, the OP is wishing for repercussions to those who using the game-mechanics, the OP is basically trying to enforce communism here.

In case your reading comprehension is a bit lacking -- I'll break it down for you.


"Sounds like you need a safe space" is in reference to his inability to calmly process others negative actions towards himself. He's irrationally upset and lashing out at others, so perhaps he needs a safe space?

"If you're not competent enough to complete content -- you shouldn't get the completion" This is in reference to people kicking low levels out of dungeons. If you're dead weight and bring nearly nothing to the group, do you really deserve the completion? I don't think so. I'm also not calling OP dead weight -- I'm referring to the majority of people with under 200 cp who aren't even wearing item sets yet. I'm doing this to put forth an argument as to why the "Mean people" would kick him.

"I've never done the 'Vote to kick' and/or 'Report Player' options" Seems self-explanatory to me. The root cause of this threads creation was the use of the 'Vote to kick' options. I simply made my stance on that clear. Once into the post, the topic of reporting players came up -- and I laid my stance down on that as well.

At this point I'm wondering if you read the posts.

Such entitlement, much wow.

Seems like you are the one that needs to head back to school.

Your safe space reference was not needed as he wasn't crying, whining, or even swearing, he was stating something that is a fact. He also did so without blaming elitists or whatever the hell they are called. He is stating something others have to deal with as well. He has to accept it happened, but he does not need to accept that it did happen.

How do you know he is not competent? How do you know that he doesn't know the mechanics? Have you run dungeons with him? Have you seen him play? NO?! Then how can you come to such a conslusion? Simple, you can't.... Well I guess you can, but it will make you seem like an a$$.

While it's true the creation of this thread involves the Vote to Kick feature, its not its ultimate result. This all starts with an issue that leads to three others.

SnubbS

Tizerak wrote: »

SnubbS wrote: »

Sounds like you need a safe space.

If you're not competent enough to complete the content without being carried through it -- you shouldn't get the completion. I've never actually done the vote to kick option though, a bit too nerdy for me. Same goes for reporting others -- just a bit too nerdy for me.

Sounds like I need a safe space? What does that even mean? Kind of hard for a tank to get "carried" on HM bosses if the boss was running around wacking people because I'm "not competent".

If you ever get 15 seconds I urge you to invest in a google search, it will clear up the 'Safe space' talk very quickly.

In an earlier reply I stated that I was not calling you incompetent, or saying that you got carried -- I was presenting an argument as to why "Mean people" were kicking you. It's a bit hard to tell someone they get carried if they get kicked before getting to the first boss.

Oakmontowls_ESO

High cp means very little for the vast majority of dungeons. Yesterday I used group finder to do the darkshade 1 pledge and was paired with a "dps" that was using luminous shards and Jesus beam as their main dps skills while also spamming healing springs. He claimed to have qued accidentally as a dps but when I offered to switch from healing to dps they just told me to do both. This kind of worked till the last boss when they refused to res anyone and when they were the last one alive they ran away. This person was cp680 and I have no clue how he got to that point. We ended up kicking him and getting a cp180ish actual dps and finished the dungeon with no problem. And the rest of my group were under Cp160.
Tldr: there are high cp people that suck at the game.