Still no auction house, seriously??

kadar · November 2016

"Other MMOs have an auction house," is a horrible reason for ESO to have an auction house.

Awakatanka · November 2016

If no AH then atleastbput All traders in 1 spot so i don't Have to jump everywhere to find the traders i used And is again on another spot. No i can not join they are full....

AlnilamE · November 2016

Awakatanka wrote: »

If no AH then atleastbput All traders in 1 spot so i don't Have to jump everywhere to find the traders i used And is again on another spot. No i can not join they are full....

Maybe what they should do is, when you look at the map, and you hover over the guild trader icon, it shows you not only the name of the trader, but what guild has him at that moment.

Neoauspex · November 2016

Guild trader system is unique, capitalistic, clumsy, and I want an app that lets me access it on my phone while I'm work.

Stopnaggin · November 2016

Wolfshead wrote: »

The are no point trader in this game if you are casual players that is fact not matter what people say i have been kick out from trading guild for i dont trader 24/7 and that is not what this game is about for me.

Personal i craft all what i need for simple fact try to buy something from trader is so overprice and that is fact too and run around the world to found the best price is beyond stupid and dont want spend my game time to run after best price in the game and ZoS can easy fix problem with trading and trader guild in this game.

The can add feature the look for item from all trader guilds in game when stand at one off trader guild vendor and the can also have few neutral trader vendor in game where anyone can put on trader if want to but cost little more then if you was in trader guild post the trader.

Honest it is not so hard to do that for honest force player to join trader guild just so you cna trader is silly for what happen to so call "you can play as want and do want in game" go if you being force in trader guild for not everyone want to join those guild to be honest.

And like fact the are them in this post what "that we dont want AH" you people dont speak or representative majority of player on this game you only speak and representative yourself so dont use word like that.

Neither do you speak for the majority. They are not forcing you to do anything. I have given several other ways to sell. It's a social game, so get social. If you don't like the way it is, move to something that better suits your play style.

AH leads to lower prices, good at first until your stuff is worth nothing because of under cutting. Then you have the flip side you find groups that can corner the market and sell for outrageous prices. THE system we have now is not perfect, but an AH, is not the answer.

BlanketFort · November 2016

AlnilamE wrote: »

Awakatanka wrote: »

If no AH then atleastbput All traders in 1 spot so i don't Have to jump everywhere to find the traders i used And is again on another spot. No i can not join they are full....

Maybe what they should do is, when you look at the map, and you hover over the guild trader icon, it shows you not only the name of the trader, but what guild has him at that moment.

That also doesn't sound bad at all and would already improve QOL

That and they should improve the vanilla UI. I know we are but mere peasants, but they should really take a look at what the add-ons PC have and implement some of those. It's quite lazy work of them to let the Modders do all the work for the most basic functions their UI should have had from the start. I know the devs themselves are well-versed in a variety of games and that this isn't their first rodeo, but sometimes... it makes you doubt that.
The last thing I heard was that they are working on buff timers, or something of the sort, for a future update. A step in the right direction, for which the console community would rejoice over and throw their knickers up in the air.

LaiTash · November 2016

Hluill wrote: »

There's a "L2P or get out of the way" crowd that seems to rule this game.

What is the problem with that. Yeah if you play something you could probably do as little as L2P. It's not chess or go, it's not even football, so there shouldn't be any problems with that.

nimander99 · November 2016

It could be worse, we could have BDO's Marketplace system and be humping money from city to city to buy stuff... Oh yeah and silver has weight so you have to convert it to gold bars then move it then reconvert it to silver in the main city warehouse just to buy what you want... Nevermind the lack of teleport... Yer walkin bru.

jedtb16_ESO · November 2016

Neoauspex wrote: »

Guild trader system is unique, capitalistic, clumsy, and I want an app that lets me access it on my phone while I'm work.

individuals own the means of production be it from farming mats or items.... that makes it a fair, rather than capitalistic, system.

Solus · November 2016

honestly.. adding an auction house would totally destroy ETU. and others with similar prestige. If the day came when everyone can post their unwanteds to a central hub two things will happen:

A- trade guilds will no longer be necessary

B-economy of items will plummet due to the increase of availability of said items.

Im in ETU and Spicy Economics.

I would prefer to keep my place in them, and all the gold that comes with those two traders.

idk · November 2016

LaiTash wrote: »

Hluill wrote: »

There's a "L2P or get out of the way" crowd that seems to rule this game.

What is the problem with that. Yeah if you play something you could probably do as little as L2P. It's not chess or go, it's not even football, so there shouldn't be any problems with that.

Oh my. Great post. I just realized the person you quoted said that if he can't or won't figure it out the game should be simplified to what he already knows.

Omg, worst reason ever.

AlnilamE · November 2016

BlanketFort wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

Awakatanka wrote: »

If no AH then atleastbput All traders in 1 spot so i don't Have to jump everywhere to find the traders i used And is again on another spot. No i can not join they are full....

Maybe what they should do is, when you look at the map, and you hover over the guild trader icon, it shows you not only the name of the trader, but what guild has him at that moment.

That also doesn't sound bad at all and would already improve QOL
That and they should improve the vanilla UI. I know we are but mere peasants, but they should really take a look at what the add-ons PC have and implement some of those. It's quite lazy work of them to let the Modders do all the work for the most basic functions their UI should have had from the start. I know the devs themselves are well-versed in a variety of games and that this isn't their first rodeo, but sometimes... it makes you doubt that.
The last thing I heard was that they are working on buff timers, or something of the sort, for a future update. A step in the right direction, for which the console community would rejoice over and throw their knickers up in the air.

Yeah, the AwesomeGuildStore addon should be part of the default UI. It would make things much easier for folks.

nimander99 wrote: »

It could be worse, we could have BDO's Marketplace system and be humping money from city to city to buy stuff... Oh yeah and silver has weight so you have to convert it to gold bars then move it then reconvert it to silver in the main city warehouse just to buy what you want... Nevermind the lack of teleport... Yer walkin bru.

I hear you! I keep the bulk of my silver in Heidel and only have minimal amounts in other cities in case I need to buy something and don't want to trek all the way back. Getting around in that game is so time consuming...

silvermistktralasub17_ESO · November 2016

There's a lot more to the guild traders and the economy that people need to consider. ESO is the only MMO that I've seen that does *not* currently have a problem with gold-sellers. The reason for that is the guild stores. Because the economy is not controlled in a central location, things continue to have value that makes the trading worth it, and people are not having to pay real money to other players for sufficient gold to buy the items that they need from an AH. We started out with gold sellers when the game first opened. Shortly after I first became aware of guild traders, the gold-sellers basically completely vanished. This is a big deal for me. It's not profitable for them to farm like that, which means that there's more fun for those of us who would be unable to farm what we need for our crafts and gear. This is a major advantage in my eyes. I must say that, though I do use the Awesome Guild Store, MM, and the Tamriel Trade thing, I have found that guild traders are the way to go. I'm still only a 'casual gamer', but every single one of my 12 characters at the moment has more than 100k gold on them, and at least 400k in the bank. I just casually put up mostly alchemy, occasionally other ingredients, in one of my trade guilds, and usually end up with 7-8 thousand just from selling what I feel I'm not going to be needing anytime soon. I can put up with having to hunt around to find the hickory that one of my characters needs to keep up her crafting writs. That's not too much of a problem, if you use a bit of forethought in keeping sufficient materials available. Forethought is valuable in any game, and in daily life. But yes, I support guild traders as perhaps the best system I've seen out there. Yes, the gui could use improvement. That's why I use mods. But it's far better than what I've seen in other games.

CromulentForumID · November 2016

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Pallmor wrote: »

Reverb wrote: »

The majority of eso players do just fine with the existing trade system (especially since zeni stopped sabotaging bids with the maintenance time). The majority of people who want an AH just because they're used to it from other games and don't want to adapt to a different structure.

I like most of the ways that ESO chooses to differentiate themselves from mmo generica - the guild stores instead of auction house, the lack of player inspection, the decision (so far) not to put advantage-giving weapons and gear in tbe cash shop.

L2Adapt

Did it ever occur to you that the reason that other MMO's have auction houses is that they work and players like them?

I'd actually have to disagree with you there.

They don't work, they just are what you want cause you don't like the system this game offers.

Actually, they do work, they just may not be better, or what you prefer.

Both sides of this argument are extremely prone to blatant hyperbole.

See above: VAST MAJORITY of players do not want an auction house. Despite the fact that there is a new thread every week

LaiTash · November 2016

AlnilamE wrote: »

I hear you! I keep the bulk of my silver in Heidel and only have minimal amounts in other cities in case I need to buy something and don't want to trek all the way back. Getting around in that game is so time consuming...

But omg i miss no fast travel. The true killer feature of BDO.

BigBragg · November 2016

Guild traders are financial PvP. What wrong with that? Just don't like schlepping around to all the beautiful destinations?

newtinmpls · November 2016

Kronosphere wrote: »

All I request is a npc that has the function of letting me search for a specific item, it shows me a list of the item and price from EVERY guild trader, i cant purchase it directly from this menu but i can now get directions to the trader that has the item ive chosen. simple, fixed. best of both worlds, more normalized prices. everyone happy. keeps current system.

Which is an auction house by another name, and as such susceptible to manipulation by the rich/farmer/trade "class"

No thank you.

I have enough trouble without adding that

wenchmore420b14_ESO · November 2016

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Look! Another Auction House thread!

Lmao. Yup, sure is. That time of year I guess.
Well, lot's of responses so I apologize if I restate some of them, but, here is my 2 Septims on this...

1) To the "Show me the numbers" and "Majority doesn't want AH say's who?" responses, anyone who has been here since launch, has seen tons of "AH" threads, the first one in May 2014, less than a month after launch. And all of them are resoundingly against AH. Yes, the numbers in polls are for keeping the current system. There was a spike in post's after Console release, but same results. Most said no.
Note* Before you say that the fact of so many threads on this must mean something, it's doesn't. Most of the threads are started by the same few and just re-hashed.
2) Trade Guilds are not evil entities out to take your gold. I am in 2 of the oldest trade guilds on PC/NA. Both started in pre-launch. They have no required gold deposits, etc. If someone is in one of those kind of guilds, don't judge all guilds by it. Leave them and find a good trade guild.
3) Back to the number of times AH has been brought up, the one fact remains.
Not Gonna Happen.. Period.
Zos has stated~ No Auction House Ever .Period.
Hooray for that. Yes, this is beating a dead horse.

Speaking of Horses?? Where is the Auction Horse!!!! @Gidorick , I miss your Horse Post's!!!
Huzzah!!

Glurin · November 2016

BigBragg wrote: »

Guild traders are financial PvP. What wrong with that? Just don't like schlepping around to all the beautiful destinations?

I think it's even simpler than that. I think they just don't like the idea of "shopping". They just want a one stop shop where they can get the absolute lowest global price on anything they want. They don't like the idea of there being another shop out there somewhere that potentially has an even lower price on whatever they're buying because then they feel like they got ripped off for not doing the work of actually finding this other shop.

This is assuming of course that buying stuff for cheap is their only motivator and that they aren't the people interested in the far more damaging aspects of having an auction house.

jedtb16_ESO · November 2016

Glurin wrote: »

BigBragg wrote: »

Guild traders are financial PvP. What wrong with that? Just don't like schlepping around to all the beautiful destinations?

I think it's even simpler than that. I think they just don't like the idea of "shopping". They just want a one stop shop where they can get the absolute lowest global price on anything they want. They don't like the idea of there being another shop out there somewhere that potentially has an even lower price on whatever they're buying because then they feel like they got ripped off for not doing the work of actually finding this other shop.

This is assuming of course that buying stuff for cheap is their only motivator and that they aren't the people interested in the far more damaging aspects of having an auction house.

given the venom with which they attack the subject it is my opinion that they are people interested in the more damaging aspects of auction houses.

Zolron · November 2016

.I've stated many times that I am pro-AH( not necessarily global). I mainly solo pve quest, enjoy the immersion, the lore, the vastness of Tamriel, the liveliness of seeing others run around, PVP, the list goes on, but tend to dis-like the politics of guilds ( at least in other games). I also dont subscribe to the opinion that everything will be bought up instantly and re-sold at a higher price monopoly theory ( plz don't go here, not my point !

)

Serious question here though...What would be wrong if they added a rogue vendor ( as someone else mentioned in this thread), one in each Capital city maybe? This vendor would allow ANYONE to list their wares for sale..Could this be abused ? I currently can't see how and consider this the best of both worlds maybe??

** Puts on flame retardant suit ** !!!!!

Stopnaggin · November 2016

Zolron wrote: »

.I've stated many times that I am pro-AH( not necessarily global). I mainly solo pve quest, enjoy the immersion, the lore, the vastness of Tamriel, the liveliness of seeing others run around, PVP, the list goes on, but tend to dis-like the politics of guilds ( at least in other games). I also dont subscribe to the opinion that everything will be bought up instantly and re-sold at a higher price monopoly theory ( plz don't go here, not my point ! )

Serious question here though...What would be wrong if they added a rogue vendor ( as someone else mentioned in this thread), one in each Capital city maybe? This vendor would allow ANYONE to list their wares for sale..Could this be abused ? I currently can't see how and consider this the best of both worlds maybe??

** Puts on flame retardant suit ** !!!!!

I suggested that before. But the Biggers guilds could just buy out the wares and put a strangle hold on things. I've seen post like this from the pc side, guilds buying out kiosks and not put anything there for sale. so yeah anything they do could be manipulated.

My point to this entire thread was not pro/anti AH. I'm not for AH, but the fact that the OP made it sound like he has no options to sell his stuff. He has options, he chooses not to use them. He could certainly use other options than guild trader, I sell alot of stuff through zone chat.

Zamuro · November 2016

emily3989 wrote: »

Zamuro wrote: »

ZOS_PeterT wrote: »

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Please review our Guidelines for posting constructive comments.

improve the guild traders UI !!!!!! u cant even search by name !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! what is this ? 2005 ?

Zamuro wrote: »

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improve the guild traders UI !!!!!! u cant even search by name !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! what is this ? 2005 ?

Get an add-on. What is this 1995?

i got awesomeguildstore, it is terrible. after u type in the name of the item u are searching, u need to check all pages page after page to see if it has it. it doesnt automatically shows u if the trader has the item, u need to manually search every page... this guild trader's UI is the worst ive seen in any mmo.the addons BARELY fix it, zos should implement some of the addons in the game and improve it as whole. and i like the idea of many guild traders instead of 1 auction house, its different and nice

radiostar · November 2016

I find myself actually looking forward to next week when my sub ends

No more worries about AH/no AH, good GTs/bad GTs.
Thank you, Z!

The advice to just leave if you don't like how they're running the trade system is solid for some of us.

newtinmpls · November 2016

I like having certain vendors I go to.

I would also be mildly interested in learning more about the bid system as I do have a guild that is slowly working up to enough peeps for a kiosk and do not want to waste $$$; just have some fun.

Stopnaggin · November 2016

radiostar wrote: »

I find myself actually looking forward to next week when my sub ends
No more worries about AH/no AH, good GTs/bad GTs.
Thank you, Z!

The advice to just leave if you don't like how they're running the trade system is solid for some of us.

Can I have your stuff? You know so I have something to remember you by.

Stopnaggin · November 2016

newtinmpls wrote: »

I like having certain vendors I go to.

I would also be mildly interested in learning more about the bid system as I do have a guild that is slowly working up to enough peeps for a kiosk and do not want to waste $$$; just have some fun.

If you have enough gold you can just buyout any vendor. Some of the bigger guilds always have the same vendors every week so their clientel knows where to find them. I am in 4 trade guilds of which have optimal spots, so visibility is not so much a problem. If you grow yours big enough to compete for top spots you'll be good.

My regular guilds also hold lots of contest to bring in some extra funding, raffles for bringing in raw mats, x tickets per stack, dueling contest with 5k buy in and such. Something to bring some extra gold your way that are fun for members.

LaiTash · November 2016

Zolron wrote: »

Serious question here though...What would be wrong if they added a rogue vendor ( as someone else mentioned in this thread), one in each Capital city maybe? This vendor would allow ANYONE to list their wares for sale..Could this be abused ? I currently can't see how and consider this the best of both worlds maybe??

It could happen, with additional fee (like 25%). But really, the game doesn't need one. Joining a good trading guild is easy in a game where you can join 5 guilds at the same time. All one needs to do is wishper to someone in charge... maybe make a post on their forum... *maybe* wait a couple of days. And wow you have an access to a vendor somewhere in Mournhold, no need for a greedy rogue vendor. Join a second guild and you're almost guaranteed to have a 100% vendor uptime.

Lucius_Aelius · November 2016

This system definitely needs some work but I firmly believe it should stay essentially as it is. As always my main suggestions to make it better are to completely rework the search interface to allow for proper searches to be made in addition to filters for the results (and for searches to be remembered when going from one trader to the next), and for players to be able to sell in any trader they want for a higher automatic cut to the Guild who owns it (with a new permission for Guilds to allow those with it to set minimum prices for all items sold at that Guild's Trader to prevent non-Guild members from undercutting Guild members).

That's not all a perfect fix, but it solves a lot of the problems people have with it, and I think these conversations about improvements would be a lot less divisive and more constructive if that's the system we were playing with and looking to make better. Ultimately though I think this Guild Trader system is better for this game certainly than any auction house could be, and that decentralized is the best way to go. You should always have to work for it and talk to different traders if you want the best deals, or work for getting things yourself if that's too much trouble, having things too readily available for cheap would only serve to cheapen the experience of playing the game altogether and acquiring loot for yourself.

jedtb16_ESO · November 2016

Lucius_Aelius wrote: »

This system definitely needs some work but I firmly believe it should stay essentially as it is. As always my main suggestions to make it better are to completely rework the search interface to allow for proper searches to be made in addition to filters for the results (and for searches to be remembered when going from ine trader to the next), and for players to be able to sell in any trader they want for a higher automatic cut to the Guild who owns it (with a new permission for Guilds to allow those with it to set minimum prices for all items sold at that Guild's Trader to prevent non-Guild members from undercutting Guild members).

That's not all a perfect fix, but it solves a lot of the problems people have with it, and I think these conversations about improvements would be a lot less divisive and more constructive if that's the system we were playing with and looking to make better. Ultimately though I think this Guild Trader system is better for this game certainly than any auction house could be, and that decentralized is the best way to go. You should always have to work for it and talk to different traders if you want the best deals, or work for getting things yourself if that's too much trouble, having things too readily available for cheap would only serve to cheapen the experience of playing the game altogether and acquiring loot for yourself.

improved trade ui.... absolutely

use a trader while not being a member of that guild... no

fixed minimum prices... absolutely not.