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How To Handle Rude Players
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Lord_Eomer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Lord_Dexter wrote: »Lord_Dexter wrote: »Lord_Dexter wrote: »
Current world #1 Sanctum Ophidia and #1 Hel Ra Citadel have a khajiit healer and a khajiit tank in the team. Just sayin.
I am not about to debate this point, Khajit Racial passives for Healer just not competitive as other Breton or Altmers..
With new sets it does not mattet a lot about race passives stuff but still count somehow..
You say it is insane. I have proof it isn't. Suboptimal at worst. That's all.
Ok, perhaps you can better prove if how weapon crirical or stamina recovery is affecting healing? Or may be khajit have some hidden healing buff...Lord_Dexter wrote: »Lord_Dexter wrote: »Lord_Dexter wrote: »Lord_Dexter wrote: »
Current world #1 Sanctum Ophidia and #1 Hel Ra Citadel have a khajiit healer and a khajiit tank in the team. Just sayin.
I am not about to debate this point, Khajit Racial passives for Healer just not competitive as other Breton or Altmers..
With new sets it does not mattet a lot about race passives stuff but still count somehow..
You say it is insane. I have proof it isn't. Suboptimal at worst. That's all.
Ok, perhaps you can better prove if how weapon crirical or stamina recovery is also affecting healing? Or may be khajit have some hidden healing buff...
Healing is something that doesn't require min-maxing in the first place. Even my imperial magplar with 30k magicka often over-heal.
I am aware, any race can do healing,
I have said before that they are not best as breton or Altmers..
Its bad for not taking racial passivea advatage,
Some1 said before they are best for healing..
No debate, i am out from this thread..
No I did not. I said the top hel ra and sanctum scores have a kahjiit healer and a khajiit tank. Never did I say they are the best race for healing. I'm simply stating that your claim that "healing with a khajiit is insane" is total nonsense. You just refuse to read.
What i meant for insane was bad, poor not good (may be you picked meaning other way) or i shld not use word insane..Edited by Lord_Eomer on November 4, 2016 4:33PM0 -
Danksta✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Lord_Dexter wrote: »Lord_Dexter wrote: »
Current world #1 Sanctum Ophidia and #1 Hel Ra Citadel have a khajiit healer and a khajiit tank in the team. Just sayin.
I am not about to debate this point, Khajit Racial passives for Healer just not competitive as other Breton or Altmers..
With new sets it does not mattet a lot about race passives stuff but still count somehow..
Lol. I just want to know the logic behind taking a race that has no actual benefits toward the role that they're aiming for, and attempting to mold it into that role. Unless for roleplay reasons. And again, I'm not saying it can't be done. But, it makes no sense. Why intentionally make your life harder (potentially), and make your group's life harder (again potentially)? I don't understand.
Like even when I play Skyrim and other Elder Scrolls games. I'd look at the races, and decide from there how I'd go about my build. If I picked an Altmer, they were going to be strictly involved with magicka. If I picked an Orc? Stamina/melee it was. And so on. I never saw the appeal of mixing things up for no reason, and going about "hybrid-builds".
Some people will respecc from stam to mag or vice versa instead of rerolling.BawKinTackWarDs PS4/NA0 -
KramUzibra✭✭✭✭Rune_Relic wrote: »KramUzibra wrote: »Rune_Relic wrote: »KramUzibra wrote: »Rune_Relic wrote: »KramUzibra wrote: »Rune_Relic wrote: »Mine says page cant be reached. And I agree to that said but, I also disagree with some of that mentality. If you bluntly tell someone "Hey your build is wrong, do this this this and this or you're a skrub" then I completely agree to tell them to go take a walk and come back when I have the patience. But if someone actually tries to help you? Like "Hey, you know you can do this for a higher health" or "Mind if I suggest this set and you take a look at it see if you like it?" then I disagree with your mentality. Because no one gets good by themselves, you'll need help at some point.
Hhhmm! So how did the 1st players clear hardmode dungeons ?
Who taught them what to do and when ?
No.
There really isnt any excuse to be telling anyone what they should and should not be doing unless you were asked for advice.
Whether you choose to give any advice is of course upto you.Some people like to figure stuff out for themselves
Wrong If your in my group and not preforming adequately then I absolutely have an excuse to tell you or suggest playing your class/build a certain way that may be more effective for whatever content we as a group are attempting to accomplish.
No you have the right to suggest you may be able to improve someone.
And they have the right to say....no thanks.
It is not YOUR group. Thats the ultimately telling point of the statement you are making.
I run dungeons with the same two players, my sister and her boyfriend and we usually use the group finder or pick up a random to help with the dungeon. Soooo it is my group and it is my RIGHT to tell you what you should use. It's your right or the random players right to decide whether or not they listen and if they choose not to then it is my right to tell my sister and her boyfriend to kick him or her because they are unwilling to compromise in order to complete the dungeon.
lmao what the hell are you taking about.
My group
My right.
Are you even listening to yourself ?
I think you should just stick with your sister and boyfriend TBH.
I don't have any problems with randoms. I never had but if a player comes along and is unwilling to compromise with my group in order to complete the dungeon the logical solution would be to kick them and pick up another player. Also I'm not incorrect when I say my group or my right. JUST like it's the random players right to accept the advice or leave.KramUzibra wrote: »Rune_Relic wrote: »KramUzibra wrote: »Rune_Relic wrote: »KramUzibra wrote: »Rune_Relic wrote: »Mine says page cant be reached. And I agree to that said but, I also disagree with some of that mentality. If you bluntly tell someone "Hey your build is wrong, do this this this and this or you're a skrub" then I completely agree to tell them to go take a walk and come back when I have the patience. But if someone actually tries to help you? Like "Hey, you know you can do this for a higher health" or "Mind if I suggest this set and you take a look at it see if you like it?" then I disagree with your mentality. Because no one gets good by themselves, you'll need help at some point.
Hhhmm! So how did the 1st players clear hardmode dungeons ?
Who taught them what to do and when ?
No.
There really isnt any excuse to be telling anyone what they should and should not be doing unless you were asked for advice.
Whether you choose to give any advice is of course upto you.Some people like to figure stuff out for themselves
Wrong If your in my group and not preforming adequately then I absolutely have an excuse to tell you or suggest playing your class/build a certain way that may be more effective for whatever content we as a group are attempting to accomplish.
No you have the right to suggest you may be able to improve someone.
And they have the right to say....no thanks.
It is not YOUR group. Thats the ultimately telling point of the statement you are making.
I run dungeons with the same two players, my sister and her boyfriend and we usually use the group finder or pick up a random to help with the dungeon. Soooo it is my group and it is my RIGHT to tell you what you should use. It's your right or the random players right to decide whether or not they listen and if they choose not to then it is my right to tell my sister and her boyfriend to kick him or her because they are unwilling to compromise in order to complete the dungeon.
lmao what the hell are you taking about.
My group
My right.
Are you even listening to yourself ?
I think you should just stick with your sister and boyfriend TBH.
I don't have any problems with randoms. I never had but if a player comes along and is unwilling to compromise with my group in order to complete the dungeon the logical solution would be to kick them and pick up another player. Also I'm not incorrect when I say my group or my right. JUST like it's the random players right to accept the advice or leave.
Mate. You have already told us how your regime operates.
Any new player will do what they're told and if they dont they will be kicked.
Not only that.....group consensus is irrelevant because...
..you TOLD you sister and boyfriend to kick people.
Your definition of compromise is apparently..
..my way or the highway.
I run dungeons with the same two players, my sister and her boyfriend and we usually use the group finder or pick up a random to help with the dungeon. Soooo it is my group and it is my RIGHT to tell you what you should use. It's your right or the random players right to decide whether or not they listen and if they choose not to then it is my right to tell my sister and her boyfriend to kick him or her because they are unwilling to compromise in order to complete the dungeon.
I was making a point! It's is my right to if I choose. I did not say that is always my approach. Iv already said my typical approach is polite and helpful. If I ran around barking orders at every player that joined my group I wouldn't get anything done. yes ultimately if I tell them to kick they will and vice versa. that doesn't mean we as a group don't try and do all we can to help the random. The fact is if the random is non-compliant it is in the best interests of the group to Kick. The same goes for me when I enter a random group.Edited by KramUzibra on November 4, 2016 4:40PM0 -
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✭So just because 1 khajiit healer and tank can pull off first spot on leaderboards doesn't mean it's a good idea for all teams.
Many of those leaderboard top players are experienced as hell, and can play with less than optimal builds, gear and races and get great results - that doesn't mean other trial guilds can do that.
It's not weird that the less experienced trial guilds cut off the low hanging fruits such as bad race, bad gear, bad build
-they do that untill they somewhat get to gather a team to try out the trials, pull through a few times - start farming, then go for Hardmode and after that hell can be farmed they start to relax and become more open-minded lolEdited by failkiwib16_ESO on November 4, 2016 4:41PM0 -
Danksta✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Rune_Relic wrote: »@RuneRelic
Did not get warned by the notification so have no idea.
And yes, you have every right to follow the help or not, all I'm saying is to not call someone rude or act dickish towards people who only want to help and meant good.
All I am saying is...
If you were helping you would have been asked for it beforehand.
You werent asked...so you're lecturing.
Lecturing people gets the response it deserves.
There's plenty of reasons people may not ask for help despite wanting it. I'm usually hesitant to offer my help to people that don't ask first, because you don't know what kind of reaction you'll get. Of the times I have given advice without someone asking for it I'd say about half the time it was welcomed by the person I had offered it to.BawKinTackWarDs PS4/NA0 -
SaibotLiu✭✭✭✭Eh it's just general cowardice from players, who only feel tough or important because they're in their element. The best way to handle this is become good yourself and then extend generosity to less skilled players, and then smack down rude *** who want to micromanage everybody elses playtime. If you're a good player and you make an example of that kinda scum then people will listen to you instead, hence denutting whatever authority aforementioned scum thought they had.Edited by SaibotLiu on November 4, 2016 4:44PM3 -
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Your argument boils down to you pretending that somebody said Khajiit are the best at healing. That's a lie, nobody ever said that. What people said is that it's possible to complete the hardest content in the game with a Khajiit healer. That's not even close to saying that Khajiit are the best healers. What it's actually saying is that any race can be a good enough healer to do any content, and it's stupid to judge someone as being unable to do certain content because they're not using the optimal race/class/role combo.Lord_Dexter wrote: »
So somehow in your head that's the same as saying they're the best choice for healing? How in the hell did you make that leap? That statement says nothing other than that they're viable for trials... Anything else that you chose to infer from it is just something that you made up in order to argue against.Lord_Dexter wrote: »You should read post # 12, i am sure direct or indirect way of writing shld not be an issue..
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Current world #1 Sanctum Ophidia and #1 Hel Ra Citadel have a khajiit healer and a khajiit tank in the team. Just sayin.
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I can not understand you and your arguments,
Trial is end game contents, mentioning khajit as top Healer in trial is something that they are perhaps good at (as per that post)..i can not debate with you, i just had mentioned that point and you started debating and flaming ...
I just wanted not to participate any more in this thread..
Your argument is a strawman. Pure and simple.
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Lord_Eomer✭✭✭✭✭
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Your argument boils down to you pretending that somebody said Khajiit are the best at healing. That's a lie, nobody ever said that. What people said is that it's possible to complete the hardest content in the game with a Khajiit healer. That's not even close to saying that Khajiit are the best healers. What it's actually saying is that any race can be a good enough healer to do any content, and it's stupid to judge someone as being unable to do certain content because they're not using the optimal race/class/role combo.Lord_Dexter wrote: »
So somehow in your head that's the same as saying they're the best choice for healing? How in the hell did you make that leap? That statement says nothing other than that they're viable for trials... Anything else that you chose to infer from it is just something that you made up in order to argue against.Lord_Dexter wrote: »You should read post # 12, i am sure direct or indirect way of writing shld not be an issue..
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Current world #1 Sanctum Ophidia and #1 Hel Ra Citadel have a khajiit healer and a khajiit tank in the team. Just sayin.
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I can not understand you and your arguments,
Trial is end game contents, mentioning khajit as top Healer in trial is something that they are perhaps good at (as per that post)..i can not debate with you, i just had mentioned that point and you started debating and flaming ...
I just wanted not to participate any more in this thread..
Your argument is a strawman. Pure and simple.
Your are someone who is not getting over things and seriously perhaps have some issue and trying best to mock others..
I said in above post with Weoler that i took it that way but you are keep pushing on..
Just read above threads there was some misunderstanding happened b/w mine and weoler post..Edited by Lord_Eomer on November 4, 2016 4:53PM0 -
IrishGirlGamer✭✭✭✭✭
✭Lord_Dexter wrote: »Lord_Dexter wrote: »
Current world #1 Sanctum Ophidia and #1 Hel Ra Citadel have a khajiit healer and a khajiit tank in the team. Just sayin.
I am not about to debate this point, Khajit Racial passives for Healer just not competitive as other Breton or Altmers..
With new sets it does not mattet a lot about race passives stuff but still count somehow..
Lol. I just want to know the logic behind taking a race that has no actual benefits toward the role that they're aiming for, and attempting to mold it into that role. Unless for roleplay reasons. And again, I'm not saying it can't be done. But, it makes no sense. Why intentionally make your life harder (potentially), and make your group's life harder (again potentially)? I don't understand.
Like even when I play Skyrim and other Elder Scrolls games. I'd look at the races, and decide from there how I'd go about my build. If I picked an Altmer, they were going to be strictly involved with magicka. If I picked an Orc? Stamina/melee it was. And so on. I never saw the appeal of mixing things up for no reason, and going about "hybrid-builds".
Because it's fun? Because it can be a challenge? Because it's more interesting than just playing the meta?
Because at the end of the day, I'm not playing DOTA, not trying to be an e-sports star, not trying to impress anyone. I'm just playing a game.
[And I'm also not trying to be snarky. You asked how for the logic and I'm answering the question. BTW, I do the exact same thing in Skryim. I'd pick the Altmer and make all her magicka a passive factor ... just for fun. But then Skyrim was crazy easy.]Integral1900 wrote: »Rule one of online games, it's not anyone's game, it's the developers. Read the agreement you signed if you don't believe me. The poster is correct in that it is their choice to listen to advice but equally if they are being a totaly unreasonable passenger then the group also has every right to give them the boot
If you behave like a spoilt child you cannot complain when the world treats you like one.
As snarky as this sounds, it's true. IF this is Rule One THEN Rule Two is if you go into PUGs, you should expect to do your job or get kicked. You may not have to be perfect, but you can't expect others to carry you. And you should be willing to listen when players are trying to help.
Getting kicked from a PUG before you even get started can be annoying and hurtful, which is why I don't do PUGs. I don't want to take the time to explain my build to someone who just bought the game a couple of months ago and knows everything because they can run the meta. If their attitude is "My Group, My Rules" then, sweet pea, you can just keep spamming your request for a healer in zone chat.
Edited by IrishGirlGamer on November 4, 2016 6:16PMValar Morghulis.
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Rune_Relic✭✭✭✭✭
✭@Rune_Relic
Hi there. So I don't know you at all, and we can't see your image, so I don't know what kind of advice you received, or even if it was earned. This answer might not apply to you, but let me tell you a little story that happened couple days ago.
So I was in a PUG in normal CoS. Me as DPS around 200 CP, another DPS above me, and a healer at 400 something. The tank was around 60 CP. Was running resto and SnB, but I think he never taunted in the whole damn dungeon. When we asked him to taunt, in voice chat and in written chat, he never replied. When we asked him to engage, he never replied. We didn't kick him, we finished the dungeon with everyone of us taking alternate random aggro (with a couple wipes on Velidreth), but thanks this was just normal difficulty, or we would never have it finished.
My point is, sometimes advices are deserved, even if they are not asked. I'm not saying it is your case, as I don't know you at all. It doesn't seem to be,since you look a lot less noob than myself. Nonetheless, many times people will give them because it will greatly increase the enjoyment of the WHOLE group. You're right, it's not MY group. But it's not YOURS either. People have to stop thinking that they can just head in any competitive group instance, do anything they want, even if it's not helping the group at all, and think that other ppl can't complain.
This is a ''play however you want'' game. In solo overland questing. When you play with other ppl, they have expectations. If you don't answer them, most ppl will kindly give you advices. And if you ruin their fun by screwing around, they have the right to kick you. Once again, it's not just 1 ppl that own the group that will kick you. The whole group has to agree to kick someone.
Just my 2 cents...
So Its a PUG....its Normal.
You are going to get new players and inexperienced players and even bad players.
No surprise there really is there.
If you cant face running with new, inexperienced or bad players.
1. Dont PUG
2. Dont do normal.
What if they didnt know how to use zone chat ?
What if they couldnt type fast enough with everything going on ?
What if they had no idea what a taunt was or how to get it ?
Every body is bad at start and you have to accept you are going to get that in a PUG and especially in normal.
A CP60 has no other ALTS.
It really doesnt take long to get 60CP either.
So you are looking at someone that has probably grind all the way to level 50 and then started venturing into dungeons.
Probably with very few passives and skills unlocked.
How is a player going to git gud after kick, kick, kick, kick, kick....
And someone doing a learning run for the first time is looking for a competitive group instance ?Edited by Rune_Relic on November 4, 2016 5:02PMAnything that can be exploited will be exploited3 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭KramUzibra wrote: »KramUzibra wrote: »Rune_Relic wrote: »Mine says page cant be reached. And I agree to that said but, I also disagree with some of that mentality. If you bluntly tell someone "Hey your build is wrong, do this this this and this or you're a skrub" then I completely agree to tell them to go take a walk and come back when I have the patience. But if someone actually tries to help you? Like "Hey, you know you can do this for a higher health" or "Mind if I suggest this set and you take a look at it see if you like it?" then I disagree with your mentality. Because no one gets good by themselves, you'll need help at some point.
Hhhmm! So how did the 1st players clear hardmode dungeons ?
Who taught them what to do and when ?
No.
There really isnt any excuse to be telling anyone what they should and should not be doing unless you were asked for advice.
Whether you choose to give any advice is of course upto you.Some people like to figure stuff out for themselves
Wrong If your in my group and not preforming adequately then I absolutely have an excuse to tell you or suggest playing your class/build a certain way that may be more effective for whatever content we as a group are attempting to accomplish.
The difference between "tell" and "suggest" is the real point whenever these threads come up.
Essentially the same thing. only one is more polite than the other. Bottom line if your don't want to listen or accept the advice of others then don't be surprised when your kicked.
The fact that some can't see any essential difference between them illustrates all too clearly why these threads keep popping up.
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✭Rune_Relic wrote: »@RuneRelic
Did not get warned by the notification so have no idea.
And yes, you have every right to follow the help or not, all I'm saying is to not call someone rude or act dickish towards people who only want to help and meant good.
All I am saying is...
If you were helping you would have been asked for it beforehand.
You werent asked...so you're lecturing.
Lecturing people gets the response it deserves.
There's plenty of reasons people may not ask for help despite wanting it. I'm usually hesitant to offer my help to people that don't ask first, because you don't know what kind of reaction you'll get. Of the times I have given advice without someone asking for it I'd say about half the time it was welcomed by the person I had offered it to.
Or it could be that they are being polite to get through the dungeon rather than start a fight and make the experience even worse.Anything that can be exploited will be exploited2 -
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✭KramUzibra wrote: »KramUzibra wrote: »Rune_Relic wrote: »Mine says page cant be reached. And I agree to that said but, I also disagree with some of that mentality. If you bluntly tell someone "Hey your build is wrong, do this this this and this or you're a skrub" then I completely agree to tell them to go take a walk and come back when I have the patience. But if someone actually tries to help you? Like "Hey, you know you can do this for a higher health" or "Mind if I suggest this set and you take a look at it see if you like it?" then I disagree with your mentality. Because no one gets good by themselves, you'll need help at some point.
Hhhmm! So how did the 1st players clear hardmode dungeons ?
Who taught them what to do and when ?
No.
There really isnt any excuse to be telling anyone what they should and should not be doing unless you were asked for advice.
Whether you choose to give any advice is of course upto you.Some people like to figure stuff out for themselves
Wrong If your in my group and not preforming adequately then I absolutely have an excuse to tell you or suggest playing your class/build a certain way that may be more effective for whatever content we as a group are attempting to accomplish.
The difference between "tell" and "suggest" is the real point whenever these threads come up.
Essentially the same thing. only one is more polite than the other. Bottom line if your don't want to listen or accept the advice of others then don't be surprised when your kicked.
The fact that some can't see any essential difference between them illustrates all too clearly why these threads keep popping up.
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✭I remember being a healer in one pug normal dungeon, and the only templar in group, and although we did it without single death, at the end I was called "the worst healer" by someone just because I didn't have shards that would give him stamina.
Now it's a matter of choice, who was more rude, me - not providing shards (because I did not have it unlocked and no free skill points at that moment), or him - going into dungeon with improper build or being unable to deal with own recources in proper way. I remember I didn't comment this in group chat, because I was so much surprised.
Later I wondered what the other 2 players were thinking, once I was accused of being the worst player just because of lack of single ability...
Point of view depends so much on the point of seat.PC EU (PL): 14 characters. ESO player since 06.08.2015. Farkas finest quote: "Some people don't think I'm smart. Those people get my fist. But you, I like."1 -
KramUzibra✭✭✭✭KramUzibra wrote: »KramUzibra wrote: »Rune_Relic wrote: »Mine says page cant be reached. And I agree to that said but, I also disagree with some of that mentality. If you bluntly tell someone "Hey your build is wrong, do this this this and this or you're a skrub" then I completely agree to tell them to go take a walk and come back when I have the patience. But if someone actually tries to help you? Like "Hey, you know you can do this for a higher health" or "Mind if I suggest this set and you take a look at it see if you like it?" then I disagree with your mentality. Because no one gets good by themselves, you'll need help at some point.
Hhhmm! So how did the 1st players clear hardmode dungeons ?
Who taught them what to do and when ?
No.
There really isnt any excuse to be telling anyone what they should and should not be doing unless you were asked for advice.
Whether you choose to give any advice is of course upto you.Some people like to figure stuff out for themselves
Wrong If your in my group and not preforming adequately then I absolutely have an excuse to tell you or suggest playing your class/build a certain way that may be more effective for whatever content we as a group are attempting to accomplish.
The difference between "tell" and "suggest" is the real point whenever these threads come up.
Essentially the same thing. only one is more polite than the other. Bottom line if your don't want to listen or accept the advice of others then don't be surprised when your kicked.
The fact that some can't see any essential difference between them illustrates all too clearly why these threads keep popping up.
Your right I shouldn't have said they are the same however both telling or suggesting a player should play or run a certain build or abilities are possible solutions in regards to content completion. The question is the effectiveness of the two methods. Most I assume would agree being rude will most likely yield a negative response and may not achieve your desired goal. So your best option is to be polite and hope the player consider your advice. If not.....kick em!!!0 -
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Sorry that happened to you, I wouldn't worry about it at all and would take the no death run as a win for you. It reminds me of one of my worst experiences healing when I got into a pug for vwgt. I was maxed out with everything, ideal setup and skills (combat prayer to buff, orbs, ele drain, shards, repentance, rr, etc...) and the tank lost his mind when I said yes I use luminous shards so you'll be fine with stam. He screamed, well that's dumb you need blazing I can't play without blazing spear...he obviously had no idea about the Templar skill line and when I tried to inform him that he would be even better off with luminous, I realized there was no way I could play in that group. Way too rude without even knowing what he was talking about.I remember being a healer in one pug normal dungeon, and the only templar in group, and although we did it without single death, at the end I was called "the worst healer" by someone just because I didn't have shards that would give him stamina.
Now it's a matter of choice, who was more rude, me - not providing shards (because I did not have it unlocked and no free skill points at that moment), or him - going into dungeon with improper build or being unable to deal with own recources in proper way. I remember I didn't comment this in group chat, because I was so much surprised.
Later I wondered what the other 2 players were thinking, once I was accused of being the worst player just because of lack of single ability...
Point of view depends so much on the point of seat.
I don't know...if someone wants to be a jerk and act like they're "so l33t bro", they better be the best player I have ever seen
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Two questions:KramUzibra wrote: »KramUzibra wrote: »KramUzibra wrote: »Rune_Relic wrote: »Mine says page cant be reached. And I agree to that said but, I also disagree with some of that mentality. If you bluntly tell someone "Hey your build is wrong, do this this this and this or you're a skrub" then I completely agree to tell them to go take a walk and come back when I have the patience. But if someone actually tries to help you? Like "Hey, you know you can do this for a higher health" or "Mind if I suggest this set and you take a look at it see if you like it?" then I disagree with your mentality. Because no one gets good by themselves, you'll need help at some point.
Hhhmm! So how did the 1st players clear hardmode dungeons ?
Who taught them what to do and when ?
No.
There really isnt any excuse to be telling anyone what they should and should not be doing unless you were asked for advice.
Whether you choose to give any advice is of course upto you.Some people like to figure stuff out for themselves
Wrong If your in my group and not preforming adequately then I absolutely have an excuse to tell you or suggest playing your class/build a certain way that may be more effective for whatever content we as a group are attempting to accomplish.
The difference between "tell" and "suggest" is the real point whenever these threads come up.
Essentially the same thing. only one is more polite than the other. Bottom line if your don't want to listen or accept the advice of others then don't be surprised when your kicked.
The fact that some can't see any essential difference between them illustrates all too clearly why these threads keep popping up.
Your right I shouldn't have said they are the same however both telling or suggesting a player should play or run a certain build or abilities are possible solutions in regards to content completion. The question is the effectiveness of the two methods. Most I assume would agree being rude will most likely yield a negative response and may not achieve your desired goal. So your best option is to be polite and hope the player consider your advice. If not.....kick em!!!
1. What happens when you give advice and they say okay thanks I'll work on that, but don't have the means to go make new gear, respec points, or unlock any skills you mentioned? Do they still get kicked?
2. Have you ever completed vma? Do you have your sharpened maelstrom weapons? Have you cleared vmol? I'm just curious why you think your advice should be taken so whole heartedly by players who don't even know you or your accomplishments.
I'm all for giving tips and advice to newer players, but perhaps if you're taking it this seriously, group finder isn't for you.
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Did not get warned by the notification so have no idea.
And yes, you have every right to follow the help or not, all I'm saying is to not call someone rude or act dickish towards people who only want to help and meant good.
All I am saying is...
If you were helping you would have been asked for it beforehand.
You werent asked...so you're lecturing.
Lecturing people gets the response it deserves.
There's plenty of reasons people may not ask for help despite wanting it. I'm usually hesitant to offer my help to people that don't ask first, because you don't know what kind of reaction you'll get. Of the times I have given advice without someone asking for it I'd say about half the time it was welcomed by the person I had offered it to.
Or it could be that they are being polite to get through the dungeon rather than start a fight and make the experience even worse.
Some could be, but I can assure you not all of them. Some of them became guildmates of mine. Regardless, some people just like to help, like me. I once was in a position where I needed a great deal of help and ended up having to figure out a lot of things on my own and would like to prevent other people from having the same difficulties. I was also one of those people that didn't want to ask for help. My reason, a combination of stubbornness and pride. Sure it's silly but there are people out there that want help, but for one reason or another won't ask.
I will say that if I take the initiative to give advice that I do so with kid gloves. I know not everyone is like that and some are more than willing to make an ass out of the inexperienced. But it seems that you have an issue with people that are willing to give advice, whether it comes from a good place or not.BawKinTackWarDs PS4/NA0 -
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KramUzibra✭✭✭✭Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »
Two questions:KramUzibra wrote: »KramUzibra wrote: »KramUzibra wrote: »Rune_Relic wrote: »Mine says page cant be reached. And I agree to that said but, I also disagree with some of that mentality. If you bluntly tell someone "Hey your build is wrong, do this this this and this or you're a skrub" then I completely agree to tell them to go take a walk and come back when I have the patience. But if someone actually tries to help you? Like "Hey, you know you can do this for a higher health" or "Mind if I suggest this set and you take a look at it see if you like it?" then I disagree with your mentality. Because no one gets good by themselves, you'll need help at some point.
Hhhmm! So how did the 1st players clear hardmode dungeons ?
Who taught them what to do and when ?
No.
There really isnt any excuse to be telling anyone what they should and should not be doing unless you were asked for advice.
Whether you choose to give any advice is of course upto you.Some people like to figure stuff out for themselves
Wrong If your in my group and not preforming adequately then I absolutely have an excuse to tell you or suggest playing your class/build a certain way that may be more effective for whatever content we as a group are attempting to accomplish.
The difference between "tell" and "suggest" is the real point whenever these threads come up.
Essentially the same thing. only one is more polite than the other. Bottom line if your don't want to listen or accept the advice of others then don't be surprised when your kicked.
The fact that some can't see any essential difference between them illustrates all too clearly why these threads keep popping up.
Your right I shouldn't have said they are the same however both telling or suggesting a player should play or run a certain build or abilities are possible solutions in regards to content completion. The question is the effectiveness of the two methods. Most I assume would agree being rude will most likely yield a negative response and may not achieve your desired goal. So your best option is to be polite and hope the player consider your advice. If not.....kick em!!!
1. What happens when you give advice and they say okay thanks I'll work on that, but don't have the means to go make new gear, respec points, or unlock any skills you mentioned? Do they still get kicked?
2. Have you ever completed vma? Do you have your sharpened maelstrom weapons? Have you cleared vmol? I'm just curious why you think your advice should be taken so whole heartedly by players who don't even know you or your accomplishments.
I'm all for giving tips and advice to newer players, but perhaps if you're taking it this seriously, group finder isn't for you.
Lol idk I try my best to help with what I can. I might friend them and offer to run the dungeon at a later date when they are able to improve their character.0 -
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I make sure I am polite about it, and I will only give one unsolicited piece of advice per dungeon. (I don't count "explanation of boss mechanics" as advice, but I do make sure someone needs it first.) If people want to know more they can ask, I leave the door open, but there's no need to give people more than one new thing to concentrate on at a time unless they want more.
For example, tanking. For a very beginner tank I might ask (politely and friendly), "Are you using one of the two in-game taunts on that boss?" This usually leads to a pause in the dungeon while I tell the tank where to find the two different taunts, and we discuss advantages/disadvantages.
For a taunt and block tank, I will mention the different colored lines monsters give off before an attack and how to tell if you can interrupt it with a bash.
For a highly experienced tank using a different tanking method on a boss that I haven't seen, I will mention the method(s) I know and ask why they prefer their method. Sometimes they learn something new, sometimes I learn something new, and either way it's usually an interesting discussion! (My lvl 33 tank can utilize some more advanced methods I have learned from some really stellar tanks my healer has run with).Why be normal when you can be better?
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✭✭✭✭✭KramUzibra wrote: »Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »
Two questions:KramUzibra wrote: »KramUzibra wrote: »KramUzibra wrote: »Rune_Relic wrote: »Mine says page cant be reached. And I agree to that said but, I also disagree with some of that mentality. If you bluntly tell someone "Hey your build is wrong, do this this this and this or you're a skrub" then I completely agree to tell them to go take a walk and come back when I have the patience. But if someone actually tries to help you? Like "Hey, you know you can do this for a higher health" or "Mind if I suggest this set and you take a look at it see if you like it?" then I disagree with your mentality. Because no one gets good by themselves, you'll need help at some point.
Hhhmm! So how did the 1st players clear hardmode dungeons ?
Who taught them what to do and when ?
No.
There really isnt any excuse to be telling anyone what they should and should not be doing unless you were asked for advice.
Whether you choose to give any advice is of course upto you.Some people like to figure stuff out for themselves
Wrong If your in my group and not preforming adequately then I absolutely have an excuse to tell you or suggest playing your class/build a certain way that may be more effective for whatever content we as a group are attempting to accomplish.
The difference between "tell" and "suggest" is the real point whenever these threads come up.
Essentially the same thing. only one is more polite than the other. Bottom line if your don't want to listen or accept the advice of others then don't be surprised when your kicked.
The fact that some can't see any essential difference between them illustrates all too clearly why these threads keep popping up.
Your right I shouldn't have said they are the same however both telling or suggesting a player should play or run a certain build or abilities are possible solutions in regards to content completion. The question is the effectiveness of the two methods. Most I assume would agree being rude will most likely yield a negative response and may not achieve your desired goal. So your best option is to be polite and hope the player consider your advice. If not.....kick em!!!
1. What happens when you give advice and they say okay thanks I'll work on that, but don't have the means to go make new gear, respec points, or unlock any skills you mentioned? Do they still get kicked?
2. Have you ever completed vma? Do you have your sharpened maelstrom weapons? Have you cleared vmol? I'm just curious why you think your advice should be taken so whole heartedly by players who don't even know you or your accomplishments.
I'm all for giving tips and advice to newer players, but perhaps if you're taking it this seriously, group finder isn't for you.
Lol idk I try my best to help with what I can. I might friend them and offer to run the dungeon at a later date when they are able to improve their character.
You are awfully short sighted.
You realize when you open your group to the group finder and then kick the person because you THINK you know better, they get penalized and have to wait before getting in queue again?
If you want to run a specific set up that's fine, but do it with a dedicated 4th or use zone chat to recruit someone that fits your desires.
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KramUzibra✭✭✭✭KramUzibra wrote: »Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »
Two questions:KramUzibra wrote: »KramUzibra wrote: »KramUzibra wrote: »Rune_Relic wrote: »Mine says page cant be reached. And I agree to that said but, I also disagree with some of that mentality. If you bluntly tell someone "Hey your build is wrong, do this this this and this or you're a skrub" then I completely agree to tell them to go take a walk and come back when I have the patience. But if someone actually tries to help you? Like "Hey, you know you can do this for a higher health" or "Mind if I suggest this set and you take a look at it see if you like it?" then I disagree with your mentality. Because no one gets good by themselves, you'll need help at some point.
Hhhmm! So how did the 1st players clear hardmode dungeons ?
Who taught them what to do and when ?
No.
There really isnt any excuse to be telling anyone what they should and should not be doing unless you were asked for advice.
Whether you choose to give any advice is of course upto you.Some people like to figure stuff out for themselves
Wrong If your in my group and not preforming adequately then I absolutely have an excuse to tell you or suggest playing your class/build a certain way that may be more effective for whatever content we as a group are attempting to accomplish.
The difference between "tell" and "suggest" is the real point whenever these threads come up.
Essentially the same thing. only one is more polite than the other. Bottom line if your don't want to listen or accept the advice of others then don't be surprised when your kicked.
The fact that some can't see any essential difference between them illustrates all too clearly why these threads keep popping up.
Your right I shouldn't have said they are the same however both telling or suggesting a player should play or run a certain build or abilities are possible solutions in regards to content completion. The question is the effectiveness of the two methods. Most I assume would agree being rude will most likely yield a negative response and may not achieve your desired goal. So your best option is to be polite and hope the player consider your advice. If not.....kick em!!!
1. What happens when you give advice and they say okay thanks I'll work on that, but don't have the means to go make new gear, respec points, or unlock any skills you mentioned? Do they still get kicked?
2. Have you ever completed vma? Do you have your sharpened maelstrom weapons? Have you cleared vmol? I'm just curious why you think your advice should be taken so whole heartedly by players who don't even know you or your accomplishments.
I'm all for giving tips and advice to newer players, but perhaps if you're taking it this seriously, group finder isn't for you.
Lol idk I try my best to help with what I can. I might friend them and offer to run the dungeon at a later date when they are able to improve their character.
You are awfully short sighted.
You realize when you open your group to the group finder and then kick the person because you THINK you know better, they get penalized and have to wait before getting in queue again?
If you want to run a specific set up that's fine, but do it with a dedicated 4th or use zone chat to recruit someone that fits your desires.
Short sighted!...how? I realize the 4th party is wrongly penalized if my group decides to kick them. We try and avoid kicking if at all possible. Also performance has yet to be reason for me and my group to Kick a player. My response was a hypothetical one. if a player was sooooooo bad that made it impossible for me and my group to complete the dungeon and I had no way of helping the player improve in oder to complete it then the logical option would be to kick them.0 -
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This was directly after a dungeon:
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Don't group up with anyone if you're incapable of pulling your own weight. Show the same respect to them as you're expecting in return. Find a group of like minded people (A guild) where their builds aren't set up correctly or a group that has plenty of time wiping over and over. Run the dungeon with them.
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@Gargath well shards, repentance and breath of life is what makes templar healers so wanted, so it's one of those 3 glorious skills you didn't slot. Most DD's if they're dealing 26k-50k+ dps have extremely poor sustain and actually need the support from healers and tanks to maintain their resources - if they have to deal with their own resource gain aside from potions then it will lower their dps heavily.I remember being a healer in one pug normal dungeon, and the only templar in group, and although we did it without single death, at the end I was called "the worst healer" by someone just because I didn't have shards that would give him stamina.
Now it's a matter of choice, who was more rude, me - not providing shards (because I did not have it unlocked and no free skill points at that moment), or him - going into dungeon with improper build or being unable to deal with own recources in proper way. I remember I didn't comment this in group chat, because I was so much surprised.
Later I wondered what the other 2 players were thinking, once I was accused of being the worst player just because of lack of single ability...
Point of view depends so much on the point of seat.
However he should have nicely asked you to slot spears, or at least cover him with repentance at dungeon start or during first boss attack or something. It's really rude to tell name call and trash someone right after a dungeon run is over. It seems more like he was just being malicious and wanted you to leave the dungeon with a really bad memory, and ruin the joy from no-death achievement.
-I hope you put him on ignore.
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Lol so no then to stormproof, vmol, etc since you have glanced over that twice now? Look I'm not trying to be harsh; I think offering advice is fantastic (assuming the person giving advice actually knows what they're talking about). I'm just saying that if you're going to use the group finder, be prepared to carry a group. The opposite is true as well-if you're going to use group finder, try to pull your own weight at least.KramUzibra wrote: »Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »
Two questions:KramUzibra wrote: »KramUzibra wrote: »KramUzibra wrote: »Rune_Relic wrote: »Mine says page cant be reached. And I agree to that said but, I also disagree with some of that mentality. If you bluntly tell someone "Hey your build is wrong, do this this this and this or you're a skrub" then I completely agree to tell them to go take a walk and come back when I have the patience. But if someone actually tries to help you? Like "Hey, you know you can do this for a higher health" or "Mind if I suggest this set and you take a look at it see if you like it?" then I disagree with your mentality. Because no one gets good by themselves, you'll need help at some point.
Hhhmm! So how did the 1st players clear hardmode dungeons ?
Who taught them what to do and when ?
No.
There really isnt any excuse to be telling anyone what they should and should not be doing unless you were asked for advice.
Whether you choose to give any advice is of course upto you.Some people like to figure stuff out for themselves
Wrong If your in my group and not preforming adequately then I absolutely have an excuse to tell you or suggest playing your class/build a certain way that may be more effective for whatever content we as a group are attempting to accomplish.
The difference between "tell" and "suggest" is the real point whenever these threads come up.
Essentially the same thing. only one is more polite than the other. Bottom line if your don't want to listen or accept the advice of others then don't be surprised when your kicked.
The fact that some can't see any essential difference between them illustrates all too clearly why these threads keep popping up.
Your right I shouldn't have said they are the same however both telling or suggesting a player should play or run a certain build or abilities are possible solutions in regards to content completion. The question is the effectiveness of the two methods. Most I assume would agree being rude will most likely yield a negative response and may not achieve your desired goal. So your best option is to be polite and hope the player consider your advice. If not.....kick em!!!
1. What happens when you give advice and they say okay thanks I'll work on that, but don't have the means to go make new gear, respec points, or unlock any skills you mentioned? Do they still get kicked?
2. Have you ever completed vma? Do you have your sharpened maelstrom weapons? Have you cleared vmol? I'm just curious why you think your advice should be taken so whole heartedly by players who don't even know you or your accomplishments.
I'm all for giving tips and advice to newer players, but perhaps if you're taking it this seriously, group finder isn't for you.
Lol idk I try my best to help with what I can. I might friend them and offer to run the dungeon at a later date when they are able to improve their character.
Less experienced players are bound to be chosen for your group from time to time, so keep offering advice, but don't kick them (or disband the group) unless they are being vulgar, harassing, etc...because that penalty for getting removed is a pain for people who have limited time to play. And if you aren't prepared to carry a newer player, quit using group finder.
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Hi there. So I don't know you at all, and we can't see your image, so I don't know what kind of advice you received, or even if it was earned. This answer might not apply to you, but let me tell you a little story that happened couple days ago.
So I was in a PUG in normal CoS. Me as DPS around 200 CP, another DPS above me, and a healer at 400 something. The tank was around 60 CP. Was running resto and SnB, but I think he never taunted in the whole damn dungeon. When we asked him to taunt, in voice chat and in written chat, he never replied. When we asked him to engage, he never replied. We didn't kick him, we finished the dungeon with everyone of us taking alternate random aggro (with a couple wipes on Velidreth), but thanks this was just normal difficulty, or we would never have it finished.
My point is, sometimes advices are deserved, even if they are not asked. I'm not saying it is your case, as I don't know you at all. It doesn't seem to be,since you look a lot less noob than myself. Nonetheless, many times people will give them because it will greatly increase the enjoyment of the WHOLE group. You're right, it's not MY group. But it's not YOURS either. People have to stop thinking that they can just head in any competitive group instance, do anything they want, even if it's not helping the group at all, and think that other ppl can't complain.
This is a ''play however you want'' game. In solo overland questing. When you play with other ppl, they have expectations. If you don't answer them, most ppl will kindly give you advices. And if you ruin their fun by screwing around, they have the right to kick you. Once again, it's not just 1 ppl that own the group that will kick you. The whole group has to agree to kick someone.
Just my 2 cents...
So Its a PUG....its Normal.
You are going to get new players and inexperienced players and even bad players.
No surprise there really is there.
If you cant face running with new, inexperienced or bad players.
1. Dont PUG
2. Dont do normal.
What if they didnt know how to use zone chat ?
What if they couldnt type fast enough with everything going on ?
What if they had no idea what a taunt was or how to get it ?
Every body is bad at start and you have to accept you are going to get that in a PUG and especially in normal.
A CP60 has no other ALTS.
It really doesnt take long to get 60CP either.
So you are looking at someone that has probably grind all the way to level 50 and then started venturing into dungeons.
Probably with very few passives and skills unlocked.
How is a player going to git gud after kick, kick, kick, kick, kick....
And someone doing a learning run for the first time is looking for a competitive group instance ?
Exactly my point. Some people are new to the game and have no idea what's going on and what are tactics for each role. That's why you MUST (I didn't say can, I say MUST) give them some kind advices, even if they don't ask for them. That was the point of your original post, wasn't it? You find some guy rude because he gave you advice? Now you just protect yourself by implying everyone that doesn't agree with you automatically kick everyone that doesn't run meta build. That's just false.
IMO, the only time a kick would be necessary is when a group faces wipe after wipe because of one player not doing his role and it becomes clear that we will never be able to complete the dungeon with such a player. So, you have 2 options. Leave, because you have to go to sleep because you have work in the morning, or kick the player and wait for a decent one to join. If you leave, the remaining 3 players of the group are still stuck with the problem, but if you kick, only the kicked one has a problem. And if he gets kicked from many groups day after day, I hope he will have the decency to google some help.
When I started doing dungeons, around CP40, I was really bad. I was always dying, either from red AOE or other stuff. But I knew my role. I knew I had to dish out as much dmg as possible. And when people gave me tips and advices to understand mechanics, I said thank you. I didn't start a whining post in the forums.XBox One - NA0 -
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So are you now saying that it's not OK to correct people when they completely make stuff up? For the record the misunderstanding was that in your head you decided that he said something completely different from what he actually said (and somehow even when you went back to the post and quoted it you still didn't see that he didn't say anything remotely like what you claimed), and you went off arguing against something that nobody ever said. If I see someone doing that I'm going to correct them, period. If you choose to see me correcting you as me "having some issue and trying to mock you" then once again you're reading posts, ignoring what they actually say and just making up something completely different in your own head, because that's simply not the case.Lord_Dexter wrote: »
Your argument boils down to you pretending that somebody said Khajiit are the best at healing. That's a lie, nobody ever said that. What people said is that it's possible to complete the hardest content in the game with a Khajiit healer. That's not even close to saying that Khajiit are the best healers. What it's actually saying is that any race can be a good enough healer to do any content, and it's stupid to judge someone as being unable to do certain content because they're not using the optimal race/class/role combo.Lord_Dexter wrote: »
So somehow in your head that's the same as saying they're the best choice for healing? How in the hell did you make that leap? That statement says nothing other than that they're viable for trials... Anything else that you chose to infer from it is just something that you made up in order to argue against.Lord_Dexter wrote: »You should read post # 12, i am sure direct or indirect way of writing shld not be an issue..
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Current world #1 Sanctum Ophidia and #1 Hel Ra Citadel have a khajiit healer and a khajiit tank in the team. Just sayin.
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I can not understand you and your arguments,
Trial is end game contents, mentioning khajit as top Healer in trial is something that they are perhaps good at (as per that post)..i can not debate with you, i just had mentioned that point and you started debating and flaming ...
I just wanted not to participate any more in this thread..
Your argument is a strawman. Pure and simple.
Your are someone who is not getting over things and seriously perhaps have some issue and trying best to mock others..
I said in above post with Weoler that i took it that way but you are keep pushing on..
Just read above threads there was some misunderstanding happened b/w mine and weoler post..
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✭Rune_Relic wrote: »No.
There really isnt any excuse to be telling anyone what they should and should not be doing unless you were asked for advice.
Whether you choose to give any advice is of course upto you.
No, there really isn't any excuse to be telling me what I should and should not be doing with my mouth. If I wanna tell someone they are bad - I will and I have the right to do so. It's up to them to listen/talk to me and improve or ignore me because "boohooo he's too straightforward and mean".Rune_Relic wrote: »Hhhmm! So how did the 1st players clear hardmode dungeons ?
Who taught them what to do and when ?
They taught each other because they don't care about FEELZ and call each other out on BS and make suggestion on how to improve their performance - both individual and as a group.Rune_Relic wrote: »All I am saying is...
If you were helping you would have been asked for it beforehand.
You werent asked...so you're lecturing.
Lecturing people gets the response it deserves.
That's why you'll never clear any hard content for a while. This attitude right here. The only response "lecturing" deserves is "thank you, please tell me more". A person went out of his way to help you, initiated it without being asked.
Also don't see it as lecturing. See it as a group member complaining about your bad performance.failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »So just because 1 khajiit healer and tank can pull off first spot on leaderboards doesn't mean it's a good idea for all teams.
Many of those leaderboard top players are experienced as hell, and can play with less than optimal builds, gear and races and get great results - that doesn't mean other trial guilds can do that.
It's not weird that the less experienced trial guilds cut off the low hanging fruits such as bad race, bad gear, bad build
-they do that untill they somewhat get to gather a team to try out the trials, pull through a few times - start farming, then go for Hardmode and after that hell can be farmed they start to relax and become more open-minded lol
No one is doing that. THey are just looking at your performance. If you can heal and drop horns as a khajit - go ahead. If you can pull required DPS with Nords - go ahead and be a Nord. The other thing is that guilds like that tend to have people who want to maximize their number and will naturally go with a good race. But for healing and tanking races aren't important at all.2
