Man it is fun to Run to every guild traders to serach what you need for a good price. The pc gamers should play Without there addons like the console players and see how much fun it is.

Pallmor wrote: »

I just came back to ESO after having been off playing Neverwinter for a long time, and I forgot the most annoying aspect of this game: no auction house. So I'm sitting on a pile of purple and gold loot with no way to sell it unless I find a trade guild.

I forgot how much it SUCKS SUCKS SUCKS SUCKS to play an MMO without an auction house, or any sort of decent trade system for us casual players to sell our stuff. Guess I'll have to sell my rare motifs, recipes, and sets to a freaking vendor for 17 gold. Woo hoo!!

Well, a least ESO finally got events--after just 2.5 years. Maybe by sometime in 2020, they'll add an option for us to trade stuff too.

If what you have cant be sold without an auction house it isnt good ng to sell with one. Trash be trash no matter the system

Skcarkden wrote: »

Pallmor wrote: »

I just came back to ESO after having been off playing Neverwinter for a long time, and I forgot the most annoying aspect of this game: no auction house. So I'm sitting on a pile of purple and gold loot with no way to sell it unless I find a trade guild.

I forgot how much it SUCKS SUCKS SUCKS SUCKS to play an MMO without an auction house, or any sort of decent trade system for us casual players to sell our stuff. Guess I'll have to sell my rare motifs, recipes, and sets to a freaking vendor for 17 gold. Woo hoo!!

Well, a least ESO finally got events--after just 2.5 years. Maybe by sometime in 2020, they'll add an option for us to trade stuff too.

Unfortunately you get these players who believe the 'game' *is* all about walking and arduously searching for a very specific item without proper search functions of search memory or search favourites to speed up the process (I'm sure these fools will also argue that being able to set favourite search items would be too much and ruin the 'game'). They even make stupid excuses against it too like "rich people will just buy everyone low and sell higher if it's all in one easy place to find" so where would all this money go then? say if i listed multiples of one item and some rich dude bought it all and re-sold for higher... would i not have sold anything? i would now have money and be able to buy things too, but they like to argue as if itss one sided and that if a rich guy buys everything and re-lists it, that they automatically get a sale even though people would eventually learn "other times people have sold it lower, i can wait"

It's not like these rich elite can just buy any item and list it for the max of 2.1b and be guaranteed to have a sale, but the Anti-AH fun police like to talk in ways that leads to that thought when they claim "the rich will just buy everything and resell for more" while ignoring the fact the people selling also get money out of it, and the gold sink in the AH fee would also eventually help with that.

Hell, I don't even care if their implied claims were fully true, because at least i have an easier access to a tool to sell my items.

right now? on console especially it's annoying, we FINALLYget text chat, and you know what? it's just garbage for the most part, although on PS4 i know how to link several items into one message, and know you can use the d-pad left/right to view each item linked in a single chat message, no one else seems to except the few asking me how i did it and i told them.

Chat's just endless item links and an AH would help reduce that but OH NO, the care bears who got into an action adventure game cry because they got into a game solely for being a trader and don't want to lose control and scream how they would leave if it were ever fixed.

There is no need to fix something that's not broken in the first place. Guild traders are working as intended.

Actually many games nowdays are trying to get away from AH if they're not designed to be a quick money grab. Surely AH makes life simplier for casuals, but they're bad for the game in the long run (just as any other thing that was designed purely with casuals in mind).

Vipstaakki wrote: »

Skcarkden wrote: »

Pallmor wrote: »

I just came back to ESO after having been off playing Neverwinter for a long time, and I forgot the most annoying aspect of this game: no auction house. So I'm sitting on a pile of purple and gold loot with no way to sell it unless I find a trade guild.

I forgot how much it SUCKS SUCKS SUCKS SUCKS to play an MMO without an auction house, or any sort of decent trade system for us casual players to sell our stuff. Guess I'll have to sell my rare motifs, recipes, and sets to a freaking vendor for 17 gold. Woo hoo!!

Well, a least ESO finally got events--after just 2.5 years. Maybe by sometime in 2020, they'll add an option for us to trade stuff too.

Unfortunately you get these idiots who believe the 'game' *is* all about walking and arduously searching for a very specific item without proper search functions of search memory or search favourites to speed up the process (I'm sure these fools will also argue that being able to set favourite search items would be too much and ruin the 'game'). They even make stupid excuses against it too like "rich people will just buy everyone low and sell higher if it's all in one easy place to find" so where would all this money go then? say if i listed multiples of one item and some rich dude bought it all and re-sold for higher... would i not have sold anything? i would now have money and be able to buy things too, but they like to argue as if itss one sided and that if a rich guy buys everything and re-lists it, that they automatically get a sale even though people would eventually learn "other times people have sold it lower, i can wait"

It's not like these rich elite can just buy any item and list it for the max of 2.1b and be guaranteed to have a sale, but the Anti-AH fun police like to talk in ways that leads to that thought when they claim "the rich will just buy everything and resell for more" while ignoring the fact the people selling also get money out of it, and the gold sink in the AH fee would also eventually help with that.

Hell, I don't even care if their implied claims were fully true, because at least i have an easier access to a tool to sell my items.

right now? on console especially it's annoying, we FINALLYget text chat, and you know what? it's just garbage for the most part, although on PS4 i know how to link several items into one message, and know you can use the d-pad left/right to view each item linked in a single chat message, no one else seems to except the few asking me how i did it and i told them.

Chat's just endless item links and an AH would help reduce that but OH NO, the care bears who got into an action adventure game cry because they got into a game solely for being a trader and don't want to lose control and scream how they would leave if it were ever fixed.

There is no need to fix something that's not broken in the first place. Guild traders are working as intended.

We're not talking about whether guild traders are working as intended or not, we're talking about AH. Crown Crates when they release will be working as intended with the low odds so i expect you better not ever state the odds are too low when it happens if this is your line of reason


as for not needing a fix, i disagree with your notion. you can tell me it's fine all you like, i don't have to listen or care just because you say so.

LaiTash wrote: »

Actually many games nowdays are trying to get away from AH if they're not designed to be a quick money grab. Surely AH makes life simplier for casuals, but they're bad for the game in the long run (just as any other thing that was designed purely with casuals in mind).

So which games have removed AH ?

I see people like to say games are leaving the AH concept, without actually naming any that have actually had an AH system and removed it. As for new MMO's doing some things differently or not at all, doesn't mean it's for a good reason, sometimes you get a company who does things different just because they think they can do no wrong

Skcarkden wrote: »

LaiTash wrote: »

Actually many games nowdays are trying to get away from AH if they're not designed to be a quick money grab. Surely AH makes life simplier for casuals, but they're bad for the game in the long run (just as any other thing that was designed purely with casuals in mind).

So which games have removed AH ?

I see people like to say games are leaving the AH concept, without actually naming any that have actually had an AH system and removed it.

Let me think: albion online (local auctions only), moonlight blade (La2 style), star citisen, chronicles of elyria, path of exile... want more?

As for new MMO's doing some things differently or not at all, doesn't mean it's for a good reason, sometimes you get a company who does things different just because they think they can do no wrong

As for old MMO holding for their dated AH mechanics it doesn't mean it's for a good reason as well. They can do whatever they want in brand new games, but if the game was here for several years already, making such changes is a bad move, because you have the population who already embrace the game as it is. That's the other reason why zeni will never add AH. Or open PvP. Or whatever.

People need to understand, the ESO said there will never be an auction house because it would hurt the trade guild vendors.

(Now having said that, I'm sure the auction houses will be included by update 13, or 14 at the latest. )

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This thread again...those in favour always talk about just coming from another game or 'in WoW they have AH' alot of us have learnt MMO via ESO and are very happy with the current system.

You just need to put in a minute of effort and you can easily do all you want with the current system. AH would suck the deals out of the current system and make it boring and dull or just the same as all over games, again thats dull. Effort Vs Reward is healthy!

Trading is a mega part of this game for buyers and sellers, if you dont want to put the effort in either way then you lose out, that's all. Same with all aspects of the game.

Adapt and overcome I say.

Auction houses are just trash item dumps that would quickly nullify any perceived rarity to an item. You think you got it made with a rare motif and a few tempers? With a global auction house those will be worth absolutely nothing as the entire population throws their stash of em up in an ever increasing war to undercut and sell. With ESO I'm making millions for minimal effort, something I never could do with the 100 other mmorpgs I played using an AH system. AH's are bad for everyone, even casuals. I'd rather spam zone chat in Mournhold than move to a global AH system. Which, BTW, I still do from time to time when I want to move product immediately.

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improve the guild traders UI !!!!!! u cant even search by name !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! what is this ? 2005 ?

I am one that would prefer not to have an AH. It seems to me that they sound good up front, but the unintended consequences outweigh the benefits and ultimately hurt the game.

With a global AH anyone can post any non bound item, and anyone with the gold can purchase them. If you need an item, just buy it off the AH. No need to farm or explore for an item, just the gold. Pretty soon all activity gets concentrated in a few areas where this can be done quickly and easily. The first thing likely to break down is crafting as fewer people bother with it, There is no need to craft anything when you can buy what you want, plus the resources and skill points can be used elsewhere.

Next the power creep will begin. Now that everyone has all the uber gear they want, the standard game becomes too easy. Then the cries for more challenging content will begin so that players decked out with the greatest equipment can feel challenged. No doubt some content will be developed, which is where the veteran players will spend the bulk of their time. The existing areas will be forgotten or soloed.

When that starts the grouping system will likely begin to break down except for a few locations that are new or provide what can't be purchased. What grouping does exist will be repeative shortcut runs with limited exploration beyond the most direct path to desired goal. Once the coveted item is plentiful on the AH the focus will move on the newest content or item of value. Rinse and repeat.

Newer players will have great difficulty. They would not have the gear needed to play the tougher content, nor the gold to buy the gear. With that comes limited opportunities to group and learn from the more experienced players. For many, their stay with the game will be short lived leading to less and less new players to replace the players moving on.

In the end, Doom and Gloom... Maybe. Perhaps it seems far fetched, but I did watch this play out on another MMO. When I started playing that MMO there were several groups at whatever level I was at. If I didn't like the play style of the group I joined, or the content they were running, I could leave that group and join another group. Day or time didn't really matter I could group with someone. I ended up leaving the game because the grouping system just broke down. Except for new content there were no groups available. The few new players I met had never run most of the content, they didn't even know about a lot of it. The vets felt no need to run it because anything they wanted was on the auction house. New content was favored for a couple months, usually until something else came out. The causal players were bailing on the game because the new content was too difficult and the lack of grouping for anything outside that content.

Like I said, personally an AH sounds good upfront. But as they say, careful what you wish for.

Ed