Did One Tamriel kill trials?

flizomica · October 2016

I have my maw skin and all trial achievements save for maw hardmode, so there's absolutely no reason to keep running them because the updated trials sets (like healing mage) aren't BiS, and all gear is BoP. Previously I had been running HRC HM almost every night for gold and weeklies for fun or when we couldnt fill for hardmode. The only reason to run trials now is for a) new players who need vo/ia and b) subpar weekly rewards. Really sucks for veteran players. Gimme another gold restoration staff of alkosh pls.

Yeah yeah I know I could work on getting the dromathra destroyer title but I'd rather actually run and complete stuff than spend a thousand hours on rakkhat.

Really lacking motivation to play now because the only things I have any reason to run are dungeons..

vyndral13preub18_ESO · October 2016

It did for me. But im not a hardcore raider or anything. I just thought it was fun to farm stuff with 12 other people. Never really left normals trials. Did a couple vets trials but only one time through.

But i have the gear i want. And really it isnt worth the effort to get it on toons that dont have it, since i will get nothing else worthwhile out of the trial.

Before 1tam in the guilds i was in there was near a constant spam of people looking for trials. Now i maybe see 1-2 people asking a night.

flizomica · October 2016

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

It did for me. But im not a hardcore raider or anything. I just thought it was fun to farm stuff with 12 other people. Never really left normals trials. Did a couple vets trials but only one time through.

But i have the gear i want. And really it isnt worth the effort to get it on toons that dont have it, since i will get nothing else worthwhile out of the trial.

Before 1tam in the guilds i was in there was near a constant spam of people looking for trials. Now i maybe see 1-2 people asking a night.

It IS fun to run with other players and just shoot the *** while killing mobs, and now that aspect of the game is dead for me. I can't justify spending hours a night shooting for a leaderboard score when I really dont care that much about leaderboards (m group was #2 on HRC for a while, not like we're scrubs). I literally get nothing out of it besides bragging rights for a good score, lol.

Peekachu99 · October 2016

Attendance in trials was pretty low in the first place. I'm sure they have metrics that they use to see what the most popular content is, and that (anecdotally, without that info) seems to be 4 man dungeons, solo questing/ instances and PVP. Large scale group content is in decline in every major MMORPG. 4-5 man content is enough, imo. Easier to organize, way less hassle and drama involved.

Magic_Doogies · October 2016

No. Even now I still see people in zones asking for group dungeon trials. They just aren't doing vet.

EDIT: I'd also like to point out that once 1T dropped people were able to find many trial her sets outside of trials themselves with the exception of sets like Yokudan.
On top of that with the SHEER amount of the new sets that basically are as good some trial sets that drop doing the most basic pledges means that only those that were super into trials would care to still do them.

Eleusian · October 2016

Many of the people running trials just to make money are now camping world bosses and Dohlmans to make money. That was probably 1/2 people doing normal trials anyways.

Ghost-Shot · October 2016

Lack of consistent raid tiers killed trials. They started out ok with releasing 2 raids shortly after launch, though they were ridiculously under tuned, and releasing the second tier craglorn raid a few months later. But an 18 month gap between Sanctum Ophidia and Maw of Lorkaj saw most of the raiding guilds leave the game, and we're now 7 months into Maw with no mention of a new trial anytime soon. If this game is going to maintain a raiding community, we need to be seeing a new raid every 5-6 months.

sirrmattus · October 2016

No. 1T killed eso

sickboy2808 · October 2016

I played since launch and havent even completed Dsa V, SO or Maw. I dont think we need more Trials but a better way of grouping for them.

code65536 · October 2016

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Lack of consistent raid tiers killed trials. They started out ok with releasing 2 raids shortly after launch, though they were ridiculously under tuned, and releasing the second tier craglorn raid a few months later. But an 18 month gap between Sanctum Ophidia and Maw of Lorkaj saw most of the raiding guilds leave the game, and we're now 7 months into Maw with no mention of a new trial anytime soon. If this game is going to maintain a raiding community, we need to be seeing a new raid every 5-6 months.

Seeing as how there was a gap of almost 1 year from IC to SotH for them to add new 4-man content (which is arguably the most popular format for group content), I'd be surprised if they add trials at a pace faster than that.

Ghost-Shot · October 2016

code65536 wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Lack of consistent raid tiers killed trials. They started out ok with releasing 2 raids shortly after launch, though they were ridiculously under tuned, and releasing the second tier craglorn raid a few months later. But an 18 month gap between Sanctum Ophidia and Maw of Lorkaj saw most of the raiding guilds leave the game, and we're now 7 months into Maw with no mention of a new trial anytime soon. If this game is going to maintain a raiding community, we need to be seeing a new raid every 5-6 months.

Seeing as how there was a gap of almost 1 year from IC to SotH for them to add new 4-man content (which is arguably the most popular format for group content), I'd be surprised if they add trials at a pace faster than that.

I agree with that, I'm just stating why this game is never going to be very popular among raiders.

Stardark · October 2016

A few weeks before 1T I found that standing in Grahtwood and listening to zone was a good way to join a trial group. I ran trials every night. Just normal and mostly because I enjoyed them more than anything else, even gave my gear away if I wasn't going to use it.

Since 1T I have seen nothing, casual raising is dead, and when I eventually hit the CP cap I hope and pray that veteran raiding is still alive in some fashion.

OutLaw_Nynx · October 2016

I probably will never see the insides of a trial again. It's hard to get into vet trials, aside from armor there is little draw to normal trials

NewBlacksmurf · October 2016

Trials need an activity finder option seriously in my opinion.

People do want to do them

Callous2208 · October 2016

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Attendance in trials was pretty low in the first place. I'm sure they have metrics that they use to see what the most popular content is, and that (anecdotally, without that info) seems to be 4 man dungeons, solo questing/ instances and PVP. Large scale group content is in decline in every major MMORPG. 4-5 man content is enough, imo. Easier to organize, way less hassle and drama involved.

I couldn't agree more with this sentiment. This isn't just a One Tam problem or even an ESO problem exclusively. I am curious to see going forward, if the mmo genre will get creative and revitalize large scale group content, or concede that that time has passed and plough forward with solo, pvp, small scale group stuff.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · October 2016

Callous2208 wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Attendance in trials was pretty low in the first place. I'm sure they have metrics that they use to see what the most popular content is, and that (anecdotally, without that info) seems to be 4 man dungeons, solo questing/ instances and PVP. Large scale group content is in decline in every major MMORPG. 4-5 man content is enough, imo. Easier to organize, way less hassle and drama involved.

I couldn't agree more with this sentiment. This isn't just a One Tam problem or even an ESO problem exclusively. I am curious to see going forward, if the mmo genre will get creative and revitalize large scale group content, or concede that that time has passed and plough forward with solo, pvp, small scale group stuff.

I would think they will stay small scale. Everything they say points to it. The old wisdom is get people involved in their guilds with their friends give them things to do and they will stay. The new wisdom, everyone is going to leave anyway so give them episodes of smaller easy to do content they can come back and do whenever they want.

flizomica · October 2016

Really seems like zeni wants this game to be super casual friendly with a focus on solo and small group play..

Oakmontowls_ESO · October 2016

Don't forget that it also killed the casual trial groups cause now non vet drops blue jewelry.

flizomica · October 2016

Oakmontowls_ESO wrote: »

Don't forget that it also killed the casual trial groups cause now non vet drops blue jewelry.

very true, literally no reason to run them now. people used to ask in my guilds for nSO etc all the time, and now noone does.

Callous2208 · October 2016

chloethefoxxub17_ESO wrote: »

Really seems like zeni wants this game to be super casual friendly with a focus on solo and small group play..

Not saying I like the stance wholeheartedly but I can understand their reasoning behind it. From what I've seen lately the mmos that sway more towards hardcore than casual, don't do very well in today's market.

idk · October 2016

@chloethefoxxub17_ESO

Grats on your vMoL HM clear.

For one there is always improvement, topped my the leaderboard and such.

And for the other, PvP is The only other option, other than doing writs.

flizomica · October 2016

Callous2208 wrote: »

chloethefoxxub17_ESO wrote: »

Really seems like zeni wants this game to be super casual friendly with a focus on solo and small group play..

Not saying I like the stance wholeheartedly but I can understand their reasoning behind it. From what I've seen lately the mmos that sway more towards hardcore than casual, don't do very well in today's market.

I agree, but the thing is that zeni basically removed a reason for hardcore players to keep playing unless they are intent on vmaw hardmode or just maw clears al ltogether. The lack of new raid content makes me sad but why couldn't they at least keep gold BoE rings in trials? Like have 3 sets that drop purple in the overland drop gold in trials.. or something.

flizomica · October 2016

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

@chloethefoxxub17_ESO

Grats on your vMoL HM clear.

For one there is always improvement, topped my the leaderboard and such.

And for the other, PvP is The only other option, other than doing writs.

maw HM is the one box I havent checked off but thanks for believing in me

Solus · October 2016

chloethefoxxub17_ESO wrote: »

I have my maw skin and all trial achievements save for maw hardmode, so there's absolutely no reason to keep running them because the updated trials sets (like healing mage) aren't BiS, and all gear is BoP. Previously I had been running HRC HM almost every night for gold and weeklies for fun or when we couldnt fill for hardmode. The only reason to run trials now is for a) new players who need vo/ia and b) subpar weekly rewards. Really sucks for veteran players. Gimme another gold restoration staff of alkosh pls.

Yeah yeah I know I could work on getting the dromathra destroyer title but I'd rather actually run and complete stuff than spend a thousand hours on rakkhat.

Really lacking motivation to play now because the only things I have any reason to run are dungeons..

Lol, I feel like none of the dungeon/trial stuff should be BoP. After all the work you put into completing something like that to get an item you dont want at all (90% of the time) now its like hey i could at least sell this and use that gold to get what i want right? Nope. They kind of shot themselves in the foot by making alot of the stuff BoP.

jakeedmundson · October 2016

Solus wrote: »

chloethefoxxub17_ESO wrote: »

I have my maw skin and all trial achievements save for maw hardmode, so there's absolutely no reason to keep running them because the updated trials sets (like healing mage) aren't BiS, and all gear is BoP. Previously I had been running HRC HM almost every night for gold and weeklies for fun or when we couldnt fill for hardmode. The only reason to run trials now is for a) new players who need vo/ia and b) subpar weekly rewards. Really sucks for veteran players. Gimme another gold restoration staff of alkosh pls.

Yeah yeah I know I could work on getting the dromathra destroyer title but I'd rather actually run and complete stuff than spend a thousand hours on rakkhat.

Really lacking motivation to play now because the only things I have any reason to run are dungeons..

Lol, I feel like none of the dungeon/trial stuff should be BoP. After all the work you put into completing something like that to get an item you dont want at all (90% of the time) now its like hey i could at least sell this and use that gold to get what i want right? Nope. They kind of shot themselves in the foot by making alot of the stuff BoP.

IMO nothing should be BoP... I don't care if people sell what they find. It doesn't hurt anyone to sell your gear (undaunted chests, trial drops, and mal weapons included)

Mettaricana · October 2016

No ophidian gear tuns for me haven't heard trial mentioned since one tamriel

Callous2208 · October 2016

chloethefoxxub17_ESO wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

chloethefoxxub17_ESO wrote: »

Really seems like zeni wants this game to be super casual friendly with a focus on solo and small group play..

Not saying I like the stance wholeheartedly but I can understand their reasoning behind it. From what I've seen lately the mmos that sway more towards hardcore than casual, don't do very well in today's market.

I agree, but the thing is that zeni basically removed a reason for hardcore players to keep playing unless they are intent on vmaw hardmode or just maw clears al ltogether. The lack of new raid content makes me sad but why couldn't they at least keep gold BoE rings in trials? Like have 3 sets that drop purple in the overland drop gold in trials.. or something.

That's actually a very good question. Should've been just as you say, purple in overland, gold in trials. Or some other form of exclusive reward to give folks a reason to run them besides personal achievement/goals. I wonder if perhaps some non-gear type rewards would ever be considered. I'm not saying go full WoW but exclusive trial mounts, costumes, pets may drum up some interest if they are so intent on keeping gear loot out of the equation.

flizomica · October 2016

Solus wrote: »

chloethefoxxub17_ESO wrote: »

I have my maw skin and all trial achievements save for maw hardmode, so there's absolutely no reason to keep running them because the updated trials sets (like healing mage) aren't BiS, and all gear is BoP. Previously I had been running HRC HM almost every night for gold and weeklies for fun or when we couldnt fill for hardmode. The only reason to run trials now is for a) new players who need vo/ia and b) subpar weekly rewards. Really sucks for veteran players. Gimme another gold restoration staff of alkosh pls.

Yeah yeah I know I could work on getting the dromathra destroyer title but I'd rather actually run and complete stuff than spend a thousand hours on rakkhat.

Really lacking motivation to play now because the only things I have any reason to run are dungeons..

Lol, I feel like none of the dungeon/trial stuff should be BoP. After all the work you put into completing something like that to get an item you dont want at all (90% of the time) now its like hey i could at least sell this and use that gold to get what i want right? Nope. They kind of shot themselves in the foot by making alot of the stuff BoP.

Exactly, I dunno why zeni wants each player to be a slave to rng lol. Was so much nicer being able to buy other people's perfect drops. You have to invest time in the game either way, by farming gold or farming the item.

Sallington · October 2016

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Lack of consistent raid tiers killed trials. They started out ok with releasing 2 raids shortly after launch, though they were ridiculously under tuned, and releasing the second tier craglorn raid a few months later. But an 18 month gap between Sanctum Ophidia and Maw of Lorkaj saw most of the raiding guilds leave the game, and we're now 7 months into Maw with no mention of a new trial anytime soon. If this game is going to maintain a raiding community, we need to be seeing a new raid every 5-6 months.

I also think we need class sets and/or tiered gear sets for progressively harder content, but not a lot of people like that "old school" mindset.

timidobserver · October 2016

It reduced incentive to help introduce inexperienced players to trials.

flizomica · October 2016

Callous2208 wrote: »

chloethefoxxub17_ESO wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

chloethefoxxub17_ESO wrote: »

Really seems like zeni wants this game to be super casual friendly with a focus on solo and small group play..

Not saying I like the stance wholeheartedly but I can understand their reasoning behind it. From what I've seen lately the mmos that sway more towards hardcore than casual, don't do very well in today's market.

I agree, but the thing is that zeni basically removed a reason for hardcore players to keep playing unless they are intent on vmaw hardmode or just maw clears al ltogether. The lack of new raid content makes me sad but why couldn't they at least keep gold BoE rings in trials? Like have 3 sets that drop purple in the overland drop gold in trials.. or something.

That's actually a very good question. Should've been just as you say, purple in overland, gold in trials. Or some other form of exclusive reward to give folks a reason to run them besides personal achievement/goals. I wonder if perhaps some non-gear type rewards would ever be considered. I'm not saying go full WoW but exclusive trial mounts, costumes, pets may drum up some interest if they are so intent on keeping gear loot out of the equation.

the maw skin is a perfect example because its the main reason many people have run maw - myself included. Alkosh is a nice set ofc but lunar bastion and moondancer arent amazing. Moondancer is on par with IA for a 3-4 piece I think, just harder to farm. The skin is what makes all the wipes on twins worth, lol.