Another failed PUG Vet HelRa

kylewwefan · October 2016

Well, it wasn't exactly a PUG; it was all guild players....from a few different guilds, but nowhere near enough DPS. Why is it so freaking hard to find good DPS? Why do I keep doing this to myself? Maybe I should just stick with daily pledges.

One of these days the stars will align and well burn through the Warrior or Mage or Celestial Serpent. Til then F the vet trials. Maybe next weekend. Or tonight. Hehe.

Rebornlogic · October 2016

kylewwefan wrote: »

Well, it wasn't exactly a PUG; it was all guild players....from a few different guilds, but nowhere near enough DPS. Why is it so freaking hard to find good DPS? Why do I keep doing this to myself? Maybe I should just stick with daily pledges.

One of these days the stars will align and well burn through the Warrior or Mage or Celestial Serpent. Til then F the vet trials. Maybe next weekend. Or tonight. Hehe.

feel free to take me, i do 27k+ dps, and run alkosh to boost everyones dps @Reborn4ever

Woeler · October 2016

You dont just find good people, you make good people.

Voxicity · October 2016

I'm on the other end... 35-40k dps consistently and access to teamspeak but can't find a trial guild... rip all that wasted deeps

runagate · October 2016

I've been in HRC with groups that had well below average DPS (well, not all of them) and so long as people pay attention to the mechanics it's never been a problem.

Then again that was before the "curse of HRC" came around whereby there's random lag and one poor person, selected at random, disconnects and has to run back repeatedly.

At first I didn't even realize how hard the last boss hit as I'd never once been touched by his jump, shield, cleave, etc. Although the adds often would do decent damage picking someone out at random and blasting them pretty hard.

I recall at least 2 groups I brought there for the first time, showed (not just described) the mechanics and they effortlessly made it through on their first time. Good times.

WhitePawPrints · October 2016

I'm built for PVP so my DPS is lacking in Trials and Dungeons. It was also pointed out that I have incredibly low health (16k with food), and yet I usually am the last to die...

I'm as puggy as they come, but trials and dungeons are easy. Listen to the leader as he calls out actions, and avoid those darn red circles.

LEGENDARYYY · October 2016

The other day my group had so low dps that I had to tank 15+ welvas on the left side for 10 minutes.

Nickernator · October 2016

kylewwefan wrote: »

Well, it wasn't exactly a PUG; it was all guild players....from a few different guilds, but nowhere near enough DPS. Why is it so freaking hard to find good DPS? Why do I keep doing this to myself? Maybe I should just stick with daily pledges.

One of these days the stars will align and well burn through the Warrior or Mage or Celestial Serpent. Til then F the vet trials. Maybe next weekend. Or tonight. Hehe.

There are some people that can't deal good DPS because they don't have the required gear, if they can get the gear they want. And especially from HellRa drops some good gear, then they can do better DPS.

runagate · October 2016

LEGENDARYYY wrote: »

The other day my group had so low dps that I had to tank 15+ welvas on the left side for 10 minutes.

OK, wow. I didn't even know that was possible. I admire your patience and skill in doing that!

Wreuntzylla · October 2016

Woeler wrote: »

You dont just find good people, you make good people.

There even used to be a guild for that. Training Wheels.

Doctordarkspawn · October 2016

This is the only thing that happens when you increase difficulty with scaling. Failed runs.

xeNNNNN · October 2016

The unfortunate truth right now is that the mechanics are less important compared too DPS meaning virtually everything about the trials right now is a DPS race.

two examples:

Hel-Ra - If you cant burn the warrior down quick enough you get swamped with mobs.
Atherian archive - If you cant kill the mini mages fast enough, too many spawn and you get crushed utterly.

I havent even bothered with Maw Of Lorkaj or Sanctum ophidia - simply because everything is too much of a dps race.

Sure its important to know the mechanics in order to prevent your group from wiping but ultimately all comes down to who can burn it fast enough. Which really...is kind of sad to be honest. I want the mechanics too actually matter way more. Sure it could prove a problem for unorganised groups if they add more complicated mechanics and such but frankly the percentage of people running high DPS consistently compared to the rest of the games population is pretty small.

lolo_01b16_ESO · October 2016

Are you sure it's a dps issue?
From my experience movement and teamplay are usually much bigger issues than dps, especially if you take people from different guilds who haven't played together a lot.

code65536 · October 2016

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

This is the only thing that happens when you increase difficulty with scaling. Failed runs.

Normal Hel Ra exists.

CultOfMMO · October 2016

Nickernator wrote: »

There are some people that can't deal good DPS because they don't have the required gear, if they can get the gear they want. And especially from HellRa drops some good gear, then they can do better DPS.

doubt it, have you never seen all these forums posts where ppl who have great gear are having trouble pulling even average dps? and even in their average gear, they're pulling way below average dps.

i know most people think dps is such a brain dead role, but decent dps is probably the rarest thing in this game, especially when you consider the fact that you need at least 8 dps per trial group.

great tanks and heals can make life a lot easier in a group environment, but dps is what makes or breaks any group.

Paulington · October 2016

KaiVox22 wrote: »

I'm on the other end... 35-40k dps consistently and access to teamspeak but can't find a trial guild... rip all that wasted deeps

I see you're PC EU. Perhaps apply to one of the following:

Hodor
Beyond Infinity
Dragon's Crest
Well Fitted
Aquila Raiders
Pandora's Promise
Blut und Schweiss
Omnia Vincit

There are more than enough guilds running Trials on the EU server if you care to look.

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Voxicity · October 2016

Paulington wrote: »

KaiVox22 wrote: »

I'm on the other end... 35-40k dps consistently and access to teamspeak but can't find a trial guild... rip all that wasted deeps

I see you're PC EU. Perhaps apply to one of the following:

Hodor
Beyond Infinity
Dragon's Crest
Well Fitted
Aquila Raiders
Pandora's Promise
Blut und Schweiss
Omnia Vincit

There are more than enough guilds running Trials on the EU server if you care to look. .

@Paulington Thanks!

zyk · October 2016

kylewwefan wrote: »

Well, it wasn't exactly a PUG; it was all guild players....from a few different guilds, but nowhere near enough DPS. Why is it so freaking hard to find good DPS? Why do I keep doing this to myself? Maybe I should just stick with daily pledges.

Because 99.99% of the game is so ridiculously easy, almost no one actually learns how to play.

xeNNNNN · October 2016

code65536 wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

This is the only thing that happens when you increase difficulty with scaling. Failed runs.

Normal Hel Ra exists.

Normal is pointless, nobody wants blue jewlery and blue gear. (you can ofc upgrade the gear but still lol)

The only reason anyone would run normal is too quickly get the coffers for the motiffs thats it tbh.

raviour · October 2016

I made a vHRC PuG from guilds the last night before one tamriel, never again. Took us 5 hours and was mentally draining being lead. Half the team hadn't done it before. I got 2 people in at the end and 1 half way through after people left. Having 3 extra experienced players made all the difference.

It was still pretty fun and it's always nice to help teach people.

Hope u succeed next time

mistermacintosh · October 2016

kylewwefan wrote: »

Well, it wasn't exactly a PUG; it was all guild players....from a few different guilds, but nowhere near enough DPS. Why is it so freaking hard to find good DPS? Why do I keep doing this to myself? Maybe I should just stick with daily pledges.

One of these days the stars will align and well burn through the Warrior or Mage or Celestial Serpent. Til then F the vet trials. Maybe next weekend. Or tonight. Hehe.

If you haven't made it through Sanctum Ophidia yet I would suggest starting there - it's less of a DPS race. There is a mini-DPS race when you go into the portals for the Manticora fight, but it's not too bad if folks are pulling ~20k. Mobs aren't too bad (if you use healing springs and focus on target prioritization). The other bosses are more mechanic-focused. Once your group has enough practice, you'll break through it. You just need to practice regularly and try to keep most of the group constant so you're not starting from ground zero every attempt. Then once you clear SO you'll be ready to try Hel Ra.

Vet trials are not easy to learn when you start with a group that has no experience. You really have to do your research, practice and get your builds right to get good clears. You can carry 2 or 3 people through standard vet, but don't even attempt hard mode without a fully optimized group.

kylewwefan · October 2016

I am positive it's a DPS issue. I agree, there is no gear you can get that's going to make your Damage skyrocket. You'd have to be doing good DPS already. Good DPS is all that's required. 10k + would likely be enough......that's right 10k. Many people don't do that. For reals.

Then there's organization. Yeah. It not so good when 10 people go running all over the map.

I've actually yet to have a bad tank or bad healer in vet trials. Maybe one bad healer. Low Damage is by far the biggest problem.

When you get the warrior to 65% health, you have 5 minutes to get him down to 30% health or he wipes the group. Before you get there, notice how long it takes to burn down the air atro. If seems like it takes forever......this is a good time to throw in the towel.

Destruent · October 2016

xeNNNNN wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

This is the only thing that happens when you increase difficulty with scaling. Failed runs.

Normal Hel Ra exists.

Normal is pointless, nobody wants blue jewlery and blue gear. (you can ofc upgrade the gear but still lol)

The only reason anyone would run normal is too quickly get the coffers for the motiffs thats it tbh.

Oh really?
Blue gear/weapons --> just upgrade them
blue jewelry --> llik3 30 magicka/HP/stam less than the purple ones...the difference is really big

If you can't do vet, do normal. It's in the game for exactly that reason. The rewards are ok for this. If you want purple/gold, just improve to be able to do vet-mode.

WhiteCoatSyndrome · October 2016

kylewwefan wrote: »

One of these days the stars will align and well burn through the Warrior or Mage or Celestial Serpent.

I see what you did there!

Derra · October 2016

Imo that´s a reality check. The game is really easy outside of leaderboard activities. Vet trials, - dsa and - msa are leaderboard activities and the only "hard" content the game offers.

I think it´s fine that this content can not be completed with random pug grps. That´s what normal mode is for.

Elladan_Eloheimik · October 2016

I would tend to think that the Vet dungeons are more about the players working together in unison synchronizing and synergizing their collective dps. Everyone doing his own thing with dps will fail always.

JMHO FWIW

Thanks

Stardark · October 2016

Derra wrote: »

I think it´s fine that this content can not be completed with random pug grps. That´s what normal mode is for.

This. Even if every time you do a pug you find one person who pull's their weight add them as friends. Get that friends list built up, talk to the good people and keep trying with them.

Or better yet find a guild, which once I hit the CP cap is something I will be trying to do.

WhitePawPrints · October 2016

Stardark wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

I think it´s fine that this content can not be completed with random pug grps. That´s what normal mode is for.

This. Even if every time you do a pug you find one person who pull's their weight add them as friends. Get that friends list built up, talk to the good people and keep trying with them.

Or better yet find a guild, which once I hit the CP cap is something I will be trying to do.

Does CP even matter?! I've killed a lot of players that had 300+ CP over me.

mistermacintosh · October 2016

xeNNNNN wrote: »

The unfortunate truth right now is that the mechanics are less important compared too DPS meaning virtually everything about the trials right now is a DPS race.

two examples:

Hel-Ra - If you cant burn the warrior down quick enough you get swamped with mobs.
Atherian archive - If you cant kill the mini mages fast enough, too many spawn and you get crushed utterly.

I havent even bothered with Maw Of Lorkaj or Sanctum ophidia - simply because everything is too much of a dps race.

Sure its important to know the mechanics in order to prevent your group from wiping but ultimately all comes down to who can burn it fast enough. Which really...is kind of sad to be honest. I want the mechanics too actually matter way more. Sure it could prove a problem for unorganised groups if they add more complicated mechanics and such but frankly the percentage of people running high DPS consistently compared to the rest of the games population is pretty small.

You should try Sanctum Ophidia. It's more of a healer check than a DPS-race.

Elladan_Eloheimik · October 2016

Its about T E A M. Together everyone achieves more. The team has to work together and practice, practice, practice together to know each others strengths and weaknesses and constantly communicate about the fight at hand instead cluttering up chat with irrelevant social talk during the fight.

Forming groups with random players will not work an will fail in Vet dungeons. It really does require a close tight elite group of players that play together often. Thus that is why we have guilds.

xeNNNNN · October 2016

Destruent wrote: »

xeNNNNN wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

This is the only thing that happens when you increase difficulty with scaling. Failed runs.

Normal Hel Ra exists.

Normal is pointless, nobody wants blue jewlery and blue gear. (you can ofc upgrade the gear but still lol)

The only reason anyone would run normal is too quickly get the coffers for the motiffs thats it tbh.

Oh really?
Blue gear/weapons --> just upgrade them
blue jewelry --> llik3 30 magicka/HP/stam less than the purple ones...the difference is really big

If you can't do vet, do normal. It's in the game for exactly that reason. The rewards are ok for this. If you want purple/gold, just improve to be able to do vet-mode.

1) I had already stated that you you can upgrade
2) Contrary to popular belief people care about min maxing far more than they let on which is why they'd rather have purple and gold jewlery.
3) Ive only done 1 normal and then around 10-15 vet runs since the rescale and its usually a blast because its virtually never taken seriously or just barely at least (in case your last statement was directed at me). But the OP is talking about PUG runs, which is why he made the post. Sure for first timers or new players or unorganised groups - Normal is fine. But the difference in whats necessary between normal and vet is quite large.

Your sarcasm was totally unnecessary. Would of been nice if you actually read what I said as well.