Another failed PUG Vet HelRa

Doctordarkspawn · October 2016

All I'm geting from this thread anymore is people dont have a concept of how hard other rolls are or the intricacies of those rolls. At least I rolled a DPS before trying to explain why there are so many bad ones, jesus. I'm not saying there are not good individuals out there who have mastered multiple rolls. Buuuuut the ignorance here is shocking.

Kinda a moot point, at this point, seeing as Vet Trials are one of the few things that should not be pugable, but still. This thread makes me doubt people can even do this right, outside of training along the lines of bootcamp.

Eitherway, this stopped serving a purpose a long time ago.

Foxic · October 2016

smashcats wrote: »

smashcats wrote: »

Artis wrote: »

smashcats wrote: »

DPS does seem tough to pull off...im a mag sorc and at this moment i can get like 11-13k consistent dps

Ive researched a lot and basically it seems to all come down to my gear because I dont have IA or anything like that yet... and im only cp 228 but how much more difference is another 4% in elemental expert really gonna make at this point?

liquid lightning, wall of elements, curse, entropy, force shock spam to proc frags, mage fury execute (doesnt really help ur dps much until a certain point)

Anybody have suggestions to increase dps

Because one guy said a good player with purps can pull off more dps than a bad one with legendary's but...im not finding that to be true because im a pretty damn good player (good awareness, dont die, dodge lots, block correctly) all that kinda stuff.....

First off you need to get over your denial phase. You are not a "damn good player". Your DPS is your reality check and it's 11-13k. Now after that is done, you need to learn to weave attacks and make sure your build has skills and gear that complement each other.

If you don't have access to IA, you can use arcance willpower jewelry for now. What 5-piece are you running? What monster set? What are your stats? What is your weapon? I'm pretty sure we can help you if you provide more info. You definitely should be able to pull more than 13k. Oh wait, one more thing - 11-13k - where do these numbers come from? How did you measure that?

I got those numbers from multiple boss fights its about the highest I can hit consistently. And that's where it really matters so i dont bother going to test my dps in any other way. And years of MMO's have made me a damn good player FYI. just cause i dont have gear that makes my dps higher lol good logic. but trolling aside, im getting more used to weaving light attacks but seems like a pretty silly method just to get ur dps higher i mean is that really what this game is about...?

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

smashcats wrote: »

Artis wrote: »

smashcats wrote: »

DPS does seem tough to pull off...im a mag sorc and at this moment i can get like 11-13k consistent dps

Ive researched a lot and basically it seems to all come down to my gear because I dont have IA or anything like that yet... and im only cp 228 but how much more difference is another 4% in elemental expert really gonna make at this point?

liquid lightning, wall of elements, curse, entropy, force shock spam to proc frags, mage fury execute (doesnt really help ur dps much until a certain point)

Anybody have suggestions to increase dps

Because one guy said a good player with purps can pull off more dps than a bad one with legendary's but...im not finding that to be true because im a pretty damn good player (good awareness, dont die, dodge lots, block correctly) all that kinda stuff.....

First off you need to get over your denial phase. You are not a "damn good player". Your DPS is your reality check and it's 11-13k. Now after that is done, you need to learn to weave attacks and make sure your build has skills and gear that complement each other.

If you don't have access to IA, you can use arcance willpower jewelry for now. What 5-piece are you running? What monster set? What are your stats? What is your weapon? I'm pretty sure we can help you if you provide more info. You definitely should be able to pull more than 13k. Oh wait, one more thing - 11-13k - where do these numbers come from? How did you measure that?

I got those numbers from multiple boss fights its about the highest I can hit consistently. And that's where it really matters so i dont bother going to test my dps in any other way. And years of MMO's have made me a damn good player FYI. just cause i dont have gear that makes my dps higher lol good logic. but trolling aside, im getting more used to weaving light attacks but seems like a pretty silly method just to get ur dps higher i mean is that really what this game is about...?

Sorry, years of other mmo experience doesnt mean anything in ESO. Ive seen top world raiders from other games come to eso and fail, not that its necessarily harder but it is much different.

Weaving skills and light attacks correctly is the backbone of any good damage dealer, i could try and help you out but i would need to know what gear youre wearing, your rotation, attributes,cp level, and race in order to get a better picture so i can find out what youre doing wrong.

Source : I have a few thousand hours logged onto my sorc main and feel that im at the top level of sorc dps(as conceited as that sounds) parse for proof http://i.imgur.com/cScWMrx.png

I would love it if you wanna try to help me out, hit me up in game im online right now @ob.scure

Sorry i havent gotten back to you, ive been sick. Ill mail you when i next log in

Foxic · October 2016

Artis wrote: »

SolarCat02 wrote: »

Was 45k for stamina before the tweaks to Enchantments including the maelstrom weapons? I understand that stamina and magicka are about on par now, with magicka having a bit easier time to get higher numbers but stamina able to hit harder if they are really good.

I am just hoping for an idea of the current numbers so I can let people know about where they stand, if they want to find out. Then let them decide how they want to use that information, depending on the bits of the game they enjoy.
Our normal trials and undaunted key runs will be open to everyone regardless, but now some people who can't do the veteran Hardmodes yet will have an idea on how to get there, and those who want to get into the veteran trials group will see how far they are from their goal.

No, stamina is still stronger. And 45k is very high for self-buffed. I don't think it's realistic to get it these days.

30k+ is high, 35k+ is very high for bloodspawn.

smashcats wrote: »

I got those numbers from multiple boss fights its about the highest I can hit consistently. And that's where it really matters so i dont bother going to test my dps in any other way. And years of MMO's have made me a damn good player FYI. just cause i dont have gear that makes my dps higher lol good logic. but trolling aside, im getting more used to weaving light attacks but seems like a pretty silly method just to get ur dps higher i mean is that really what this game is about...?

Ok, you are still in denial. 11-13k dps is what healers can pull. It's not just about gear, it's about you not weaving, not reapplying ults, not thinking of a good build before even going to a dungeons - good players do those things. Just because you were a good player in another MMO, it doesn't make you a good player in this one or in general.

No, it's actually about weaving medium attacks for mages. Silly method? Why don't you do some research first? Not only weapon attacks are a huge chunk of your DPS, but they also must be used to generate ultimate, and the ultimate helps DPS a lot too. See? You demonstrate that you don't know the mechanics, so you can't call yourself a "damn good player", I'm sorry. The problem is not the gear, it's you Just practice more and you'll get there. But if you keep being in denial, insisting that you're so "damn good" and then saying what you're saying about gear/attacks, then you won't get anywhere until you get over it and accept the truth. Or until ZOS removes animation cancelling from the game and changes mechanics.
Which addon are you using to measure your DPS? FTC? Well then bind a button that shows you the table with all the skills you used and their contribution to DPS. And see for yourself. Also, compare DPS with weaving attacks and without.

@TotallyNotVos

Awesome DPS. Is there any guide or video by you? Or is there any way to get some of your knowledge? Maybe ask you in game if you're on PC NA? I'm not playing a sorc, but it'd be awesome to know how you're doing what you're doing. And maybe it will deepen the knowledge of magicka DPS overall and help with another class. And maybe I'll try a sorc later anyway haha.

Im just running the meta sorc setup. But i have a few thousand hours logged on sorcerers of all different kinds of builds. I do play on pcna @desertfox183 if you ever have any questions

Also since the animation priority changes, light attacks are more dps than medium weaving

LEGENDARYYY · October 2016

Bandit1215 wrote: »

KaiVox22 wrote: »

I'm on the other end... 35-40k dps consistently and access to teamspeak but can't find a trial guild... rip all that wasted deeps

How the heck does anyone get those kind of numbers?????!??! I'm hitting for ~21k dps in vet trials, and I have NO idea how to further boost my dps.

go youtube, tons of guides. Using the right build and the right abilities in the right order + getting rotations into your fingertips will help a lot!

Destruent · October 2016

LEGENDARYYY wrote: »

Bandit1215 wrote: »

KaiVox22 wrote: »

I'm on the other end... 35-40k dps consistently and access to teamspeak but can't find a trial guild... rip all that wasted deeps

How the heck does anyone get those kind of numbers?????!??! I'm hitting for ~21k dps in vet trials, and I have NO idea how to further boost my dps.

go youtube, tons of guides. Using the right build and the right abilities in the right order + getting rotations into your fingertips will help a lot!

You will also need a good groupdupport. Without a good group there is no way to achieve such numbers.

susmitds · October 2016

Destruent wrote: »

LEGENDARYYY wrote: »

Bandit1215 wrote: »

KaiVox22 wrote: »

I'm on the other end... 35-40k dps consistently and access to teamspeak but can't find a trial guild... rip all that wasted deeps

How the heck does anyone get those kind of numbers?????!??! I'm hitting for ~21k dps in vet trials, and I have NO idea how to further boost my dps.

go youtube, tons of guides. Using the right build and the right abilities in the right order + getting rotations into your fingertips will help a lot!

You will also need a good groupdupport. Without a good group there is no way to achieve such numbers.

There are videos of 45k self buffed damage on BS.

LEGENDARYYY · October 2016

Destruent wrote: »

LEGENDARYYY wrote: »

Bandit1215 wrote: »

KaiVox22 wrote: »

I'm on the other end... 35-40k dps consistently and access to teamspeak but can't find a trial guild... rip all that wasted deeps

How the heck does anyone get those kind of numbers?????!??! I'm hitting for ~21k dps in vet trials, and I have NO idea how to further boost my dps.

go youtube, tons of guides. Using the right build and the right abilities in the right order + getting rotations into your fingertips will help a lot!

You will also need a good groupdupport. Without a good group there is no way to achieve such numbers.

That will help a lot too ofc, but you can still pull 40k+ single solo.

My record is 50k single on last boss vMSA. That's a short fight though, usually when im unbuffed by horn im at ~35-40k if I don't *** up my rotations.

I'm not even running the ideal build cause of RNG, which means people like Alcast etc are even better than me.

So yeah, its possible.

Destruent · October 2016

susmitds wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

LEGENDARYYY wrote: »

Bandit1215 wrote: »

KaiVox22 wrote: »

I'm on the other end... 35-40k dps consistently and access to teamspeak but can't find a trial guild... rip all that wasted deeps

How the heck does anyone get those kind of numbers?????!??! I'm hitting for ~21k dps in vet trials, and I have NO idea how to further boost my dps.

go youtube, tons of guides. Using the right build and the right abilities in the right order + getting rotations into your fingertips will help a lot!

You will also need a good groupdupport. Without a good group there is no way to achieve such numbers.

There are videos of 45k self buffed damage on BS.

Bloodspawn is crap bc it dies so fast and has no mechanic. Btw. i haven't seen videos of 45k DPS on new bloodspawn...

but anyway...just saw this was referring to 35...40k DPS, which is possible without big support. I was thinking he refers to 45k...50k and more

Sry for the confusion

Woeler · October 2016

susmitds wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

LEGENDARYYY wrote: »

Bandit1215 wrote: »

KaiVox22 wrote: »

I'm on the other end... 35-40k dps consistently and access to teamspeak but can't find a trial guild... rip all that wasted deeps

How the heck does anyone get those kind of numbers?????!??! I'm hitting for ~21k dps in vet trials, and I have NO idea how to further boost my dps.

go youtube, tons of guides. Using the right build and the right abilities in the right order + getting rotations into your fingertips will help a lot!

You will also need a good groupdupport. Without a good group there is no way to achieve such numbers.

There are videos of 45k self buffed damage on BS.

Bloodspawn says nothing about your build. Go trials, do fights that take 7,8,9 minutes.

rustic_potato · October 2016

So I have 220 CP and I recently completed vet Maelstrom but my max dps parses on dungeon bosses are only around 17-18k single target. By the logic of certain people who posted on this thread I should be able to complete vet trials with no issues. However every time I try to get into a trials guild they take and look at my CP and say NO.. I see a lot of hypocrisy in this thread..