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Necromancer Class or Warden Class?
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Tryxus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Warden, because...Could do with a new class:
- New players have more variety
- Veterans will get bored with the same 4 classes over and over again (2.5 years now)
Warden's the most obvious choice then, since it was a class before it got cut.
And speaking of balance: throwing a new class in the mix could actually help with that as it gives the devs a new point of view, a fresh referrence point to base the current classes around"Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
Tryxus - Guardian of the Green - Warden - PC/EU1 -
stimpy986b14_ESO✭✭✭✭Necromancer, because...IMO the class system should be removed entirely and players should be given a choice of 3 skill lines to start with out of a selection of 12 skill lines and have the option to add more later on.
However, since they likely wont' I'd rather have a Warden class and Necromancy as a world or guild skill lineEdited by stimpy986b14_ESO on October 23, 2016 3:59PM0 -
Jsmalls✭✭✭✭✭
✭Anti_Virus wrote: »Ranger class first, The lack of archers as a role in this game is crazy considering other MMOs and even ES games had them.
I disagree I have 10 bowtards spamming snipe, poison inject, and bombard on me in Cyrodiil.1 -
Rex-Umbra✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Necromancer, because...Both are cool in concept if they can make pets function better. Necromancer was so much fun in Diablo 2.Xbox GT: Rex Umbrah
GM of IMPERIUM since 2015.1 -
BenLocoDete✭✭✭Necromancer, because...... probably because it seems the most outstanding of the two, and could provide a more diverse gameplay concept.[slit]Throat[/slit]1 -
BenLocoDete✭✭✭Necromancer, because...Silver_Strider wrote: »
Sure like you need how many years to finish balancing it, 3 more maybe? Celebrate a new class with the new TES in 2020? If after 3 years you haven't finished balancing your classes there's no big in adding a new unbalanced one to at least freshen things up a bit.[slit]Throat[/slit]2 -
Panda_iMunch✭✭✭✭captainwolfos wrote: »
I'm inclined to agree with this person, but really any class at this point would be good if they gave Wobler the freaking green light!0 -
Vaoh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Warden, because...
Oh cmon Woeler -_- . Datamining > ZOS official statements.
Because of Datamining we know:
• There will be a Vvardenfell DLC
• There are Wild Hunt, Dwemer, and Skeketon themed Crown Crates already created (not just Atronach)
• Ra Gada, Ebony, Worm Cult, Frostcaster, Skinchanger, Hollowjack, Grim Harlequin, Celestial, and so many more motifs would become craftable well before they were officially said to be made craftable
• ***Warden skill lines datamined from the One Tamriel PTS (aka *new* information just added into the game)***
• Maw of Lorkhaj was found on the Imperial City (might've been Orsinium) PTS
• TONS of spells from the delayed Spellcrafting system
There is so much more.... I couldn't possibly go over it all. You totally understand this man.
The reason Wardens were likely cut was because of class identity issues between them and Templars. Many who tested the class said the same. There is a lot of educated guessing we can do about Wardens, but to summarize it all, they've basically been redesigned and are slated to return
Yeah the current classes have balance issues but they will probably be in much better shape before Wardens release. ZOS hasn't even gotten around to announcing them yet!
Edited by Vaoh on October 23, 2016 5:07PM4 -
Osteos✭✭✭✭✭
✭Warden, because...Warden so I can stand in a green totem and throw pigeons at people.
DAGGERFALL COVENANTNA PCFormer Vehemence MemberOnistka Valerius <> Artemis Renault <> Gonk gra-Ugrash <> Karietta <> Zercon at-Rusa <> Genevieve Renault <> Ktaka <> Brenlyn Renault1 -
Apherius✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Necromancer, because...Warden or necromancer , DON'T care , give them my pet i give me Useful skill !0 -
Davor✭✭✭✭✭
✭Where is my Taco Bell girl option? Why not both?
Or how about as someone said, lets get rid of classes and play the way we want?Not my quote but I love this saying
"I would pay It for support. But since they choosed we are just numbers and not customers, i dont mind if game and zos goes to oblivion"0 -
Osteos✭✭✭✭✭
✭Warden, because...I truly don't understand the necromancer hype. Replace your twilight and clanfear with a skeleton and zombie..People complain endlessly about the pets in this game but insist on adding another class that will have pets.
DAGGERFALL COVENANTNA PCFormer Vehemence MemberOnistka Valerius <> Artemis Renault <> Gonk gra-Ugrash <> Karietta <> Zercon at-Rusa <> Genevieve Renault <> Ktaka <> Brenlyn Renault0 -
Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Necromancer, because...I truly don't understand the necromancer hype. Replace your twilight and clanfear with a skeleton and zombie..People complain endlessly about the pets in this game but insist on adding another class that will have pets.
I for one never complained about pets, and therefore wouldn't mind if a form of them were added with a Necromancer class. I welcome the class.0 -
timidobserver✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Neither of them, because...Neither because both have pets/summons. ZOS is bad at pets/summons.V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
V16 Derelict Vagabond EP Stamina DK
V16 Redacted Ep Stam Sorc
V16 Insolent EP Magicka Sorc(retired)
V16 Jed I Nyte EP Stamina NB(retired)0 -
Doctordarkspawn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Warden, because...Necromancer makes no sense given the storyline. Why would you use the methods of the people your fighting?
Warden seems cool tho.0 -
Runkorko✭✭✭✭✭
✭Neither of them, because...Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Why would you use the methods of the people your fighting?
Because they are efective and you can use same methods against them?Edited by Runkorko on October 23, 2016 6:52PM2 -
Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Necromancer, because...Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Necromancer makes no sense given the storyline. Why would you use the methods of the people your fighting?
Warden seems cool tho.
Because of the lore behind Necromancers, and necromancy basis overall. Not to mention that it's highly prevalent all across Tamriel.
As for using the methods of those we fight against, that's done already as is with the undaunted monster sets. We slay these special monsters, and obtain their powers and skills to use against them themselves in other instances. As well as against foes in general.1 -
Doctordarkspawn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Warden, because...Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Necromancer makes no sense given the storyline. Why would you use the methods of the people your fighting?
Warden seems cool tho.
Because of the lore behind Necromancers, and necromancy basis overall. Not to mention that it's highly prevalent all across Tamriel.
As for using the methods of those we fight against, that's done already as is with the undaunted monster sets. We slay these special monsters, and obtain their powers and skills to use against them themselves in other instances. As well as against foes in general.
Yeah, but your not raising their corpses and throwing them against the enemy. (Allthough that'd be cool I gotta say. Kill a boss, THEN BE ABLE TO SUMMON IT!)
It'll never happen though. You'd need to give Necromancer a viable stamina playstyle, or make pets completely viable, and neither would ever happen. Warden appears to have had a damage spec that could have doubled as a tank set, a healing/damage spec, and pets.
It was better rounded and I dont see what you could do to make necromancer that much better.
Really, much of the problem I have with it is T H E E D G E but if you could make it viable I wouldn't be that opposed. It's making it viable that's the problem.Edited by Doctordarkspawn on October 23, 2016 7:11PM1 -
Doctordarkspawn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Warden, because...runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Why would you use the methods of the people your fighting?
Because they are efective and you can use same methods against them?
The sea of necromancer corpses behind me say otherwise.0 -
subtlezeroub17_ESO✭✭✭✭Warden, because...If hircine becomes a theme of an up and coming DLC, I have really strong reason to believe wardens will come with the DLC.1 -
Abeille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Warden, because...subtlezeroub17_ESO wrote: »If hircine becomes a theme of an up and coming DLC, I have really strong reason to believe wardens will come with the DLC.
That would probably be how ZOS would introduce a new class. It would be better if it was part of the base game update that comes with the DLC, but I wouldn't put it past them putting a class behind a paywall.Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.0 -
Alsaroth✭✭Necromancer, because...Just make necromancer a skill in daedric summoning, morphing some of your skills ie. giving your pets new skins (or lack thereof)., give daedric armor some skeletal spikes, or make the ward absorb health or some such. Tada!0 -
Ankael07✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Necromancer, because...Enough with the ''balance the existing classes'' argument. Maybe the reason we have dont have balance is that we lack extra skills to adress it?
Necromancer, but it should be a world skill line not class.Be cause we are in dire need of debuffing skills in general. Buff erasing , damage and healing reduction you name it . We need to tone down the min/maxers and proclords of pvp.Edited by Ankael07 on October 24, 2016 2:11PMIf you want me to reply to your comment type @Ankael07 in it.0 -
notimetocare✭✭✭✭✭
✭Neither of them, because...Please no more classes, we already have too many skill lines locked for certain characters forever. That ruins the TES feel.
However, if I absolutely had to choose between the two, I'd support Warden assuming it's a classthat has to do with nature like all those mobs in Glenumbra. Necromancer just makes 0 sense as a separate class. Necromancy is a part of Conjuration school and Sorcerer already has that - sorcs summon armor and daedra.
Even the SP titles had things locked from certian characters. ESO is much more freeform where melee has 'spells' that fit their gameplay.0 -
subtlezeroub17_ESO✭✭✭✭Warden, because...subtlezeroub17_ESO wrote: »If hircine becomes a theme of an up and coming DLC, I have really strong reason to believe wardens will come with the DLC.
That would probably be how ZOS would introduce a new class. It would be better if it was part of the base game update that comes with the DLC, but I wouldn't put it past them putting a class behind a paywall.
Would make sense though. They want more eso+ members. But, this isnt the first time a mmo company has done this. WoW and FFXIV have done it too with expansions and such.
Luckily, we are afforded the luxury of not having to buy them all with...ESO+ lol. I highly doubt theyll make your warden unaccessible if you choose to cancel your eso+perscription though. Itll probably be available but you just cant make a new one.
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Abeille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Warden, because...subtlezeroub17_ESO wrote: »subtlezeroub17_ESO wrote: »If hircine becomes a theme of an up and coming DLC, I have really strong reason to believe wardens will come with the DLC.
That would probably be how ZOS would introduce a new class. It would be better if it was part of the base game update that comes with the DLC, but I wouldn't put it past them putting a class behind a paywall.
Would make sense though. They want more eso+ members. But, this isnt the first time a mmo company has done this. WoW and FFXIV have done it too with expansions and such.
Luckily, we are afforded the luxury of not having to buy them all with...ESO+ lol. I highly doubt theyll make your warden unaccessible if you choose to cancel your eso+perscription though. Itll probably be available but you just cant make a new one.
Yeah, I'm aware, I came to ESO straight from GW2 and they did that with an expansion too. I wouldn't nag at them for it. I'm a subscriber, even, so it would make no difference for me.
But I wouldn't jump in the threads that would show up about it and defend this choice. It isn't a practice that I particularly like.Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.0 -
Solariken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Neither of them, because...No more classes. We need more skill lines available to everyone.0 -
Digiman✭✭✭✭✭Neither of them, because...Fix the other class fairly first, none of this seesaw balance when side gets the nerf stick while the other gets the carrot.0
