danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

The worse part is that even if you spec as a full tank you won't be able to survive some of these bursts....

And hence the reason why Impen is overrated. You're gonna die anyway. May as well make your character super fast (rapids), hard to hit (mist form), and hit really hard (radiant). Better to avoid damage then to eat a bunch of it.

It's almost as if I've been saying this for the last 6 months ...

You should have some impen. But 7 piece plus CP is excessive if you are looking to do dmg. 2k seems to be the benchmark of crit resistance that lets you get other stats.

I run my Templar to use a 5k shield, 25k minim armor, HA, 13% hardy/ED mitigation minimum, heals, 1800 crit resistance, S+b with block mitigation of at least 65-70%, and still get 34k Magicka/1700 SD with 70-80% crit dmg modifier pre-impen.

Satiar wrote: »

I can get realllly good stats while using all impen/sturdy so I'm rly not sure what else id get value from

The beauty of Heavy Armor .

Minno wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

I can get realllly good stats while using all impen/sturdy so I'm rly not sure what else id get value from

The beauty of Heavy Armor .

I could get much better with light/medium, tbh.

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

@fengrush - thanks for reporting this over to Zenimax. I hope they realize how ridiculous high damage those builds can deal (25-30k dps a second on 2.5k+ impen players, 30k phys resist). I personally think all damage procs from all sets should share the same global cooldown. That would fix the issues we have at the moment.

DPS per second is pretty funny. DPS stands for damage per second. So essentially what you're suggesting is that the damage per second per second is too high. I've always found the use of the term DPS in PvP funny... You just can't use it when you're doing more than just damage, aka healing, dodging, etc. In PvE, you can measure DPS. In PvP, you can't do so accurately. So why use the term DPS and not damage?...

He's saying that with this setup you can intelligently line up an attack that does about 25-30k damage in one second. Hence "DPS." Would you rather he stated it the long way as I did above?

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

The worse part is that even if you spec as a full tank you won't be able to survive some of these bursts....

And hence the reason why Impen is overrated. You're gonna die anyway. May as well make your character super fast (rapids), hard to hit (mist form), and hit really hard (radiant). Better to avoid damage then to eat a bunch of it.

It's almost as if I've been saying this for the last 6 months ...

Because you can do all of those things without armor traits buffing them. The bottom line is at some point you're going to take damage, and the goal is to make sure you don't take too much of it. It's like in 1.6 it was better to spec your CP to magic damage reduction rather than physical/elemental because the thing that killed you the most was ults and the majority of ults were magic damage. The easiest way to die now is to take a full, non-mitigated crit. The easiest way to avoid that is to trait impen. None of this means that the goal isn't to avoid as much damage as possible because that is certainly the case, but there is no way to avoid all damage and you have to be prepared for that situation.

Arguing with a brick wall, he thinks 4k extra magika is worth opening yourself up to heavy attack-ulti 1 shots

The only times I get one shot are from seige or if I literally wasn't looking. Something like a sniper from cloak, which is actually more like 5 shot at once.

Under normal circumstances I survive a long time. Mist form allows me to do things that you seem to think are impossible. You can literally run through a Zerg and survive.

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

@fengrush - thanks for reporting this over to Zenimax. I hope they realize how ridiculous high damage those builds can deal (25-30k dps a second on 2.5k+ impen players, 30k phys resist). I personally think all damage procs from all sets should share the same global cooldown. That would fix the issues we have at the moment.

DPS per second is pretty funny. DPS stands for damage per second. So essentially what you're suggesting is that the damage per second per second is too high. I've always found the use of the term DPS in PvP funny... You just can't use it when you're doing more than just damage, aka healing, dodging, etc. In PvE, you can measure DPS. In PvP, you can't do so accurately. So why use the term DPS and not damage?...

That was a misstype from my end. I'm well aware of what dps means and it is still very accurate to say that he was able to deal 25k dps to me while dueling. We tested it out with addons. So now I'm wondering, where is your input regarding the actual subject of the thread? Cuz I see none.

So I was pretty HYPE from the start about all the new sets coming up and the new dueling system. Then I realized how many players are combining proc sets together, especially highly skilled players, claiming that they run those sets to show how broken they are when we both know in reality that they do it for their own fame and glory.

It would be great to see highly skilled players standing up and posting in these threads, addressing the issue with either a video that explains what the problem is exactly with rotations, combat logs, etc. or by providing solid and strong ideas about how to fix the issue (for example to make all damaging proc sets sharing all the same global cooldown).

Running those sets in the wild, dueling in front of everybody and showing how OP you are only does one thing : it promotes more people to use them, totally denying any build diversity from the 17 new sets that got introduced.

To all highly skilled players out there using a combination of Viper, Widow, Veli, Tremor, step up before it's too late and inform Zenimax about what need to be done.

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

The worse part is that even if you spec as a full tank you won't be able to survive some of these bursts....

And hence the reason why Impen is overrated. You're gonna die anyway. May as well make your character super fast (rapids), hard to hit (mist form), and hit really hard (radiant). Better to avoid damage then to eat a bunch of it.

It's almost as if I've been saying this for the last 6 months ...

Because you can do all of those things without armor traits buffing them. The bottom line is at some point you're going to take damage, and the goal is to make sure you don't take too much of it. It's like in 1.6 it was better to spec your CP to magic damage reduction rather than physical/elemental because the thing that killed you the most was ults and the majority of ults were magic damage. The easiest way to die now is to take a full, non-mitigated crit. The easiest way to avoid that is to trait impen. None of this means that the goal isn't to avoid as much damage as possible because that is certainly the case, but there is no way to avoid all damage and you have to be prepared for that situation.

Arguing with a brick wall, he thinks 4k extra magika is worth opening yourself up to heavy attack-ulti 1 shots

The only times I get one shot are from seige or if I literally wasn't looking. Something like a sniper from cloak, which is actually more like 5 shot at once.

Under normal circumstances I survive a long time. Mist form allows me to do things that you seem to think are impossible. You can literally run through a Zerg and survive.

I kind of agree with you on the impen. I have 2 builds one with about 2500 crit resist and another with about 1200 and what I found was the one with lower crit resist and more magicka was actually more survivable than the one with high crit resist because I cast dampen magicka in my rotation. Since you can't crit shields it's almost better to just get a huge magicka pool for big shields. Because even if I have 2500 crit resist if my shields are down in light armor I'm still going to basically be one shotted if I fighting a burst build. I'm not saying we're 0 impen cause that's a stretch, I found 3 pieces to be the sweet spot on my magblade and around 46k magicka. With this being said, having low crit resist opens me up to being ganked but that's the trade off I choose to make.

I hate this new strategy of finding things that are too strong and then running them and encouraging others to use them in order to get ZOS to notice them.

In reality all you're doing is making even more people run the same crap meta and not changing anything anytime soon. BEST case scenario someone at ZOS sees the overabundant abuse of proc sets and changes it 3-4 months from now. Worst case is that nothing changes and you just made PvP more unbearable than before. Great.

ebethke_ESO wrote: »

I hate this new strategy of finding things that are too strong and then running them and encouraging others to use them in order to get ZOS to notice them.

In reality all you're doing is making even more people run the same crap meta and not changing anything anytime soon. BEST case scenario someone at ZOS sees the overabundant abuse of proc sets and changes it 3-4 months from now. Worst case is that nothing changes and you just made PvP more unbearable than before. Great.

Unfortunately there's no way to "enforce" a ban on certain sets in Cyrodiil, but you do have a choice on who you fight with dueling. I highly encourage people to refuse to fight players who they feel are taking advantage of broken sets, items, or abilities, and to encourage those who choose to host tournaments to ban these problematic items. Otherwise what you see in Fengrush's video is all you'll see at every single tournament.

ebethke_ESO wrote: »

I hate this new strategy of finding things that are too strong and then running them and encouraging others to use them in order to get ZOS to notice them.

In reality all you're doing is making even more people run the same crap meta and not changing anything anytime soon. BEST case scenario someone at ZOS sees the overabundant abuse of proc sets and changes it 3-4 months from now. Worst case is that nothing changes and you just made PvP more unbearable than before. Great.

It's not necessarily a strategy to get ZoS to change things.

It's a strategy to run the best build that is 1000% legal and in no way violates the code of conduct and is not even something that is bugged.

American logic-I'l use broken sets for 3 months to show zos how broken they are.