Anyone else sick of 25$ mounts?

Danksta · October 2016

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Danksta wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

KaiVox22 wrote: »

If ZOS didn't sell such cosmetic items at a higher price, then one of two things would happen.

1) ZOS increases the price of DLC
2) ZOS sells things in the store that are pay2win

Both of those scenarios would be terrible, and I'd much rather have higher priced cosmetic fluff items than higher costing DLC or pay2win

And on a side note I bought the dro mathra senche and never regretted it. As I don't subscribe, I see it as an extra payment to ZOS as a thank you, plus it looks bad ass

I guess you don't pvp, the dro mathra is a giant neon "come kill me" sign.

Or maybe they just don't cower at the thought of a fight in a PvP area.

If by fight you mean 40 players converging on your glowing ass.

Then you just need to find a way to even the odds.

SHADOW2KK · October 2016

WalksonGraves wrote: »

How zos justifies selling cosmetic items more expensive than dlc is a mystery. Be nice to be qble to actually buy something without feeling like an idiot for spending that much money on a bauble. 10$ should be the cap for cosmetics. I want that zombie horse about as bad as I wanted the black camel but what holds me back is how I view players that bought the glowing tiger mount: fools who wasted their money.

Number one, similar to the whining going on about the crown store crates, ZoS are not forcing you to buy them, any purchase is entirely up to the person concerned.

And btw I got the glowing tiger mount, with crowns accumulated from ESO +, and a lot of people did so as well.

So hardly a fool, and pretty gross generalisation of every person you have saw with the glowing tiger mount, and you say some are fools, pot kettle much?

Some weak people will buy everything on the crown store, just because it is there, and they have to have everything, some of us rarely go into the crown store, and build up the crowns from subbing.

You can do what you want with your money, just like everyone else, or be smart and buy shizzle with crown accumulation from supporting the game, how about that?

AlnilamE · October 2016

While I've personally not bought any of those, I've bought a guar and a couple of other horse skins. I have no problems with people spending that kind of money on them. They unlock on the whole account. It's not like you need to buy 8 horses for 8 characters.

SHADOW2KK · October 2016

Phinix1 wrote: »

I really wish ZOS had just stuck with the subscription model.

Every time a company goes cash shop the majority of players lose.

Of course I would expect the whales to viciously defend the legitimacy of their cherished "exclusivity."

I am well aware the mindset of modern materialist culture is "it is only worth having if others don't."

Much like "it is not enough that I should succeed. Others must fail."

Know who said that? The towering intellect, GHENGIS KHAN

My hero.

All hail the mighty Gurkhan, hes a legend.

Alcast · October 2016

WalksonGraves wrote: »

How zos justifies selling cosmetic items more expensive than dlc is a mystery. Be nice to be qble to actually buy something without feeling like an idiot for spending that much money on a bauble. 10$ should be the cap for cosmetics. I want that zombie horse about as bad as I wanted the black camel but what holds me back is how I view players that bought the glowing tiger mount: fools who wasted their money.

I havent bought a single mount so bring more of those 25$ mounts, I could not care less

Personofsecrets · October 2016

YOU SHOULDN'T CRITIQUE THE PRACTICES OF A COMPANY BECAUSE THAT COMPANY CHOSE TO PERFORM THOSE PRACTICES.

In trying to uphold free market ideology, supporters of laissez-faire capitalism have actually become the caricature who their anti-market opponents have made them out to be. Supporters of the free market who are unwilling to critique the market really are the little people that get's walked all over by big business, have no voice or sense to stand against practices that are bad for the consumer, and try desperately to drag consumers who are against bad business practices down to their own sad level.

This is so sad.

Tryxus · October 2016

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Phinix1 wrote: »

I really wish ZOS had just stuck with the subscription model.

Every time a company goes cash shop the majority of players lose.

Of course I would expect the whales to viciously defend the legitimacy of their cherished "exclusivity."

I am well aware the mindset of modern materialist culture is "it is only worth having if others don't."

Much like "it is not enough that I should succeed. Others must fail."

Know who said that? The towering intellect, GHENGIS KHAN

My hero.

All hail the mighty Gurkhan, hes a legend.

I thought your hero was Vlad the Impaler?

stevepdodson_ESO888 · October 2016

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

Who are you to judge what people do with their money?

People with no concept of the value of money are a product of coddling.

like an egg

Personofsecrets · October 2016

This is why the pervasive live and let live ideology of society is weak and foolhardy.

Live and let live quickly becomes live and don't dare speak against that which does wrong to us all.

A class of people who are willing to let live are a class of people who a ripe to be taken advantage of.

starkerealm · October 2016

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

Who are you to judge what people do with their money?

People with no concept of the value of money are a product of coddling.

So... that I bought the glowy tiger for about 20 bucks (because I'd bought crowns during a sale for ~half off)... and you keep complaining about people spending more than $25 on a mount...

I have to wonder, who in this conversation has a real grasp of the value of money?

subtlezeroub17_ESO · October 2016

KaiVox22 wrote: »

subtlezeroub17_ESO wrote: »

Game should have remaind subscription+purchasable dlc to begin with imo.

So basically exactly how it is now except no crown store?

So a huge chunk of ZOS' income gone?

So they have to lay people off and cut back on updates/fixes?

Yeah I'm gonna have to disagree with you on that one mate

Um...ffxiv and WoW would disagree with that sentiment. Ffxiv has a very coparavle population to ESO too.

Uriel_Nocturne · October 2016

WalksonGraves wrote: »

How zos justifies selling cosmetic items more expensive than dlc is a mystery. Be nice to be qble to actually buy something without feeling like an idiot for spending that much money on a bauble. 10$ should be the cap for cosmetics. I want that zombie horse about as bad as I wanted the black camel but what holds me back is how I view players that bought the glowing tiger mount: fools who wasted their money.

The price just makes it easier for me to pass up, OP. Nothing more than that. I have the disposable income to afford that many times over, but my value assessment of what cosmetic item is being offered (in this case, a Mount) vs. the asked price, is not something I want to spend my money on that item right now.

But Zenimax is a business, and they wouldn't price cosmetic items that high if there weren't enough people purchasing them (at that price) to justify selling them that high.

That said, I've bought Mounts from the Crown Store. They weren't priced that high, but it's a value/cost ratio that is unique to every person.

Just because you or I don't value cosmetic items at that high a price; doesn't mean that players with enough disposable income, who do value those cosmetic items as being worth that cost, shouldn't/won't purchase them at that price.

If you don't like the price of the item, don't buy it.

Right now, I haven't found a Mount yet that I would value at $25 USD. But that doesn't mean that one won't come along that makes me go "Ooooh" and reach for my wallet. It could happen.

But it's pretty condescending to place your value assessment of purely cosmetic items over the value assessment of other people. If that's where they want to spend their money, more power to them.

In the end, it helps fund the game, and allows them to create and release more content for our consumption.

And I really cannot complain about that.

Lysette · October 2016

hightowermusic wrote: »

Wow!!! Welcome to life people... Stuff you want costs money and that's how life works... Now with that said... Let me tell you I felt really stupid the first time I spent money on an online game, because basically you're buying 1's and 0's and most online game money seems way over priced... Then I realized if I take my family to the movies. We spend $50 or $60 bucks for 2 hours of entertainment... Go out to a restaurant, usually once a week, and we could easily spend $60 to $100 for 2 hours of family time and a good meal. So far any money I have spent on ESO has given me, my wife, my sister and one of my daughters 100's of hours of fun and entertainment. All for $60 a month sub fee's Now... That's a bargain in my book.

Yes, it would be awesome to have cool mounts for a cheaper price, but they are in business to make money and being a small business owner my self I understand that concept. You may not agree with it, but that's the way it is.

Yeah, this is the way to look at it - it is actually an investment into a hobby and just like other hobbies or activities for leisure, those are not free and some costs quite some money - ESO comparably cheap and it can as well be a family activity, due to that it is an MMO. Now with One Tamriel more than ever.

clocksstoppe · October 2016

Wollust wrote: »

It's a business and you're not entitled to cosmetic items.
You want them, pay their price.

That's the problem, we don't want garbage for $25

Voxicity · October 2016

subtlezeroub17_ESO wrote: »

KaiVox22 wrote: »

subtlezeroub17_ESO wrote: »

Game should have remaind subscription+purchasable dlc to begin with imo.

So basically exactly how it is now except no crown store?

So a huge chunk of ZOS' income gone?

So they have to lay people off and cut back on updates/fixes?

Yeah I'm gonna have to disagree with you on that one mate

Um...ffxiv and WoW would disagree with that sentiment. Ffxiv has a very coparavle population to ESO too.

I don't know much about those games, but with a quick google search I've found FFxiv has something called ''Mog Station'' which ''has optional items that are bought with real money.'' so basically a cash shop.

Same thing with WoW. Googled WoW cash shop and got taken to their store where you can buy pets, mounts, helms for real money.

Soooo, yeah

altemriel · October 2016

I a more sick of bug, trying to fix it, introduce another bug, major bug, trying to fix it, trying to fix it again, introduce even bigger bug....

Elder Bugs Online.....

idk · October 2016

AClockworkLime wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

How zos justifies selling cosmetic items more expensive than dlc is a mystery. Be nice to be qble to actually buy something without feeling like an idiot for spending that much money on a bauble. 10$ should be the cap for cosmetics. I want that zombie horse about as bad as I wanted the black camel but what holds me back is how I view players that bought the glowing tiger mount: fools who wasted their money.

The hilarious thing is that they're making waaaaay less money than they would if they had more reasonably priced items on the store.

Ten people buying something for $25 vs. a hundred people buying something for $5. And it would be that drastic of a difference at the very least.

This company is just so *** awful at understanding its customers and its own game.

@AClockworkLime

Please show the data your basing this on or we will categorize it as a baseless generalization.

Thing is, the fact they have been consistent with their pricing demonstrates Zos is selling as much or exceeding their models. Therefore it seems they have proced them well.

Another interesting tidbit, Zos is clearly making some great designs to create this much interest and threads like these probably help sales, give players another reason to heck the crown store.

rotaugen454 · October 2016

I'm getting up there in age. One of the few benefits of that is lots of expendable income. If these same mounts were $1, would you complain then? Probably not, so it's a matter of scale.

AClockworkLime · October 2016

Sigtric wrote: »

AClockworkLime wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

How zos justifies selling cosmetic items more expensive than dlc is a mystery. Be nice to be qble to actually buy something without feeling like an idiot for spending that much money on a bauble. 10$ should be the cap for cosmetics. I want that zombie horse about as bad as I wanted the black camel but what holds me back is how I view players that bought the glowing tiger mount: fools who wasted their money.

The hilarious thing is that they're making waaaaay less money than they would if they had more reasonably priced items on the store.

Ten people buying something for $25 vs. a hundred people buying something for $5. And it would be that drastic of a difference at the very least.

This company is just so *** awful at understanding its customers and its own game.

Can I see a copy of the crown store sales metrics you're looking at?

I'd absolutely love to if 1.) they ever sold mounts for $5 and 2.) made any of that information available.

That said, the answer to the intent of your question is: Common sense. I know, I know. It's a phrase sycophants such as yourself have little familiarity with, but it's an actual thing.

Would you like some real world examples? How many people own a Bugatti Veyron vs. a Toyota Camry? And which one do you think actually earns more money for the parent company? The 26,846 Camrys that sold in 2016 for a rough $800,000,000, or the ~120 Veryons that were sold in 2016 for a rough $120,000,000? I mean, the numbers are right there, but I'm sure you'll still be scratching your head trying to figure the conundrum out since common sense is such an alien concept.

Juhasow · October 2016

25$ per mount ? Pff wait for loot crates when You'll need to spend 250$ to get enough crown gems to buy new shiny mounts.

Rohamad_Ali · October 2016

A direct purchase is better then a loot crate 1 in a million chance .

cpuScientist · October 2016

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Danksta wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

KaiVox22 wrote: »

If ZOS didn't sell such cosmetic items at a higher price, then one of two things would happen.

1) ZOS increases the price of DLC
2) ZOS sells things in the store that are pay2win

Both of those scenarios would be terrible, and I'd much rather have higher priced cosmetic fluff items than higher costing DLC or pay2win

And on a side note I bought the dro mathra senche and never regretted it. As I don't subscribe, I see it as an extra payment to ZOS as a thank you, plus it looks bad ass

I guess you don't pvp, the dro mathra is a giant neon "come kill me" sign.

Or maybe they just don't cower at the thought of a fight in a PvP area.

If by fight you mean 40 players converging on your glowing ass.

LOL it's no lie. Those guys stand out sooo bad hahahaha. Instant target. I bet if they did some metrics on it, people with that particular mount get killed more often than any other. Percentage wise ofcourse.

rotaugen454 · October 2016

AClockworkLime wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

AClockworkLime wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

How zos justifies selling cosmetic items more expensive than dlc is a mystery. Be nice to be qble to actually buy something without feeling like an idiot for spending that much money on a bauble. 10$ should be the cap for cosmetics. I want that zombie horse about as bad as I wanted the black camel but what holds me back is how I view players that bought the glowing tiger mount: fools who wasted their money.

The hilarious thing is that they're making waaaaay less money than they would if they had more reasonably priced items on the store.

Ten people buying something for $25 vs. a hundred people buying something for $5. And it would be that drastic of a difference at the very least.

This company is just so *** awful at understanding its customers and its own game.

Can I see a copy of the crown store sales metrics you're looking at?

I'd absolutely love to if 1.) they ever sold mounts for $5 and 2.) made any of that information available.

That said, the answer to the intent of your question is: Common sense. I know, I know. It's a phrase sycophants such as yourself have little familiarity with, but it's an actual thing.

Would you like some real world examples? How many people own a Bugatti Veyron vs. a Toyota Camry? And which one do you think actually earns more money for the parent company? The 26,846 Camrys that sold in 2016 for a rough $800,000,000, or the ~120 Veryons that were sold in 2016 for a rough $120,000,000? I mean, the numbers are right there, but I'm sure you'll still be scratching your head trying to figure the conundrum out since common sense is such an alien concept.

No one has ANY idea how many more they would sell at a lower price point. People make up numbers to support whatever their position is on the matter.

AClockworkLime · October 2016

rotaugen454 wrote: »

AClockworkLime wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

AClockworkLime wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

How zos justifies selling cosmetic items more expensive than dlc is a mystery. Be nice to be qble to actually buy something without feeling like an idiot for spending that much money on a bauble. 10$ should be the cap for cosmetics. I want that zombie horse about as bad as I wanted the black camel but what holds me back is how I view players that bought the glowing tiger mount: fools who wasted their money.

The hilarious thing is that they're making waaaaay less money than they would if they had more reasonably priced items on the store.

Ten people buying something for $25 vs. a hundred people buying something for $5. And it would be that drastic of a difference at the very least.

This company is just so *** awful at understanding its customers and its own game.

Can I see a copy of the crown store sales metrics you're looking at?

I'd absolutely love to if 1.) they ever sold mounts for $5 and 2.) made any of that information available.

That said, the answer to the intent of your question is: Common sense. I know, I know. It's a phrase sycophants such as yourself have little familiarity with, but it's an actual thing.

Would you like some real world examples? How many people own a Bugatti Veyron vs. a Toyota Camry? And which one do you think actually earns more money for the parent company? The 26,846 Camrys that sold in 2016 for a rough $800,000,000, or the ~120 Veryons that were sold in 2016 for a rough $120,000,000? I mean, the numbers are right there, but I'm sure you'll still be scratching your head trying to figure the conundrum out since common sense is such an alien concept.

No one has ANY idea how many more they would sell at a lower price point. People make up numbers to support whatever their position is on the matter.

they have no idea whatsoever how much money they're losing by overcharging literally everything on the store. Zero. Zip. Zilch. Nada.

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Artis · October 2016

Nah, OP is right, no reason to turn against him like that.

It would be better for everyone if the price was lower. People would probably buy mounts for more money = ZOS gets more money and it's easier for each of us as a player to get a mount, since you don't consider spending lots of money at once.

Moreover, because of that last effect, it's possible that every player would spend more money that way, since it's easier to make more smaller purchases than few bigger purchases.

DHale · October 2016

They would not charge 25 bucks unless people paid 25 bucks. They should charge what people are willing to pay. Each time some stupid mount is put out its all I see running around that tells me that is a price point for that mount. I will never purchase some lame mount by itself or some costume by itself. But that is me.

AClockworkLime · October 2016

DHale wrote: »

They would not charge 25 bucks unless people paid 25 bucks.

Jesus Christ. <pinches the bridge of his nose>

Llilium · October 2016

the 25$ price tag is justified to me. I would never buy these idiotic mounts. the only cool mount they're put out has been the faction mount, everything else is absurd. i'll never understand the thrill or riding around on some stupid looking animal that makes zero sense

Julianos · October 2016

Yes they need to be like 10$ this way everyone would buy them and ZO$ would profit even more but with current prices only small portion of the population buying them and its mean less profit.

idk · October 2016

AClockworkLime wrote: »

rotaugen454 wrote: »

AClockworkLime wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

AClockworkLime wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

How zos justifies selling cosmetic items more expensive than dlc is a mystery. Be nice to be qble to actually buy something without feeling like an idiot for spending that much money on a bauble. 10$ should be the cap for cosmetics. I want that zombie horse about as bad as I wanted the black camel but what holds me back is how I view players that bought the glowing tiger mount: fools who wasted their money.

The hilarious thing is that they're making waaaaay less money than they would if they had more reasonably priced items on the store.

Ten people buying something for $25 vs. a hundred people buying something for $5. And it would be that drastic of a difference at the very least.

This company is just so *** awful at understanding its customers and its own game.

Can I see a copy of the crown store sales metrics you're looking at?

I'd absolutely love to if 1.) they ever sold mounts for $5 and 2.) made any of that information available.

That said, the answer to the intent of your question is: Common sense. I know, I know. It's a phrase sycophants such as yourself have little familiarity with, but it's an actual thing.

Would you like some real world examples? How many people own a Bugatti Veyron vs. a Toyota Camry? And which one do you think actually earns more money for the parent company? The 26,846 Camrys that sold in 2016 for a rough $800,000,000, or the ~120 Veryons that were sold in 2016 for a rough $120,000,000? I mean, the numbers are right there, but I'm sure you'll still be scratching your head trying to figure the conundrum out since common sense is such an alien concept.

No one has ANY idea how many more they would sell at a lower price point. People make up numbers to support whatever their position is on the matter.

they have no idea whatsoever how much money they're losing by overcharging literally everything on the store. Zero. Zip. Zilch. Nada.

@AClockworkLime

As I stated before, Zos has modeled sales and pricing. Zos has marketing and business people well versed in economics and has access to information on the sales and pricing in other MMOs and of course his sell items sell in this game. It's easy to get pricing information from other games.

It would be short sighted to think Zos has not considered how well previous mounts and other items have sold in the crown store and would use that information to price future offerings. It should be obvious to most that if mounts did not sell well at $25 they would reduce the price.

After all, Zos is not concerned with selling the most mounts. Their concern is receiving the best return from time and money invested in creating the mount. That's business 101 in a nut shell.

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