Zenimax owe Craglorn trade guilds money

Blobsky · October 2016

Sirvandal wrote: »

Blobsky wrote: »

Legedric wrote: »

Please do not derail this thread with all the hatred that has already been going on between some trade guilds for months now.

I think this topic is too important for all of us and the situation is hurting every guild's wallet on a somewhat equal level.

Totally agree, I actually don't enjoy the hatred at all, and do my best to avoid it despite the constant bombardment each day. Lets hope zenimax crack on here.

Serious? You do not avoid anything, eacht time you look it up and keep pushing and fooling around. Take a look in the mirror kiddo.

Actually I have asked for everyone to calm down as the initial problems are over. Your alliance demanded 40M or to give your people GM, to stop trying to attack the guild. You want peace? The offer is here, is that a yes or no?

Blobsky · October 2016

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We'll be contacting all affected guild leaders over the next couple days via email and in-game mail.

Why do the guilds that lost their bids get a trader for free, whilst the guilds that were willing to put millions of gold down get no trader for the week? It really damages the guilds affected and is a shockingly poor error

Sirvandal · October 2016

Blobsky wrote: »

Sirvandal wrote: »

Blobsky wrote: »

Legedric wrote: »

Please do not derail this thread with all the hatred that has already been going on between some trade guilds for months now.

I think this topic is too important for all of us and the situation is hurting every guild's wallet on a somewhat equal level.

Totally agree, I actually don't enjoy the hatred at all, and do my best to avoid it despite the constant bombardment each day. Lets hope zenimax crack on here.

Serious? You do not avoid anything, eacht time you look it up and keep pushing and fooling around. Take a look in the mirror kiddo.

Actually I have asked for everyone to calm down as the initial problems are over. Your alliance demanded 40M or to give your people GM, to stop trying to attack the guild. You want peace? The offer is here, is that a yes or no?

Serious? Again. Telling lies over and over again. Now you're the bitten one? Dude stop the harrasment, stop lying and bullying other players around in game. You do not want peace at all, otherwise you would have stopped ages ago with all the nonsense you spreading around about players who not do the things to your biddings. You have a serious self esteem problem. And again look in the mirror and think for a while what you think of yourself. Grow up kiddo.

GarnetFire17 · October 2016

ZOS, PLEASE! I would MUCH rather have the Guild Trader I paid a fortune for restored to Pre-Patch quickly than a refund. I was hoping to make a name for my guild in a prime location during the busy time of the fresh update. The marketing means much more to me than what I spent. The guild in my spot is defuncted guild I am allowed to bid for when the guild master disappeared months ago. I placed that bid myself so no harm done to restore it.

I am under and evacuation in South Carolina because of Hurricane Matthew. I hope be able to get online to read game mails after I move but I am not sure if I will lose power or have other problems to keep me from doing so.

Blobsky · October 2016

Sirvandal wrote: »

Blobsky wrote: »

Sirvandal wrote: »

Blobsky wrote: »

Legedric wrote: »

Please do not derail this thread with all the hatred that has already been going on between some trade guilds for months now.

I think this topic is too important for all of us and the situation is hurting every guild's wallet on a somewhat equal level.

Totally agree, I actually don't enjoy the hatred at all, and do my best to avoid it despite the constant bombardment each day. Lets hope zenimax crack on here.

Serious? You do not avoid anything, eacht time you look it up and keep pushing and fooling around. Take a look in the mirror kiddo.

Actually I have asked for everyone to calm down as the initial problems are over. Your alliance demanded 40M or to give your people GM, to stop trying to attack the guild. You want peace? The offer is here, is that a yes or no?

Serious? Again. Telling lies over and over again. Now you're the bitten one? Dude stop the harrasment, stop lying and bullying other players around in game. You do not want peace at all, otherwise you would have stopped ages ago with all the nonsense you spreading around about players who not do the things to your biddings. You have a serious self esteem problem. And again look in the mirror and think for a while what you think of yourself. Grow up kiddo.

Was that a yes or a no? It was a simple question, do you want peace? I just offered it (again) its your choice, I've already offered it - anyone seeing this thread can see that

Kemono · October 2016

Blobsky wrote: »

@LuluKreicer / @Sergun are leaders for 'Aetherius Trade', the guild that got scammed for Keen-Eyes trader by zenimax.
@Jeylis is leader of TTM Overflow' which got scammed for Donnaelein
@Blobsky is leader of 'The Traveling Merchant', we got scammed for Shuhasa trader
@Verbalinkontinenz is leader of 'Just Traders' she got scammed for Glegokh
@Heindrich (Despite making in real life threats and insults to me, I'm not into dishonesty of the game) Owns 'Tamriel Traders Guild', they got scammed for Shelzaka

I do not know who won the back left / middle

Oh dont worry, i remind you:
back left spot >>

this post was ocupied by unknown guild with

ZERO MERCHANDISE ON SALE
clearly one of craglorn guild fighting with competition

Dear reader -keep in mind that for example Op claimed that he paid 9 MILION gold for 2 spots (and i belive him fully), and yet "empty guild" appears in Craglorn.
Something is clearly not right here, no?

btw - there is also there at least one of guild with "red tabard with skull and daggers" ,from guild alliance that is supposed to be a "evil trade empire"
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/293799/bop-in-one-tam-will-it-help-stop-the-guild-cartel/p1

Its good time to bring back "Auction house" idea to Zenimax once again

Blobsky · October 2016

Kemono wrote: »

Blobsky wrote: »

@LuluKreicer / @Sergun are leaders for 'Aetherius Trade', the guild that got scammed for Keen-Eyes trader by zenimax.
@Jeylis is leader of TTM Overflow' which got scammed for Donnaelein
@Blobsky is leader of 'The Traveling Merchant', we got scammed for Shuhasa trader
@Verbalinkontinenz is leader of 'Just Traders' she got scammed for Glegokh
@Heindrich (Despite making in real life threats and insults to me, I'm not into dishonesty of the game) Owns 'Tamriel Traders Guild', they got scammed for Shelzaka

I do not know who won the back left / middle

Oh dont worry, i remind you:
back left spot >>

this post was ocupied by unknown guild with

ZERO MERCHANDISE ON SALE
clearly one of craglorn guild fighting with competition

Dear reader -keep in mind that for example Op claimed that he paid 9 MILION gold for 2 spots (and i belive him fully), and yet "empty guild" appears in Craglorn.
Something is clearly not right here, no?

btw - there is also at least one of guild with "red tabard with skull and daggers" ,from guild alliance that is supposed to be a "evil trade empire"

Its good time to bring back "Auction house" idea to Zenimax once again

Ebay trade guild is not owned by me, I can show my guilds. I own 'The Traveling Merchant' and fund the bids of 'TTM overflow' ran by my girlfriend. As far as I am aware, Ebay trade guild and Trader guild are owned by TTG, but I could be wrong. The red tabards are from TTU (Tamriel trade guild, Traders of the Covenant and Tamriel Marketeers) and UTE (Most of rawl kha and all of the undaunted areas)

Shad0wfire99 · October 2016

These guys must not realize how much money then could make if they worked together. Ask the XBox NA guys. It's way more entertaining when you hate each other, though. Carry on.

Heindrich · October 2016

Guys pls keep trade conflict discussions out of this thread.

GarnetFire17 wrote: »

ZOS, PLEASE! I would MUCH rather have the Guild Trader I paid a fortune for restored to Pre-Patch quickly than a refund.

Yes this is the key problem here. People invested in this specific week and planned around the update. Just refunding our bids doesn't fix the problem. What happens if we lose bids next week? That's two weeks without a good trader for some of the top selling guilds in EU-PC and a huge amount of disruption for our members at a critical phase in the trade cycle.

Whatever you refund us, we'll have to spend even more next week to secure our traders for next week.

Whatever our differences, Blobs is right to say that this is a "shockingly poor error".

Orgrimar · October 2016

Seems like a central auction house would be a lot better for reasons like this. Just saying ZoS...

GarnetFire17 · October 2016

The right thing to do is restore the guilds to what they should be and refund the new guilds that set up shop there. They didn't win bids for the week and they would be getting free time in other guild's spots today so the wouldn't have any reason to complain. They only spent 10k that they would be refunded.

Heindrich · October 2016

GarnetFire17 wrote: »

The right thing to do is restore the guilds to what they should be and refund the new guilds that set up shop there. They didn't win bids for the week and they would be getting free time in other guild's spots today so the wouldn't have any reason to complain. They only spent 10k that they would be refunded.

Actually it's only 100g.

Edit: I stand corrected. It is 10k now, apparently.

Kemono · October 2016

Blobsky wrote: »

Kemono wrote: »

Blobsky wrote: »

@LuluKreicer / @Sergun are leaders for 'Aetherius Trade', the guild that got scammed for Keen-Eyes trader by zenimax.
@Jeylis is leader of TTM Overflow' which got scammed for Donnaelein
@Blobsky is leader of 'The Traveling Merchant', we got scammed for Shuhasa trader
@Verbalinkontinenz is leader of 'Just Traders' she got scammed for Glegokh
@Heindrich (Despite making in real life threats and insults to me, I'm not into dishonesty of the game) Owns 'Tamriel Traders Guild', they got scammed for Shelzaka

I do not know who won the back left / middle

Oh dont worry, i remind you:
back left spot >>

this post was ocupied by unknown guild with

ZERO MERCHANDISE ON SALE
clearly one of craglorn guild fighting with competition

Dear reader -keep in mind that for example Op claimed that he paid 9 MILION gold for 2 spots (and i belive him fully), and yet "empty guild" appears in Craglorn.
Something is clearly not right here, no?

btw - there is also at least one of guild with "red tabard with skull and daggers" ,from guild alliance that is supposed to be a "evil trade empire"

Its good time to bring back "Auction house" idea to Zenimax once again

Ebay trade guild is not owned by me, I can show my guilds. I own 'The Traveling Merchant' and fund the bids of 'TTM overflow' ran by my girlfriend. As far as I am aware, Ebay trade guild and Trader guild are owned by TTG, but I could be wrong

please forgive me, i did not want to attack you (or your guild) just point the fact

Blobsky -in fact i think you are good merchant and guild leader, and i really enjoy looking for you guild.
i always wonder where is Traveling Merchant in this week?
then i sometimes find it, and sometimes not ;D
Idea after your guild is really awesome to me from RP point of view

Also if i remember you are not part of "evil trade empire" ;D

Verbalinkontinenz · October 2016

UTE (Most of rawl kha and all of the undaunted areas owned by 4 people)

***. just because u only know 4 people, doesnt mean that these guilds are owned by 4 people. ans also we do not own all undaunted areas. totally ***. u dont know anything and spread ***.

Heindrich wrote: »

GarnetFire17 wrote: »

The right thing to do is restore the guilds to what they should be and refund the new guilds that set up shop there. They didn't win bids for the week and they would be getting free time in other guild's spots today so the wouldn't have any reason to complain. They only spent 10k that they would be refunded.

Actually it's only 100g.

now its 10k. zos increased minimum price. they took it afte rupdate, its 10k

GarnetFire17 · October 2016

Heindrich wrote: »

GarnetFire17 wrote: »

The right thing to do is restore the guilds to what they should be and refund the new guilds that set up shop there. They didn't win bids for the week and they would be getting free time in other guild's spots today so the wouldn't have any reason to complain. They only spent 10k that they would be refunded.

Actually it's only 100g.

the patch changed it to 10k gold. still peanuts compared to what my guild paid.

Lumbermill_Emperor · October 2016

Heindrich wrote: »

GarnetFire17 wrote: »

The right thing to do is restore the guilds to what they should be and refund the new guilds that set up shop there. They didn't win bids for the week and they would be getting free time in other guild's spots today so the wouldn't have any reason to complain. They only spent 10k that they would be refunded.

Actually it's only 100g.

according to patchnotes it must be 10k gold?

GarnetFire17 · October 2016

has this happened on all the servers in all platforms?

Blobsky · October 2016

Heindrich wrote: »

Guys pls keep trade conflict discussions out of this thread.

GarnetFire17 wrote: »

ZOS, PLEASE! I would MUCH rather have the Guild Trader I paid a fortune for restored to Pre-Patch quickly than a refund.

Yes this is the key problem here. People invested in this specific week and planned around the update. Just refunding our bids doesn't fix the problem. What happens if we lose bids next week? That's two weeks without a good trader for some of the top selling guilds in EU-PC and a huge amount of disruption for our members at a critical phase in the trade cycle.

Whatever you refund us, we'll have to spend even more next week to secure our traders for next week.

Whatever our differences, Blobs is right to say that this is a "shockingly poor error".

Appreciate the post, despite no peace currently, I am happy to say that I am completely in agreement here with one of my oldest trading rivals in game.

Blobsky · October 2016

Verbalinkontinenz wrote: »

UTE (Most of rawl kha and all of the undaunted areas owned by 4 people)

***. just because u only know 4 people, doesnt mean that these guilds are owned by 4 people. ans also we do not own all undaunted areas. totally ***. u dont know anything and spread ***.

Heindrich wrote: »

GarnetFire17 wrote: »

The right thing to do is restore the guilds to what they should be and refund the new guilds that set up shop there. They didn't win bids for the week and they would be getting free time in other guild's spots today so the wouldn't have any reason to complain. They only spent 10k that they would be refunded.

Actually it's only 100g.

now its 10k. zos increased minimum price. they took it afte rupdate, its 10k

Hey I don't mean it personally o_O I can take it off, I am not spreading *** and it was not a highlighted point of my post, I just wanted to explain who is what tabard. I can even link your forum XD https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/280078/ute-united-trading-enterprises-alliance if he really cares about who is who

Verbalinkontinenz · October 2016

Blobsky wrote: »

Verbalinkontinenz wrote: »

UTE (Most of rawl kha and all of the undaunted areas owned by 4 people)

***. just because u only know 4 people, doesnt mean that these guilds are owned by 4 people. ans also we do not own all undaunted areas. totally ***. u dont know anything and spread ***.

Heindrich wrote: »

GarnetFire17 wrote: »

The right thing to do is restore the guilds to what they should be and refund the new guilds that set up shop there. They didn't win bids for the week and they would be getting free time in other guild's spots today so the wouldn't have any reason to complain. They only spent 10k that they would be refunded.

Actually it's only 100g.

now its 10k. zos increased minimum price. they took it afte rupdate, its 10k

Hey I don't mean it personally o_O I can take it off, I am not spreading *** and it was not a highlighted point of my post, I just wanted to explain who is what tabard. I can even link your forum XD https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/280078/ute-united-trading-enterprises-alliance if he really cares about who is who

dont talk bout stuff, when u do not know the facts. its even worse when its about other people. so just let it be

ElBiggus · October 2016

Orgrimar wrote: »

Seems like a central auction house would be a lot better for reasons like this. Just saying ZoS...

This. In general I'm not a fan of Neverwinter, but the auction house just works; the Guild trading in ESO has an annoying UI, you have to traipse about all over the place in the hopes that one of them might be selling something you want (making the search selections every time; I know addons are available, but it's still a non-optimal experience), and if you're not in a trading guild you can't offer anything for sale, so I don't bother with them. (And apparently they're also a source of bitter contention and rivalry, so now I'm even less inclined to use them; what if I'm shopping with an "evil" Guild?)

freespirit · October 2016

Guys calm down, the pure fact here is that only Pact Veteran managed to hold their Belkarth spot!

My guild list still shows one of my guilds to have their normal Belkarth spot, when infact it doesn't.

@ZOS_GinaBruno sorry to pick on you and I know it is being investigated BUT to my mind you should be refunding the 10k to the guilds that grabbed the spots and returning the status to what it was this morning BEFORE the servers went down.

Verbalinkontinenz · October 2016

Guys calm down, the pure fact here is that only Pact Veteran managed to hold their Belkarth spot!

lol congratz xD

GarnetFire17 · October 2016

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Verbalinkontinenz · October 2016

GarnetFire17 wrote: »

ZOS! Okay, you decided to not to restore my guild's trader like I asked, but decided to give me the refund I didn't want. Plus a bunch of extra gold "to increase your bid for next week." Well i have already put in a bid for next week because of Hurricane Matthew and it won't let me raise my bid!!!!!!!! So now every guild who had a trader in Belkarth will have more gold for bidding higher but I can't increase my bid to counter them!!! This basically screws my entire guild over the second week in a row!

Please let me raise my bid or undo my bid so I can bid as if it was a fresh bid. Mail me please!!

omg so sry...bah.....zos -.-

GarnetFire17 · October 2016

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treborrealb14_ESO · October 2016

@ZOS_GinaBruno the Issue with that zone is that you had 3 factions before thus 3 instances before with 3x as many traders BEFORE One Tamerial so unless Zos can figure out how to make even more vending locations we will lose 2/3 the guild traders thus we have the result from that.

One Tamerial One Craglorn 2/3 the traders out of work

Heindrich · October 2016

treborrealb14_ESO wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno the Issue with that zone is that you had 3 factions before thus 3 instances before with 3x as many traders BEFORE One Tamerial so unless Zos can figure out how to make even more vending locations we will lose 2/3 the guild traders thus we have the result from that.

One Tamerial One Craglorn 2/3 the traders out of work

lol no... Guild traders were shared across all instances :P

This reminds me of a certain DC GM who was convinced that Mournhold was a terrible trade hub cos it was so empty all the time

You know who you are mate

nagarjunna · October 2016

Lack of forethought and planning has led to this situation.

For those guilds who have lost their spot (I am a member of one of those involved) this is a shame. For those guilds who bid on an empty trader spot I also have some sympathy. They have bid in good faith and now they too are the victims in this mess.

@treborrealb14_ESO comment about the number of guilds bidding in triple instances such as Craglorn (and Hew's Bane and so on) is very pertinent.

How ZOS deal with this, and the speed with which they sort this mess out is key to a satisfactory resolution for all. Something leads me to believe that no one will be happy... which will be a shame.

Mutagem · October 2016

ETA on fix?