Devs get rid of the damage portion of Hurricane

mchermie · October 2016

My only problem with hurricane is implosion. Combine it with the dot from poison injection and youre almost guaranteed to die if you hit execute range (against a not bad stamsorc)

dodgehopper_ESO · October 2016

Darnathian wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

There was a time when FENGRUSH was the only stam sorc in existence and he was a mighty warrior carving himself a name in the annals of time. He did it all without this current bag of tricks. Now the aedra (ZOS), gently in their hands cupped the mystic sands, and with a gentle puffy cheeks blow, spread these grains of sand sending new updates into mundus. And now everyone, their grandmother, and their pet goldfish is a stam sorc. Just ask the current king of the Meta Merry-Go-Round, Dubzog (since Sribes' brutal retirement at the hands of the aedra) and his assorted group of misfit buddies.

Edit: I don't think FENGRUSH had sexual relations in Tamriel and created all these other stam sorcs.

I agree its unfair to complain about Fengrush. I've teamed against him and with him a number of times. Fengrush has been doing the Orc Stamina Sorcerer a long time. I had one a long time as well, but it sat in my other account more as an idea and a concept than anything else (my main account has an Orc Nightblade with similar speedy orc intent in mind). Anyway the point is his build was unpopular and he made it work well. When people try to trash him about that, it shows ignorance or a form a rhetoric that is deceptive.

I can see why people don't like some of his rants, and from an entertainment perspective he might do better to tone some of that down for the improvement of his channel, but otherwise I think the guy does a very good job, and plays his character well. That last alchemist build I saw him running hit like a rail gun. I've played against him far more than for him, and this is how I took notice of the guy - because I thought 'hey that's neat to see one of those ideas I tossed around in my head being played and well'. I'm sure other people had the idea too, if supposedly there are millions of us playing. The fact he went and made it work though shouldn't be taken from him.

I played Templar since the very beginning of the game and to be frank it was pretty awful once they added CC Immunity to the game. I played Stamina Templar as well when the class had almost nothing but a handful of passives to offer. So when I see people gripe about how OP Templar is, and what an awful player you are just because you play one, it pisses me off. In the same respect, my response to these kinds of threads is to leave Fengrush out of it. It isn't fair. I understand you may dislike changes to the class, but those changes were made by developers, not by and for Fengrush.

The game was meant to be a 'do anything' game. Every class should have room to fill for: Stam DPS, Mag DPS, Stam Tank, Mag Tank, & Healer. I'm sorry if you don't like that concept, but that's the bill of goods their marketing team sold us 2 and a half years ago, as customers we expect it. I just want to add that I think the Stamina Sorcerer capacity to knock MELEE Nightblades out of stealth is a fantastic and interesting counter. I'd personally like to see them pump the boundless lightning armor up enough for the mage players so that it would hit at maximum melee range as well (8meters right?).

Well thats your opinion. We are entitled to ours as well.

I will call him out since he has been a leading adocate to nerf my beloved magplar. Specifically RD.

Stamsorc right now is miles above RD as a whole. Not just one skill.

And the Saint of Balance is silent.

You and I have been posting in similar circles (though I've not been on the forums quite so much of late). I will say this I have defended RD, and I disagreed with him on those topics. Personally, I would have preferred they kept Blinding Flashes and I hold to that, but I can live with things as they are. There were other ways they could have given DPS for the Dawn Wrath users. I understand RD is a valuable execute for the Magplar side of the class and it is a fun skill (reminds me of the final battle with Molag Bal). In fact it is so iconic it feels like to me the Templar is almost the stock character one should play through the game (at least til you start doing DB/TG at which point Nightblade feels more appropriate). Before I go on many more tangents I'll just say I'm defending Fengrush here because I don't think its fair to use him as the scapegoat for Hurricane (another skill that I frankly support and hope they keep). I don't think Hurricane is the problem, although I do think actually Boundless Lightning could stand to have an 8m range so it keeps melee stealth attackers at bay.

Kilandros · October 2016

I just want to get this straight: a 6% RNG chance to proc Implosion on targets under 15% health is somehow more OP then the Endless Fury autokill the moment a target drops below 20% health? Nahh.

ManDraKE · October 2016

Implosion shouldn't proc from AoE damage (hurricane, caltrops, etc), only single target attacks, problem solved.

Passive AoE execute, if that is not OP, i don't know what is.

dodgehopper_ESO · October 2016

ManDraKE wrote: »

Implosion shouldn't proc from AoE damage (hurricane, caltrops, rtc), only single target attacks, problem solved.

Passive AoE execute, if that is not OP, i don't know what is.

That's the kind of executes Sorcerer has though.

Dreyloch · October 2016

TBois wrote: »

Tone down implosion and it would be fine. It is the only useful stam skill a stam sorc has.

Have to realize this would also effect lightning based Magicka sorc builds as well. So in essence you'd be nerfing an entire class again. I have a stam and magicka sorc. I gave up on the stam for PvP because I found them to be really squishy. FENGRUSH points this out very clearly on the build video. It's not meant for solo pvp.(although if your really good you might be able to) It needs a healer or at least a small group to run around with. Besides that, you have to recast hurricane pretty obsessively to keep any kind of resists up. It's a difficult build to play already.

donJay · October 2016

Kilandros wrote: »

PrinceFabious wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Anazasi wrote: »

One set, one conclusion--Fascillia's Guile.

Stam sorc not going to keep hurricane up long when he or she realizes what debuff is killing them. Fact I do it all the time.

but the nanny dueling police told me I'd get bad joojoo for wearing that. It's against the dress code.

According to the meta police you must wear the same armor(black rose, veli)sets and have the same playstyle as your opponents to even be considered for a duel.

He was running Black Rose in those duels and still complained about your gear? LOL. That makes the <10 second kill so much better.

But didn't you hear, the HP stats from fasallas are way more broken and OP than black rose. At least according to people who get smacked in 10 sec. Idk

Calboy · October 2016

Learn to counter and not just stack damage. It seems like people refuse to counter builds and instead stack damage and if that doesn't work then boom it's OP!

Fasalla's. Bash.

Darnathian · October 2016

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

There was a time when FENGRUSH was the only stam sorc in existence and he was a mighty warrior carving himself a name in the annals of time. He did it all without this current bag of tricks. Now the aedra (ZOS), gently in their hands cupped the mystic sands, and with a gentle puffy cheeks blow, spread these grains of sand sending new updates into mundus. And now everyone, their grandmother, and their pet goldfish is a stam sorc. Just ask the current king of the Meta Merry-Go-Round, Dubzog (since Sribes' brutal retirement at the hands of the aedra) and his assorted group of misfit buddies.

Edit: I don't think FENGRUSH had sexual relations in Tamriel and created all these other stam sorcs.

I agree its unfair to complain about Fengrush. I've teamed against him and with him a number of times. Fengrush has been doing the Orc Stamina Sorcerer a long time. I had one a long time as well, but it sat in my other account more as an idea and a concept than anything else (my main account has an Orc Nightblade with similar speedy orc intent in mind). Anyway the point is his build was unpopular and he made it work well. When people try to trash him about that, it shows ignorance or a form a rhetoric that is deceptive.

I can see why people don't like some of his rants, and from an entertainment perspective he might do better to tone some of that down for the improvement of his channel, but otherwise I think the guy does a very good job, and plays his character well. That last alchemist build I saw him running hit like a rail gun. I've played against him far more than for him, and this is how I took notice of the guy - because I thought 'hey that's neat to see one of those ideas I tossed around in my head being played and well'. I'm sure other people had the idea too, if supposedly there are millions of us playing. The fact he went and made it work though shouldn't be taken from him.

I played Templar since the very beginning of the game and to be frank it was pretty awful once they added CC Immunity to the game. I played Stamina Templar as well when the class had almost nothing but a handful of passives to offer. So when I see people gripe about how OP Templar is, and what an awful player you are just because you play one, it pisses me off. In the same respect, my response to these kinds of threads is to leave Fengrush out of it. It isn't fair. I understand you may dislike changes to the class, but those changes were made by developers, not by and for Fengrush.

The game was meant to be a 'do anything' game. Every class should have room to fill for: Stam DPS, Mag DPS, Stam Tank, Mag Tank, & Healer. I'm sorry if you don't like that concept, but that's the bill of goods their marketing team sold us 2 and a half years ago, as customers we expect it. I just want to add that I think the Stamina Sorcerer capacity to knock MELEE Nightblades out of stealth is a fantastic and interesting counter. I'd personally like to see them pump the boundless lightning armor up enough for the mage players so that it would hit at maximum melee range as well (8meters right?).

Well thats your opinion. We are entitled to ours as well.

I will call him out since he has been a leading adocate to nerf my beloved magplar. Specifically RD.

Stamsorc right now is miles above RD as a whole. Not just one skill.

And the Saint of Balance is silent.

You and I have been posting in similar circles (though I've not been on the forums quite so much of late). I will say this I have defended RD, and I disagreed with him on those topics. Personally, I would have preferred they kept Blinding Flashes and I hold to that, but I can live with things as they are. There were other ways they could have given DPS for the Dawn Wrath users. I understand RD is a valuable execute for the Magplar side of the class and it is a fun skill (reminds me of the final battle with Molag Bal). In fact it is so iconic it feels like to me the Templar is almost the stock character one should play through the game (at least til you start doing DB/TG at which point Nightblade feels more appropriate). Before I go on many more tangents I'll just say I'm defending Fengrush here because I don't think its fair to use him as the scapegoat for Hurricane (another skill that I frankly support and hope they keep). I don't think Hurricane is the problem, although I do think actually Boundless Lightning could stand to have an 8m range so it keeps melee stealth attackers at bay.

I appreciate what your saying. But he has followers and they listen without understanding the game.

It is fair to discredit him when he shows this type of biasm. He was i n every thread relating to nerfing RD.

Now that stam sorc is OPAF........, Silence.

I might actually turn on a streamer for the first time to get a laugh.

I imagine i will hear a greedy little kid laughing his butt off at easy mode.

One thing i can guarantee, you wont see an hour long rant about StamSorc being broken.

if you dont want to listen to me, then listen to Kodi fanbois. I believe he has numerous videos titled how broke it is

Publius_Scipio · October 2016

Who is the person with followers you speak of?

Magus · October 2016

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Who is RD?

Radiant Destruction

Publius_Scipio · October 2016

Magus wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Who is RD?

Radiant Destruction

No, who is the person with followers he mentioned?

Magus · October 2016

Darnathian wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

There was a time when FENGRUSH was the only stam sorc in existence and he was a mighty warrior carving himself a name in the annals of time. He did it all without this current bag of tricks. Now the aedra (ZOS), gently in their hands cupped the mystic sands, and with a gentle puffy cheeks blow, spread these grains of sand sending new updates into mundus. And now everyone, their grandmother, and their pet goldfish is a stam sorc. Just ask the current king of the Meta Merry-Go-Round, Dubzog (since Sribes' brutal retirement at the hands of the aedra) and his assorted group of misfit buddies.

Edit: I don't think FENGRUSH had sexual relations in Tamriel and created all these other stam sorcs.

I agree its unfair to complain about Fengrush. I've teamed against him and with him a number of times. Fengrush has been doing the Orc Stamina Sorcerer a long time. I had one a long time as well, but it sat in my other account more as an idea and a concept than anything else (my main account has an Orc Nightblade with similar speedy orc intent in mind). Anyway the point is his build was unpopular and he made it work well. When people try to trash him about that, it shows ignorance or a form a rhetoric that is deceptive.

I can see why people don't like some of his rants, and from an entertainment perspective he might do better to tone some of that down for the improvement of his channel, but otherwise I think the guy does a very good job, and plays his character well. That last alchemist build I saw him running hit like a rail gun. I've played against him far more than for him, and this is how I took notice of the guy - because I thought 'hey that's neat to see one of those ideas I tossed around in my head being played and well'. I'm sure other people had the idea too, if supposedly there are millions of us playing. The fact he went and made it work though shouldn't be taken from him.

I played Templar since the very beginning of the game and to be frank it was pretty awful once they added CC Immunity to the game. I played Stamina Templar as well when the class had almost nothing but a handful of passives to offer. So when I see people gripe about how OP Templar is, and what an awful player you are just because you play one, it pisses me off. In the same respect, my response to these kinds of threads is to leave Fengrush out of it. It isn't fair. I understand you may dislike changes to the class, but those changes were made by developers, not by and for Fengrush.

The game was meant to be a 'do anything' game. Every class should have room to fill for: Stam DPS, Mag DPS, Stam Tank, Mag Tank, & Healer. I'm sorry if you don't like that concept, but that's the bill of goods their marketing team sold us 2 and a half years ago, as customers we expect it. I just want to add that I think the Stamina Sorcerer capacity to knock MELEE Nightblades out of stealth is a fantastic and interesting counter. I'd personally like to see them pump the boundless lightning armor up enough for the mage players so that it would hit at maximum melee range as well (8meters right?).

Well thats your opinion. We are entitled to ours as well.

I will call him out since he has been a leading adocate to nerf my beloved magplar. Specifically RD.

Stamsorc right now is miles above RD as a whole. Not just one skill.

And the Saint of Balance is silent.

You and I have been posting in similar circles (though I've not been on the forums quite so much of late). I will say this I have defended RD, and I disagreed with him on those topics. Personally, I would have preferred they kept Blinding Flashes and I hold to that, but I can live with things as they are. There were other ways they could have given DPS for the Dawn Wrath users. I understand RD is a valuable execute for the Magplar side of the class and it is a fun skill (reminds me of the final battle with Molag Bal). In fact it is so iconic it feels like to me the Templar is almost the stock character one should play through the game (at least til you start doing DB/TG at which point Nightblade feels more appropriate). Before I go on many more tangents I'll just say I'm defending Fengrush here because I don't think its fair to use him as the scapegoat for Hurricane (another skill that I frankly support and hope they keep). I don't think Hurricane is the problem, although I do think actually Boundless Lightning could stand to have an 8m range so it keeps melee stealth attackers at bay.

I appreciate what your saying. But he has followers and they listen without understanding the game.

It is fair to discredit him when he shows this type of biasm. He was i n every thread relating to nerfing RD.

Now that stam sorc is OPAF........, Silence.

I might actually turn on a streamer for the first time to get a laugh.

I imagibe i will here a greedy little kid laughing his butt off as easy mode.

One thing i can guarantee, you wont see an hour long rant about StamSorc being broken.

if you dont want to listen to me, then listen to Kodi fanbois. I believe he has numerous videos titled how broke it is

I nominate Fengrush for the Magicka DK challenge. It would be good entertainment to see him attempt to play mDK lol. I actually think he would end up with a pretty good build in the end with some good clips but the process of getting there would be pretty entertaining.

Edit: my grammar

olsborg · October 2016

Lord_Hev wrote: »

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Cathexis wrote: »

Liquid flood too, but lol. Stam Sorc? Everything. Their wrecking blow, light and heavy no matter the weap flavor, their ultimates, their dawnbreakers, every weap ult next patch, their own hurricane with an enormous radius, their very farts. Everything. Because "physical damage" lol.

Good point.

Magus · October 2016

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Magus wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Who is RD?

Radiant Destruction

No, who is the person with followers he mentioned?

I think he's referring to Fengrush and Kodi's, the two preeminent stam sorc streamers' followers.

loki547 · October 2016

mchermie wrote: »

My only problem with hurricane is implosion. Combine it with the dot from poison injection and youre almost guaranteed to die if you hit execute range (against a not bad stamsorc)

Implosion (and Energized) as passives are powerful, but balanced. It's those passives combined with the AOE DoT from Hurricane and all the other damage options available to stam that gets ridiculous.

Publius_Scipio · October 2016

FENGRUSH has left his blood all over Cyrodiil. And he has never not explained himself when he called for some balancing. Nor do i remember him ever dismissing someone else's opinion on the matter off the cuff.

I don't think those that are calling for change along with those that are proponents of the current flavor of stam sorc will disagree that right now not many, if any, builds out there right now can put the pressure on an enemy like a stam sorc can with not too much effort needed (with the gear, CP, and slotted skills).

As far as radiant destruction goes. As it pertains to solo situations, I could give two durzog sh[snip]s less about it. Just smack the templar in the face and thats that for RD. Now when we talk about open world pvp near a keep or something, then yeah RD is very annoying. You could be battling one, two, even more enemies and there will be a templar (or templars) in the background somewhere and all they do is spam RD on you, even when you are at full health. Then of course because you are fighting the other guys you health drops and RD kicks in and the templars get the kill. I'm not even calling for RD to be changed, but as the guy on the other side, yeah templar cheese balls are annoying.

Vitaely · October 2016

loki547 wrote: »

mchermie wrote: »

My only problem with hurricane is implosion. Combine it with the dot from poison injection and youre almost guaranteed to die if you hit execute range (against a not bad stamsorc)

Implosion (and Energized) as passives are powerful, but balanced. It's those passives combined with the AOE DoT from Hurricane and all the other damage options available to stam that gets ridiculous.

Implosion is not balanced; because only a percentage of damage will proc it on a mag sorc. For stam sorc everything you do has the possibility of proc'ing it.

In the end stam sorc fights in melee turns to this: Hurricane is on low, you get bursted by several attacks, hurricane gets stronger and starts countering your vigor heals, now it's a game of cat and mouse where you try to leave the hurricane range (which is huge now), and stam sorc just runs around you waiting for implosion to proc. You don't even need to do damage now. Implosion procs on one thing or the other. Profit.

Now tell me if Implosion is balanced. You main a mag sorc, how can you not see the difference Tamerlin. I love the changes made to stam sorc and how strong they have suddenly become on PVE. However the real imbalance in the class is Implosion, not Hurricane. As said before, hurricane has counters. Implosion hardly can be countered, you kill them first or you die to RNG.

Alucardo · October 2016

BigBragg wrote: »

They should totally remove the damage from Spear Shards too. It stuns, has a synergy, and can be used at range. Clearly with damage that is way too strong. While we are at it, let's take any off Ritual of Retribution too.

I know man. I freaking hate it when stam sorcs start throwing spear shards all over the place!

dodgehopper_ESO · October 2016

Alucardo wrote: »

BigBragg wrote: »

They should totally remove the damage from Spear Shards too. It stuns, has a synergy, and can be used at range. Clearly with damage that is way too strong. While we are at it, let's take any off Ritual of Retribution too.

I know man. I freaking hate it when stam sorcs start throwing spear shards all over the place!

I was more confused by the underlying implication that Spear Shards is actually good in PvP anymore (I personally don't believe it was good since the addition of CC Immunity to the game). My assumption was that BigBragg was joking, and I had nothing further to add. Lightning Splash is of course in my view vastly superior to Spear Shards in Cyrodiil. I have long held that RD would not have been needed to replace Blinding Flashes had they made other Dawn's Wrath skills live up to the hype. As it stands though, I have to admit I like the esthetic of the skill and it suits the class (though I begrudgingly miss my flashes as a tanky leaning player).

HoloYoitsu · October 2016

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

BigBragg wrote: »

They should totally remove the damage from Spear Shards too. It stuns, has a synergy, and can be used at range. Clearly with damage that is way too strong. While we are at it, let's take any off Ritual of Retribution too.

I know man. I freaking hate it when stam sorcs start throwing spear shards all over the place!

I was more confused by the underlying implication that Spear Shards is actually good in PvP anymore (I personally don't believe it was good since the addition of CC Immunity to the game). My assumption was that BigBragg was joking, and I had nothing further to add. Lightning Splash is of course in my view vastly superior to Spear Shards in Cyrodiil. I have long held that RD would not have been needed to replace Blinding Flashes had they made other Dawn's Wrath skills live up to the hype. As it stands though, I have to admit I like the esthetic of the skill and it suits the class (though I begrudgingly miss my flashes as a tanky leaning player).

Shards are good for restoring stam for ur group, but ya.

dodgehopper_ESO · October 2016

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

PrinceFabious wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Anazasi wrote: »

One set, one conclusion--Fascillia's Guile.

Stam sorc not going to keep hurricane up long when he or she realizes what debuff is killing them. Fact I do it all the time.

but the nanny dueling police told me I'd get bad joojoo for wearing that. It's against the dress code.

According to the meta police you must wear the same armor(black rose, veli)sets and have the same playstyle as your opponents to even be considered for a duel.

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

BigBragg wrote: »

They should totally remove the damage from Spear Shards too. It stuns, has a synergy, and can be used at range. Clearly with damage that is way too strong. While we are at it, let's take any off Ritual of Retribution too.

I know man. I freaking hate it when stam sorcs start throwing spear shards all over the place!

I was more confused by the underlying implication that Spear Shards is actually good in PvP anymore (I personally don't believe it was good since the addition of CC Immunity to the game). My assumption was that BigBragg was joking, and I had nothing further to add. Lightning Splash is of course in my view vastly superior to Spear Shards in Cyrodiil. I have long held that RD would not have been needed to replace Blinding Flashes had they made other Dawn's Wrath skills live up to the hype. As it stands though, I have to admit I like the esthetic of the skill and it suits the class (though I begrudgingly miss my flashes as a tanky leaning player).

Shards are good for restoring stam for ur group, but ya.

Its an iffy thing isn't it. The resource return is nice but I'm not sure anyone ever grabbed the glowstick when I sent it their way in pvp. I can't say I recollect anyone sending one to me either since the era of cc-stacking. A large part of that I believe is due to its slow animation and windup as well as the high mobility of pvp. It MIGHT be nice maybe on a flag, but I reckon a Templar healer type is more likely focused on other things in this scenario. I really wish Blazing Spears added an aoe component to the CC as well as its soft dps, and I wish the soft dps also existed on luminous. In my view anyway this skill falls short anywhere but the realm of the Undaunted.

Autolycus · October 2016

Wow, there is just so much "waaaaaah" going on here. Hurricane is weaker than volley guys, before the vMA enchant. There are about 46 different ways to against someone with it active.

HoloYoitsu · October 2016

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

PrinceFabious wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Anazasi wrote: »

One set, one conclusion--Fascillia's Guile.

Stam sorc not going to keep hurricane up long when he or she realizes what debuff is killing them. Fact I do it all the time.

but the nanny dueling police told me I'd get bad joojoo for wearing that. It's against the dress code.

According to the meta police you must wear the same armor(black rose, veli)sets and have the same playstyle as your opponents to even be considered for a duel.

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

BigBragg wrote: »

They should totally remove the damage from Spear Shards too. It stuns, has a synergy, and can be used at range. Clearly with damage that is way too strong. While we are at it, let's take any off Ritual of Retribution too.

I know man. I freaking hate it when stam sorcs start throwing spear shards all over the place!

I was more confused by the underlying implication that Spear Shards is actually good in PvP anymore (I personally don't believe it was good since the addition of CC Immunity to the game). My assumption was that BigBragg was joking, and I had nothing further to add. Lightning Splash is of course in my view vastly superior to Spear Shards in Cyrodiil. I have long held that RD would not have been needed to replace Blinding Flashes had they made other Dawn's Wrath skills live up to the hype. As it stands though, I have to admit I like the esthetic of the skill and it suits the class (though I begrudgingly miss my flashes as a tanky leaning player).

Shards are good for restoring stam for ur group, but ya.

Its an iffy thing isn't it. The resource return is nice but I'm not sure anyone ever grabbed the glowstick when I sent it their way in pvp. I can't say I recollect anyone sending one to me either since the era of cc-stacking. A large part of that I believe is due to its slow animation and windup as well as the high mobility of pvp. It MIGHT be nice maybe on a flag, but I reckon a Templar healer type is more likely focused on other things in this scenario. I really wish Blazing Spears added an aoe component to the CC as well as its soft dps, and I wish the soft dps also existed on luminous. In my view anyway this skill falls short anywhere but the realm of the Undaunted.

In VE we had our Templars spamming shards regularly throughout 1.6

Asgari · October 2016

How about making dark deal consume the magicka cost on cast and not after completion. So this way stam sorcs can't have the best of everything ..

If I bash your cast you should lose the magicka. Plain and simple.

Derra · October 2016

Kilandros wrote: »

I just want to get this straight: a 6% RNG chance to proc Implosion on targets under 15% health is somehow more OP then the Endless Fury autokill the moment a target drops below 20% health? Nahh.

Should we bring radiant destruction into this too because we´re at it anyways?

I mean those three are obviously comparable...

Metemsycosis · October 2016

I don't think hurricane needs nerfed. I don't think I've taken more than 4K of damage from it on my squishiest builds and I don't consider that its danger to me unless I stand blocking and lose too much stamina. I stopped doing that and suddenly I move away from the hurricane as though it were a steel tornado spam or whatever. Seriously though - im not sure what edge (or even flavor) that class had before hurricane, the way say templars have purify and healing or dks with honest to goodness tankiness and leap!- night blades and their high base recovery stats for burst focusing. Now we are seeing some uniqueness out of it.

That said, even if the damage were nerfed I suspect every stamsorc would still use it.

Izaki · October 2016

loki547 wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

So you want to nerf into uselessness the one skill that makes stamina sorcerers any good in PvP or PvE?

It'd still be very useful as a skill. Stam Sorcs have more way than any other Stam class to deal dmg/heal/utility because of Crit Surge and not having to Slot 2h/ Rally for heals, plus they have the option of going overload for a 3rd bar. Stam Sorc would be balanced without the ridiculous damage from hurricane.

Aha except if hurricane don't deal dmg no more, crit surge won't proc. And it would make them useless in PvE. If you think up a nerf make it so it doesn't render a class useless in PvE. Hurricane is the one and only reason stam sorcs perform well in trials. Not Dark Deal which causes you to lose DPS, not Streak because there's no LoS, not crit surge because there's a healer and you use pots to buff up. Bet you haven't though of PvE have you? Hurricane is AoE damage, a chance to proc Implosion and a defense buff. The 1 skill that made stam sorcs what they are now.
I play a mage sorc in PvP most of the time. Stam sorcs aren't that hard to kill knowing that most of them are Fengrush wannabes who haven't even spent enough time to learn a single class cause they're chasing the meta which changes every month. Hurricane's damage doesn't turn a bad player into a good one. The people who play well make stam sorcs deadly and tough to kill. Let's face it though, not many people know how to play stam sorc. Hurricane is a means of putting pressure between the Dizzy Swings. Just like Venom Claw and Noxious Breath are for DKs. Just like Jabs are for Templars. NBs have a great class skill that puts enough pressure already. So what? You still can't agree with me that Hurricane's damage is essential to a stam sorc? It doesn't hit that hard either. It the combination of everything that makes it seem to hit like a tornado of trucks. The implosion passive is also huge for sorcs (mage and stam) if you make it so it doesn't proc on DoTs then once again the PvE sorc is heavily nerfed because ALL your damage is DoTs on stam and half of your DPS on mage also comes from DoTs.
Is this really not enough to change your mind?...

Rikumaru · October 2016

At least for implosion to execute someone with hurricane you have to be a little closer than 41m away from the target

Alucardo · October 2016

Rikumaru wrote: »

At least for implosion to execute someone with hurricane you have to be a little closer than 41m away from the target

I don't really care about implosion anyway tbh. The highest it has ever hit me was 4k. It's no more dangerous than viper's sting, and that has a 100% chance to proc every 4 seconds. So many times when I'm about to heal I get snuffed out because of a proc. It's a bit stupid.