As a healer, do you use healing springs in a 4 man dungeon?

akl77 · September 2016

As a front bar slot?

mobicera · September 2016

I do, I find it to be one of the most useful heals in the game. That and healing ward.
On console so I can't check this but I would not be surprised if healing springs is my main source of healing done in 95% content.

In op groups I still drop it when not needed often just to proc SPC and masters resto staff enchant, as rapid Regen targeting is no longer smart cast and that annoys me more than most things in the game.

WhiteCoatSyndrome · September 2016

Yes. Mutagen - Healing Springs - Healing Ward, then Barrier in the Ulti slot.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · September 2016

Only because I have a master resto. Before that in four man content my bar looked like- inner light - breath - repent - mutagen - syphon spirit with barrier as ulti. I replaced syphon with springs since I got the master resto. It really does over heal like crazy. I got through all content in the game with just mutagen and repentance. With breath sprinkled in.

lolo_01b16_ESO · September 2016

Usually not. Exeptions are 3rd boss CoA, and depending on the rest of my group also CoA last boss, WGT last boss, and some parts of CoS.
Usually when healing dungeons my front bar is radiant oppression, puncturing sweep, reflective light, ritual of retribution, breath of life, agressive warhorn and my back bar is rapid regen, combat prayer, luminous shards, channeled focus, repentance, solar prison.

But in case you are not so experienced as healer, slotting healing springs can be usefull untill you know all boss mechanics good enough to be sure to always know when people are going to take how much damage.

akl77 · September 2016

I find healing spring is somewhat limited due to the small circle it is healing, and archer or Mage usually wasn't in the circle of healing Spring. So when boss do AOE, someone outside the circle will die due to it's limited range. Or is the way I'm using it wrong?

Brrrofski · September 2016

Yes, but just to keep everyone's spc up.

leeux · September 2016

Sometimes, for some fights where stacking is encouraged. Like CoA or final boss of FG (though, for this one it is not as important as it once was...

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If not, I replace Healing Springs with Combat Prayer or Regeneration.

EDIT: missing word

akl77 · September 2016

For vet COA boss I only find the last boss need healing Spring, the other COA bosses people are going to run around all over the place so Bol more effective. But I get told to use healing Spring on COA other bosses as well, why is that?

Brrrofski · September 2016

akl77 wrote: »

For vet COA boss I only find the last boss need healing Spring, the other COA bosses people are going to run around all over the place so Bol more effective. But I get told to use healing Spring on COA other bosses as well, why is that?

The big deadroth one is stack and burn. You all stand there, smash him and ignore adds. Healer just uses healing springs and combat pray through it. The last boss to. The rest doesn't matter massively though.

visionality · September 2016

Yes, and although it doesnt look like much on the tool tip, it's always my strongest heal, far more reliable than BoL. I love that I can target it exactly where I want, encouraging group members to stay or move to the right place, and combined with Combat Prayer it allows me to keep group health (and SPC) constantly up and do big emergency heals at very low cost.

Also in some (rare) cases it's just really helpful to focus heals on the valuable players in the group. ;-)

Pandorii · September 2016

I do, but I get annoyed when a DPS or tank don't stand on it. (but stand just right outside of it.)

akl77 · September 2016

Brrrofski wrote: »

akl77 wrote: »

For vet COA boss I only find the last boss need healing Spring, the other COA bosses people are going to run around all over the place so Bol more effective. But I get told to use healing Spring on COA other bosses as well, why is that?

The big deadroth one is stack and burn. You all stand there, smash him and ignore adds. Healer just uses healing springs and combat pray through it. The last boss to. The rest doesn't matter massively though.

I see, that'll work too.

My old strategy is when the boss starts to smash the ground then everyone runs around to avoid AOE and killing adds.

JKith · September 2016

I used to until my sustain was good enough. Now Rapid Regen, Repentance, Ritual of Ret and BoL is all the healing spells I need.... less worrying about having stacked players.

Totalitarian · September 2016

Yeah, I do.

I run Illustrious Healing, so I get that 4 second HOT instead of 3.

What I do is while the AOE is active, I swap to my other bar, and unleash DPS, and continue to DPS until someone takes damage, then swap and renew the AOE.

code65536 · September 2016

For 4-man content, never.

Cast Mutagen on the party, and lay down Ritual of Retribution
Swap to my DPS bar (which has BoL and Repent slotted)
Do DPS, throw BoL as needed, Repent when available, and swap back to recast my two HoTs when they run out

I keep my HoTs up (Mutagen, Ritual) and they provide the bulk of the healing that I do (and they keep SPC up on the group). I cast BoL when someone takes burst damage. With both HoTs running, I usually don't need to stop to BoL. And if a Repent is available, I'll use that too for the heal and stamina refill.

I've healed no-death runs of the DLC dungeons with this kind of setup. I also heal vDSA without Springs.

Of course, for Trials, Springs is king, and I'll switch to my Master's Resto and spam Springs. But for all 4-man content, I'll swap to my Maelstrom Resto and not even slot Springs. The DPS contribution from the healer in small-group content is significant, and HoTs are very effective and efficient at taking care of most of the group's healing needs, with BoL filling in the few gaps. There really is no point in using Springs--you're overhealing and losing out on way too much healer DPS.

Vangy · September 2016

Its useful far more often than its not. And generally I find it very cumbersome to swap in and swap out. Its the best mana efficient heal in the whole damn game and with master's resto, its even more icing on the cake. It keeps every1s SPC up too. Very few fights in this game require u to actually be very split up. Even if ur just healing 2 people with it, its worth every little bit of mana spent. U can heal the 3rd or 4th dude with BOL's or ward etc. Too useful to take it off front bar.

Frozenmosquito · September 2016

lol no, but im a templar. Its very overrated outside of trials for templars specifically. Rapid regen ticks for extremely high and that is enough with breath of life. If its a high damage situation in a room, you can use ritual of retribution for even higher hps overall but its never necessary - just a precaution. Im 350 CP and have healed everything in game apart from vet trials and have never any problems keeping anyone alive with those 2 spells. High spell crit & magicka and ur ticks heal like trucks.

+ just got a maelstrom resto staff finally, and what do you know about the enchantment

Completely useless if all u do is spam springs

Reverb · September 2016

I use cheesy springs for fights where everybody is stacked, but prefer Purifying Ritual and Mutagen as HoTs.

akl77 · September 2016

code65536 wrote: »

For 4-man content, never.
Cast Mutagen on the party, and lay down Ritual of Retribution

Swap to my DPS bar (which has BoL and Repent slotted)

Do DPS, throw BoL as needed, Repent when available, and swap back to recast my two HoTs when they run out

I keep my HoTs up (Mutagen, Ritual) and they provide the bulk of the healing that I do (and they keep SPC up on the group). I cast BoL when someone takes burst damage. With both HoTs running, I usually don't need to stop to BoL. And if a Repent is available, I'll use that too for the heal and stamina refill.

I've healed no-death runs of the DLC dungeons with this kind of setup. I also heal vDSA without Springs.

Of course, for Trials, Springs is king, and I'll switch to my Master's Resto and spam Springs. But for all 4-man content, I'll swap to my Maelstrom Resto and not even slot Springs. The DPS contribution from the healer in small-group content is significant, and HoTs are very effective and efficient at taking care of most of the group's healing needs, with BoL filling in the few gaps. There really is no point in using Springs--you're overhealing and losing out on way too much healer DPS.

Well said.

DemonDruaga · September 2016

No usualy not, i make sure my hots are up and do bol if needed. There are things where i use it with my masters staff, some burn phases where everybody stacks and goes nuts on the boss.
But it depends on the group ofc

with my guildies i almost never need bol, expect for myself

WhiteMage · September 2016

I can get kinda lazy and sloppy when running dungeons I've already beaten... And it can be hard to trust rapid regen to target properly, so yes, I run healing springs. When used in tandem with combat prayer it is overhealing by a great deal which does me two things: it keeps up SPC reliably (I MAKE it happen) and when some random burst from bosses come along or for whatever reason all hell breaks loose in the dungeon, no one dies. And suddenly folks see me as an awesome healer and ask me to join hard runs later on. It works.

Run a dps back bar and they'll like you even more.

Silver_Strider · September 2016

Not really but I haven't healed since Mutagen stopped being a smart heal.
As a NB Healer, I used to just use Mutagen and Funnel Health to keep everyone up, maybe a Refreshing Path laid out on top for good measure. Sap Essence for Trash mobs and Healing Ward for Bosses usually kept everyone up thru most scenarios, unless they were bad; You can't heal stupid after all.
If ZOS would fix Mutagen and if I got a Master Resto, I'd take up healing again but ATM, I'll just enjoy my Bomblade in PvP.

CasNation · September 2016

No. Only in trials now. I also heal/tank though, so I don't slot a resto staff.