Xbox Na Economy is the worst

LBxFinalDeath · September 2016

What?

Selfish players who probably only play because they treat the game like a "Make money simulator" because they aren't all that into PvE or PvP at this stage of the game are holding a monopoly over a very sought after upgrading material because Zenimax REFUSES to separate heavy armor and blacksmith weapons (they shouldn't both take temp alloy tbh, that was ASKING for trouble tbh)...and of course because Zenimax refused to put anything in place to prevent this from happening, this is just what happens when selfish players are given free reign to do whatever they want.

They should just make it insanely easy to get like Kuta tbh, easiest way to fix this issue.

Make it so a stack of 200 ore gives you a guaranteed 2 to 3 or something.

Right now its like 1 out of every 6 red runestone gives a Kuta so yeah.

Idk though, prolly better solutions but just making Temp alloy by far easier to get would be the best way to level out its guild store pricing, it should be nowhere near 20K for a single Temp alloy, it shouldn't even be 15K (which is the lowest price you'll find in my experience if you go looking for the guild traders that are in the middle of nowhere)

SnubbS · September 2016

Cryptical wrote: »

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

And of course "typical" farming is an option, but with the low drop rates, it can take days to get the amount needed. Not everyone just sits in their mother's basement having all the play-time in the world you know. Some of us actually want to play the game with what little time we have in the day.

I recall the guildmate who wasnt old enough to buy ESO on his own, was spending his last summer after high school graduation at 12plus hours playing daily, and thought that his mag-sorc overload build made him superior to we 40/50/60 year olds who have incomes to make and bills to pay.

But in fairness, that would make him a superior player. If he's playing 12 hours a day while you're all playing 10-15 hours a week -- it's only natural that he would become the superior player in terms of understanding the game and understanding his class.

It's very popular to refer to millennials as the "Entitlement" generation. However, the idea that you're going to spend a fraction of the time on something that someone else does -- and be equally proficient based off nothing more than your age and the fact that you have real world responsibilities is one of the most entitled things I've ever read.

Karivaa · September 2016

If I wanted to play to make gold, I could. I would be doing every trial and dungeon possible.

Cryptical · September 2016

SnubbS wrote: »

Cryptical wrote: »

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

And of course "typical" farming is an option, but with the low drop rates, it can take days to get the amount needed. Not everyone just sits in their mother's basement having all the play-time in the world you know. Some of us actually want to play the game with what little time we have in the day.

I recall the guildmate who wasnt old enough to buy ESO on his own, was spending his last summer after high school graduation at 12plus hours playing daily, and thought that his mag-sorc overload build made him superior to we 40/50/60 year olds who have incomes to make and bills to pay.

But in fairness, that would make him a superior player. If he's playing 12 hours a day while you're all playing 10-15 hours a week -- it's only natural that he would become the superior player in terms of understanding the game and understanding his class.

It's very popular to refer to millennials as the "Entitlement" generation. However, the idea that you're going to spend a fraction of the time on something that someone else does -- and be equally proficient based off nothing more than your age and the fact that you have real world responsibilities is one of the most entitled things I've ever read.

Read that again. Where did I say superior *player*?

It's not about being as good for a slice of the time. It's about those with oodles of time being aware that they have a benefit that most don't.

Sheezabeast · September 2016

zuto40 wrote: »

karldavy149b16_ESO wrote: »

i always have to laugh when i see posts like this the economy dont matter go grind the mats it really doesnt take long to get yaself enough temps and dreugh to fully legendary a suit (tanks dont need to go legendary other than the shield if u spent cp right) this is just anouther post from the entitlement generation ... u think the grind for temps/dreugh is bad u clearly never played swg and ground out jedi now that was a grind that could take 7-8 months of 5 hour days to get....

ultimately if thats what it cost and im guessing you being the entitlement generation then thats what u have to pay .. get over yourself go put in some work or pay the price

Hey look everyone someone using the age card again, alright buddy lemme say a few things

1: selling them for tel var still requires grinding

2: I played a game called pirate101 you may have heard of it before and might think that's a children's game, your not wrong but the bis gear for that game requires way more grinding then any game you've played, getting top gear took my clan(Undefeated CvC record) over 2 years of playing 12 hours a day, even still after a year of farming I have yet to get shoshos kit, an item locked behind a half hour dungeon with a loot table diluted by 100's of other items, every loot table is diluted like that. Did I mention this bis gear is only wearable by 1 class, there are 5, I know a grind thank you very much

3: I'm assuming you're apart of another generation so yes call me the entitlement generation, it's not like your generation helped **** over the world

If you played a game with a crappy loot setup for 12+ hrs a day/week for over 2 years, you either don't catch on too fast to things, or you were underage on that site to begin with and it showed by manifesting into your blind chase the carrot experience that made you jaded. Age gates are important because of young developing minds. Learn from your experience, work for something reasonably. If you can't earn it, work for it. Also grinding telvar is beyond easy since they nerfed IC into the ground. Mobs used to hurt.

ForsakenSin · September 2016

iim just going to share my story , one month ago i had like 80k gold and i was always wondering how people can buy items worth 200k ect mind you 80k gold was the most money i had since the game came out... so yhea i spend some money ect but max i always had at one time was 80k

so about a month ago what ive done is each day i spend 1 hr of my play time shopping and selling buying low selling high and i managed to turn that 80k gold into 800k ( mind you ive also managed to spend over 400k on items i wanted) so i hate to say this but making money is easy ... farm mats join the guild the guild i am in pays 5k per week so not bad sell those mats or refine it and look at items that sell and find them and resell it for a bit cheaper ect.

However its a shame that people who exploited are allowed to keep their mats and tamper in guild shops ive seen same person selling 200 tamper 200 tamper 200 tamper 200 wax 200 wax 1.4mill per stack

so in total 600 tamper and 400 wax .... and this was only in one trader who knows how many others traders he is selling them to.....

zuto40 · September 2016

Sheezabeast wrote: »

zuto40 wrote: »

karldavy149b16_ESO wrote: »

i always have to laugh when i see posts like this the economy dont matter go grind the mats it really doesnt take long to get yaself enough temps and dreugh to fully legendary a suit (tanks dont need to go legendary other than the shield if u spent cp right) this is just anouther post from the entitlement generation ... u think the grind for temps/dreugh is bad u clearly never played swg and ground out jedi now that was a grind that could take 7-8 months of 5 hour days to get....

ultimately if thats what it cost and im guessing you being the entitlement generation then thats what u have to pay .. get over yourself go put in some work or pay the price

Hey look everyone someone using the age card again, alright buddy lemme say a few things

1: selling them for tel var still requires grinding

2: I played a game called pirate101 you may have heard of it before and might think that's a children's game, your not wrong but the bis gear for that game requires way more grinding then any game you've played, getting top gear took my clan(Undefeated CvC record) over 2 years of playing 12 hours a day, even still after a year of farming I have yet to get shoshos kit, an item locked behind a half hour dungeon with a loot table diluted by 100's of other items, every loot table is diluted like that. Did I mention this bis gear is only wearable by 1 class, there are 5, I know a grind thank you very much

3: I'm assuming you're apart of another generation so yes call me the entitlement generation, it's not like your generation helped **** over the world

If you played a game with a crappy loot setup for 12+ hrs a day/week for over 2 years, you either don't catch on too fast to things, or you were underage on that site to begin with and it showed by manifesting into your blind chase the carrot experience that made you jaded. Age gates are important because of young developing minds. Learn from your experience, work for something reasonably. If you can't earn it, work for it. Also grinding telvar is beyond easy since they nerfed IC into the ground. Mobs used to hurt.

i played it so much because i loved playing with my friends, and tel var is not easy for the common player, at least if there AD or DC because ill be there to help them carry some of it

VoRaVeLi · September 2016

Don't worry soon enough I'm sure they will offer to gold any item for crowns for all you complainers.

All the complaining on this forum has turned the game into trash they listen to all the wow pugs opinions and they make terrible decisions based off of them.

SnubbS · September 2016

Cryptical wrote: »

SnubbS wrote: »

Cryptical wrote: »

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

And of course "typical" farming is an option, but with the low drop rates, it can take days to get the amount needed. Not everyone just sits in their mother's basement having all the play-time in the world you know. Some of us actually want to play the game with what little time we have in the day.

I recall the guildmate who wasnt old enough to buy ESO on his own, was spending his last summer after high school graduation at 12plus hours playing daily, and thought that his mag-sorc overload build made him superior to we 40/50/60 year olds who have incomes to make and bills to pay.

But in fairness, that would make him a superior player. If he's playing 12 hours a day while you're all playing 10-15 hours a week -- it's only natural that he would become the superior player in terms of understanding the game and understanding his class.

It's very popular to refer to millennials as the "Entitlement" generation. However, the idea that you're going to spend a fraction of the time on something that someone else does -- and be equally proficient based off nothing more than your age and the fact that you have real world responsibilities is one of the most entitled things I've ever read.

Read that again. Where did I say superior *player*?

It's not about being as good for a slice of the time. It's about those with oodles of time being aware that they have a benefit that most don't.

"His mag-sorc overload build made him superior to us" That's his character, moreover that's him -- and that's also him in the setting of the game. You'd have to be quite daft to get anything else out of the limited information you've provided. Are you trying to insinuate that he felt he was a superior human being? That's quite far-fetched and likely untrue.

I understand that you're trying to go buzzfeed-mode and basically tell everyone with free time to go 'Check their privilege' but it's quite unnecessary.

failkiwib16_ESO · September 2016

ForsakenSin wrote: »

iim just going to share my story , one month ago i had like 80k gold and i was always wondering how people can buy items worth 200k ect mind you 80k gold was the most money i had since the game came out... so yhea i spend some money ect but max i always had at one time was 80k

so about a month ago what ive done is each day i spend 1 hr of my play time shopping and selling buying low selling high and i managed to turn that 80k gold into 800k ( mind you ive also managed to spend over 400k on items i wanted) so i hate to say this but making money is easy ... farm mats join the guild the guild i am in pays 5k per week so not bad sell those mats or refine it and look at items that sell and find them and resell it for a bit cheaper ect.

However its a shame that people who exploited are allowed to keep their mats and tamper in guild shops ive seen same person selling 200 tamper 200 tamper 200 tamper 200 wax 200 wax 1.4mill per stack

so in total 600 tamper and 400 wax .... and this was only in one trader who knows how many others traders he is selling them to.....

I buy stacks of raw materials from low levels and I search through guildtraders for raw materials, when I refine I get 100-350 of each Rosin/Wax/Alloys.

I don't sell them in 200 stacks though, as people rarely buy them at that size, I sell mine 1 by 1 or in stacks of 8 max.

Btw. I don't cheat the low levels I buy cheap materials from, but I do secure a return of profit of 20%-30% - I let them know that they can sell their materials for higher prices to others, and I offer them to recruit them into trading guilds, but they choose to sell to me.

Volrion · September 2016

Ron_Burgundy_79 wrote: »

Sasyk wrote: »

Do you really believe a handful of players have power over an entire Xbox NA community?

Fixed and yes. A small group of players control the majority of the large guild traders. This allows them to set the minimum prices for many items such as tempering alloys.

Farming is a solution, but it's not always viable for people with time constraints. I chose to farm and seek out the help of some guildies last time I wanted to make some gold swords.

This game is a massive RNG grind.

Why don't people just go into the boondocks?

Mournhold will always be inflated compared to say, lower Shadowfen...

If consumers were smart, they could easily manipulate the market to reduce the prices.

Cryptical · September 2016

SourishWhale wrote: »

If consumers were smart, they could easily manipulate the market to reduce the prices.

This assumes 'consumers' act with one mind.

Real world example: This exact moment, you can walk into the local grocery store and look at the bottled water, and see a product that has upwards of a 100% markup, typically at just the last legs of the journey to the shelf.

Why do consumers accept that? If consumers were smart, then the nestle pure life / deer park / Poland spring / dasani / etc bottled water would be manipulated into lower prices, right? Wrong.

It's not a question of smart or not. It's a question of who is in the position of leverage. Consumers are many but diffuse, the supplier and the supplier outlets are few but are focused. The suppliers know economies aren't rational, they are made of people doing transactions - and people make purchases based on emotion far more than on logical comparison of cost to benefit ratios. Just look at the advertising world for supporting detail: beer is advertised to make us feel fun, sex is used to evoke a desire (emotion) in us that bleeds over into desire for the product, bright colors are to put us in a brighter mood, and so on.

Take the idea that an economy works on the basis of rational measurements of cost to benefit, and toss it in the trash.

Arthur_Spoonfondle · September 2016

As long as the deeply flawed guild trader system remains in place, the situation will not improve.

alexkdd99 · September 2016

Calboy wrote: »

alexkdd99 wrote: »

Calboy wrote: »

People are forgetting that this is GAME. I don't play eso as a chore, I play for fun after a full days commitments. But it gets harder and harder to log on and have fun when people are buying all the tempers and charging 30k for them. And people on here casually are like oh it's inflation lol live with it stop being entitled bla bla bla. No this isn't inflation, it's people with no real life anything holding the monopoly and charging everyone far far far too much for things. All it will achieve is a huge wallet and a gradual population decline.

Not this again. Anytime anything happens that people don't agree with the game is all of a sudden going to die.
I think most have done this including myself but in reality that is not going to happen.

So since you play this as a game and don't consider farming to be part of the game that things should just be handed to you? You as a single player can choose what they do with their in game time just as everyone else can to. Just because you consider farming a chore does not mean everyone else does as well.
As long as people are buying people will continue selling for whatever people buy them for.

Who is to say what is to much? The player base as a whole decides what is to much, not you or me alone.

Nobody forces you to upgrade your items, nobody forces you to buy or farm your gold mats.
Just because you don't enjoy part of the game does not mean others don't as well.

No farming is not fun. Farming is something that young people do because they have all the time in the world and when they are done farming then they continue onto the fun parts parts of the game. I do not play this game to 'farm' yet there is no competitive alternative in this game to progress and keep up with they constant addition of sets in this game that are getting more and more ridiculous.

Also I never said the game would die, you put those words in my mouth. However I play in the oceanic timezone and because of the lower population there I can easily notice the population declining because some nights the pvp is non existent and there are very few people in the main hubs compared to recent months.

When someone says a game has a declining population what is that suppose to lead people to believe you are saying?
I did not say farming was fun for you I said because you don't like farming does not mean others don't enjoy it.
Not sure where you come to the conclusion only younger people like farming either.
Farming for Gear, gold, upgrade mats or whatever else there is in any given mmo is just part of the package.

Farming is just another aspect of every mmo and like every other aspect it has to be balanced.

Ebonheart1111 · September 2016

Im ok with grinding, but the current drop rate is abyssmal for the more casual player.

Most casual players only have a few hours, if that, to spend playing and it's ignorant to tell then that they need to spend a month or more grinding away using all their precious few hours every day to be able to upgrade and compete with the jobless people staying at home raking in the welfare checks and or mommy and daddy's allowances.

I foresee crown store selling gold mats in the near future...

FearlessOne_2014 · September 2016

Ebonheart1111 wrote: »

Im ok with grinding, but the current drop rate is abyssmal for the more casual player.

Most casual players only have a few hours, if that, to spend playing and it's ignorant to tell then that they need to spend a month or more grinding away using all their precious few hours every day to be able to upgrade and compete with the jobless people staying at home raking in the welfare checks and or mommy and daddy's allowances.

I foresee crown store selling gold mats in the near future...

What did Agent Smith said in that movie... The Matrix.

"It's inevitable."

Waffennacht · September 2016

Wouldn't be surprised to see em at 100,000 tvs ea or 500,000 AP

Ron_Burgundy_79 · September 2016

Waffennacht wrote: »

Wouldn't be surprised to see em at 100,000 tvs ea or 500,000 AP

I'd be very surprised to see them cost that much. This is based off of my experience selling items purchased with AP and telvar. The rate of exchange between gold and telvar has been about 1:1 varying slightly spending on what is being sold. AP to gold has been between a 1:2.5 and a 1:3 ratio (gold:AP).

Now I wouldn't be surprised if it was 10-20k telvar or somewhere between 50k and 100k AP.