Hiero_Glyph wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

No matter what you think of black rose, nerfing it a month before thirty plus new sets are released is dumb. Who knows, maybe no one will be using it in a month.

No, it still needs to be balanced, regardless of when it happens. Besides, after this Tel Var event it will continue to be a problem due to how easy it is to acquire. Your solution sounds like something ZOS would say, and we know they suck at balance already.

So you're saying that you want to nerf a set a month before thirty plus new sets are released?

Erock25 wrote: »

Hiero_Glyph wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

No matter what you think of black rose, nerfing it a month before thirty plus new sets are released is dumb. Who knows, maybe no one will be using it in a month.

No, it still needs to be balanced, regardless of when it happens. Besides, after this Tel Var event it will continue to be a problem due to how easy it is to acquire. Your solution sounds like something ZOS would say, and we know they suck at balance already.

So you're saying that you want to nerf a set a month before thirty plus new sets are released?

Yes, have you joined the pts server? Black Rose will continue it's reign.

Xinthisis wrote: »

@Wrobel Please take a look at this. The changes I'm asking for will not make blackrose useless, it will just bring it down a notch. Change one max stamina buff to max magicka, and either remove or reduce the spell and weapon damage buff on the 5 piece.
All the most knowledgeable pvp players agree its overperforming and in a game where stamina based builds are dominating Cyrodiil, we need to at the very least make one of the only viable heavy armor sets universal for stamina and magicka builds. Thanks.

How can you ask for a Nerf when NB's are running Velidreth, Eternal Hunt, Viper and torching people left and right in PVP regardless of their resource management. Not many are living long enough to get a couple Black Rose resource ticks.

I personally think Medium armor is overperforming...(to make a point) Should we be screaming for a Medium Armor nerf, or Nightblades in general? Your singular focus on this set is missing the big picture. Take a step back and ask should any nerf should it occur be this one set (because you dont like it)? Or alternately how would you feel if several sets like yours were included in the adjustment?

The reason why stamina is so much stronger than magicka on heavy armor is because they get their weapon damage from HA and carry over their penetration from their mace or maul. That is something magicka cannot do as destro pen is for destro only. On top of that stamina is naturally lower in cost to make up for dodge roll which doesn't have to be used as much in HA making their skills naturally cheap.

Black Rose would be okay but for that. All heavy armor development needs to keep those two concepts in mind and keep the stamina and weapon damage on sets in check. Changing one of the stamina's to magicka would be a good start.

Cronopoly wrote: »

Xinthisis wrote: »

@Wrobel Please take a look at this. The changes I'm asking for will not make blackrose useless, it will just bring it down a notch. Change one max stamina buff to max magicka, and either remove or reduce the spell and weapon damage buff on the 5 piece.
All the most knowledgeable pvp players agree its overperforming and in a game where stamina based builds are dominating Cyrodiil, we need to at the very least make one of the only viable heavy armor sets universal for stamina and magicka builds. Thanks.

How can you ask for a Nerf when NB's are running Velidreth, Eternal Hunt, Viper and torching people left and right in PVP regardless of their resource management. Not many are living long enough to get a couple Black Rose resource ticks.

I personally think Medium armor is overperforming...(to make a point) Should we be screaming for a Medium Armor nerf, or Nightblades in general? Your singular focus on this set is missing the big picture. Take a step back and ask should any nerf should it occur be this one set (because you dont like it)? Or alternately how would you feel if several sets like yours were included in the adjustment?

lmfao, nbs are torching people in pvp with blackrose on, just not roll dodging as much....

If you really want to talk about sweeping changes, how about we talk about that in another forum post. Blackrose is overperforming on all stamina based builds.. There is a reason its a go to set by all the top tier small scale/1vx/duelers to include myself. Its not beneficial for me to ask for these balance changes to the set, as I plan on running br next patch with some other funny 5 piece. However, for balance sake I'm asking to change black rose set bonuses. The set will still be very strong, it just wont be overperforming.

AfkNinja wrote: »

SanTii.92 wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

Hiero_Glyph wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

No matter what you think of black rose, nerfing it a month before thirty plus new sets are released is dumb. Who knows, maybe no one will be using it in a month.

No, it still needs to be balanced, regardless of when it happens. Besides, after this Tel Var event it will continue to be a problem due to how easy it is to acquire. Your solution sounds like something ZOS would say, and we know they suck at balance already.

So you're saying that you want to nerf a set a month before thirty plus new sets are released?

Yes, have you joined the pts server? Black Rose will continue it's reign.

With Bone Pirates Tatters we're looking at 8370 Stamina (aka 837 wep dmg equivalent) and 870 stamina recovery before % bonuses are calculated. Medium Armor. You think Black Rose is OP compared to this?

code65536 wrote: »

Based on the lore text (appears on the consumable itself, not on the recipe), I'm guessing that these are for the New Life Festival.

A few notes...

1. It seems that the 9 recipes are intended to represent each of the 9 core races (sorry, Imperials).
2. Two of the recipes have inconsistent colors (Alcaire Pie is blue despite being single-effect, and Lava Foot is purple despite being dual-effect); the resulting food/drink product, however, is appropriately colored. This is probably just a bug with the recipe's color.
3. Note that the Max Stamina + Stamina Recovery item is technically considered a drink. This would pair very well with Bone Pirate's Tatters...
4. Your guess is as good as mine as to what "insights" into fish means.

New life festival it's not happening till end of the year, so your numbers are all wrong.

Its funny because you're bad lol.

Nerf sorcs

It's the new willows path. Someone said it, sustain > burst with this set. I feel like my mSorc now on my DK. Not gonna burst you to oblivion but if i can cc you a few times you'll run outta resources soon enough while I'm max.

RobTheAxe wrote: »

I used the Armor ov the Black Rose instead of a crafted set once I hit 160!

Being Purple quality and already Enchanted was a huge plus for me as a newer player

If I had Agility jewelry - and I plan on acquiring my own rather than trading for it (probably next patch, but new sets to consider then as well) - I feel my power would have been even greater! Maybe for next time!

I did not have enough traits to craft Morkuldin but I have seen very good players using that one!

Some ov the strongest players I have encountered were Magicka sorcerers!

Check out my Black Rose in action in the last video I posted!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJsP51fhBH4

Please tell me this video wasn't serious? Most of the players were pretty much non existant in CP level.... music was as cheesey as this set is.... and you pretty much clearly displayed how a player with little skill can be somewhat successful in meta gear :') like you are aware that vigor is a heal over time right? And that casting ability again 1 second into abilities duration does nothing more than reapply the healing effect of the ability. You literally casted vigor 4 times in a row at one point. Cast it once and then reapply towards end of abilties duration.... not 1 second in lol. Pretty much proved original posters point.

d3nbark3r wrote: »

RobTheAxe wrote: »

I used the Armor ov the Black Rose instead of a crafted set once I hit 160!

Being Purple quality and already Enchanted was a huge plus for me as a newer player

If I had Agility jewelry - and I plan on acquiring my own rather than trading for it (probably next patch, but new sets to consider then as well) - I feel my power would have been even greater! Maybe for next time!

I did not have enough traits to craft Morkuldin but I have seen very good players using that one!

Some ov the strongest players I have encountered were Magicka sorcerers!

Check out my Black Rose in action in the last video I posted!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJsP51fhBH4

Please tell me this video wasn't serious? Most of the players were pretty much non existant in CP level.... music was as cheesey as this set is.... and you pretty much clearly displayed how a player with little skill can be somewhat successful in meta gear :') like you are aware that vigor is a heal over time right? And that casting ability again 1 second into abilities duration does nothing more than reapply the healing effect of the ability. You literally casted vigor 4 times in a row at one point. Cast it once and then reapply towards end of abilties duration.... not 1 second in lol. Pretty much proved original posters point.

Yikes. Bash the random new player who honestly wants to contribute to the community and discussion. Why don't you just call him bad and ask to "1v1 me, bro?" ...Really?

@RobTheAxe , cool video. That's my favorite thing about the tel var sets atm too. Drop 25k stones and get a full 5 piece in purple quality with all impen traits. No need to screw around with RNG. Pretty good deal.

Concerning the OP: I made it through almost all the posts here and it's seems like people aren't really getting what the OP is saying. Black Rose is not OP. Heavy Armor is not OP.
Stamina DPS builds running Black Rose for it's insane sustainability while taking a very small hit to damage is OP. It's clear that many of you posting have not run into one of these players in actual combat and are trying to judge this issue on paper alone. Trust me, Black Rose run in the above manner is very strong, imo.

Waffennacht wrote: »

The_Outsider wrote: »

d3nbark3r wrote: »

RobTheAxe wrote: »

I used the Armor ov the Black Rose instead of a crafted set once I hit 160!

Being Purple quality and already Enchanted was a huge plus for me as a newer player

If I had Agility jewelry - and I plan on acquiring my own rather than trading for it (probably next patch, but new sets to consider then as well) - I feel my power would have been even greater! Maybe for next time!

I did not have enough traits to craft Morkuldin but I have seen very good players using that one!

Some ov the strongest players I have encountered were Magicka sorcerers!

Check out my Black Rose in action in the last video I posted!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJsP51fhBH4

Please tell me this video wasn't serious? Most of the players were pretty much non existant in CP level.... music was as cheesey as this set is.... and you pretty much clearly displayed how a player with little skill can be somewhat successful in meta gear :') like you are aware that vigor is a heal over time right? And that casting ability again 1 second into abilities duration does nothing more than reapply the healing effect of the ability. You literally casted vigor 4 times in a row at one point. Cast it once and then reapply towards end of abilties duration.... not 1 second in lol. Pretty much proved original posters point.

Yikes. Bash the random new player who honestly wants to contribute to the community and discussion. Why don't you just call him bad and ask to "1v1 me, bro?" ...Really?

@RobTheAxe , cool video. That's my favorite thing about the tel var sets atm too. Drop 25k stones and get a full 5 piece in purple quality with all impen traits. No need to screw around with RNG. Pretty good deal.

Concerning the OP: I made it through almost all the posts here and it's seems like people aren't really getting what the OP is saying. Black Rose is not OP. Heavy Armor is not OP.
Stamina DPS builds running Black Rose for it's insane sustainability while taking a very small hit to damage is OP. It's clear that many of you posting have not run into one of these players in actual combat and are trying to judge this issue on paper alone. Trust me, Black Rose run in the above manner is very strong, imo.

That's just nonsense.

HA should provide no more than 8% to 15% (max) resistance than medium. It WILL provides less stamina than medium.

No "pro" player will have any difficulty dealin with a set that provides only resource return.

NB should be hitting for 6 to 8k SA on any heavy wearer and 12k incap strikes. Templar should have RD hitting around that same zone. WB should be landing for 8k minimum. Same with leap (but DKs can have a 12k + heavy attack)

If you're opponents are DPS and NOT reaching these numbers, they are not top tier. If you are a pure dps and not hitting this numbers, you are not Top Tier.

Top Tier laughs at the idea of 4 seconds passing and an opponent not dead or dying.

No dps build worth its salt is running black rose for burst.

If you're top tier, and stam you know exactly what sets provide 20k+ burst, and it ain't black rose.

... :')

the problem with your analysis is that most of that "regain" is from heavy armor passive NOT black rose.

although i would be fine if they made one stamina into magica and had it buff spell/weapon damage so its usable for magica builds too, and only slightly worse for stamina builds.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Just removing wraith and making it so constitution doesn't give mag and stamina back, only 1 whichever is your higher amount would make it better.

Problem with most of the tanky damage builds is that constitution allows them to run 0 sustain. They rely on the magicka back to use skills such as dark deal or igneous to gain stamina back.

You must get killed alot by heavy builds to have acrued the level of Salt you have towards them.

With that being said I agree with some points you and others have made regarding heavy armor.

I agree with you 100% about wrath being removed. I'd sub it for the old bracing passive in a heart beat. Tanks should be able to block. Pure and simple. Not put out extra damage on top of the sets they are wearing.

As far as resource management goes heavy does not out perform medium and light. Strictly my opinion.

While constitution is fine (in my opinion), heavy attack weaving give incredible resources back. My resto can return 6k magicka with a heavy attack. That is a difference maker, but how often in pvp do you actually get the chance to heavy attack?

As a full time heavy armor user since console launch, I'd prefer to boost the mitigation and lower the damage of heavy builds.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Problem with most of the tanky damage builds is that constitution allows them to run 0 sustain. They rely on the magicka back to use skills such as dark deal or igneous to gain stamina back.

Doesnt really sound like a problem. More like a feature