Definitely needs to be single target to compete with direct damage stamina ults. Yes, there are magicka class ults but they are almost all dot based. The only really hard hitting one is meteor.

Destro ultimate needs to be a lot cheaper (like 150) and be single target damage with morphs adding additional effects.

Soul assault low cost single target ultimate
Meteor expensive all around ultimate
Bats expensive melee ultimate

Other than snares we don't really get any ultimates that debuff. That's what I wanted an ultimate that causes havoc more than just dps.

I was hoping that this would be something similiar to dawnbreaker. Magicka really suffered from the loss of Dawnbreaker. They really should have left Dawnbreaker of Smiting as a Magicka morph and Flawless Dawnbreaker as a stamina morph. It makes so much more sense this way.

Anyway, I hope we see reasonable buffs to Elemental Storm. I would expect a significant cost reduction and a meaningfull damage increase to make it just as desireable as the other damage ults. And it actually should deal more damage, as it offers no CC or debuffs. The base cost should definately not surpass 150 ult for what it does right now.

I think a cost reduction is in order and the morph heat places the storm on you in actually very nice echoing a poster from above.

I think it's a little late in the developmental process to change whatever though they had for the ultimate but a cost reduction should be easily manageable.

Yea, atleast one of the morphs should be something cool for singletarget burst. I just knew destro ults would be what it is on pts now, lackluster.

I actually like the idea of a big range ultimate that applies status effects to all targets. Just keep in mind that using a shock WoE on targets with shock status effect will increase the damage all stam builds do against this target. So you would get some group synergies that encourage people to take different builds into their group.
However I'd say currently the skill costs are to high. The skill is very similar to nova or to some extend negate in terms of cost, duration and damage, but the secondary effects on the class ultimates are just so much stronger.

Keep the aoe ulti, but lower the cost to 150.

Put the stick down, it has no heal and it can't execute.........it's just a nice bit of carved wood with some flashes and bangs.

Derra wrote: »

Apherius wrote: »

lucky_Sage wrote: »

who think the destroy ult should be changes from a aoe ult
I think magicka has to many aoe ults

yes, talk to my sorcerer , we have the badest aoe of the game ... yeah ...

I main a magica sorc and i don´t see any reason to use the destro staff ulti in its curret form ever.

Negate is better for everything but strict max dps. Meteor is better for max dps. If you want an pbaoe effect batswarm is better.

What exactly do you want to use the ulti for when you have three aoe alternatives all of which are better than the destro staff one - care to explain @Apherius ?

In theory zerg busting, I don't know how effective it would really be, but Destro ult has much larger radius than Ice Comet and bats while being able to cast on self. So my thought is 2-3 NB's with Ice Staff's, Wearing something like(winterborn+skoria), Proxy Det>Destro Ult>Immovable pot>gap close>Unstable Wall>Mist.

I honestly think that as bad as the destro ultimate is overall, that it could be quite useful in a setup like that. Basically trying to take advantage of a self cast ult that can proc winterborn and skoria and has a very large radius.

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Apherius wrote: »

lucky_Sage wrote: »

who think the destroy ult should be changes from a aoe ult
I think magicka has to many aoe ults

yes, talk to my sorcerer , we have the badest aoe of the game ... yeah ...

I main a magica sorc and i don´t see any reason to use the destro staff ulti in its curret form ever.

Negate is better for everything but strict max dps. Meteor is better for max dps. If you want an pbaoe effect batswarm is better.

What exactly do you want to use the ulti for when you have three aoe alternatives all of which are better than the destro staff one - care to explain @Apherius ?

In theory zerg busting, I don't know how effective it would really be, but Destro ult has much larger radius than Ice Comet and bats while being able to cast on self. So my thought is 2-3 NB's with Ice Staff's, Wearing something like(winterborn+skoria), Proxy Det>Destro Ult>Immovable pot>gap close>Unstable Wall>Mist.

I honestly think that as bad as the destro ultimate is overall, that it could be quite useful in a setup like that. Basically trying to take advantage of a self cast ult that can proc winterborn and skoria and has a very large radius.

Okay ! It requires 3 players to make any use of it ? While simply using batswarm or meteor on your own would result in a deadlier effect than that No, just no. Please don't try to sell us trash as gold.

Even the worst theorycrafters must obey to this ultimate and exclude it from their thoughts

Dracane wrote: »

I was hoping that this would be something similiar to dawnbreaker. Magicka really suffered from the loss of Dawnbreaker. They really should have left Dawnbreaker of Smiting as a Magicka morph and Flawless Dawnbreaker as a stamina morph. It makes so much more sense this way.

Anyway, I hope we see reasonable buffs to Elemental Storm. I would expect a significant cost reduction and a meaningfull damage increase to make it just as desireable as the other damage ults. And it actually should deal more damage, as it offers no CC or debuffs. The base cost should definately not surpass 150 ult for what it does right now.

Agreed. I'm even willing to give stamina a physical damage morph of Meteor just to get a magic Dawnbreaker back.

Dracane wrote: »

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Apherius wrote: »

lucky_Sage wrote: »

who think the destroy ult should be changes from a aoe ult
I think magicka has to many aoe ults

yes, talk to my sorcerer , we have the badest aoe of the game ... yeah ...

I main a magica sorc and i don´t see any reason to use the destro staff ulti in its curret form ever.

Negate is better for everything but strict max dps. Meteor is better for max dps. If you want an pbaoe effect batswarm is better.

What exactly do you want to use the ulti for when you have three aoe alternatives all of which are better than the destro staff one - care to explain @Apherius ?

In theory zerg busting, I don't know how effective it would really be, but Destro ult has much larger radius than Ice Comet and bats while being able to cast on self. So my thought is 2-3 NB's with Ice Staff's, Wearing something like(winterborn+skoria), Proxy Det>Destro Ult>Immovable pot>gap close>Unstable Wall>Mist.

I honestly think that as bad as the destro ultimate is overall, that it could be quite useful in a setup like that. Basically trying to take advantage of a self cast ult that can proc winterborn and skoria and has a very large radius.

Okay ! It requires 3 players to make any use of it ? While simply using batswarm or meteor on your own would result in a deadlier effect than that No, just no. Please don't try to sell us trash as gold.

Even the worst theorycrafters must obey to this ultimate and exclude it from their thoughts

I didn't ever claim it was a good ultimate, or that it was gold. I offered a possible use for it that is all, if all you want is a pity party stop pretending to want an honest discussion. And no using Batswarm or meteor on your own would not result in a deadlier effect, that is just ridiculous.

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Apherius wrote: »

lucky_Sage wrote: »

who think the destroy ult should be changes from a aoe ult
I think magicka has to many aoe ults

yes, talk to my sorcerer , we have the badest aoe of the game ... yeah ...

I main a magica sorc and i don´t see any reason to use the destro staff ulti in its curret form ever.

Negate is better for everything but strict max dps. Meteor is better for max dps. If you want an pbaoe effect batswarm is better.

What exactly do you want to use the ulti for when you have three aoe alternatives all of which are better than the destro staff one - care to explain @Apherius ?

At no point in your statement did you ask explicitly for Sorc use. I can see how on a Sorc this ult would seem less than worthwhile, that doesn't mean it is completely useless for everyone. It is not a good ultimate no doubt, but I could see it being very useful in certain very specific builds.

Which one?
DK: Banner
NB: Soultether
Templar: Nova

all classes have an AoE-ulti which does good DPS (maybe even more than this destro-ult), sometimes costs less and has powerfull secondary effects. So who is going to use this destro-ulti in your opinion?

An AOE ult is fine by me but not as the CORE of the ult purpose - because we have plenty and that is boring.

My suggestion in the official thread was to turn it into a magica reset/refresh.

MAIN POWER:
On activation (including build) restore 5% max mag per second.
return all damage done as magica.

EYE of Storm: keep as is since the mibility helps you get more damage and more magica. Also the 2sec build for it helps instead of hurts as its a "out of combat" start up.

OTHER MORPH: Add When slotted reduce all magica costs by 2% (raise to 5% by rank 4.)

So with destro staff equipped go in burn thru magica liike no tomorrow with high power spells - then use its ult (which does OK ult damage) to significantly refuel and do it again.

Not intended to directly raise damage like a max magica bonus would but to enable longer high yield high cost combat.