Play the Way You Want

Asardes · September 2016

I'm not talkint about veteran Maw of Lorkaj or something like that. Some people can't even kill the mobs in normal Fungal Grotto or Wayrest Sewers, yet they tick the DD icon and queue in tool. #NonMetaBuildsMatter

idk · September 2016

nordsavage wrote: »

Wrong. If you do not learn tactics and rotations that already work, equip best in slot items and sets and streamline your build for maximum effect then you are not going to be successful in this game. Play your way is dead. Telling people that it is ok to run around with a heavy armor, hybrid mag/stam with a caster/bow dps etc. is only going to hurt them. Once they get beyond chugging around the maps and getting into real content not being optimized is just going to leave them lacking and their teammates hurting. This will prevent them from entering the upper echelons of the game which believe me is where the real end game and true rewards are. This is not a traditional TES. There are too many resources to become a better player. So once you are done doing these quest that have been nerfed so bad you could box naked through them you need to get your head in the game and get serious or be excluded due to your own inadequacies.

@nordsavage

I am sorry to inform you but many in this game okay as they want. Many do not even try to gear BiS nor concern themselves with the best skills to us.

I know some of these players and they seem to be enjoying the game just fine. They just don't do all that well in a trial. Then again, trials are not the only thing in the game.

Nothing is wrong with a player who isn't interesting in pulling 40k dps.

QuebraRegra · September 2016

Pallio wrote: »

Play as you want - solo. If you group with other know your role and play it effectively, don't be a snowflake and waste other people's time with an ineffective build.

This is exactly why "play as you want" is a myth. Play the max meta of the moment of get kicked. there hasn't been play as you want since softcaps.

UltimaJoe777 · September 2016

QuebraRegra wrote: »

Pallio wrote: »

Play as you want - solo. If you group with other know your role and play it effectively, don't be a snowflake and waste other people's time with an ineffective build.

This is exactly why "play as you want" is a myth. Play the max meta of the moment of get kicked. there hasn't been play as you want since softcaps.

And I haven't been kicked not once for playing my way as a non-meta. You just roll with a stiff crowd. I know my skill level is not much consolation to this but still...

Brrrofski · September 2016

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

Wrong. If you do not learn tactics and rotations that already work, equip best in slot items and sets and streamline your build for maximum effect then you are not going to be successful in this game. Play your way is dead. Telling people that it is ok to run around with a heavy armor, hybrid mag/stam with a caster/bow dps etc. is only going to hurt them. Once they get beyond chugging around the maps and getting into real content not being optimized is just going to leave them lacking and their teammates hurting. This will prevent them from entering the upper echelons of the game which believe me is where the real end game and true rewards are. This is not a traditional TES. There are too many resources to become a better player. So once you are done doing these quest that have been nerfed so bad you could box naked through them you need to get your head in the game and get serious or be excluded due to your own inadequacies.

It is you who is wrong. I play my way and it works just fine thank you very much.

I am seeing a lot of elitist cancer in this thread. Get over yourselves, seriously. You do your thing, we'll do ours. Don't like it? Tough. Deal with it, because we have to deal with you just the same.

Which is fine by me.

As long as I don't have to do hard content without you compromising something to help.

Daemons_Bane · September 2016

Brrrofski wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

Wrong. If you do not learn tactics and rotations that already work, equip best in slot items and sets and streamline your build for maximum effect then you are not going to be successful in this game. Play your way is dead. Telling people that it is ok to run around with a heavy armor, hybrid mag/stam with a caster/bow dps etc. is only going to hurt them. Once they get beyond chugging around the maps and getting into real content not being optimized is just going to leave them lacking and their teammates hurting. This will prevent them from entering the upper echelons of the game which believe me is where the real end game and true rewards are. This is not a traditional TES. There are too many resources to become a better player. So once you are done doing these quest that have been nerfed so bad you could box naked through them you need to get your head in the game and get serious or be excluded due to your own inadequacies.

It is you who is wrong. I play my way and it works just fine thank you very much.

I am seeing a lot of elitist cancer in this thread. Get over yourselves, seriously. You do your thing, we'll do ours. Don't like it? Tough. Deal with it, because we have to deal with you just the same.

Which is fine by me.

As long as I don't have to do hard content without you compromising something to help.

Unless you are the host, deal with it or leave.. Not everything needs to be minmaxed or done in the shortest time possible

UltimaJoe777 · September 2016

Brrrofski wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

Wrong. If you do not learn tactics and rotations that already work, equip best in slot items and sets and streamline your build for maximum effect then you are not going to be successful in this game. Play your way is dead. Telling people that it is ok to run around with a heavy armor, hybrid mag/stam with a caster/bow dps etc. is only going to hurt them. Once they get beyond chugging around the maps and getting into real content not being optimized is just going to leave them lacking and their teammates hurting. This will prevent them from entering the upper echelons of the game which believe me is where the real end game and true rewards are. This is not a traditional TES. There are too many resources to become a better player. So once you are done doing these quest that have been nerfed so bad you could box naked through them you need to get your head in the game and get serious or be excluded due to your own inadequacies.

It is you who is wrong. I play my way and it works just fine thank you very much.

I am seeing a lot of elitist cancer in this thread. Get over yourselves, seriously. You do your thing, we'll do ours. Don't like it? Tough. Deal with it, because we have to deal with you just the same.

Which is fine by me.

As long as I don't have to do hard content without you compromising something to help.

See that's the thing: not everyone playing how they want and not following the meta in every minute detail is incapable of doing hard content competently. The elitism here is basically that which shuns good builds that don't min/max but still do fine, which is bull.

Jeremy · September 2016

wolfninja101b14_ESO wrote: »

I've seen a lot of posts and whatnot about trying to be the ideal player on ESO, whether it be in PVE or PVP. Whether it be the best build for PVP or how to properly heal/dps/tank, it can be a bit to take in for anyone, and it may leave some people feeling inadequate about how they play. Please, don't feel like that. ESO is an expansive game that lets you play in all sorts of styles. If you prefer PVP, fine! If you like PVE, roleplaying, questing, and more, enjoy it! If you feel lost and are unsure on what to do in the game, don't be afraid to ask! There may be a few sour apples in ESO, but they are vastly outnumbered by kind and friendly people. Don't let others and how they play dictate your play style. Enjoy ESO how you want!

I agree. Up to a point.

If you are going to queue up and do group content then I believe you should prioritize your role adequately enough to get the job done. In other words: don't show up as a tank wielding a destruction staff and spamming lightning. That I don't much care for. But so long as you prioritize your role I agree with you, players should be left alone to accomplish that role using what ever skills and strategies they find the most enjoyable. Because that's what video games are for - to have fun (and not to be the highest on some silly parse). Just make sure your fun isn't ruining the fun of other players. That's all that I ask.

SolarCat02 · September 2016

I main a Dragonknight healer, so I am quite comfortable playing as I want.

Of course, I also do make sure my characters are capable of performing their roles, and well at that, so they're not just RP characters.

If someone wants to run a normal dungeon with their RP bow/staff build, I could care less, as long as they are putting in a good effort to fulfill the role they queued for, or give me a warning or something.
I don't mind carrying people if everyone is having fun. I won't carry you through Veteran Maw or anything, but that's more a can't than a won't.

My guild has a lovely collection of highly competent people, and others who are just having fun. We have one person you always ask "Have you repaired your armor recently?" and quite a few newer players learning how to play their characters and still working through all the newbie mistakes. We had a dps everyone thought was a tank for the first four months because of his build and playstyle (he did make a good tank). Heck, one of the guys in the guild loves to brag about his "stamina healer" and I will run veteran dungeons with him anytime because he knows his weaknesses and plays to his strengths.

Not everyone is elitist.

AzraelKrieg · September 2016

I hate the meta and actually refuse to craft gear that pertains to it if everyone is going to request I make it. As I think the only full 9-trait crafter in my guild I get a lot of requests for TBS lately. But I've made an effective DPS build on my stamplar hearing heavy armour so the meta can shove off into Oblivion for all I care. In saying that though, I'm properly geared for what I intended to use my stamplar for. I've kicked someone from a group during a vet dungeon because they queued as a tank wearing medium armour and using a 2h and a destro staff.

Ch4mpTW · September 2016

While I agree that players should be able to play how they want, I hate to say it but — you're going to have a very rough and troubling time ahead of you with this logic. At least if you're attempting to do things like veteran difficulty trials, and attempt things like the dreaded Maelstrom Arena on veteran difficulty.

Not just that, but people will depend on you to fulfil your given role to the fullest. For example, if you're a healer — why would you should up in a heavy armor Khajiit. And drestruction staff and bow. You see what I'm saying?

And for the record, yes. I've met quite a few people through the group finder who came in meeting that example or worse. Like an all light armor tank, who was an Argonian Nightblade.

ArchMikem · September 2016

Bryanonymous wrote: »

Play the cookie cutter meta you want.

I play the squishy glass cannon that loses every stand up fight build.

Vangy · September 2016

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

Pallio wrote: »

Play as you want - solo. If you group with other know your role and play it effectively, don't be a snowflake and waste other people's time with an ineffective build.

Make me.. That was the easiest way to say it.. I play WHAT I like, HOW I like it.. If I, MYSELF, decide it's bad, I will change it.. You have no right to decide what's good in my world..

I Guess that's what vote to kick is for =X

Synfaer · September 2016

Some of the best dungeon fun I've had have been with non optimal groups....some of the worst times too. The better experiences generally involve positive communication to overcome the groups deficiencies.

So yes, play as you want, but if your in a team situation...be a team player.

Daemons_Bane · September 2016

Vangy wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

Pallio wrote: »

Play as you want - solo. If you group with other know your role and play it effectively, don't be a snowflake and waste other people's time with an ineffective build.

Make me.. That was the easiest way to say it.. I play WHAT I like, HOW I like it.. If I, MYSELF, decide it's bad, I will change it.. You have no right to decide what's good in my world..

I Guess that's what vote to kick is for =X

Maybe, but it has never been used

scorpiodog · September 2016

The funniest are people who say "You have to be super optimized for the group" but still complain about the grouping tool.

I haven't used the grouping tool since level 15, for pete's sake. There are so many things going on in my guilds I can always join a group when I want, and I don't even have dedicated PvE armor yet, lol. No tri-pots either (blasphemy!).

Although, I might join a low level zone chat pickup group on an alt just for sits and giggles, but I know they're going to get wiped gong into it and it'll be like keystone cops. Cluster forming - count me in :-) But heck, I got 200 Petty Soul Gems I don't know what to do with, so I'll res them as many times as they die, lol. It can be fun, if I'm in the right mood

Play as you want - someone will play with you, unless you're a jerk ...

MattT1988 · September 2016

Solo yes absolutely, play however the hell you want. When it comes to dungeons, you still have a lot of freedom to do what you want, you definitely don't need to run the Meta to be able to do your role. For example there are many different set gears, setups and styles of play for tanks, odds are that if your keen on that role you'll find a setup you'll enjoy even if it isn't the meta. There's enough flexibility in this game that you don't need the best of the best to be an effective member of a dungeon team. But, there is one golden rule to keep in mind, make sure your setup can actually do the role your assigned, if your ignoring this rule it isn't fair on the people that your grouped with, especially if it's a random group.

So to sum up, yes play anyway you like, but when your doing group content, keep your teammates in mind who are relying on you to do the role you chose to queue into the dungeon as.

PVP, yeah do whatever you want, but don't go crying for nerfs if you keep getting annihilated by guys running better stuff then you.

Asardes · September 2016

Please rename the topic to: "Play the way we wipe"

alpehans · September 2016

I hate that sentence, it's so misleading. Is it true for lot of the content ...... sure. But far from all of it.
Nothing but a cheap sales pitch.

I would rather say . Find a playstyle that suits you and is viable. Try different things to learn and improve etc etc ...
But ofc. that dosen't sound as slick

Asardes · September 2016

I'm not criticizing people that "don't follow the meta exactly" but people that make no sense of their game play, gear selection and skill use. After months of PuG-ing I've concluded that most of them don't even bother reading the tool tips from their skills, and distribute attribute and skill points at random when they level. When you see that heavy armor Templar DD alternating between radiant destruction and wrecking blow in a veteran dungeon and barely chipping the health bar on that trash mob, you know you'll have a bad time. And I'm talking about VR9 player spotted in vet Wayrest Sewers just before vet ranks were deleted so people who have put a few dozen hours in the game but haven't learned how to play. You can't go about randomly spreading skill and attribute points and mashing the buttons in random order, then whine you can't finish that content or you were kicked from the group by those "A-holes".

Luigi_Vampa · September 2016

alpehans wrote: »

I hate that sentence, it's so misleading. Is it true for lot of the content ...... sure. But far from all of it.
Nothing but a cheap sales pitch.

I would rather say . Find a playstyle that suits you and is viable. Try different things to learn and improve etc etc ...
But ofc. that dosen't sound as slick

It isn't that misleading. Compared to other MMOs you really can play the way you want. On any class you can heal, tank, melee dps, range dps, run around with a bow, shoot spells out of a staff. You can wear any armor you want. Most MMOs only let certain classes do any of those things. ESO classes are better suited to certain roles, but you can do whatever. For most of the questing in this game you really can play however you want. The problem is when people think they can do endgame with other players and not care about how well they fill their role. You can play the way you want, that doesn't mean your playstyle is going to be the best. That doesn't make play the way you want any less true however.

FrostFallFox · September 2016

As long as I don't have to put you in the back pack

Bryanonymous · September 2016

I would like to be a spell damage sorcerer who does not need to use pets or spam dots and aoes. Is that possible? XD

FloppyTouch · September 2016

Omg just reminded me of our healer we had that would go werewolf during boss fights to help dps ugh. Play the way u want all you want in fact I love out of the box builds just don't come to a dungeon and waist our time.

Asardes · September 2016

Spamming DoTs is foolish regardless of class & build. Only a noob can make such mistakes. if the tooltip says "lasts for X seconds" it means you should only refresh it after that time. Stacking them and bursting while they are is the way to go of course. So that sorcerer can debuff with elemental drain and pulsar, put down elemental blockade, liquid lightning and velocious course then blast the target with force pulse and light attacks in between for extra damage and ult generation.

Pets are a real hindrance in PvE group content. They tend to draw mobs away from kill zone, die easily and visually block certain mechanics. At low levels are OK if you haven't unlocked other skills but I've never seen any endgame sorcerers using them.

Bryanonymous · September 2016

I think you misinterpreted the intention of my use of the word 'spamming'. I didn't mean every second, I meant every time they run out. Still feels like spamming even if it's every 10 seconds, when you have a few dots to maintain. I just want to buff myself and hit them hard with some direct damage hits, and not have to count seconds in between casts. Why do players think that using the same button combinations repetitively is in some way strategic? Real strategy is when you need to adapt to your environment and choose what is appropriate for a specific scenario, not stand in place tapping a,b,a,b,c,a,b every time you fight.

Junipus · September 2016

There's a big difference between "play the way you want" and playing the way that's most effective. Plenty of people think that they are one and the same or that you need to play using the newest meta to be able to do anything, but that's not always the case.

There's nothing wrong with turning up to dungeons in light armour and tanking, or doing your dps with a resto staff and sword and shield, but don't be surprised if the content suddenly appears too difficult or you have a really hard time completing it. You're playing the way that you want but it's not the most effective way to do your role.

You can do normal level trials and vet dungeons without using the current meta providing you're properly geared in the right armour type and using the correct weapons, but it's more effective using a build that includes some of the meta elements.

If you don't want to improve on your build or your dps and remain playing how you want then that's your perogative, but realise that it's not the most effective way of playing and other people are well within their rights to kick or drop you from groups, raids or even guilds.

Meta builders and min-maxers might be up themselves and seemingly assholish, but at the same time everyone needs to realise that if they're not running a similar build or want to change that they shouldn't feel entitled to run end game content with those same min-maxers.

I feel that should be a compromise that satisfies no-one.

Bryanonymous · September 2016

Actually, 'play the way you want' is implying that no matter what you choose, there will be a balance. That's simply a lie, and probably not even possible given the diversity of each ability.

Asardes · September 2016

There are add-ons that put timers on screen for all your abilities and allow you to recast them in an efficient way. Most DDs use them. And there are plenty of rotations and skill combinations that are used for different scenarios, and even different bosses. Endgame you will probably need an add-on that allows you to change abilities on bars fast, and even change the gear between fights. The vanilla game simply won't cut it if you want performance.

Bryanonymous · September 2016

Asardes wrote: »

There are add-ons that put timers on screen for all your abilities and allow you to recast them in an efficient way. Most DDs use them. And there are plenty of rotations and skill combinations that are used for different scenarios, and even different bosses. Endgame you will probably need an add-on that allows you to change abilities on bars fast, and even change the gear between fights. The vanilla game simply won't cut it if you want performance.

I use them. FYI, they don't work during group dungeon bosses. Also, can you be more specific about which abilities can be used to reach high DPS as magic sorcerer that does not involve pets or using dots?