With Update 12, how will high level crafters be able to farm low level mats?

UltimaJoe777 · September 2016

altemriel wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Holycannoli wrote: »

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/289225/so-they-did-it-they-screwed-up-crafting-material-collecting/p1

It's a problem yes. For some reason not everyone thinks so though.

SantieClaws wrote: »

Hmm.

One possible solution might be to add crafting mats randomly and occasionally to loot drops?

Just at a level where there is enough in the world to craft armour and weapons for those that need them but not so much that Tamriel becomes saturated with iron ore or it has a bad impact on other things that could be dropped yes.

Alternatively perhaps there could be a box - like provisioning ingredients have the barrels yes - and a random crafting mat could be looted from those perhaps? This one she knows already there are the heavy sacks but they are not so much a common find.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

The best solution is to simply keep all resources as they are. No need to scale them. Has anyone ever complained about the current resource distribution? You need a certain resource, you go to one of the zones that contain it. Simple and functional. Why change it?

Iron ore will be completely saturated since everyone will find 50% of the nodes as their battle level and 50% as their crafting level. That means every non-blacksmith will find iron ore 50% of the time. Same with jute.

It's just so dumb that most resources will be forever locked out as we level our crafters. They will never be able to find them again, ever. So dumb.

Far as I'm concerned battle-leveling the entire game is a problem, but they want everyone to be able to go anywhere anytime so now we're stuck with it happening, and everything that comes with it...

well they can battle level the players, I am totally ok with that, even I like that idea, but exclude the material nodes out of it!!

or at least the starter zones should stay as they are now!!

Well there are complications with battle-leveling every zone whilst keeping the mats the same as they are now. The closest way to make it so we can find mats of all levels always is to make certain nodes be only that mat, but that would reduce the quantity of nodes to farm and thus could lead to greedy players...

snakester320 · September 2016

IwakuraLain42 wrote: »

There is a supposed solution to this coming with Update 12, albeit a flawed one in my opinion: when doing writs you can get, instead of the farming map, a delivery of 25 random lowlevel mats. While a passable idea, 25 mats are a bit low,

be allright if you get 25 alloys or waxes so you can sell them to buy the lowbie mats off the traders watch the economy get even more out of control lowbie mats will sky rocket forcing rmt back into the game!!

Therwind · September 2016

It seems to me that this is a scam to buy more character slots. If you have no room to create a lowbie to farm, well.... Yeah...

IwakuraLain42 · September 2016

snakester320 wrote: »

IwakuraLain42 wrote: »

There is a supposed solution to this coming with Update 12, albeit a flawed one in my opinion: when doing writs you can get, instead of the farming map, a delivery of 25 random lowlevel mats. While a passable idea, 25 mats are a bit low,

be allright if you get 25 alloys or waxes so you can sell them to buy the lowbie mats off the traders watch the economy get even more out of control lowbie mats will sky rocket forcing rmt back into the game!!

Misunderstanding, you get 25 refined mats, no chance for getting tempers/resins/etc from that.

twev · September 2016

altemriel wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

Im sure as hell not going to reset all my skills/morphs just to farm low level mats. All my alts are maxed for farming. This hinders the community and helping out lower level new players.

I also am max or min in the field of crafting, but technically the ones we craft for still have access to the mats they need...

well yes, it would be like:

high level crafter: "You want the armor of your low level? Get me the mats".
low level newbie: "Uh, but I do not like grinding, could I just give you gold for the mats?"
high level crafter: "Sorry mate, not possible..."
**low level newbie stays with his dropped armor and is sad that he has to grind now...

this is really bad ZOS!!! Please change this before Update 12 hits the Live Servers!!

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert

We have to give everything to the low levels who can't be bothered to play the game for the sake of just playing the game?

Instead of the 'non-grinding' low level whining about not being able to give the high level the gold to buy the mats, hows about the low level take the initiative and buy the mats himself?

altemriel · September 2016

Sharee wrote: »

altemriel wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

Im sure as hell not going to reset all my skills/morphs just to farm low level mats. All my alts are maxed for farming. This hinders the community and helping out lower level new players.

I also am max or min in the field of crafting, but technically the ones we craft for still have access to the mats they need...

well yes, it would be like:

high level crafter: "You want the armor of your low level? Get me the mats".
low level newbie: "Uh, but I do not like grinding, could I just give you gold for the mats?"
high level crafter: "Sorry mate, not possible..."
**low level newbie stays with his dropped armor and is sad that he has to grind now...

Grinding? I think that's overreacting. Low level armor takes so few resources that a total newbie will be able to get enough raw materials on the starter island in about 10 minutes, and that includes the time it will take for you to explain what an iron node looks like. If even that is too much for him, he can just play/quest normally and pick the nodes as he happens to stumble upon them, then it might take an hour, tops.

And, this teaches the newbie the value of resources, which is a good thing for him.

well that applies maybe to total low level armors (level 0 to 50), but what about lets say cp10 armors or cp100 armors?

snakester320 · September 2016

IwakuraLain42 wrote: »

snakester320 wrote: »

IwakuraLain42 wrote: »

There is a supposed solution to this coming with Update 12, albeit a flawed one in my opinion: when doing writs you can get, instead of the farming map, a delivery of 25 random lowlevel mats. While a passable idea, 25 mats are a bit low,

be allright if you get 25 alloys or waxes so you can sell them to buy the lowbie mats off the traders watch the economy get even more out of control lowbie mats will sky rocket forcing rmt back into the game!!

Misunderstanding, you get 25 refined mats, no chance for getting tempers/resins/etc from that.

of course there not going to give you anything worthwhile:)

altemriel · September 2016

twev wrote: »

altemriel wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

Im sure as hell not going to reset all my skills/morphs just to farm low level mats. All my alts are maxed for farming. This hinders the community and helping out lower level new players.

I also am max or min in the field of crafting, but technically the ones we craft for still have access to the mats they need...

well yes, it would be like:

high level crafter: "You want the armor of your low level? Get me the mats".
low level newbie: "Uh, but I do not like grinding, could I just give you gold for the mats?"
high level crafter: "Sorry mate, not possible..."
**low level newbie stays with his dropped armor and is sad that he has to grind now...

this is really bad ZOS!!! Please change this before Update 12 hits the Live Servers!!

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert

We have to give everything to the low levels who can't be bothered to play the game for the sake of just playing the game?

Instead of the 'non-grinding' low level whining about not being able to give the high level the gold to buy the mats, hows about the low level take the initiative and buy the mats himself?

Well noone asked for this change in the material level node scalling. I think it would be better to stay as it is now.

UltimaJoe777 · September 2016

Therwind wrote: »

It seems to me that this is a scam to buy more character slots. If you have no room to create a lowbie to farm, well.... Yeah...

Actually I bought all 4 when it first became possible, but not for crafting reasons lol

SantieClaws · September 2016

This one she thinks update 12 will contain a lot of 'lets see how this works and then make adjustments'.

When you change something like the collection of raw materials you then need to stand back and observe over a period of time the impact this has yes.

The behaviour of travellers and the economy sometimes cannot be predicted or tested.

Khajiit she thinks it will be a case of wait and see - then if there is an issue they may find new ways to introduce raw crafting materials into the world.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

Holycannoli · September 2016

Aletheion wrote: »

Last I checked, a stack of Ancestor Silk sold for a lot more then a stack of Jute.

I'm happy to farm the Ancestor Silk and sell it and buy stacks of Jute (or whatever). It's actually a decent way to get the gold to lower level players, or players who don't want to level crafting.

-Aletheion

Jute won't be a problem to find since every non-clothier will be finding it. But let's say you wanted cotton. Good luck.

Sharee · September 2016

altemriel wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

altemriel wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

Im sure as hell not going to reset all my skills/morphs just to farm low level mats. All my alts are maxed for farming. This hinders the community and helping out lower level new players.

I also am max or min in the field of crafting, but technically the ones we craft for still have access to the mats they need...

well yes, it would be like:

high level crafter: "You want the armor of your low level? Get me the mats".
low level newbie: "Uh, but I do not like grinding, could I just give you gold for the mats?"
high level crafter: "Sorry mate, not possible..."
**low level newbie stays with his dropped armor and is sad that he has to grind now...

Grinding? I think that's overreacting. Low level armor takes so few resources that a total newbie will be able to get enough raw materials on the starter island in about 10 minutes, and that includes the time it will take for you to explain what an iron node looks like. If even that is too much for him, he can just play/quest normally and pick the nodes as he happens to stumble upon them, then it might take an hour, tops.

And, this teaches the newbie the value of resources, which is a good thing for him.

well that applies maybe to total low level armors (level 0 to 50), but what about lets say cp10 armors or cp100 armors?

The material requirements stay more or less the same until you get to the CP160 stuff. Also, someone who is NOT a total newbie most likely has materials already gathered, if for no other reason than that they are a good source of income.

altemriel · September 2016

SantieClaws wrote: »

This one she thinks update 12 will contain a lot of 'lets see how this works and then make adjustments'.

When you change something like the collection of raw materials you then need to stand back and observe over a period of time the impact this has yes.

The behaviour of travellers and the economy sometimes cannot be predicted or tested.

Khajiit she thinks it will be a case of wait and see - then if there is an issue they may find new ways to introduce raw crafting materials into the world.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

hopefuly you are right

Taternater · September 2016

According to the patch notes in that link at the top of the forums, it says

All harvest nodes now scale to your combat level or applicable crafting passive rank

That looks like the nodes will act like current ones in the DLC areas. Given that, if a low level player wants armor, he can gather the materials himself since the battle leveled mats would be for his tier of gear. This would get around a high level crafter being unable to farm the right mats.

altemriel · September 2016

Taternater wrote: »

According to the patch notes in that link at the top of the forums, it says

All harvest nodes now scale to your combat level or applicable crafting passive rank

That looks like the nodes will act like current ones in the DLC areas. Given that, if a low level player wants armor, he can gather the materials himself since the battle leveled mats would be for his tier of gear. This would get around a high level crafter being unable to farm the right mats.

sorry, I am not an english native, could you please explain what you mean by this last sentence?

This would get around a high level crafter being unable to farm the right mats.

Asardes · September 2016

And it's not necessary to craft gear at every level. It's enough to wear whatever drops till level 14, then craft at levels 14, 24, 34, 44 which are the top levels for each material tier. As for CPs, they are earned very fast at the beginning and the tiers are actually very short. So your level 44 armor can still get you to CP 60 and that one to CP100 or even 160. While leveling my main I kept my VR3 (CP 30) gear till VR16. And did the daily silver and gold pledge in that too, even if enemies were scaled to VR16 by that time. The CP gain curve was steeper then, because the limit was only 501. For the alts I did not even bother to craft any training gear past level 44. Completed the main quest and mages and fighters guild skill lines, scaled by CP160 with the same gear and random skills on bar, basically using only heavy attacks.

TL:DR Crafting gear every other level is a waste of time and materials. Especially in update 12, when leveling will be much faster.

Taternater · September 2016

altemriel wrote: »

Taternater wrote: »

According to the patch notes in that link at the top of the forums, it says

All harvest nodes now scale to your combat level or applicable crafting passive rank

That looks like the nodes will act like current ones in the DLC areas. Given that, if a low level player wants armor, he can gather the materials himself since the battle leveled mats would be for his tier of gear. This would get around a high level crafter being unable to farm the right mats.

sorry, I am not an english native, could you please explain what you mean by this last sentence?

This would get around a high level crafter being unable to farm the right mats.

Oh, it would avoid the inability of a high level crafter to farm low level crafting materials if the low level player farms the materials himself since the nodes would have battle leveled mats. Battle leveled means the materials, or mats, would be his character level. If it functions like DLC areas then half the time the player would get mats for his level, and the other half it would be for his crafting level. If the low level player farms the mats for his level himself, the crafter won't have to.

altemriel · September 2016

Taternater wrote: »

altemriel wrote: »

Taternater wrote: »

According to the patch notes in that link at the top of the forums, it says

All harvest nodes now scale to your combat level or applicable crafting passive rank

That looks like the nodes will act like current ones in the DLC areas. Given that, if a low level player wants armor, he can gather the materials himself since the battle leveled mats would be for his tier of gear. This would get around a high level crafter being unable to farm the right mats.

sorry, I am not an english native, could you please explain what you mean by this last sentence?

This would get around a high level crafter being unable to farm the right mats.

Oh, it would avoid the inability of a high level crafter to farm low level crafting materials if the low level player farms the materials himself since the nodes would have battle leveled mats. Battle leveled means the materials, or mats, would be his character level. If it functions like DLC areas then half the time the player would get mats for his level, and the other half it would be for his crafting level. If the low level player farms the mats for his level himself, the crafter won't have to.

aha, now I undestand what you meant. ok, yes, I agree, but not everyone likes farming the mats. or not everyone knows which materials are needed for which level, if he does not want to be a crafter...

Taternater · September 2016

altemriel wrote: »

Taternater wrote: »

altemriel wrote: »

Taternater wrote: »

According to the patch notes in that link at the top of the forums, it says

All harvest nodes now scale to your combat level or applicable crafting passive rank

That looks like the nodes will act like current ones in the DLC areas. Given that, if a low level player wants armor, he can gather the materials himself since the battle leveled mats would be for his tier of gear. This would get around a high level crafter being unable to farm the right mats.

sorry, I am not an english native, could you please explain what you mean by this last sentence?

This would get around a high level crafter being unable to farm the right mats.

Oh, it would avoid the inability of a high level crafter to farm low level crafting materials if the low level player farms the materials himself since the nodes would have battle leveled mats. Battle leveled means the materials, or mats, would be his character level. If it functions like DLC areas then half the time the player would get mats for his level, and the other half it would be for his crafting level. If the low level player farms the mats for his level himself, the crafter won't have to.

aha, now I undestand what you meant. ok, yes, I agree, but not everyone likes farming the mats. or not everyone knows which materials are needed for which level, if he does not want to be a crafter...

The materials from the nodes are battle leveled so the mats for his level will be the mats currently from the nodes. If he really doesn't want to farm mats, then he can steal, launder, and decon gear to get the ingots fast. Stolen gear is also battle leveled, and laundered stolen gear gives a lot of mats.

Sharee · September 2016

altemriel wrote: »

Taternater wrote: »

altemriel wrote: »

Taternater wrote: »

According to the patch notes in that link at the top of the forums, it says

All harvest nodes now scale to your combat level or applicable crafting passive rank

That looks like the nodes will act like current ones in the DLC areas. Given that, if a low level player wants armor, he can gather the materials himself since the battle leveled mats would be for his tier of gear. This would get around a high level crafter being unable to farm the right mats.

sorry, I am not an english native, could you please explain what you mean by this last sentence?

This would get around a high level crafter being unable to farm the right mats.

Oh, it would avoid the inability of a high level crafter to farm low level crafting materials if the low level player farms the materials himself since the nodes would have battle leveled mats. Battle leveled means the materials, or mats, would be his character level. If it functions like DLC areas then half the time the player would get mats for his level, and the other half it would be for his crafting level. If the low level player farms the mats for his level himself, the crafter won't have to.

aha, now I undestand what you meant. ok, yes, I agree, but not everyone likes farming the mats. or not everyone knows which materials are needed for which level, if he does not want to be a crafter...

That one is easy. The materials he will find are exactly those that he will need for his current level.

(More exactly: half of the nodes he will find will scale to his level. The other half will be iron etc.)

DHale · September 2016

This was thoroughly covered in pax west. You will be fine. You may re watch the vids off Bethesda twicht channel.

Bhills · September 2016

Ok, I just thought of a fix for this.

Let us be able to downgrade higher mats for lower mats, either a decon system or a trade system.

altemriel · September 2016

Sharee wrote: »

altemriel wrote: »

Taternater wrote: »

altemriel wrote: »

Taternater wrote: »

According to the patch notes in that link at the top of the forums, it says

All harvest nodes now scale to your combat level or applicable crafting passive rank

That looks like the nodes will act like current ones in the DLC areas. Given that, if a low level player wants armor, he can gather the materials himself since the battle leveled mats would be for his tier of gear. This would get around a high level crafter being unable to farm the right mats.

sorry, I am not an english native, could you please explain what you mean by this last sentence?

This would get around a high level crafter being unable to farm the right mats.

Oh, it would avoid the inability of a high level crafter to farm low level crafting materials if the low level player farms the materials himself since the nodes would have battle leveled mats. Battle leveled means the materials, or mats, would be his character level. If it functions like DLC areas then half the time the player would get mats for his level, and the other half it would be for his crafting level. If the low level player farms the mats for his level himself, the crafter won't have to.

aha, now I undestand what you meant. ok, yes, I agree, but not everyone likes farming the mats. or not everyone knows which materials are needed for which level, if he does not want to be a crafter...

That one is easy. The materials he will find are exactly those that he will need for his current level.

(More exactly: half of the nodes he will find will scale to his level. The other half will be iron etc.)

yes, I know that, but I mean, when I was a low level, I had no clue about crafting or crafting materials, or node scalling, so I just sold everything that I found to get some gold....until maybe level 50 I had no idea about builds or item sets etc....so in case there will be people like that, that would still not help....

Asardes · September 2016

Stolen gear has always been "battle leveled" up to VR14/CP 140. The problem is that in recent updates deconstructing it only nets you just one base material. If you try to launder it and it's white - and most stolen gear is white quality - it will become 0 value and give 0 materials and experience. Dropped gear is a far more reliable source, as it gives up to 6 materials when it's deconstructed.

altemriel · September 2016

Bhills wrote: »

Ok, I just thought of a fix for this.

Let us be able to downgrade higher mats for lower mats, either a decon system or a trade system.

hmm, that would totaly not make any sense, as the materials come from different sources, so to create lets say cotton out of jute, would be total non-sense

altemriel · September 2016

DHale wrote: »

This was thoroughly covered in pax west. You will be fine. You may re watch the vids off Bethesda twicht channel.

where can i find that video pls?

Taternater · September 2016

Asardes wrote: »

Stolen gear has always been "battle leveled" up to VR14/CP 140. The problem is that in recent updates deconstructing it only nets you just one base material. If you try to launder it and it's white - and most stolen gear is white quality - it will become 0 value and give 0 materials and experience. Dropped gear is a far more reliable source, as it gives up to 6 materials when it's deconstructed.

Hmm, I got to 50 in clothing and smithing by deconning laundered stolen white gear. How recent was that change?

Bryanonymous · September 2016

One issue could come from having your craft level higher than your battle level, however quests and random pickups give a lot to decon, so I think this is more just about high level players wanting lower level mats. Perhaps a crafter might be worried about filling an order for a low level player, but realistically, just have that players give you the mats they collect, or buy them. Problem solved. I personally never need lower level mats, so I find this change coming to be very nice as the top level mats sell for a lot more.

DHale · September 2016

altemriel wrote: »

DHale wrote: »

This was thoroughly covered in pax west. You will be fine. You may re watch the vids off Bethesda twicht channel.

where can i find that video pls?

https://youtu.be/aUCUPkbI1gU

burglar · September 2016

They could keep the current tiers of mats for each alliance's respective zones the same, and have the player's crafting skill determine which materials they receive from nodes.

They could also just make it so any harvested node has a chance to drop a few random pieces of different tiered materials. Like, mine 3 rubedite ores and randomly get 1 iron ore too.

Although, I will say that mostly anyone who has a char at CP 160+ will not want or need lower level mats very often, if at all. Wait, I take that back; your crafting skill determines the level of materials you need for writs, doesn't it?