The destruction staff ultimate is terrible.

Drdeath20 · September 2016

luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Damn, not very creative... Just a weird mix of: more expensive swarm + less effective meteor.

Was expecting a low cost magic based attack with a high damage output or a debuff on target like: take aditional x% elemental damage from target or the like...

Yeah I was expecting something that had utility. Magic classes already have meteor, bats, soul assault.

SleepyTroll · September 2016

Hiero_Glyph wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

OGLezard wrote: »

42k damage over 4 seconds for the bow one..... meanwhile destro is laughed at....thanks @Wrobel also, @ZOS_GinaBruno please tell me that these are going to get tweaked and not forgotten during the pts.......they need some SERIOUS adjustments

The Bow ultimate is a copy of Soul Assault.

You can attack the target while you are channeling Soul Assault? In truth, while the damage may not be amazing, it is a huge unpurgeable DoT that you can apply while doing other things. Heck, you could recover and rebuff while maintaining pressure.

But yeah, let's just call it a copy of Soul Assault to keep it simple.

you can dodge it, you can cloak it and you can block it.

Hiero_Glyph · September 2016

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Hiero_Glyph wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

OGLezard wrote: »

42k damage over 4 seconds for the bow one..... meanwhile destro is laughed at....thanks @Wrobel also, @ZOS_GinaBruno please tell me that these are going to get tweaked and not forgotten during the pts.......they need some SERIOUS adjustments

The Bow ultimate is a copy of Soul Assault.

You can attack the target while you are channeling Soul Assault? In truth, while the damage may not be amazing, it is a huge unpurgeable DoT that you can apply while doing other things. Heck, you could recover and rebuff while maintaining pressure.

But yeah, let's just call it a copy of Soul Assault to keep it simple.

you can dodge it, you can cloak it and you can block it.

And you can do whatever you want while they spend their time doing those things. It is a well balanced ultimate, what do you want it to be?

Toc de Malsvi · September 2016

As a bow user I can guarantee you for almost all content I will still be using Shooting Star.

Shooting Star is AOE, I can keep shooting after launching it, it returns 12 ultimate per target hit, it knocks down all targets that can be knocked down, easily does 50k+ damage with DOT effect single target and does even more AOE.

The Channeled morph of the bow ultimate is a straight up DPS loss, unless you are only doing 10k damage per second to start with. The Turret morph has limited use in PVP, it is a channel so is likely easily interruptable, as a channel it should also be cloakable, and ends with LOS something that is not a problem with Shooting Star. It can be blocked and in PVP should only do 4-5k per second, and only to one target.

For single target damage in PVE with highly mobile bosses it would be an upgrade over Shooting Star, otherwise it is less useful than Shooting Star and does significantly less damage once 2 or more targets are in play.

Yes the damage is comparable with Soul Assault but has no slow effect to keep the target in range, and costs 75% more.

No the bow ultimate does not appear to be as weak as the destro ultimate but it is incredibly ignorant to try and claim it is by any means strong.

It's only real decent use would be in a 1v1 dual where you could time it with a stun.

SleepyTroll · September 2016

Hiero_Glyph wrote: »

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Hiero_Glyph wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

OGLezard wrote: »

42k damage over 4 seconds for the bow one..... meanwhile destro is laughed at....thanks @Wrobel also, @ZOS_GinaBruno please tell me that these are going to get tweaked and not forgotten during the pts.......they need some SERIOUS adjustments

The Bow ultimate is a copy of Soul Assault.

You can attack the target while you are channeling Soul Assault? In truth, while the damage may not be amazing, it is a huge unpurgeable DoT that you can apply while doing other things. Heck, you could recover and rebuff while maintaining pressure.

But yeah, let's just call it a copy of Soul Assault to keep it simple.

you can dodge it, you can cloak it and you can block it.

And you can do whatever you want while they spend their time doing those things. It is a well balanced ultimate, what do you want it to be?

ment to quote the guy below you sorry.,

Toc de Malsvi · September 2016

Don't worry if you Soul Assault someone and they interrupt, cloak, los you you only wasted 100 ult, not like you wasted 175 ult.

RebornV3x · September 2016

ZOS is too predictable I knew the destro ulti was going to be average or just plain bad compared to duel wield, 2 handed and bow ultimates I hate it when I'm right sometimes

MisterBigglesworth · September 2016

Van_0S · September 2016

Wait! What? Weapon ultimate????
Edit:
OK, found it.

http://deltiasgaming.com/2016/09/02/eso-weapon-ultimates/
Bows are now, best for templars.

NBrookus · September 2016

Minalan wrote: »

Yeah, I see no reason to play this patch as a magicka sorc or magicka DK. I'm staying gone.

Yeah, I think I'm done. Stick me with a fork already.

Cronopoly · September 2016

And to top it off, Lightning Destro Heavy has AOE removed except the final tick per @Dracane - smh. Apparently someone had to do this on purpose as a Nerf. What's worse is the damage was never high to begin with and killed no groups Ever, that's for sure.

So if they were worried about Stacking abilities, hold for it...That means they understand the concept??? Then Why does every Stamina strong set, CP, Armor , Monster set nicely stack with no nerfs lately, (Viper, Eternal, Melidreth) and Magicka gutted with useless abilities in PVP.

KenaPKK · September 2016

It's a PvE ult...

...that's worse than Meteor...

...but are we really surprised?

The dev team all plays stam because they made magicka suck too hard.

Destruent · September 2016

NBrookus wrote: »

On a sorc with ~44k mag and ~2900 spell damage, tooltip reads 4513 over 10 seconds for 213 ultimate. Nice, I guess, for PvE... because the boss isn't bright enough to walk out of it. Zero use in pvp. And no doubt it can be negated.
#balanced

lol....compare it to meteor:

instant damage:
meteor: yes
destro-ult: no

dot-damage
meteor >destro-ult

cost:
meteor: 200
destro-ult: 250

secondary-effect:
meteor: gain ult (up to 50% of original cost) depending on the number of enemys hit
destro-ult: none

In summary, Meteor costs less, does more dps and can be casted up to 2x more bc of the secondary effect. Why would you use the destro-ult?

juhasman · September 2016

Ok so quick math we have dual wield ulti that deals over 40k AoE physical DoT dmg and heals caster for 50% dmg done and cost 150 ulti - range 7x8 meters , and destro staff ulti that deals over 40k AoE elemental DoT dmg and cost 250 ulti radius 10 meters. What the......

Destruent · September 2016

juhasman wrote: »

Ok so quick math we have dual wield ulti that deals over 40k AoE physical DoT dmg and cost 150 ulti , and destro staff ulti that deals 40k AoE elemental DoT dmg and cost 250 ulti. What the......

not to mention, the DW-ult heals for 50% of the damage done

#balanced

Khaos_Bane · September 2016

What an insult @Wrobel WTF

juhasman · September 2016

Destruent wrote: »

juhasman wrote: »

Ok so quick math we have dual wield ulti that deals over 40k AoE physical DoT dmg and cost 150 ulti , and destro staff ulti that deals 40k AoE elemental DoT dmg and cost 250 ulti. What the......

not to mention, the DW-ult heals for 50% of the damage done

#balanced

Yes i edited it in the meantime. I need to quick check on PTS is this also gets buff from maelstorm dual wields same like dawnbreaker DoT.

Apherius · September 2016

Cronopoly wrote: »

And to top it off, Lightning Destro Heavy has AOE removed except the final tick per @Dracane - smh. Apparently someone had to do this on purpose as a Nerf. What's worse is the damage was never high to begin with and killed no groups Ever, that's for sure.

So if they were worried about Stacking abilities, hold for it...That means they understand the concept??? Then Why does every Stamina strong set, CP, Armor , Monster set nicely stack with no nerfs lately, (Viper, Eternal, Melidreth) and Magicka gutted with useless abilities in PVP.

you say me than ... i buy a lighting willpower staff for 125K for nothing ? ZENIMAX TURN ME THESE GOLD BACK .

juhasman · September 2016

OMFG Maelstorm dual wield increase DoT dmg of dual wield ulti on target that was damaged with rapid strikes what makes that ulti new must have for stamina users. # Ballanced.

Dracane · September 2016

juhasman wrote: »

OMFG Maelstorm dual wield increase DoT dmg of dual wield ulti on target that was damaged with rapid strikes what makes that ulti new must have for stamina users. # Ballanced.

Yea it does -.- But we expected that, since it's a dot.

juhasman · September 2016

Dracane wrote: »

juhasman wrote: »

OMFG Maelstorm dual wield increase DoT dmg of dual wield ulti on target that was damaged with rapid strikes what makes that ulti new must have for stamina users. # Ballanced.

Yea it does -.- But we expected that, since it's a dot.

Destro staff ulti is a DoT also

Dracane · September 2016

juhasman wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

juhasman wrote: »

OMFG Maelstorm dual wield increase DoT dmg of dual wield ulti on target that was damaged with rapid strikes what makes that ulti new must have for stamina users. # Ballanced.

Yea it does -.- But we expected that, since it's a dot.

Destro staff ulti is a DoT also

A weak one though

Maelstrom dagger wouldn't change much, especially since its uptime is non existing.

ArchMikem · September 2016

themdogesbite wrote: »

I would love to see them makeing the destruction staff ultimate a ranged AoE ultimate, something similar to residulent lightning from BDO.

https://youtu.be/-oJ__rPTzAo?t=28s

(The Skill casted at 28 Seconds.)

Oh my lord I WANT.

Ahzek · September 2016

Malestrom daggers never work on Lingering AoEs since they could always have someone else walking into them and thus negating the "single target" restriction from the daggers. AoEs with a DoT attached to them, like DB or the new DW ult however can get the dagger bonus, as long as they only hit one target.

juhasman · September 2016

Ahzek wrote: »

Malestrom daggers never work on Lingering AoEs since they could always have someone else walking into them and thus negating the "single target" restriction from the daggers. AoEs with a DoT attached to them, like DB or the new DW ult however can get the dagger bonus, as long as they only hit one target.

They get buff even if hit multiple targets , but only the target You was damaginf with rapid strikes get additional dmg . Also i think noxious breath is not affected by maelstorms and according to Your theory it should be.

juhasman · September 2016

My best comment to describe update 12 ballance

Izaki · September 2016

Apherius wrote: »

Cronopoly wrote: »

And to top it off, Lightning Destro Heavy has AOE removed except the final tick per @Dracane - smh. Apparently someone had to do this on purpose as a Nerf. What's worse is the damage was never high to begin with and killed no groups Ever, that's for sure.

So if they were worried about Stacking abilities, hold for it...That means they understand the concept??? Then Why does every Stamina strong set, CP, Armor , Monster set nicely stack with no nerfs lately, (Viper, Eternal, Melidreth) and Magicka gutted with useless abilities in PVP.

you say me than ... i buy a lighting willpower staff for 125K for nothing ? ZENIMAX TURN ME THESE GOLD BACK .

I bought mine in sharpened in the style I wanted for 3k............. Xbox baby

Dracane · September 2016

juhasman wrote: »

My best comment to describe update 12 ballance

Lol, stam gets 3000 stamina for free, without the need to slot or use anything

Destruction mastery brings like 2400 magicka and you are forced to carry a destruction staff. Necropotence 4k and you must keep pets active.

Awwww, balance

Icarus42 · September 2016

I am quite surprised they didnt include a stamina morph for this new destro ultimate... Come to think of it they should just get rid of destro staff skill line all together, and replace it with a steaming back of cat turds skill line. At least we could have some comic relief. This lack of love for everything magical and the sheer lack of any kind of diversity for magic users (especially magic Sorcs) is extremely depressing.

Sigma957 · September 2016

Have any of you tested the destro ult? On a Dumner sorc I got 142k (fire)damage out of eye of the storm morph in 8 seconds. Now the sorc wasnt overly powerful, only had 2.6k spell damage 32% crit and 40k magic and was still able to do 42k dps