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Lightning Form vs Evasion
SantaOrc
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Besides other effects on that abilities: For Magicka Sorcs, [Lightning Form] Major Resolve/Ward (Armor/Spellresi) or [Evasion] Major Evasion?
Evasion obviously reduces incoming damage by 20% (does that work for AE, too?), how much reduces Lightning Form?
Working on my vMSA Setup. I know that i may lack the stamina for cc breaking purposes when using Evasion, still wondering.
Edited by SantaOrc on August 31, 2016 1:04PM Evasion obviously reduces incoming damage by 20% (does that work for AE, too?), how much reduces Lightning Form?
Working on my vMSA Setup. I know that i may lack the stamina for cc breaking purposes when using Evasion, still wondering.
Lightning Form vs Evasion 20 votes
Evasion ftw
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Lightning Form is better
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Evasion, but not with small Stamina pool
15%
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Other because bacon
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7 votes
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Minute_Waltz✭✭✭Lightning Form is betterActually you won't need either for vma, ward is enough. And you will need every single bit of your stam on the last boss.3
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Autolycus✭✭✭✭✭
✭If anything, use Boundless Storm for the damage it deals, as well as the Major Ward/Resolve. Evasion is not a good choice for a magSorc in vMA (especially last boss).1 -
Cathexis✭✭✭✭✭
✭Other because baconIf you are mag its a different beast entirely. Just run shields.The Tomb of FPS Alteration Magic - Everything You Need to Know About FPS
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Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Major Ward etc gives 5kish resist which equal approximately 7% damage mitigation
Fyi in PvP armor reduction is so high the boost does practically nothing1 -
SantaOrc✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Major Ward etc gives 5kish resist which equal approximately 7% damage mitigation
Thanks, that's what i am looking for.Waffennacht wrote: »Fyi in PvP armor reduction is so high the boost does practically nothing
Major Fracture nullifies a Major Resolve, but it's still better than reducing the rest of my armor, isn't it?
Edited by SantaOrc on August 31, 2016 4:46PM1 -
cschwingeb14_ESO✭✭✭✭Other because baconI said other, but because of limited bar space on the front bar I use lightning form on the back bar. I would swap out lightning form for elemental drain if I could free up a front bar slot. It's currently the least important part of the setup.1
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Autolycus✭✭✭✭✭
✭Waffennacht wrote: »Major Ward etc gives 5kish resist which equal approximately 7% damage mitigation
Thanks, that's what i am looking for.Waffennacht wrote: »Fyi in PvP armor reduction is so high the boost does practically nothing
Major Fracture nullifies a Major Resolve, but it's still better than reducing the rest of my armor, isn't it?
Agreed, which is precisely why stacking resistances well above the caps is a viable strategy for many pvp builds. Extra mitigation in PVP = insurance against penetration.
Very few fights in PVE even have a penetration or reduction component to them, and of those, only one of which seems even remotely of consequence given my own experience (Zhaz'hassa in vMoL), and even then is not something worth overstacking resistances for. It is manageable to say the least, especially with two tanks.Edited by Autolycus on August 31, 2016 5:05PM1 -
Lefthy✭✭Dont know much about sorcs, but i know Evasion doesnt reduce incoming damage for 20%, its a 20% chance to avoid been hit.
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SantaOrc✭✭✭cschwingeb14_ESO wrote: »I said other, but because of limited bar space on the front bar I use lightning form on the back bar. I would swap out lightning form for elemental drain if I could free up a front bar slot. It's currently the least important part of the setup.
I replaced magelight on the backbar with lightning form, since i don't need crit on that bar. The other skills on that bar are Surge, Dark Exchange (crits would overheal most of the time), Mutagen (still crits when i am on my frontbar again), and healstaff-ward. Since i am healing in dungeons i still have the Ward Ally, therefore crit isn't that important, too.Dont know much about sorcs, but i know Evasion doesnt reduce incoming damage for 20%, its a 20% chance to avoid been hit.
That's true, i just simplified that for better comparison. Of course that "20% damage reduction" doesn't help you much when a boss still onehits you. In the end it's a little luck dependend which attacks will be dodged. Still an important point to consider, thanks.
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Vaoh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭These skills are so different. Idk how they can be compared.
Magicka Sorc to Magicka Sorc, I would slot neither of them for vMA.0 -
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✭✭Lightning Form is betterEvasion works on almost everything apart from magic / elemental damage aoes and channeled attacks.
But I personally would only use it for pvp.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Major Ward etc gives 5kish resist which equal approximately 7% damage mitigation
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Omgwtfbbq321✭✭✭Other because baconI use both in PVP. On the Overload bar I cast Elude first then Boundless Strom. Looks epic and works pretty well.
For PVE though, I'm not sure I could recommend the stam cost.My ping is higher than your resource recovery...1 -
Dracane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I found it very hard to maintain my stamina in Maelstrom arena as a Sorc. I doubt you can perfectly maintain both, evasion and cc break.
Lightning form also gives you more damage.
And what people don't know: The higher your movement speed, the higher your attack speed= more damageAuri-El is my lord,
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SantaOrc✭✭✭
Besides using Evasion, I honestly though about buying a third Willpower Ring and enchant it with Stamina Regen. Could work great together with Dark Exchange.I found it very hard to maintain my stamina in Maelstrom arena as a Sorc. I doubt you can perfectly maintain both, evasion and cc break.
When using the Speed Buff in vMSA yesterday that were exactly my thoughts! Didn't know it, since it was just feeling like having less lag ^^'Lightning form also gives you more damage.
And what people don't know: The higher your movement speed, the higher your attack speed= more damage
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Besides using Evasion, I honestly though about buying a third Willpower Ring and enchant it with Stamina Regen. Could work great together with Dark Exchange.I found it very hard to maintain my stamina in Maelstrom arena as a Sorc. I doubt you can perfectly maintain both, evasion and cc break.
When using the Speed Buff in vMSA yesterday that were exactly my thoughts! Didn't know it, since it was just feeling like having less lag ^^'Lightning form also gives you more damage.
And what people don't know: The higher your movement speed, the higher your attack speed= more damage
Yep, your attack animations will be much quicker, the higher your movement speed is.
But this is only really usefull when you use spammable abilities.
Hm and wouldn't it be better to just use 1 magicka regen enchant instead of stamina regen ?Edited by Dracane on September 1, 2016 2:42PMAuri-El is my lord,
Trinimac is my shield,
Magnus is my mind.0 -
Autolycus✭✭✭✭✭
✭Lightning form also gives you more damage.
And what people don't know: The higher your movement speed, the higher your attack speed= more damage
I would like to see evidence to support this claim. Historically, there has only ever been a single ability to increase attack speed, and it was removed over a year ago.Edited by Autolycus on September 1, 2016 3:19PM0 -
Dracane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Lightning form also gives you more damage.
And what people don't know: The higher your movement speed, the higher your attack speed= more damage
I would like to see evidence to support this claim. Historically, there has only ever been a single ability to increase attack speed, and it was removed over a year ago.
Okay. Activate major expedition and weave your stuff and compare it to your normal attack speed
Done, there is your evidence. Auri-El is my lord,
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Autolycus✭✭✭✭✭
✭Lightning form also gives you more damage.
And what people don't know: The higher your movement speed, the higher your attack speed= more damage
I would like to see evidence to support this claim. Historically, there has only ever been a single ability to increase attack speed, and it was removed over a year ago.
Okay. Activate major expedition and weave your stuff and compare it to your normal attack speed Done, there is your evidence.
No sir, this claim is completely false.0 -
Dracane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Lightning form also gives you more damage.
And what people don't know: The higher your movement speed, the higher your attack speed= more damage
I would like to see evidence to support this claim. Historically, there has only ever been a single ability to increase attack speed, and it was removed over a year ago.
Okay. Activate major expedition and weave your stuff and compare it to your normal attack speed Done, there is your evidence.
No sir, this claim is completely false.
M'am*
And no, this "claim" is completely valid, as it's true.
Try it out. You will find that your rotations will go off much quicker.
Sure, I can only speak for my Sorc using force shock, frags etc. But why would it be different with other classes ?Auri-El is my lord,
Trinimac is my shield,
Magnus is my mind.0 -
Autolycus✭✭✭✭✭
✭Lightning form also gives you more damage.
And what people don't know: The higher your movement speed, the higher your attack speed= more damage
I would like to see evidence to support this claim. Historically, there has only ever been a single ability to increase attack speed, and it was removed over a year ago.
Okay. Activate major expedition and weave your stuff and compare it to your normal attack speed Done, there is your evidence.
No sir, this claim is completely false.
M'am*
And no, this "claim" is completely valid, as it's true.
Try it out. You will find that your rotations will go off much quicker.
Sure, I can only speak for my Sorc using force shock, frags etc. But why would it be different with other classes ?
My apologies, Ma'am**.
But a means to increase attack speed does not currently exist in ESO. I've been playing for 3 years, all classes, both pvp and pve. Historically, there has only ever been a single skill to increase attack speed; it was only available to NBs and was replaced with Grim Focus. I believe at one point in time, the Quick Serpent set added attack speed, but it's not currently designed to do so. (Edit: Actually, there were two skills. The other was a morph of Flurry, and don't forget we had Weighted traits, but none of these things exist anymore).
Major Expedition does not increase attack speed. Were this the case, every trials group on every platform and server would have it as a part of their standard "raid buffs." I run VO on my stam sorc, which grants Major Expedition every time I slay an enemy (and I use this in vMA where I'm killing something every couple seconds) and my attack speed remains constant.
Attack speed is not a consideration for dps parses; we don't build for it, it can't be stacked, and it can't be altered, at least not in today's game. Even those sets that provide Major Expedition do not reduce the ICD on light/heavy attacks. We can ani-cancel, which certainly gives the appearance of quicker attacks (of which I'm sure you are familiar), but it isn't shaving off any of the "cast time". It doesn't allow for speeding up animations.
Were I to see strong evidence to support this, I'd humbly back down. But given my current knowledge and experience, I'm certain that it does not increase attack speed.Edited by Autolycus on September 3, 2016 1:43PM1 -
Dracane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Lightning form also gives you more damage.
And what people don't know: The higher your movement speed, the higher your attack speed= more damage
I would like to see evidence to support this claim. Historically, there has only ever been a single ability to increase attack speed, and it was removed over a year ago.
Okay. Activate major expedition and weave your stuff and compare it to your normal attack speed Done, there is your evidence.
No sir, this claim is completely false.
M'am*
And no, this "claim" is completely valid, as it's true.
Try it out. You will find that your rotations will go off much quicker.
Sure, I can only speak for my Sorc using force shock, frags etc. But why would it be different with other classes ?
My apologies, Ma'am**.
But a means to increase attack speed does not currently exist in ESO. I've been playing for 3 years, all classes, both pvp and pve. Historically, there has only ever been a single skill to increase attack speed; it was only available to NBs and was replaced with Grim Focus. I believe at one point in time, the Quick Serpent set added attack speed, but it's not currently designed to do so.
Major Expedition does not increase attack speed. Were this the case, every trials group on every platform and server would have it as a part of their standard "raid buffs." I run VO on my stam sorc, which grants Major Expedition every time I slay an enemy (and I use this in vMA where I'm killing something every couple seconds) and my attack speed remains constant.
Attack speed is not a consideration for dps parses; we don't build for it, it can't be stacked, and it can't be altered, at least not in today's game. Even those sets that provide Major Expedition do not reduce the ICD on light/heavy attacks. We can ani-cancel, which certainly gives the appearance of quicker attacks (of which I'm sure you are familiar), but it isn't shaving off any of the "cast time". It doesn't allow for speeding up animations.
Were I to see strong evidence to support this, I'd humbly back down. But given my current knowledge and experience, I'm certain that it does not increase attack speed.
The faster you move, the better your animation canceling gets
That's why most people move all the time while weaving. It makes the animations more fluent.
Movement speed increases this even more. In pvp, it allows to really burn people down very fast.
It's just 1s, and I will have landed 2 force shock weaves and 1 frag.Auri-El is my lord,
Trinimac is my shield,
Magnus is my mind.0