I enjoyed the vet system and when it went I had a Vet1, vet10, vet12 and vet16 - it gave you something to work for.
I also would prefer CP to only relate to one character rather than account wide - once again to give you something to work for.

If they get rid of CP all together and cap people at 50 with no further 'in game' progression, I will cancel my sub and find another game to play. At least the vet system gave you something to continue working each new character towards rather than sprint to level 50 easily with hundreds of CP and then immediately have access to the best gear.

Didn't like the vet system, but I hate the champion system. Everyone's a super hero. Their attempts to homogenize the classes so that everyone can "play the way they want" has ruined the original vision and identity of the game design and I really don't think the devs have either right now.

Draxys wrote: »

Didn't like the vet system, but I hate the champion system. Everyone's a super hero. Their attempts to homogenize the classes so that everyone can "play the way they want" has ruined the original vision and identity of the game design and I really don't think the devs have either right now.

I don't want to hear about people trying to homogenize the classes. That's gross.

Here's a question for all of you grind-haters:

How did you manage to enjoy retro MMORPGs that all had WAY more to work for in terms of levels (Runescape is a good example)? Assuming at least SOME of you played retro MMOs.

I'm no fan of long grind sessions myself but I DO enjoy lengthy goals to work toward. Some games were ridiculously hard though (Redstone).

CP System any day.

I like the idea of slowly improving characters at max level not just by gear, but by just playing the game. ESO btw isn't the first MMO which goes that path. The good old Everquest already had a socalled "AA-System" (Alternate Advancement) after max lvl and the people liked it, although things were much more grindy in those old days.

I hate systems - like in WoW (WoW isn't a bad game btw, I played it for over 5 years, but the side effect of character improvement just by gear drops due to perma raiding ever annoyed me, crafting was pretty useless) - where you are only able to improve by gear accumulation.

In fact ESO had two systems to improve over max lvl, the Vet System and the CP System. From developer perspective running such two systems is pretty awkward, because you have to balance content towards both systems and all their opportunities and possibilities concerning gear and builds and evolving minimums and maximums.

So the best solution was, that one has to go.

If I have to choose between Vet and CP system again I would decide in favor for the CP system any day. It's still some sort of grind, but It's less grind Overall and you improve by just playing the game without making the grind as noticable as with the old Vet lvls. You are able to get a competitive char for end content much sooner. A CP 300 char is well able to do CP 160 vet instances, a Vet 12 char will barely hit a target in a Vet 16 instance. You are able to get 160 CPs to gear up a char in current max equipment much faster as max lvl and max lvl gear with the former Vet System. In fact the big difference was that vet lvls just apply to one char while CPs apply acountwide. The current system is much more friendly for playing twinks and for building well rounded groups and raid Groups, because - the pool of chars a raid group or guild can use is much larger now.

After 4 chars with finished Cadwell's Gold, I won't ever shed a tear over the Vet System.

Don't miss it in the slightest. I'm a self-confessed altaholic and I love it that all my characters, previously of varying Veteran Ranks from 1-16, are now effectively the same level and whoever I decide to play it contributes to my overall CP pool. No longer do I have to feel guilty about playing X because Y really needs to level up some more.

My girlfriend and I also love to run as a duo, and now we can mix 'n' match characters in ways we couldn't easily before because of disparities in character and gear levels.

i do miss it, simple reason is that people shout in zone chat cp points this and that, which makes no sense, the amount of times i have joined a group where some have cp caps and not ready for end game stuff as there skills are still low, they dont have the skills to do the stuff and still don't understand their build

I had the opportunity to level my main char trough Cadwell's Silver & Gold. The day I reached VR16 I had exactly 240 CP. I was at the end of the first Gold zone, Auridon. I only played enough every day to fill the illumination because there were few other opportunities to gain XP for CP besides straight forward grinding which I hate. Then I made 3 other alts - my other current veteran characters. One, my sorcerer, I kept as extra bank - I opened about 60 chests when I reached VR16 so there was plenty of gear I had to store - while I leveled the other 2 trough AD and DC alliance areas. My Templar had already reached VR1 by the time TG was released, together with the random dungeon experience bonus and the definitive timeline for VR removal. The problem was that back then the XP pool was somewhat split between characters - you had to get enough XP on a single character to earn the CP, but the CPs and illumination were account wide. So any XP gained by alts was "wasted" until you actually had enough to earn a CP.

I decided to focus just on my main char, Stamina DK tank, until the next update. The queue times were very short in general, especially for tanks. I queued for random vet dungeons and did a dozen of those a day. The first one gets you 100K XP, the subsequent ones 33K. But was more than enough to earn 3-4 or even 6 CP a day. At the same time I farmed all monster sets, got complete agility, willpower and endurance jewlery sets with perfect traits (and some extra ones which I sold for good prices), as well as piles of VR9-14 and most importantly VR15-16 materials; there was no other way to get the latter because I had bought no DLCs. I hit the CP cap at the end of May, about a week before DB was released. But the most important thing I got was neither gear, nor materials, not even CPs, but the experience of playing in random groups and learning to adapt and compensate. Some were extremely bad, even if the players were VR16 but with most I managed to get trough the end of the dungeon.

In the end I'm glad they removed the VR and introduced a daily source of XP that actually requires people to get together. I didn't have the patience at the time to run all my alts trough Cadwell's Silver and Gold again, or grind them, especially with the hybrid system limitations on CP gain, the risk of getting desirable trait but under leveled gear (ex. VR6 robust agility ring or VR4 divines Valkyn Skoria hat), and the clutter of mid tier materials I would have gotten from deconstruction trough the quest areas and dungeons. Finally, I didn't like the idea of crafting more training gear sets for VR. The one I crafted at levels 14,24,34 and 44 now sufficed. Good riddance Veteran ranks! I can barely wait for One Tamriel which will allow me to play my alts in CP160 leveled zones, get the proper gear and materials.

Nope, I like this CP system better.

I am somewhat of an altoholic, but I would absolutely hate to have to level each and every one to VR 16.

EDIT: I am not a fan of mindless exp grinding.

Kammakazi wrote: »

In the new system, more players are sticking to only one character, and then they'd have to grind CP all the way to 531. Would you really want to grind from CP 160 to 531 on the same character?

I only have two characters. I tried making a third but deleted her at Level 10 cause by then it was actually my fifth character overall and I REALLY did not have it in me to do it all over again for a fifth time. So I deleted the characters I felt were inadequate and kept the two I actually enjoyed and were already level capped.

Never supported the CP sytsem at all, Veteran ranks and zones were just fine.

As always, the passives and in the CP got reworked numerous times, then, no suprised, a cap was introduced because they launched the CP system with no new content.

Obviously you had people grinding the daylights out of it, thus huge CP advantages, which effected PvE and PvP dramatically.

Till this day, i dont support it, not one bit.

So yes i miss the veteran rank AND the soft caps.

QUEZ420 wrote: »

Grinding veteran ranks were straight aids, full blown hiv.

Oh god! Thanks for that. Literally laughed out loud. People in the office looked at me weird...