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Would farming a million ap in less then 24 hours be considered an exploit

  • Chuga_Rei
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    Darnathian wrote: »

    The current system is also. You have to have zero life to get it. Especially if you dont get it on reset day.

    I played 20+ hours a day for 12 days straight to get mine when IR dethroned Khamikazi after her 45 day run as emp or some crap.

    Twice now i have gotten emp completely by accident lol.


    On azuras i solo'd on my day off for a while then we ran a 5 man group. it didnt even cut nto my other stuff i had planed that day.

    Honestly defending emp s the time consuming part.
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  • Soundwave
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    Darnathian wrote: »
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    Just seems like everyone is ap farming these days and not playing the game, how its suppose. Who can acquire the most AP the fastest, y not implement an emp timer or if an emp dies then second place get emp. Just seems like more and more people care about their AP, then actually trying to controlling cyrodill. Well on Xbox..

    Well some of my friend did suggest that when you become a empeoer/empress you start a cool down of 30 days. Like you can be emp as long as you want but as soon as you get de-throne you can not become emp again for 30 days. So you maybe number 1 on the leaderboards but number 2 will become emp if you crown and same thing if number 2 becomes emp and get de-throne and so on.

    It just a way to stop cheese players from getting emp over and over and let some players who have lives and can't play 50+ hours to have a chance to become emp.

    Getting emp is broken thats was to see, why not have 3 emp at the same one from each faction. Now thats a duel match i would bet on

    I always thought that too. Call them the Hero or General for the faction. All with same powers. Peoblem would be though how could u catch up with them?

    Maybe if they die they lose all thier AP rank on leaderboard and start over. That way dying means something and there is a sense of loss.

    Also would give players that never get a shot.

    The current system is also. You have to have zero life to get it. Especially if you dont get it on reset day.

    I played 20+ hours a day for 12 days straight to get mine when IR dethroned Khamikazi after her 45 day run as emp or some crap.

    Why not have kings or queens one per faction, thats voted end by the members. Something like how the hacker works in battlefield. Why u can see all fighting all over the map. So u can command yours troops in battle, while on console text is nice, but not really used. Got too randoms saying "go here, no here, scroll."
  • Soundwave
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    Soulac wrote: »
    no

    That horrible feedback, please try a little hard.
  • Crown
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    Soundwave wrote: »
    Why not have kings or queens one per faction, thats voted end by the members.

    That becomes a game of politics, and there would be no way to ensure that people could only vote on one faction. On PC/NA/AD while I was playing, the Emperor was usually someone who cared about the map, tried to get the most points for the faction, and did their best for the faction - not just themselves. People are inherently selfish, and many will not want to do that..
    Soundwave wrote: »
    Why u can see all fighting all over the map. So u can command yours troops in battle, while on console text is nice, but not really used. Got too randoms saying "go here, no here, scroll."

    Being able to become emperor, and being able to strategize what's best for the map and campaign are two VERY different skill sets. There have been emperors who have been amazing strategists, and emperors who can't see the big picture and just want to go kill opponents. Most are somewhere in the middle. As messed up as the AP system may be in some peoples' world views, emperor going to someone who spends a lot more time playing the game will at least ensure that said emperor is going to be online to fight, rather than get it and have it taken away before they can even log in.

    For any suggestion that people want to make, they need to consider the pros and cons from their own perspective, from the perspective of their group or guild, the perspective of their faction, and the perspective of ZOS (hi @ZOS_GinaBruno ) who are trying hard (though unfortunately failing miserably all too often). Keep in mind that the people who work to make this game at ZOS don't play it themselves near as much as most of us do / did, so the decisions that they make about how these things work are going to be biased in favour of what sounds right to them rather than what feels right. The best situation would be for something in the middle. I'm really surprised that by this point they haven't hired a few people who have months /played in PvP, people ranked General+ to advise on those things..

    Last night was the first "prime time" night I've played in about six months, and the lag (fights at Fare around 9-10pm ish eastern) rendered the game almost unplayable. I was very disappointed to see that the state of the game hasn't changed much since Q1.
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  • Soundwave
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    Crown wrote: »
    Soundwave wrote: »
    Why not have kings or queens one per faction, thats voted end by the members.

    That becomes a game of politics, and there would be no way to ensure that people could only vote on one faction. On PC/NA/AD while I was playing, the Emperor was usually someone who cared about the map, tried to get the most points for the faction, and did their best for the faction - not just themselves. People are inherently selfish, and many will not want to do that..
    Soundwave wrote: »
    Why u can see all fighting all over the map. So u can command yours troops in battle, while on console text is nice, but not really used. Got too randoms saying "go here, no here, scroll."

    Being able to become emperor, and being able to strategize what's best for the map and campaign are two VERY different skill sets. There have been emperors who have been amazing strategists, and emperors who can't see the big picture and just want to go kill opponents. Most are somewhere in the middle. As messed up as the AP system may be in some peoples' world views, emperor going to someone who spends a lot more time playing the game will at least ensure that said emperor is going to be online to fight, rather than get it and have it taken away before they can even log in.

    For any suggestion that people want to make, they need to consider the pros and cons from their own perspective, from the perspective of their group or guild, the perspective of their faction, and the perspective of ZOS (hi @ZOS_GinaBruno ) who are trying hard (though unfortunately failing miserably all too often). Keep in mind that the people who work to make this game at ZOS don't play it themselves near as much as most of us do / did, so the decisions that they make about how these things work are going to be biased in favour of what sounds right to them rather than what feels right. The best situation would be for something in the middle. I'm really surprised that by this point they haven't hired a few people who have months /played in PvP, people ranked General+ to advise on those things..

    Last night was the first "prime time" night I've played in about six months, and the lag (fights at Fare around 9-10pm ish eastern) rendered the game almost unplayable. I was very disappointed to see that the state of the game hasn't changed much since Q1.

    How do u improve something that dont play much as the fans. I play wow for six years and ran into many game master and developers. It would nice to see a dev or game master in cyrodiil at least once. Probably easier on PC than console though. But improving how emp is acquired would be a good thing. Some might say balancing is more important, in 11years Blizzard (triple A company) still is fighting that one. Balancing is going to take years and still with have issue's.
  • Crown
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    Soundwave wrote: »
    How do u improve something that dont play much as the fans. I play wow for six years and ran into many game master and developers. It would nice to see a dev or game master in cyrodiil at least once. Probably easier on PC than console though. But improving how emp is acquired would be a good thing. Some might say balancing is more important, in 11years Blizzard (triple A company) still is fighting that one. Balancing is going to take years and still with have issue's.

    I'm not convinced that there's anything wrong with the emp system as it stands. I don't believe that anyone has made a reasonable suggestion that could be implemented. With so many different things that can be done in Cyrodiil, there's no one activity other than AP gains that can determine contribution. The challenge with AP is that it's too easy to abuse.

    Regarding balance, I've been out of the game for too long to really comment. Last time I played regularly was the first 2 weeks of Thieves' Guild, and until then every major patch fixed a LOT of things, though broke a LOT of others.

    On a side note, a suggestion that was made about two years ago that would be very interesting was to allow for an Emperor Regent when the Emperor is not logged in. The Emperor Regent would be the person in 2nd place, and would have 75% of Emperor powers when the Emperor was not logged in. If both #1 and #2 were not logged in, then #3 etc would get Regent powers.
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  • Soundwave
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    Crown wrote: »
    Soundwave wrote: »
    How do u improve something that dont play much as the fans. I play wow for six years and ran into many game master and developers. It would nice to see a dev or game master in cyrodiil at least once. Probably easier on PC than console though. But improving how emp is acquired would be a good thing. Some might say balancing is more important, in 11years Blizzard (triple A company) still is fighting that one. Balancing is going to take years and still with have issue's.

    I'm not convinced that there's anything wrong with the emp system as it stands. I don't believe that anyone has made a reasonable suggestion that could be implemented. With so many different things that can be done in Cyrodiil, there's no one activity other than AP gains that can determine contribution. The challenge with AP is that it's too easy to abuse.

    Regarding balance, I've been out of the game for too long to really comment. Last time I played regularly was the first 2 weeks of Thieves' Guild, and until then every major patch fixed a LOT of things, though broke a LOT of others.

    On a side note, a suggestion that was made about two years ago that would be very interesting was to allow for an Emperor Regent when the Emperor is not logged in. The Emperor Regent would be the person in 2nd place, and would have 75% of Emperor powers when the Emperor was not logged in. If both #1 and #2 were not logged in, then #3 etc would get Regent powers.

    From adding overly expensive motifs and new gear vendors, they already know its easy to obtain and abuse. Thats a problem in itself, instead of trying fix the problem; they opt for work around concept. Though it might work for a while, it just becomes a bigger problem down the road. Take the next update for instance, while it does seems like awesome idea. Where we can play with anyone, but with their record lately with bugs and performance problems. Its scares me, I still cant go elden root, game crashes every time I try to port there. I have to play the game with my frame rate at zero and no sound. Doesn't bother me much, I still enjoy the game. Even though it might crash 3 or 4 times a day, but again they aware of and working on it. I understand things takes time to fix the issues, maybe the neo and scorpion will able to handle eso.
  • zuto40
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    Crown wrote: »
    Soundwave wrote: »
    How do u improve something that dont play much as the fans. I play wow for six years and ran into many game master and developers. It would nice to see a dev or game master in cyrodiil at least once. Probably easier on PC than console though. But improving how emp is acquired would be a good thing. Some might say balancing is more important, in 11years Blizzard (triple A company) still is fighting that one. Balancing is going to take years and still with have issue's.

    I'm not convinced that there's anything wrong with the emp system as it stands. I don't believe that anyone has made a reasonable suggestion that could be implemented. With so many different things that can be done in Cyrodiil, there's no one activity other than AP gains that can determine contribution. The challenge with AP is that it's too easy to abuse.

    Regarding balance, I've been out of the game for too long to really comment. Last time I played regularly was the first 2 weeks of Thieves' Guild, and until then every major patch fixed a LOT of things, though broke a LOT of others.

    On a side note, a suggestion that was made about two years ago that would be very interesting was to allow for an Emperor Regent when the Emperor is not logged in. The Emperor Regent would be the person in 2nd place, and would have 75% of Emperor powers when the Emperor was not logged in. If both #1 and #2 were not logged in, then #3 etc would get Regent powers.

    the regent idea seems really good, itd be lovely if it was implemented
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  • Sanct16
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    Emperor system is completly fine as it is and there is no need to change anything about it imo.
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  • Manoekin
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    It was possible before the AP changes and easily possible now.
  • Soundwave
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    Sanct16 wrote: »
    Emperor system is completly fine as it is and there is no need to change anything about it imo.

    While u might believe its fine, there many others that dont agree with u.
  • Manoekin
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    Soundwave wrote: »
    Sanct16 wrote: »
    Emperor system is completly fine as it is and there is no need to change anything about it imo.

    While u might believe its fine, there many others that dont agree with u.

    The only problem with it is that the game can't handle massive amounts of players in the same area, which is what the end of an emperorship always comes down to. Nothing wrong with the system really though it could be modified for hopefully a more pleasant experience.
  • Soundwave
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    Manoekin wrote: »
    Soundwave wrote: »
    Sanct16 wrote: »
    Emperor system is completly fine as it is and there is no need to change anything about it imo.

    While u might believe its fine, there many others that dont agree with u.

    The only problem with it is that the game can't handle massive amounts of players in the same area, which is what the end of an emperorship always comes down to. Nothing wrong with the system really though it could be modified for hopefully a more pleasant experience.

    I don' know if PC is plague with same issues as console, servers performance during perk hours just plain sucks. U be defend a keep against blue zerg, then red zergs the same keep (its been a over a year on console) so they know there's a good chance players game going to crash. And what happens, we're dead, no chance to defend ourselves. Load the game and about half the people are still loading back in. I understand there was a cap and it cause huge que times. I wont even try to make a suggestion, not my field.
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    I know in bwb na pc ppl usually get emp by getting a lot of help. One guy tells his friends to log into another faction then they take turns killing each other for the ap.
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    I've done it by myself a few times, without emp as well. It's all about knowing what you're doing and where to go, people on Xbox still suck at getting ap so to this day they'll say you're boosting.

    Back in the day I got accused of boosting for massing millions of ap before the ap buff. There's also plenty of people who get emp playing the objective aka zerging the map or zerg surfing all the time.
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    I've managed to get around 1.1mio in 24 hours. Had to get into the gold rewards before the campaign closed. :lol:

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  • Soundwave
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    Obtaining 1 million can possible be acquired in 24 hours if u are in a good group, know where to go (on Xbox just go to alessia if you're yellow), group up with emp defend him or just be emp. Tower ap boosting, AP tick farming, barn ap boost (thats red favorite spot at faregryl). I dont know what it is about barns, but man red always ends up there after a long zerg. Maybe its the long lonely rides in cyrodiil and just looking a companion. Its just weird. Sry got a little off track, how to acquire AP, you have to agree or disagree. But at least knowledge that getting AP is easy, and easily to abuse.
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    I've done it by myself a few times, without emp as well. It's all about knowing what you're doing and where to go, people on Xbox still suck at getting ap so to this day they'll say you're boosting.

    Back in the day I got accused of boosting for massing millions of ap before the ap buff. There's also plenty of people who get emp playing the objective aka zerging the map or zerg surfing all the time.

    I accused of being a bot because I did the same pattern for 48 hours, I was herbs for darkmood cards.

    Funny thing is the topic question was "less than 24 hours" everyone answered yes its possible in 24 hours that wasn't the question...lol. Is it possible in 18 hours...
  • cschwingeb14_ESO
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    It's possible to do in a relatively active campaign with bad people to farm. Solo or with a good small group. You do have to be lucky that there is decent action for a long period.

    50k AP/hour is not a huge number. The trouble is sustaining that number for a long time
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    Soundwave wrote: »
    I've done it by myself a few times, without emp as well. It's all about knowing what you're doing and where to go, people on Xbox still suck at getting ap so to this day they'll say you're boosting.

    Back in the day I got accused of boosting for massing millions of ap before the ap buff. There's also plenty of people who get emp playing the objective aka zerging the map or zerg surfing all the time.

    I accused of being a bot because I did the same pattern for 48 hours, I was herbs for darkmood cards.

    Funny thing is the topic question was "less than 24 hours" everyone answered yes its possible in 24 hours that wasn't the question...lol. Is it possible in 18 hours...

    Sure thing its possible, I've done 1 000 000 in 10 hours when I was solo emp. After you "only" need 100 solo kills per hour, way less if you add ticks and such.
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  • Soundwave
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    Erondil wrote: »
    Soundwave wrote: »
    I've done it by myself a few times, without emp as well. It's all about knowing what you're doing and where to go, people on Xbox still suck at getting ap so to this day they'll say you're boosting.

    Back in the day I got accused of boosting for massing millions of ap before the ap buff. There's also plenty of people who get emp playing the objective aka zerging the map or zerg surfing all the time.

    I accused of being a bot because I did the same pattern for 48 hours, I was herbs for darkmood cards.

    Funny thing is the topic question was "less than 24 hours" everyone answered yes its possible in 24 hours that wasn't the question...lol. Is it possible in 18 hours...

    Sure thing its possible, I've done 1 000 000 in 10 hours when I was solo emp. After you "only" need 100 solo kills per hour, way less if you add ticks and such.

    You're an emp, you have massive buffs and passive. what about someone that isn't any emp.
  • Manoekin
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    Soundwave wrote: »
    Erondil wrote: »
    Soundwave wrote: »
    I've done it by myself a few times, without emp as well. It's all about knowing what you're doing and where to go, people on Xbox still suck at getting ap so to this day they'll say you're boosting.

    Back in the day I got accused of boosting for massing millions of ap before the ap buff. There's also plenty of people who get emp playing the objective aka zerging the map or zerg surfing all the time.

    I accused of being a bot because I did the same pattern for 48 hours, I was herbs for darkmood cards.

    Funny thing is the topic question was "less than 24 hours" everyone answered yes its possible in 24 hours that wasn't the question...lol. Is it possible in 18 hours...

    Sure thing its possible, I've done 1 000 000 in 10 hours when I was solo emp. After you "only" need 100 solo kills per hour, way less if you add ticks and such.

    You're an emp, you have massive buffs and passive. what about someone that isn't any emp.

    We've already answered you honestly.
    Soundwave wrote: »
    I've done it by myself a few times, without emp as well. It's all about knowing what you're doing and where to go, people on Xbox still suck at getting ap so to this day they'll say you're boosting.

    Back in the day I got accused of boosting for massing millions of ap before the ap buff. There's also plenty of people who get emp playing the objective aka zerging the map or zerg surfing all the time.

    I accused of being a bot because I did the same pattern for 48 hours, I was herbs for darkmood cards.

    Funny thing is the topic question was "less than 24 hours" everyone answered yes its possible in 24 hours that wasn't the question...lol. Is it possible in 18 hours...

    23 hours 59min 59sec is also "less than 24 hours". If you want a specific time then be specific please.
  • Erondil
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    Soundwave wrote: »
    Erondil wrote: »
    Soundwave wrote: »
    I've done it by myself a few times, without emp as well. It's all about knowing what you're doing and where to go, people on Xbox still suck at getting ap so to this day they'll say you're boosting.

    Back in the day I got accused of boosting for massing millions of ap before the ap buff. There's also plenty of people who get emp playing the objective aka zerging the map or zerg surfing all the time.

    I accused of being a bot because I did the same pattern for 48 hours, I was herbs for darkmood cards.

    Funny thing is the topic question was "less than 24 hours" everyone answered yes its possible in 24 hours that wasn't the question...lol. Is it possible in 18 hours...

    Sure thing its possible, I've done 1 000 000 in 10 hours when I was solo emp. After you "only" need 100 solo kills per hour, way less if you add ticks and such.

    You're an emp, you have massive buffs and passive. what about someone that isn't any emp.

    You asked if it is possible to get 1M AP in a certain time without exploit. Emp is no exploit. Also no emp with a good grp its possible too.
    Edited by Erondil on August 21, 2016 3:20PM
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  • Soundwave
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    Manoekin wrote: »
    Soundwave wrote: »
    Erondil wrote: »
    Soundwave wrote: »
    I've done it by myself a few times, without emp as well. It's all about knowing what you're doing and where to go, people on Xbox still suck at getting ap so to this day they'll say you're boosting.

    Back in the day I got accused of boosting for massing millions of ap before the ap buff. There's also plenty of people who get emp playing the objective aka zerging the map or zerg surfing all the time.

    I accused of being a bot because I did the same pattern for 48 hours, I was herbs for darkmood cards.

    Funny thing is the topic question was "less than 24 hours" everyone answered yes its possible in 24 hours that wasn't the question...lol. Is it possible in 18 hours...

    Sure thing its possible, I've done 1 000 000 in 10 hours when I was solo emp. After you "only" need 100 solo kills per hour, way less if you add ticks and such.

    You're an emp, you have massive buffs and passive. what about someone that isn't any emp.

    We've already answered you honestly.
    Soundwave wrote: »
    I've done it by myself a few times, without emp as well. It's all about knowing what you're doing and where to go, people on Xbox still suck at getting ap so to this day they'll say you're boosting.

    Back in the day I got accused of boosting for massing millions of ap before the ap buff. There's also plenty of people who get emp playing the objective aka zerging the map or zerg surfing all the time.

    I accused of being a bot because I did the same pattern for 48 hours, I was herbs for darkmood cards.

    Funny thing is the topic question was "less than 24 hours" everyone answered yes its possible in 24 hours that wasn't the question...lol. Is it possible in 18 hours...

    23 hours 59min 59sec is also "less than 24 hours". If you want a specific time then be specific please.

    Wasn't going to be that guy that comes on the forums, by making a topic. "so I watched someone farm a 1 million 12 hours." I respect gamers for who there, there is a person behind every keyboard and controller. I am mot a ***, a very stand person. I might be opinionated and open minded, but I am judge mental. So respect my decision not be fully descripted on my topic. And if u decide to makes troll, because I think it funny in your. Do me and everyone else a favor and don't, you're just wasting your and ours.
  • Soundwave
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    Not judgemental- stupid phone
  • Manoekin
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    Soundwave wrote: »
    Manoekin wrote: »
    Soundwave wrote: »
    Erondil wrote: »
    Soundwave wrote: »
    I've done it by myself a few times, without emp as well. It's all about knowing what you're doing and where to go, people on Xbox still suck at getting ap so to this day they'll say you're boosting.

    Back in the day I got accused of boosting for massing millions of ap before the ap buff. There's also plenty of people who get emp playing the objective aka zerging the map or zerg surfing all the time.

    I accused of being a bot because I did the same pattern for 48 hours, I was herbs for darkmood cards.

    Funny thing is the topic question was "less than 24 hours" everyone answered yes its possible in 24 hours that wasn't the question...lol. Is it possible in 18 hours...

    Sure thing its possible, I've done 1 000 000 in 10 hours when I was solo emp. After you "only" need 100 solo kills per hour, way less if you add ticks and such.

    You're an emp, you have massive buffs and passive. what about someone that isn't any emp.

    We've already answered you honestly.
    Soundwave wrote: »
    I've done it by myself a few times, without emp as well. It's all about knowing what you're doing and where to go, people on Xbox still suck at getting ap so to this day they'll say you're boosting.

    Back in the day I got accused of boosting for massing millions of ap before the ap buff. There's also plenty of people who get emp playing the objective aka zerging the map or zerg surfing all the time.

    I accused of being a bot because I did the same pattern for 48 hours, I was herbs for darkmood cards.

    Funny thing is the topic question was "less than 24 hours" everyone answered yes its possible in 24 hours that wasn't the question...lol. Is it possible in 18 hours...

    23 hours 59min 59sec is also "less than 24 hours". If you want a specific time then be specific please.

    Wasn't going to be that guy that comes on the forums, by making a topic. "so I watched someone farm a 1 million 12 hours." I respect gamers for who there, there is a person behind every keyboard and controller. I am mot a ***, a very stand person. I might be opinionated and open minded, but I am judge mental. So respect my decision not be fully descripted on my topic. And if u decide to makes troll, because I think it funny in your. Do me and everyone else a favor and don't, you're just wasting your and ours.

    No one is going to be upset if you give a specific example and ask if it was possible. It's much better than coming on here and claiming someone is cheating without knowing. 12 hours would still be possible, but at that point you would need things to go your way and it's less of an eventuality.
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    @Manoekin I understand where you're coming from. But I am just not that kind person to call someone out like that.
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    rofl
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    xskinzcity wrote: »
    Spliffo wrote: »
    lol neither did I. Trust me man you guys have a solid group but take the Emp out of it and your not pulling off those wipes. Lol

    Of course not. But when you have vampire magic templars and proxy bombing nightblades it can turn the tide real quick.

    Anyway back to the topic, yes its definitely possible to gain a million plus ap a day. Several of my guild mates have done it but it requires no lifing it for like 18 hours of playing. Ap gain is much easier on a magic build. All the grand overlords on xbox are pretty much magic builds.

    Xbox Grand Overlords

    Jar Jar - stamplar
    Hulk - dk tank (played as both stamina and magicka)
    Golden Guns - magplar
    Willkilliar - magblade proxy bomber

    There's a few more, but their names escape me at the moment.
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