vMSA Charged on weapons... Can we get rid of it?

MaxwellC · August 2016

Can we remove the trait 'Charged' on weapons I mean who needs a 200% charged maul when it always applies regardless? Who needs a 200% axe when flurry procs it 100% of the time (if equipping two DWs such as axe/dagger)? Who needs a sword that always proc on heroic slash?

Pallio · August 2016

No farming 100+ times to get a decent drop as intended. It is called end game content, or a replacement for it anyway.

Jaronking · August 2016

Charged sword and lightening staff back to back runs.

AGrz5585 · August 2016

2 bows, 1 resto, 1 dagger, and 2 inferno staves all charged

Got them all one after another

luen79rwb17_ESO · August 2016

I totally agree, charged trait seems pointless on Maelstrom weapons... ZOS please remove and change our current charged weapons to sharpened

MaxwellC · August 2016

I mean I could see if it had a benefit but if it's on a weapon that already has a 100% chance of occurrence than the extra 200% is not needed whatsoever.

Amdar_Godkiller · August 2016

Does charged also increase all status effects that aren't directly related to the echantment/poisons equipped on
a weapon?

If so then I could see it being useful in PVP for certain builds and with certain monster sets.

If not then it probably should be taken out of the loot or enhanced in some fashion to make it more desirable
(maybe combining it with decisive or adding increased duration to applied status effects).

Really though, the best thing for the game/ build diversity would be to nerf the bonus to sharpened by at least
50%. It doesn't really matter what is done to make other traits more powerful so long as Sharpened is more than
twice as strong as the next best "option".

MaxwellC · August 2016

No it only applies to the weapons enchantment but I think poisons work (can't say because I don't use poisons out of principal ).

Amdar_Godkiller · August 2016

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

No it only applies to the weapons enchantment but I think poisons work (can't say because I don't use poisons out of principal ).

Then yeah it's crap unless you're using it with Elemental/Physical damage enchantments or Vulnerability poison
(which I always use on my Stam Healer along with Standard of Might, Igneous Shield (Minor Brutality), and
Combat prayer to boost the groups dps)
on a non Maelstrom weapon, and even then, only if you're already stacked in terms of penetration

code65536 · August 2016

I'm not 100% sure how Charged works, but this is how I understand it: Every time you deal fire damage, you have a chance to impart the Burning status effect, which is essentially a DoT.

This status effect is not related to enchantments, aside from fire damage enchantments being a potential source of procs--any other fire damage can proc a Burning status effect.

Charged simply increases the likelihood that an attack will proc Burning (or Chilled, Concussed, Poisoned, etc.).

So it is not related to enchantment proc chance.

That having been said, it is still a trash trait that is barely any better than training. Either get rid of it from the vMA and vDSA loot tables, or go back and do the trait rebalancing right and make this trait actually useful.

dsalter · August 2016

charged works on all status not just the enchants. i use it to increase burn chance from flame blockade in dungeons on my ring of fire knight

MaxwellC · August 2016

that's not the issue here the issue is it with a maelstom weapon such as mauls,etc.

Minute_Waltz · August 2016

I've never seen a charged dagger/axe, but can anyone confirm if it means 100% chance on cruel flurry with just ONE CHARGED vma dagger or axe?

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · August 2016

Minute_Waltz wrote: »

I've never seen a charged dagger/axe, but can anyone confirm if it means 100% chance on cruel flurry with just ONE CHARGED vma dagger or axe?

That is not what charged does, it is the secondary effects it ups the chance of, like @code65536 explained.

MaxwellC · August 2016

Missing the point for example the 2H you need to crit charge to proc it so that's already a 100% chance of it doing it already same with cruel flurry enchant you need to use the dual wield ability to proc it 100% of the time there's no 50% unless you use 1 axe/dagger

Minute_Waltz · August 2016

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Minute_Waltz wrote: »

I've never seen a charged dagger/axe, but can anyone confirm if it means 100% chance on cruel flurry with just ONE CHARGED vma dagger or axe?

That is not what charged does, it is the secondary effects it ups the chance of, like @code65536 explained.

Damn.. there goes my 1 vma 1 veli 5 Vo 5 TBS plan lol

code65536 · August 2016

Minute_Waltz wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Minute_Waltz wrote: »

I've never seen a charged dagger/axe, but can anyone confirm if it means 100% chance on cruel flurry with just ONE CHARGED vma dagger or axe?

That is not what charged does, it is the secondary effects it ups the chance of, like @code65536 explained.

Damn.. there goes my 1 vma 1 veli 5 Vo 5 TBS plan lol

Uh, that would only be 35 extra WD compared to the standard 2p VMA + 5p VO + 5p TBS setup. Even if it did work, it would screw up your back bar.

Stiltz · August 2016

Charged Maelstrom Inferno staff is also completely redundant because all burning effects proc 100% of the time with destro skill line passive while destro staff is equipped.

Minute_Waltz · August 2016

code65536 wrote: »

Minute_Waltz wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Minute_Waltz wrote: »

I've never seen a charged dagger/axe, but can anyone confirm if it means 100% chance on cruel flurry with just ONE CHARGED vma dagger or axe?

That is not what charged does, it is the secondary effects it ups the chance of, like @code65536 explained.

Damn.. there goes my 1 vma 1 veli 5 Vo 5 TBS plan lol

Uh, that would only be 35 extra WD compared to the standard 2p VMA + 5p VO + 5p TBS setup. Even if it did work, it would screw up your back bar.

Oh yeah.. forgot the vma weps give WD too lol AND I lose out on 2560 sharpen penetration or 3.5 crit precise trait..

Chilla_Deluxe · August 2016

I thought charged affected skill line passives such as heavy weapons bleed, for example Greatswords gain 5% damage bonus, Mauls gain -20% penetration(thus charged doesn't affect them) but Battle Axes have 16% chance to proc a bleed, so wouldn't a 200% charged increase on VMA Battle Axe give the 16% chance x 3 times ?

Brasseurfb16_ESO · August 2016

Stiltz wrote: »

Charged Maelstrom Inferno staff is also completely redundant because all burning effects proc 100% of the time with destro skill line passive while destro staff is equipped.

That's not how the Elemental Force works. The passive increases the base chance by 100%. So if you have 5% to trigger a status effect with wall of element, the passive now makes it 10%. Putting a purple Charged weapon with Elemental Force passive increase your base chance to trigger elemental status effect by 300%, which means that the same skill now has 20% chance per hits to trigger elemental status effects.

With a Charged Maelstrom lightning staff, with Elemental Blockade and the extra 40% heavy attack dmg from Molten Armaments (from DK), you can keep a 100% stagger uptime on every target you hit while dishing tons of dmg over time. Add Valkyn Skoria procs and it's even more devastating.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · August 2016

Stiltz wrote: »

Charged Maelstrom Inferno staff is also completely redundant because all burning effects proc 100% of the time with destro skill line passive while destro staff is equipped.

No. It procs 100% more, meaning that passive doubles the base proc chance. Which is low. See here in 2.1 patch notes - https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2074057/#Comment_2074057

Specifically this-

Standardized the chance an ability has to apply a secondary effect, such as burning, chilled, or concussed. These chances are:
Weapon enchants 20%
Standard ability 10%
Area of effect abilities 5%
Damage over time abilities 3%
Area of effect damage over time abilities 1%

And then charged adds another %to that.

specifically again, the destro staff pasive just doubles the proc chance of Burning, Concussion, and Chilled. nothing else.

for information on what those status effects do, the best information i have found is this-

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/111840/status-effects-and-you

or this

http://esoacademy.com/faq/what-are-types-of-damage/