Any way Low Skill Templar players defend Radiant Destruction is really pityful.

The ability is not balanced and at the very least needs tweaking (execute range, cast range, cost, etc...).
More precisely, the ability is somehow balanced 1v1 BUT the most important issue is that it is the most unskilled ability in the game.

It blows my mind how this came to live. How on earth, this can hurt like an ultimate, be highly and undefinitely spammable, non dodgeable, without any counterpart or risk associated except being interrupted once.

Radiant Destruction is easier, safer and uncomparatively stronger than a light attack AND requires less skill.

Light attacks can be dodged, are vulnerable to line of sight (RD does not break on Line of sight) and requires melee range for half the weapon sets.

Come on!

sluice wrote: »

@Francescolg
@SadieJoan

What about this clip?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnSa-bdZfHE&feature=gp-n-y&google_comment_id=z12dwlwbckbrijb3p225sl44akylxlq05

Yeah I f*** up, as I was so suprised to be taken out of stealth, I dodged rolled instead of putting Vigor. When I put vigor @25% health, it's already too late. But it wouldn't change anything at this point, even if I would already have vigor applied before the beam.

Look at the initial hit of the beam (3923 damage! @ like 97% health)

Now tell me again that you can't nail someone from 50% to zero in ~2 seconds, and look how long I last between 55% to 0.

This is not a tanky build, obviously but I still have:
-about 2.2k crit resistance
-about 11.5 magic resistance
-All CP160 gear purple gear
-CP501 character (20 into think skinned, 50 Elemental Defender)

Ok, I will admit that one did hit very hard but generally, it does not do that much damage in pvp.

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This is an FTC report from last night when I used RD as a finisher twice when the guy was low health, because he managed to block the first one, it was 100% crit, and both times COMBINED did 10k damage to him... It even states that the AVERAGE I hit him for with it was 5k, doesn't seem OP to me

Are you telling me that other classes have not hit you that hard? I have had DK's and NB's gap close onto me and stun me, and then finish me of with just a couple of skills and I can't do anything about it, and even had sorcerers who are apparently in a bad spot hit me harder than RD, and I AM rather tanky, despite wearing light and medium armour on my main templar

Just because templars can put up a decent fight against OP stamina classes, that does not make them OP, it makes them balanced. If it were up to me, stupid sets that make our class look bad would be nerfed to hell or deleted entirely, and magicka nb's and magicka sorcerers would receive huge buffs to make them on par with templar, so that stamina classes could cry about them not being easy kills too

SadieJoan wrote: »

genjutsu_kami wrote: »

sluice wrote: »

@Francescolg
@SadieJoan

What about this clip?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnSa-bdZfHE&feature=gp-n-y&google_comment_id=z12dwlwbckbrijb3p225sl44akylxlq05

Yeah I f*** up, as I was so suprised to be taken out of stealth, I dodged rolled instead of putting Vigor. When I put vigor @25% health, it's already too late. But it wouldn't change anything at this point, even if I would already have vigor applied before the beam.

Look at the initial hit of the beam (3923 damage! @ like 97% health)

Now tell me again that you can't nail someone from 50% to zero in ~2 seconds, and look how long I last between 55% to 0.

This is not a tanky build, obviously but I still have:
-about 2.2k crit resistance
-about 11.5 magic resistance
-All CP160 gear purple gear
-CP501 character (20 into think skinned, 50 Elemental Defender)

it took 2 fu...cking seconds to down him does that seem fair ????

I don't understand how, especially after the new update, anyone could get hit with RD that hard. Either this was recorded before the update OR this guy does not have as much in the way of resistances as he claims. Either way, a 30 second clip means nothing in the grand scheme of things.

If you choose to enter cyrodiil as a glass canon, with all in damage and nothing in defence, you probably will be hit much harder, but 17k is not normal or usual even then... I think I give up on this conversation now anyway, its completely futile. No point trying to defend my class to people who don't seem to be able to comprehend anything beyond their own OP stamina sheep.

I just pray that zenimax has more sense than most of the people on here who want a skill nerfed to make 1vX-ing easier for them, and nerf stamina in to the ground and buff magicka classes, which is the only thing that is sucking the fun out of pvp and causing it to be an uneven playing field right now.

Have a good day!

This was recorded this past week-end or this Monday.. It's the Dark Brotherhood patch on PS4.

Gargath wrote: »

genjutsu_kami wrote: »

maybe this will clarify or the very least humble your one sided mind to the real problem.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPfI1UrlChs

This particular example looks more like a bug to me, my radiant opression doesn't work that way.
I can't do 20k damage in less than a second when player has 72% health. In my game players hp drops much slower on my radiant.

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@sluice

First off get a combat log so we can see what actually happened.

Second, you have 20k health in Cyro... You're a baddie. I doubt it mattered who got to you, you'd have died quicker to any stam toon.

20k.... Lol. Put some health on man, glass cannons are dumb. Doesn't matter how much boom you have if you don't live long enough to use it.

sluice wrote: »

@Francescolg
@SadieJoan

What about this clip?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnSa-bdZfHE&feature=gp-n-y&google_comment_id=z12dwlwbckbrijb3p225sl44akylxlq05

Yeah I f*** up, as I was so suprised to be taken out of stealth, I dodged rolled instead of putting Vigor. When I put vigor @25% health, it's already too late. But it wouldn't change anything at this point, even if I would already have vigor applied before the beam.

Look at the initial hit of the beam (3923 damage! @ like 97% health)

Now tell me again that you can't nail someone from 50% to zero in ~2 seconds, and look how long I last between 55% to 0.

This is not a tanky build, obviously but I still have:
-about 2.2k crit resistance
-about 11.5 magic resistance
-All CP160 gear purple gear
-CP501 character (20 into think skinned, 50 Elemental Defender)

O dear. LMAO. THis is great! ROFL

[TL;DR] This video is a perfect example of the overhype and misunderstanding that is involved in the community at large concerning this ability. Although I amaware this does not represent everyones knowledge who is calling for a nerf of this ability, it is the majority of them imo.

-This is the perfect example of poor gameplay against RD. and a perfect example of how low the damage is.
-This is a perfect example of how many of you play when encountering this attack and then turn around and say it is OP.
-This is also a perfect illustartion of people not really taking a closer look at how they died and blame it on one thing when really much more was happening behind the scenes.

Let me explain...
We will start with the numbers behind this and move to the sloppy reaction.

Ok so your combat scrolling text was as follows:
581, 2537, 512, 3932, 581 [heal], 427, 2743, 4151, 537 [heal], 7053

Your combat log after death was 2,391 (Blazing), 512 (blazing pulse), 2537 (burning light proc), 1008 (Entropy), 17,870 (RD)

Do you see a problem here>? Blazing is not on the scrolling combat log so you dont see that damage there but the damage occurred. As for proof look at your death recap, the visual on the ground and the facted that you were stunned. So at right from the beginning you were hit with 2,391.

Now look at the timing of the attacks. At the same time you were hit with blazing (2391) you were hit a burning light proc (2537), Blazing pulse (512), and initial hit of RD (3932). That is 9,432 damage in a combo move (and lucky proc) to drop you to nearly half health. Notice the initial hit of a buffed RD is (3932). A fair number for the initial hit and when compared to hits from dps abilities is very underwhelming. Keep in mind this is initial damage and not tick damage which is biggest part of ability.

Now lest look at these numbers again and add in what attack is associated with those numbers:
581--Entropy: meaningless attack that you healed before real attack;
2,391--Blazing: did not appear on scrolling log but did occur as discussed above;
2537--Burning light proc
512--Blazing Pulse
3932--RD initial hit
581 [heal]
427--Entropy
2743--RD tick (obviously a low tick and noting to get on about)
{at this point your health is at 41%}
4151--RD tick (hits barely more than the intial hit and still fairly underwhelming for a dps ability and occurs in execute range)
537 [heal]
7053--RD tick (killing blow) (you had merely 5k health left at this point and any execute should kill you at this point. Not to mention it still executed you for less than other executes even on the final tick)

You see how the numbers show that RD was not that crazy afterall. Heck, the combo move brought you to half health and that was not all RD. It was barely half that. You got hit with a combo and unlucky proc that brought you to the proper range for the attack.

Now lets move onto your sloppy gameplay which was the real death of you.

1. You got hit with entropy seconds before getting attacked. between the loss of health, scrolling log, and in game ques you should have noticed and been aware of your surrounding especially with a flagged keep nearby.
2. There was not much you could do about the combo attack and proc since you failed to notice step one, but your reaction was terrible. You know full well that you cant dodge it, but yet there you are trying to dodge it with no los around in which you are even going to. You basically just flop over and take it.
3. you had cloak on your bar with plenty of mag and failed to utilize one of the best hard counters in the game for RD.
4. you failed to block
5. you failed to activate vigor in connection with block or cloak
6. you failed to activate rally which you activated before combat and was ready to give you a decent burst heal which could have been done while blocking or cloaking
7. You froze and had poor reaction cause RD scared you rather than reacting

This video is the exact thing that many people try to use as to why RD is op. People fail to see the combos and learn from their deaths. They fail to have situational awareness. They fail to react properlly as mentioned above. The list goes on. But then you guys try and turn around as use this mentality to change the game.

Heck go look at syphers video where he was getting RD by 4 people or 5 at once. Sure he is better than your average and probably facing scrubs, but is that a real counter argument. Afterall, the people ragin in these forums about it say that it is an easy "I win" button so shouldnt trash players be able to just be good and dominate be spamming it in groups.

The numbers in this video are hardly outrageous when you break them down to see what is going on. On top of that it is poor gameplay which is a l2p moment.

@sluice

Ahh, well i guess no combat log for you. Long live the Master Race.

Regardless, 20k hp and 11k resists is not even close to competitive for Cyro. I did the same thing when i started playing and was abused by every class... So calling for a nerf when your build is sub-optimal (putting it nicely there) is like complaining about losing a race against a Porsche when you driving a bug.

I know it's not exactly the same but all those peeps complaining go try vet maelstrom with your current build, lets see how you do. Personally i got destroyed with my glass build, both because I was bad and because my build sucked. I made significant changes, did research, learned to play better, quicker responses, better mitigation, etc... I get much further in vet mael now and coincidentally do way better in Cyro.

Just because you want to set your toon up a certain way doesn't mean the rest of us have to pay the price for it.

Hempyre wrote: »

@sluice

First off get a combat log so we can see what actually happened.

Second, you have 20k health in Cyro... You're a baddie. I doubt it mattered who got to you, you'd have died quicker to any stam toon.

20k.... Lol. Put some health on man, glass cannons are dumb. Doesn't matter how much boom you have if you don't live long enough to use it.

Really? Put glyphs or attributes into health? MAYBE for a healthpar but no other build recommends this advice

Also isn't the vid xbox? No combat log for,consoles or buff timers...

@Waffennacht

Ya? How those recommendations working out for ya?

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For every build in Cyro. Period.

@Hemprye me personally? Just fine actually, I haven't had the problems with RD others have had.

The templar that got me last night was hitting me for 6k jabs, after PvP reduction, after all mitigation, non-critical strike... spammed and AC'ed I believe...

I gots melted against him. But that's not a RD issue, that's more of a L2P issue.