Malestorm Weapons should have a very small chance to drop in normal MSA!!

Bigevilpeter · August 2016

Seriously the weapon effects are so powerful that its make a huge gap between those who have them and those who don't.
There is really no other way to get it, you can'y buy it you can't trade it and friends can't help you.

Let the weapons have a small chance to drop in normal MSA and in blue and make them like now 100% chance in veteran and can drop in yellow, just like all other items in the game. Even a cp150 drop would be fine.

Also there will always be leader boards and scores in veteran mode, but MSA weapons are just too strong to be so hard to get

Lieblingsjunge · August 2016

That's why they're strong, though. They're hard to get. And you can even use Master's-weapons from vDSA. At least there you're 4 in it together

If it would be easy to aquire the high-end gear, that would be silly. You gotta expect you need to work for something. And EVERYONE can do vMA. Just practise :>

Junipus · August 2016

What class and what resource are you using? Can give you builds ranging from simple cheap crafted to high end content drops to help. Then it's just remembering the mechanics and vet mode is doable.

Bigevilpeter · August 2016

Junipus wrote: »

What class and what resource are you using? Can give you builds ranging from simple cheap crafted to high end content drops to help. Then it's just remembering the mechanics and vet mode is doable.

Well I have 2 options a magika templar healer and a stamina dk dps.

For templar im using spellpower cure/willpower and a couple of seducer pieces for regen.

For stam DK im using viper/morag tong +kena helm (almost got VO for VO/viper)

Bigevilpeter · August 2016

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Junipus wrote: »

What class and what resource are you using? Can give you builds ranging from simple cheap crafted to high end content drops to help. Then it's just remembering the mechanics and vet mode is doable.

Well I have 2 options a magika templar healer and a stamina dk dps.

For templar im using spellpower cure/willpower and a couple of seducer pieces for regen.

For stam DK im using viper/morag tong +kena helm (almost got VO for VO/viper)

Also got a templar tank but thats not an option or a stam NB but no specific sets on her, just random stuff

Voxicity · August 2016

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

That's why they're strong, though. They're hard to get. And you can even use Master's-weapons from vDSA. At least there you're 4 in it together

If it would be easy to aquire the high-end gear, that would be silly. You gotta expect you need to work for something. And EVERYONE can do vMA. Just practise :>

I disagree. In my opinion the hardest content in the game should drop only gear that's marginally stronger, not so much stronger that it's pretty much guaranteed for most successful builds.

Then again I understand ZOS's reasoning to put such powerful gear behind this wall because it forces people who have no interest in hard solo content to play it. Otherwise there wouldn't be that much interest or people playing MSA.

Bigevilpeter · August 2016

KaiVox22 wrote: »

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

That's why they're strong, though. They're hard to get. And you can even use Master's-weapons from vDSA. At least there you're 4 in it together

If it would be easy to aquire the high-end gear, that would be silly. You gotta expect you need to work for something. And EVERYONE can do vMA. Just practise :>

I disagree. In my opinion the hardest content in the game should drop only gear that's marginally stronger, not so much stronger that it's pretty much guaranteed for most successful builds.

Thank you that was what I wanted to say. The gap is too huge to block it under such a difficult solo content

Junipus · August 2016

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Junipus wrote: »

What class and what resource are you using? Can give you builds ranging from simple cheap crafted to high end content drops to help. Then it's just remembering the mechanics and vet mode is doable.

Well I have 2 options a magika templar healer and a stamina dk dps.

For templar im using spellpower cure/willpower and a couple of seducer pieces for regen.

For stam DK im using viper/morag tong +kena helm (almost got VO for VO/viper)

Your magicka templar is probably the easiest to play with. Just put down your channeled focus and ritual of retribution for heals/regen and puncturing sweeps everything to death. If you learn from practice where things spawn you can jabs them as soon as the portal appears. Then it's just RNG luck with the ice and poison stages.

bigz888 · August 2016

They should never drop in normal mode. Normal mode is way too easy, u can't possibly die on it. Stop looking for easy ways out.
I've only completed vet maelstrom last week for first time. It's a grind but if u want the best gear u Gta earn it. Plus if u had enough for one day, just leave n carry on another day. That's y they added the save to it
Good luck

Omgwtfbbq321 · August 2016

Make Maelstrom a local-to-console doungon and keep ithe weapons vet-only obtainable. Once you have enough CP and the right gear/knowledge, it's not that bad. What's bad is connection/ping making a huge difference in difficulty.

Lieblingsjunge · August 2016

KaiVox22 wrote: »

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

That's why they're strong, though. They're hard to get. And you can even use Master's-weapons from vDSA. At least there you're 4 in it together

If it would be easy to aquire the high-end gear, that would be silly. You gotta expect you need to work for something. And EVERYONE can do vMA. Just practise :>

I disagree. In my opinion the hardest content in the game should drop only gear that's marginally stronger, not so much stronger that it's pretty much guaranteed for most successful builds.

Then again I understand ZOS's reasoning to put such powerful gear behind this wall because it forces people who have no interest in hard solo content to play it. Otherwise there wouldn't be that much interest or people playing MSA.

It's only marginally stronger. It's not critical to not have it. You might do a bit less Deeps in PvE, but that's about it. And a bit less dmg in PvP. Butif you aim for end-game content, clearing vMA should be one of the things you should do. If you don't plan on going end-game content, you don't really need the weapons, either. It's such a small difference, no one will care whether you have the weapons or not.

soll · August 2016

NO!

this is challenge, with special reward. stop to ask about BIS items to drop easier/faster because you can't farm them properly or you don't have time, or simply lazy.

laksikus · August 2016

anyone can pull 25k dps without maelstrom weapons. and thats enough to beat almost every content in the game.

and v15 mealstrom weapons in normal, would be totally stupid, cos nearly every gold v16 weapon with damage enchant would be better than v15 maelstrom, except maybe bow on back bar

DRXHarbinger · August 2016

Lol 100 chance to drop now and noobs still want an easy mode. Go back to when you had 100 armour drops, 40 jewelery drops and then weapons see how hard it used to be. Stam dk takes an hour tops to clear.

Drop viper for VO and go get vigor and done. It's not hard it's just long and irritating. Normal adds die with one heavy attack.

DPShiro · August 2016

NO!

End game weapons shouldn't be handed out freely.
Normal Maelstrom is a joke and the reward should reflect that.

boldscot · August 2016

I think they should drop from the enemies in the starter zones.

That way everyone gets one, yay!

RinaldoGandolphi · August 2016

I'll say no.

VMA is not impossible, I wouldn't even say it's hard. It's just a challenge of problem solving skills and patience. It's not so hard that it's impossible for someone to beat.

There is a save feature now so learn 1 round per week. Don't stress yourself out about it. Just complete a round per week. After your 1st clear successive clears become significantly easier. You can do it, and it will be worth it when you do beat it.

Jimmy · August 2016

Please stop with the "easy mode" threads. All these GIMME GIMME threads are out of control. If you're not good enough to to complete the toughest content in the game, you don't deserve to acquire the best weapons in the game.

Put the time into learning the mechanics and learning the rounds and you'll eventually get to the point you'll wonder how you've been dying over and over. You'll take a challenge that originally may have taken you 2 months to complete and take it down to 2 hours. It's all about repetition and determination to learn and get better.

My first Maelstrom clear took me 2 months. 1 month of last boss alone. Now....... now I beat the entire arena in an hour and a half and I can one shot the last boss.

Why? Because I've put the time into it to be able to anticipate everything now instead of reacting to everything and that makes a world of difference.

Cously · August 2016

I have a mixed view on that. Whilst it makes sense that powerful weapons can only be obtained by those who face greater challenges, there is an inconsistency with trials and other dungeons. Normal trials ARE easy mode and you can get basically the same rewards as Veteran mode except the gold jewelry. So it would make sense for MSA drop a weapon. Maybe blue? Maybe CP 150? Maybe 1% chance? Maybe include Prosperous and Training just for the normal version? I'm for standardizing the content. Even with MSA being very easy, having those barriers I mentioned above will make grind for a perfect MSA weapon painful and not as rewarding enough as grind the VMSA, yet would allow less skilled / persistent players to get a weaker version of the master weapon. I believe that would make both audiences happy.

jakeedmundson · August 2016

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

I'll say no.

VMA is not impossible, I wouldn't even say it's hard. It's just a challenge of problem solving skills and patience. It's not so hard that it's impossible for someone to beat.

There is a save feature now so learn 1 round per week. Don't stress yourself out about it. Just complete a round per week. After your 1st clear successive clears become significantly easier. You can do it, and it will be worth it when you do beat it.

Patience is the key word... i can only get to round 4 (that's where i've stopped anyway) because it takes so long to get through one round plus the cost of repairs is kinda crazy. I appreciate that it is difficult for those that want it, but locking the best gear behind some crap solo content was a horrible concept... plus, most don't come to play an MMO to do hours upon hours of single player work just for a CHANCE at a weapon they might use... especially after you hear the horrors stories about people doing dozens of runs and not even getting a weapon they want with a BAD trait...

The only reason they put that gear in there... is because they knew no one would play it otherwise. Everything about orsinium was awesome, except that mal arena.

I agree that there should be another way to get the gear (be it token system per round, another venue, etc.)... but dropping in normal is probably not the way to go. I can walk through normal mode with both of my characters. On vet i get around half way through and i get annoyed with the one shots and repairs..
The new DSA weapons won't be that great... but at least its something we can get from 4-person content.

MaxwellC · August 2016

@Bigevilpeter
Nope they shouldn't at all and no they shouldn't drop at CP 150 or anything close at all. If you can't do vet maelstrom like any other class than that's your fault. I'm a Stam DK and supposedly that's the hardest class to complete vMSA on but I'm still able to do it by doing one thing; LEARNING the MECHANICS. If you can't do it then that's a L2P issue and you need to keep trying instead of expecting everything in this game to be spoon fed to you when you can't complete it.

mb10 · August 2016

nah l2p

DRXHarbinger · August 2016

Repair cost????? 100 gold a round tops. This has been out for almost a year now and I can't believe some people haven't even completed this yet. All you need to do is burn burn burn everything except runa. But when I hear people say I am trying on my healer.....well it shouldn't be a healer. 680 mats for a Julianos set isn't hard to come by at all.

Darlon · August 2016

While I wouldn't be dead set against normal mode dropping cp150 maelstrom weapons (just like ndsa used to drop v13 master weapons ?), it would be kinda pointless since a crafted cp160 (gold) weapon with the right enchant would just be better.

Normal mode dropping cp160 weapons would be a no for me... the difference between normal and vet is just to big for that.

luen79rwb17_ESO · August 2016

Maelstrom weapons should drop from crafting writs

Milvan · August 2016

Casuals scrolls attacks again.

No. Best gear should require major effort to get. You casuals scrolls already got the normal trials to drop the same loot of the veteran version. Please don't touch our arena.

code65536 · August 2016

bigz888 wrote: »

They should never drop in normal mode. Normal mode is way too easy, u can't possibly die on it. Stop looking for easy ways out.
I've only completed vet maelstrom last week for first time. It's a grind but if u want the best gear u Gta earn it. Plus if u had enough for one day, just leave n carry on another day. That's y they added the save to it
Good luck

Go into normal Maelstrom naked with only weapons (not even jewelry)--and you'll find that it's still easier than vet. Unless they buff normal's difficulty by a lot or nerf the weapons that drop to normal (make them CR140), weapon drops from normal make absolutely no sense.

Skinzz · August 2016

Vmsa made me smash controllers but NO. Weapons should only drop from veteran mode. Normal mode is a complete joke lol.

Mortehl · August 2016

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

KaiVox22 wrote: »

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

That's why they're strong, though. They're hard to get. And you can even use Master's-weapons from vDSA. At least there you're 4 in it together

If it would be easy to aquire the high-end gear, that would be silly. You gotta expect you need to work for something. And EVERYONE can do vMA. Just practise :>

I disagree. In my opinion the hardest content in the game should drop only gear that's marginally stronger, not so much stronger that it's pretty much guaranteed for most successful builds.

Thank you that was what I wanted to say. The gap is too huge to block it under such a difficult solo content

I know right! It should be somewhere that people who don't invest the time to learn it can be quickly carried to success by others! Seriously, vmsa is one of the actually hard things to do. Stop whining about it and go beat it.

Bobby_V_Rockit · August 2016

Nah, lemme buy it from guild traders though

AGrz5585 · August 2016

I'll go ahead and say sure to nma dropping maelstrom weapons...

But only in decisive, charged, and training traits