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Radiant Destruction, nerf it or I quit.

  • juhasman
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    Destyran wrote: »
    juhasman wrote: »
    Destyran wrote: »
    Yeah just l2p if this skill gets nerfed templar will not be a competitive pve class any more. It probably only hits for 6k in execute and since it shows the channel tick you completly ognor that big dragon leap or wb or snipe that landed and blame jb when you can literally heavy attack dbos and use any random ability to kill someone but if jb is in that recap its too op. Please pipe down children and just accept you cant 1vx because your trash i know its a hard concept to grasp but maybe you shouldnt be in that situation by your self while there is 3-4 ppl hitting on you while a temp jb from the back just git gud or l2p. I personally havent had a problem with this skill peiple who use it are generally idiots and so are the people playing with them. If you are having trouble with thos just man up admit you suck and avoid those scenarios in the future
    Lower the range and make RD hits 350% more dmg when enemie is under 25% hp not ,,up to" 330% while enemie is under 50%. DPS in PvE will not change at all templar will be competitive and in PvE and on PvP RD will be finally work like execute should.

    It really only is good frim 35-30% in pve its trash from 50%

    I think You dont get the point here.
    Edited by juhasman on August 14, 2016 4:04PM
  • Destyran
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    juhasman wrote: »
    Destyran wrote: »
    juhasman wrote: »
    Destyran wrote: »
    Yeah just l2p if this skill gets nerfed templar will not be a competitive pve class any more. It probably only hits for 6k in execute and since it shows the channel tick you completly ognor that big dragon leap or wb or snipe that landed and blame jb when you can literally heavy attack dbos and use any random ability to kill someone but if jb is in that recap its too op. Please pipe down children and just accept you cant 1vx because your trash i know its a hard concept to grasp but maybe you shouldnt be in that situation by your self while there is 3-4 ppl hitting on you while a temp jb from the back just git gud or l2p. I personally havent had a problem with this skill peiple who use it are generally idiots and so are the people playing with them. If you are having trouble with thos just man up admit you suck and avoid those scenarios in the future
    Lower the range and make RD hits 350% more dmg when enemie is under 25% hp not ,,up to" 330% while enemie is under 50%. DPS in PvE will not change at all templar will be competitive and in PvE and on PvP RD will be finally work like execute should.

    It really only is good frim 35-30% in pve its trash from 50%

    I think You dont get the point here.

    I dont think you get the point it doesnt execute at 50% its broken. Its more like 30% and in pvp based on you health it hits for most likley 6-8k its fine nerf the range if we must but this truly is a l2p issue all these stambuilds that are soo op to everything watch streamers and think they can 1vx and when they dodgeroll spamming rally vigor with shuffle and they still get hit they get salty because they dont wanna admit they suck a d cant 1vx fir shir
  • juhasman
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    Destyran wrote: »
    juhasman wrote: »
    Destyran wrote: »
    juhasman wrote: »
    Destyran wrote: »
    Yeah just l2p if this skill gets nerfed templar will not be a competitive pve class any more. It probably only hits for 6k in execute and since it shows the channel tick you completly ognor that big dragon leap or wb or snipe that landed and blame jb when you can literally heavy attack dbos and use any random ability to kill someone but if jb is in that recap its too op. Please pipe down children and just accept you cant 1vx because your trash i know its a hard concept to grasp but maybe you shouldnt be in that situation by your self while there is 3-4 ppl hitting on you while a temp jb from the back just git gud or l2p. I personally havent had a problem with this skill peiple who use it are generally idiots and so are the people playing with them. If you are having trouble with thos just man up admit you suck and avoid those scenarios in the future
    Lower the range and make RD hits 350% more dmg when enemie is under 25% hp not ,,up to" 330% while enemie is under 50%. DPS in PvE will not change at all templar will be competitive and in PvE and on PvP RD will be finally work like execute should.

    It really only is good frim 35-30% in pve its trash from 50%

    I think You dont get the point here.

    I dont think you get the point it doesnt execute at 50% its broken. Its more like 30% and in pvp based on you health it hits for most likley 6-8k its fine nerf the range if we must but this truly is a l2p issue all these stambuilds that are soo op to everything watch streamers and think they can 1vx and when they dodgeroll spamming rally vigor with shuffle and they still get hit they get salty because they dont wanna admit they suck a d cant 1vx fir shir

    Ehh.. You still dont get the point. Please read my 1st post then use calculator and come when You get the point. Why You giving me PvP examples when I posted my idea of changes due to Your fear of PvE templar beeing not competitive? And if You want to talk about PvP then YES. 50% execute range is really painfull in PvP and it really does big dmg when You fall under 50% comparing to other executes. Also You can click one button that at 50% deals dmg like other spammable abilities and when hp gets lower and lower it start to deal huge dmg. And all that with 1 button when other builds would need to click few skill combos to finally be able to execute You. My idea of changes doesnt change overall dmg of executing and PvE DPS will stay the same. Use calculator then You'll get the point.
    Edited by juhasman on August 14, 2016 4:27PM
  • Elara_Northwind
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    I got hit by uppercut for almost 18k in pvp last night. Damn, I wish my beam could do damage like that :blush:
    Edited by Elara_Northwind on August 14, 2016 4:50PM
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  • Solariken
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    juhasman wrote: »
    Solariken wrote: »
    Radiant tears are delicious.

    Just curious, why does this skill make you rage more than Mage's Fury?

    How many mages fury brainless casters who will kill You in the same second Your hp gets under 50% You saw on PvP? Mages fury can be dodged, purged , and it's execute range starts at 20% that's 30% less then radiant execute range. No hate here just simple facts.

    My man, you must be running around naked if Radiant is killing you when you dip below 50% HP.

    Is it the best execute in the game? Probably. But it should be obvious that if your health falls below ~30%, every decent player in the vicinity is going to try to execute you. If you really have this big of a problem with it, you need to learn to block-cast heals or CC whenever your health falls into execute range. It's one of the best PvP habits you can form and it will save your ass. RD will almost never kill you if you adopt this tactic (and you have the resources to do it).
  • Dredlord
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    Thelon wrote: »
    18wbdh.jpg

    Hahahahaha
  • Cinbri
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    I kinda wonder whos great idea was to add Blinding Light animation to stone-shooting adds in Mazzatun..
    You know, it painfull for templar-veterans to watch on it everytime when clearing this dung.
  • danno8
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    omg an execute skill executed me! nerf it

    Remember guys, it's an execute.

    https://youtu.be/rPfI1UrlChs

    So what killed FENGRUSH in that video?

    Technically it may have been RD, but I will give you a hint; the real problem rhymes with shmealth shmesync.

    Did you guess it? Here is another hint; shmark shmlare <---didn't register on health bar.
  • Wreuntzylla
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    Oh boy. Fengush died to RD. There is going to be even more threads now.

    Well 91k Radiant Oppression..! Seems like that guy was cheating or something. Now I know that all the ticks are added up on the tooltip, but I've never seen something that high.

    What video are you looking at? Not 91k and not radiant oppression....
  • SleepyTroll
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    danno8 wrote: »
    omg an execute skill executed me! nerf it

    Remember guys, it's an execute.

    https://youtu.be/rPfI1UrlChs

    So what killed FENGRUSH in that video?

    Technically it may have been RD, but I will give you a hint; the real problem rhymes with shmealth shmesync.

    Did you guess it? Here is another hint; shmark shmlare <---didn't register on health bar.

    They refuse to open their eyes and actually watch the video. They rather just stay ignorant and spread false information.

    death report says 11k, his combat thingy in the top left says two 5k ticks. I agree Health dysinc.
    Edited by SleepyTroll on August 15, 2016 5:18AM
  • dodgehopper_ESO
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    Solariken wrote: »
    Solariken wrote: »
    Radiant tears are delicious.

    Just curious, why does this skill make you rage more than Mage's Fury?

    I don't see groups of sorcs spamming Mage's fury, or groups of Nightblades spamming impale. You know why? Because it wouldn't be effective. This is why RD needs to be nerfed. This ability hits way too hard for an execute, as well as too early. Get rid of the double dipping from the champion system, reduce the execute damage health range to 20 or 25% and it will be balanced.

    @Strider_Roshin you're crazy brah, very time I run into a zerg I get tagged with 2-3 Mages Fury and if I do die I almost always see MF with Disintegrate procs. I see it happen every bit as often as Radiant. People love to ninja the kb for that sick ulti gen.

    I think people just get so ragey with Radiant because it's such an obnoxious beam at all times whereas Mages Fury is just an innocent sprinkle of fairy sparks at first but then at threshold BAM! you blow to smithereens.

    RD is more imposing and noticeable, which I personally find to be a flaw of the Templar skill line. Templars telegraph and light up like a Christmas tree. Its one reason I rather the warrior-Templar style.
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  • kylewwefan
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    Bye. Would you care to support a PvE Cyrodil campaign now? Since you can't PvP anymore....
  • sluice
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_zM19tgfa0

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8P-08bsNFs

    'Enough said.

    @WillhelmBlack Kudos to you for being an experience Templar and acknowledging the OPness of it right now.
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  • sluice
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    SadieJoan wrote: »
    I got hit by uppercut for almost 18k in pvp last night. Damn, I wish my beam could do damage like that :blush:

    LOL

    What's your crit resistance? -8000 ?
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  • Paneross
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    @Wrobel

    You seriously need to step inside Cyrodiil and take a look. This is not a fun PvP experience, there are swarms of Templars with no shame or talent using 1 skill alone.

    Goodbye, it was nice not knowing you.
  • starlizard70ub17_ESO
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    kylewwefan wrote: »
    Bye. Would you care to support a PvE Cyrodil campaign now? Since you can't PvP anymore....

    Maybe if enough PvPers rage quit over skills they refuse to learn to counter, we might finally get a PvE Cyrodil campaign. Then the dozen or so PvPers left in PvP campaigns will sit around wondering what happened.

    Beware of what nerfs you ask for, you might just get them. >:)
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  • sluice
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    kylewwefan wrote: »
    Bye. Would you care to support a PvE Cyrodil campaign now? Since you can't PvP anymore....

    Maybe if enough PvPers rage quit over skills they refuse to learn to counter, we might finally get a PvE Cyrodil campaign. Then the dozen or so PvPers left in PvP campaigns will sit around wondering what happened.

    Beware of what nerfs you ask for, you might just get them. >:)

    I'll vote for Cyrodiil Campaign as soon as we have PVP Dungeons and Trials!

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  • Airyus
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    Lots to agree with here but the best thing is to learn to adapt. LOS, put distance between you, find that range skill with an interrupt.

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  • EnOeZ
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    @Wrobel

    You seriously need to step inside Cyrodiil and take a look. This is not a fun PvP experience, there are swarms of Templars with no shame or talent using 1 skill alone.

    +1

    The Radiant Destruction "skill" requiring precisely less skill than a light attack.

    If you realise :
    • LA can be dodged
    • LA needs to drop block
    • LA needs melee range (for some weapons ofc)

    Radiant Destruction ? Point and Click.

    This is bad design for a "skill" than can do 34K damage on a full impen purple heavy character in one cast.
    Edited by EnOeZ on August 15, 2016 2:04PM
  • Destruent
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    EnOeZ wrote: »
    @Wrobel

    You seriously need to step inside Cyrodiil and take a look. This is not a fun PvP experience, there are swarms of Templars with no shame or talent using 1 skill alone.

    +1

    The Radiant Destruction "skill" requiring precisely less skill than a light attack.

    If you realise :
    • LA can be dodged
    • LA needs to drop block
    • LA needs melee range (for some weapons ofc)

    Radiant Destruction ? Point and Click.

    This is bad design for a "skill" than can do 34K damage on a full impen purple heavy character in one cast.

    Radiant destruction:
    - can be purged
    - needs to drop block
    - costs magicka
    - has the same range as ranged weapons

    34k/3sec is 11.3k DPS, i guess with LA/executioner you can do more in execution range.
    ZOS stated numerous times, that they are fine with the state of RD, it also got nerfed compared to 1.6 (and passively buffed with CP system, but you can now also mitigate it with 2 perks)

    Better compare RD to lightning heavy attacks:
    - hits for 5...10k per hit
    - can't be dodged
    - restores magicka
    - 28m range out of cyrodiil
    - passive execute on sorcs
    - AoE-dmg
    - gets buffed/mitigated by 3 perks

    Have fun :)
    Noobplar
  • AfkNinja
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    All of you need to stop arguing. It's literally beyond pointless. Anecdotal evidence proves nothing and you're literally arguing with people who have no power to change the game. NONE.

    IF you want something to change you need to start thinking with your brain and not your emotions. Use the scientific method, gather hard reproducible facts. Combat logs, posted builds, videos of tests with the scientific method applied multiple times. SHOW ZOS THE PROBLEM OR THEY WILL IGNORE YOU.

    The videos you are posting are garbage. NO builds, no combat logs, health desyncing. Seriously, think about it from their perspective, you just appear to be complaining cause you died, you're not posting up repeatable tests and real evidence. It makes no sense.

    ZOS has looked at the skill and they think it's fine, you'd probly be more successful asking for cheaper purge or a stamina purge etc. Expanded counters etc.

    Start thinking like a math nerd and show them with math.
  • sluice
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    AfkNinja wrote: »
    All of you need to stop arguing. It's literally beyond pointless. Anecdotal evidence proves nothing and you're literally arguing with people who have no power to change the game. NONE.

    IF you want something to change you need to start thinking with your brain and not your emotions. Use the scientific method, gather hard reproducible facts. Combat logs, posted builds, videos of tests with the scientific method applied multiple times. SHOW ZOS THE PROBLEM OR THEY WILL IGNORE YOU.

    The videos you are posting are garbage. NO builds, no combat logs, health desyncing. Seriously, think about it from their perspective, you just appear to be complaining cause you died, you're not posting up repeatable tests and real evidence. It makes no sense.

    ZOS has looked at the skill and they think it's fine, you'd probly be more successful asking for cheaper purge or a stamina purge etc. Expanded counters etc.

    Start thinking like a math nerd and show them with math.

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  • hairahcas
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    How are these threads still a thing?
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  • WillhelmBlack
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    hairahcas wrote: »
    How are these threads still a thing?

    Pretty simple, players just telling devs the reason why they're leaving the game. In this case (a popular one), it's poor balancing decisions. Hence tagging Wrobel.
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  • Minalan
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    You know what's *real* funny? Running into a Templar solo that spams radiant destruction on you when you have full health. With shields up...

    *cracks knuckles* Poor Little zergling. That's not going to work here. And this lesson is going to hurt.

  • Thelon
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    AfkNinja wrote: »
    ZOS has looked at the skill and they think it's fine
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  • Takes-No-Prisoner
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    I died to this yesterday,
    but I was in execute range 1.0. So I came back and killed him. 1.0

    I also interrupted someone doing this to me in a zerg. The look on their face was great.

    3.0
  • bowmanz607
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    Bye
  • Wreuntzylla
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    sluice wrote: »
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_zM19tgfa0

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8P-08bsNFs

    'Enough said.

    @WillhelmBlack Kudos to you for being an experience Templar and acknowledging the OPness of it right now.


    Videos with low CP enemy are pointless.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UMM4apG5Rg&quot;]https://youtube.com/watch?v=9UMM4apG5Rg

    For this one, skip to 16:35 to see 2 stam v. 3 templars.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPep74Ixg6M


    Edit: O...M....G... OP STAM!!!!!
    Edited by Wreuntzylla on August 15, 2016 5:42PM
  • danno8
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    danno8 wrote: »
    omg an execute skill executed me! nerf it

    Remember guys, it's an execute.

    https://youtu.be/rPfI1UrlChs

    So what killed FENGRUSH in that video?

    Technically it may have been RD, but I will give you a hint; the real problem rhymes with shmealth shmesync.

    Did you guess it? Here is another hint; shmark shmlare <---didn't register on health bar.

    They refuse to open their eyes and actually watch the video. They rather just stay ignorant and spread false information.

    death report says 11k, his combat thingy in the top left says two 5k ticks. I agree Health dysinc.

    Not like it is hard either. His health is at 25.8k. He gets hit with 11, 13, 5187, 6426. That's it. That's only 11637 damage and yet he dies.

    He even says so himself right in the video:

    "What happened there? Clearly something is wrong with the game there." He knows there was some kind if logical f*** up within the game.

    Bad example of RD op'ness is bad example.
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