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Yes, I am going to keep Hurling Abuse at the Breton Costume.
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Moloch1514✭✭✭✭✭
✭So I finally was able to get a response from ZOS on this (or an official acknowledgement for semantics
) in the Server Down mega-thread.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3241302/#Comment_3241302PC-NA0 -
C4rt3r_H4ll✭✭aheck1111_ESO wrote: »So I finally was able to get a response from ZOS on this (or an official acknowledgement for semantics ) in the Server Down mega-thread.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3241302/#Comment_3241302
We did it...sort of0 -
Mashille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭'We've read the feedback in that thread. We'll take learnings from it into consideration for future costume designs.'
'Future costume designs'
In other words: 'Lmfao, ZOS already got the money, of course we're not gonna fix it, that would actually take time and effort XD'
Well... We lost.
GG Zenimax...
GG.Edited by Mashille on August 6, 2016 11:58PMHouse Baratheon: 'Ours Is The Fury'8 -
Dark_Dread✭✭I've read the feedback from ZOS in that thread. I'll take learnings from that burn into consideration for future crown store purchases. (As in not spending any more money on the crown store.)"Any man can overcome adversity. To truly test a man, give him power."(Thornwolf, Rowan Redwolf~AD)8 -
Inarre✭✭✭✭✭
✭khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »Does no one else remember zos said there will never be capes due to lag. That statement explains everything.
Explains nothing really. Capes dont cause lag. Theyre calculated by the game's client on your computer and have nothing to do with latency. They may (and would) cause lower FPS, however... how hard would it be to have an extra drop down menu in the gameplay settings:
Capes:
- visible
- visible on player's character only
- hidden
And then you could have a secondary menu where youd choose if the capes should be calculated with physics or use a pre-defined skeleton.
You don't have to agree with what they said or like it, and you can argue against the sense of it, but that is likely the reason it is what it is. That's all I'm saying.1 -
Blackbird71✭✭✭khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »Does no one else remember zos said there will never be capes due to lag. That statement explains everything.
Explains nothing really. Capes dont cause lag. Theyre calculated by the game's client on your computer and have nothing to do with latency. They may (and would) cause lower FPS, however... how hard would it be to have an extra drop down menu in the gameplay settings:
Capes:
- visible
- visible on player's character only
- hidden
And then you could have a secondary menu where youd choose if the capes should be calculated with physics or use a pre-defined skeleton.
You don't have to agree with what they said or like it, and you can argue against the sense of it, but that is likely the reason it is what it is. That's all I'm saying.
Sounds much more like an excuse than a legitimate reason; a client-side item should in no way impact lag, so no it is not a reason. A reason has to be real and accurate, not based on a false premise.0 -
UltimaJoe777✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Blackbird71 wrote: »khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »Does no one else remember zos said there will never be capes due to lag. That statement explains everything.
Explains nothing really. Capes dont cause lag. Theyre calculated by the game's client on your computer and have nothing to do with latency. They may (and would) cause lower FPS, however... how hard would it be to have an extra drop down menu in the gameplay settings:
Capes:
- visible
- visible on player's character only
- hidden
And then you could have a secondary menu where youd choose if the capes should be calculated with physics or use a pre-defined skeleton.
You don't have to agree with what they said or like it, and you can argue against the sense of it, but that is likely the reason it is what it is. That's all I'm saying.
Sounds much more like an excuse than a legitimate reason; a client-side item should in no way impact lag, so no it is not a reason. A reason has to be real and accurate, not based on a false premise.
You want the reason they cannot give us capes/cloaks? Well luckily they spoke of it in detail during today's ESO Live in the Ask Us Anything segment! Give it a look-see for your answer.Guildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
Proud Founder of the Yaysay cult! DOWN WITH THE NAYSAY CULT!! #ToxicRemedy0 -
vyndral13preub18_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Blackbird71 wrote: »khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »Does no one else remember zos said there will never be capes due to lag. That statement explains everything.
Explains nothing really. Capes dont cause lag. Theyre calculated by the game's client on your computer and have nothing to do with latency. They may (and would) cause lower FPS, however... how hard would it be to have an extra drop down menu in the gameplay settings:
Capes:
- visible
- visible on player's character only
- hidden
And then you could have a secondary menu where youd choose if the capes should be calculated with physics or use a pre-defined skeleton.
You don't have to agree with what they said or like it, and you can argue against the sense of it, but that is likely the reason it is what it is. That's all I'm saying.
Sounds much more like an excuse than a legitimate reason; a client-side item should in no way impact lag, so no it is not a reason. A reason has to be real and accurate, not based on a false premise.
You want the reason they cannot give us capes/cloaks? Well luckily they spoke of it in detail during today's ESO Live in the Ask Us Anything segment! Give it a look-see for your answer.
It is odd. Hi yes, we cant make cloaks or capes. But we are going to go ahead and put one on this costume.
They should have asked the QA guys sitting there if they thought it was a good idea to go ahead and put into the game, something they admit the game cant do.Edited by vyndral13preub18_ESO on August 13, 2016 12:22AM3 -
Mashille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭It's funny. But this thread and ZOS' reaction to it has changed me.
I've lost the will to post anything anymore. I have so many thread ideas in my head that I want to talk to people about but simply can't be bothered to write / finish them anymore as I know ZOS will do nothing.
Hell, I even have an 11 page long document on how to overhaul IC but can't be bothered to finish it anymore due to loss of will
I don't see a point anymore. As this thread got so big with so much support yet ZOS still decided to not change their actions or do anything.Edited by Mashille on August 13, 2016 10:17AMHouse Baratheon: 'Ours Is The Fury'5 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It's funny. But this thread and ZOS' reaction to it has changed me.
I've lost the will to post anything anymore. I have so many thread ideas in my head that I want to talk to people about but simply can't be bothered to write / finish them anymore as I know ZOS will do nothing.
Hell, I even have an 11 page long document on how to overhaul IC but can't be bothered to finish it anymore.
I don't see a point anymore. As this thread go so big with stop much support yet ZOS still decided to not change their actions or do anything.
Well, an 11 page long suggestion is basically doomed to not be read, if it does not "sell" the advantages in a very comprehensive and easy to understand way on the first page already. This is as well what a scientist has to deal with, when he/she is writing a thesis paper - if the abstract is not comprehensive and makes clear, what the paper is about and what conclusions can be drawn from it, it will most likely not be read in full but in the best case just scanned through and rejected. 11 pages is just too long, IMO - it has to be much shorter to have any chance to be recognized.Edited by Lysette on August 13, 2016 10:08AM0 -
Mashille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭@Lysette
Oh, I was never actually expecting anyone to listen to that one, that was just me thinking to myself how IC could be good. But my point is I used to care and almost enjoy concepting things and discussing things but now. I've completely lost any will to do it.
Edit: it's not 11 pages of just writing it has diagrams and arrows and stuff too making it look real fancy.Edited by Mashille on August 13, 2016 10:14AMHouse Baratheon: 'Ours Is The Fury'0 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭@Lysette
Oh, I was never actually expecting anyone to listen to that one, that was just me thinking to myself how IC could be good. But my point is I used to care and almost enjoy concepting things and discussing things but now. I've completely lost any will to do it.
Edit: it's not 11 pages of just writing it has diagrams and arrows and stuff too making it look real fancy.
I just remembered what my professor in university once said to me - it was something like this - "you are not a novel writer, you are going to be a scientist. So keep it precise, comprehensive and straight to the point. If you cannot say it in a few words, you will most likely not have thought it through well enough" - and i just wanted to let you know about that as well. No pun intended.0 -
Saoirse_Siobhan✭✭✭✭✭quote="ZOS_JessicaFolsom;3241302"]aheck1111_ESO wrote: »Thanks for the updates @ZOS_JessicaFolsom! While we wait, what are your thoughts on the Breton Hero Costume?
In case you've not seen this yet:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/280267/yes-i-am-going-to-keep-hurling-abuse-at-the-breton-costume/p1
We've read the feedback in that thread. We'll take learnings from it into consideration for future costume designs.
So... yep, were stuck with this sorry excuse for a costume with no fixes or improvements. I guess we give up now? They say they're going to take our comments into consideration for future costume designs, but for some reason, I'm definitely not optimistic!Edited by Saoirse_Siobhan on August 13, 2016 10:31AMPC/EU DC2 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The sad part of that comment is, that it is not even like "sorry guys, but we can't help it" - it is just a selfish view on this, they take learnings into consideration (means - maybe we will do better in future, but maybe not) - but they do not apologize for having sold bad quality or take any action to make up for it - and this is really sad.Edited by Lysette on August 13, 2016 10:40AM6 -
Mashille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I mean, would it really be that hard for them to do something that wouldn't result in them making money?
I know people say 'They are a company, they need to make money' but I will once again reference Guild Wars 2 and how it was B2P from the very start and still managed to add Multiple New Zones and New Content without people having to pay for it.
Would it be so hard for ZOS to remake a single Costume for free to show that they care about consumers, when other companies have given out large amount of updates and content completely free?
I guess it is.House Baratheon: 'Ours Is The Fury'5 -
AugustoCP✭✭✭This is shameful. Zenimax pretty much just said "We don't care about your satisfaction, we just want your money."
I won't be buying anthing from the Crown Store anymore.7 -
Moloch1514✭✭✭✭✭
✭I mean, would it really be that hard for them to do something that wouldn't result in them making money?
I know people say 'They are a company, they need to make money' but I will once again reference Guild Wars 2 and how it was B2P from the very start and still managed to add Multiple New Zones and New Content without people having to pay for it.
Would it be so hard for ZOS to remake a single Costume for free to show that they care about consumers, when other companies have given out large amount of updates and content completely free?
I guess it is.
It is sad all around. A texture update couldn't be that expensive. They could just get a Skyrim modder to do it for them!
The worst part is how we had to squeeze a response to this out of ZOS, and it wasn't even given in this thread!PC-NA2 -
Saoirse_Siobhan✭✭✭✭✭aheck1111_ESO wrote: »I mean, would it really be that hard for them to do something that wouldn't result in them making money?
I know people say 'They are a company, they need to make money' but I will once again reference Guild Wars 2 and how it was B2P from the very start and still managed to add Multiple New Zones and New Content without people having to pay for it.
Would it be so hard for ZOS to remake a single Costume for free to show that they care about consumers, when other companies have given out large amount of updates and content completely free?
I guess it is.
It is sad all around. A texture update couldn't be that expensive. They could just get a Skyrim modder to do it for them!
The worst part is how we had to squeeze a response to this out of ZOS, and it wasn't even given in this thread!
They'll probably end up closing this thread now with a simple copy & paste of the same excuse :
"We've decided to close this thread. Discussion on the Breton Hero Costume has more or less made its point and we'll take learnings from it into consideration for future costume designs."PC/EU DC1 -
Blackbird71✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Blackbird71 wrote: »khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »Does no one else remember zos said there will never be capes due to lag. That statement explains everything.
Explains nothing really. Capes dont cause lag. Theyre calculated by the game's client on your computer and have nothing to do with latency. They may (and would) cause lower FPS, however... how hard would it be to have an extra drop down menu in the gameplay settings:
Capes:
- visible
- visible on player's character only
- hidden
And then you could have a secondary menu where youd choose if the capes should be calculated with physics or use a pre-defined skeleton.
You don't have to agree with what they said or like it, and you can argue against the sense of it, but that is likely the reason it is what it is. That's all I'm saying.
Sounds much more like an excuse than a legitimate reason; a client-side item should in no way impact lag, so no it is not a reason. A reason has to be real and accurate, not based on a false premise.
You want the reason they cannot give us capes/cloaks? Well luckily they spoke of it in detail during today's ESO Live in the Ask Us Anything segment! Give it a look-see for your answer.
I'm not going to bother looking it up at the moment (perhaps later when I have more time), but if it is the same answer we have been given before of "it would increase lag", as I stated that is false and a non-reason. It may be the reason they gave, but it is not a reason. Flat out, it is a lie. Client-side animations do NOT affect client to server latency (unless they are somehow tying hit locations to flappy bits of fabric, which would be utterly moronic).
If they can't put capes/cloaks in the game, fine, but they need to 1) not lie to us about the reasons, and 2) after stating it can't be done, don't go and do it badly; do it right or not at all.Edited by Blackbird71 on August 15, 2016 7:00PM4 -
Blackbird71✭✭✭TheWhiteDarkness wrote: »quote="ZOS_JessicaFolsom;3241302"]aheck1111_ESO wrote: »Thanks for the updates @ZOS_JessicaFolsom! While we wait, what are your thoughts on the Breton Hero Costume?
In case you've not seen this yet:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/280267/yes-i-am-going-to-keep-hurling-abuse-at-the-breton-costume/p1
We've read the feedback in that thread. We'll take learnings from it into consideration for future costume designs.
So... yep, were stuck with this sorry excuse for a costume with no fixes or improvements. I guess we give up now? They say they're going to take our comments into consideration for future costume designs, but for some reason, I'm definitely not optimistic!
So now it's time for all those who optimistically bought this in hopes of a later fix to realize that no fix is coming, and so they need to start peppering ZOS with refund requests. ZOS has made it clear that they will only change when they see a direct impact on their wallet.4 -
UltimaJoe777✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Blackbird71 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Blackbird71 wrote: »khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »Does no one else remember zos said there will never be capes due to lag. That statement explains everything.
Explains nothing really. Capes dont cause lag. Theyre calculated by the game's client on your computer and have nothing to do with latency. They may (and would) cause lower FPS, however... how hard would it be to have an extra drop down menu in the gameplay settings:
Capes:
- visible
- visible on player's character only
- hidden
And then you could have a secondary menu where youd choose if the capes should be calculated with physics or use a pre-defined skeleton.
You don't have to agree with what they said or like it, and you can argue against the sense of it, but that is likely the reason it is what it is. That's all I'm saying.
Sounds much more like an excuse than a legitimate reason; a client-side item should in no way impact lag, so no it is not a reason. A reason has to be real and accurate, not based on a false premise.
You want the reason they cannot give us capes/cloaks? Well luckily they spoke of it in detail during today's ESO Live in the Ask Us Anything segment! Give it a look-see for your answer.
I'm not going to bother looking it up at the moment (perhaps later when I have more time), but if it is the same answer we have been given before of "it would increase lag", as I stated that is false and a non-reason. It may be the reason they gave, but it is not a reason. Flat out, it is a lie. Client-side animations do NOT affect client to server latency (unless they are somehow tying hit locations to flappy bits of fabric, which would be utterly moronic).
If they can't put capes/cloaks in the game, fine, but they need to 1) not lie to us about the reasons, and 2) after stating it can't be done, don't go and do it badly; do it right or not at all.
"It causing lag" was actually not stated as a reason. It was more like "technologically incompatible".Edited by UltimaJoe777 on August 15, 2016 7:28PMGuildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
Proud Founder of the Yaysay cult! DOWN WITH THE NAYSAY CULT!! #ToxicRemedy0 -
C4rt3r_H4ll✭✭TheWhiteDarkness wrote: »aheck1111_ESO wrote: »I mean, would it really be that hard for them to do something that wouldn't result in them making money?
I know people say 'They are a company, they need to make money' but I will once again reference Guild Wars 2 and how it was B2P from the very start and still managed to add Multiple New Zones and New Content without people having to pay for it.
Would it be so hard for ZOS to remake a single Costume for free to show that they care about consumers, when other companies have given out large amount of updates and content completely free?
I guess it is.
It is sad all around. A texture update couldn't be that expensive. They could just get a Skyrim modder to do it for them!
The worst part is how we had to squeeze a response to this out of ZOS, and it wasn't even given in this thread!
They'll probably end up closing this thread now with a simple copy & paste of the same excuse :
"We've decided to close this thread. Discussion on the Breton Hero Costume has more or less made its point and we'll take learnings from it into consideration for future costume designs."
Copy and paste excuse is a staple of theirs.
I present the following proof:
I right clicked on a Polished mudcrab shell and asked for help due to the fact that I did not get credit towards the achievement
"Customer By () (08/01/2016 04:09 AM)
I am not getting credit "
Auto-Response By (Administrator) (08/01/2016 04:09 AM)
Greetings!
Thank you for contacting The Elder Scrolls Online Team.
After a recent patch, Monster Trophy items are no longer usable. You will receive credit to your achievement when you pick it up. As such, it can be safely sold or deleted once credit has been received. If you picked up the item prior to the change, you will need to re-acquire it.
All collectible trophies will now grant the associated achievement when the item is first looted.
Monster trophies will always drop off appropriate level monsters for your character. A game-wide audit was done to make sure that no matter what level you are, there is always a place you can go to work on collecting the trophy you are looking for.
Collectible trophies can no longer be banked and traded to another character.
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The Elder Scrolls Online TeamCustomer By () (08/04/2016 04:10 AM) This issue is not solved please help me
Response By (Ricky) (08/08/2016 02:17 PM)
Greetings,
Thank you for contacting The Elder Scrolls Online team. We appreciate you taking the time to contact us with your inquiry, however, we are unable to process your request.
Please note that if you are playing on PC/Mac platform, you can always submit feedback directly to the Developers by typing /feedback into your chat box. You will not receive a reply to this but rest assured that it is extremely helpful to the Dev Team.
We apologize for any inconvenience.
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Customer By () (08/08/2016 12:45 PM)
What does that mean you are unable to process my request There is an in game issue and what, your solution is sorry we can't help you generic answer #3?
On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 2:43 PM, ESO English Support <ESO_Help@helpmail.elderscrollsonline.com> wrote:
Response By (Chet) (08/04/2016 02:43 PM)
Greetings,
Thank you for contacting The Elder Scrolls Online team. We appreciate you taking the time to contact us with your inquiry, however, we are unable to process your request.
Please note that if you are playing on PC/Mac platform, you can always submit feedback directly to the Developers by typing /feedback into your chat box. You will not receive a reply to this but rest assured that it is extremely helpful to the Dev Team.
We apologize for any inconvenience.
Warm Regards,
The Elder Scrolls Online Team
@ZOS_GinaBruno Please fire Chet and Ricky1 -
Abeille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Blackbird71 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Blackbird71 wrote: »khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »Does no one else remember zos said there will never be capes due to lag. That statement explains everything.
Explains nothing really. Capes dont cause lag. Theyre calculated by the game's client on your computer and have nothing to do with latency. They may (and would) cause lower FPS, however... how hard would it be to have an extra drop down menu in the gameplay settings:
Capes:
- visible
- visible on player's character only
- hidden
And then you could have a secondary menu where youd choose if the capes should be calculated with physics or use a pre-defined skeleton.
You don't have to agree with what they said or like it, and you can argue against the sense of it, but that is likely the reason it is what it is. That's all I'm saying.
Sounds much more like an excuse than a legitimate reason; a client-side item should in no way impact lag, so no it is not a reason. A reason has to be real and accurate, not based on a false premise.
You want the reason they cannot give us capes/cloaks? Well luckily they spoke of it in detail during today's ESO Live in the Ask Us Anything segment! Give it a look-see for your answer.
I'm not going to bother looking it up at the moment (perhaps later when I have more time), but if it is the same answer we have been given before of "it would increase lag", as I stated that is false and a non-reason. It may be the reason they gave, but it is not a reason. Flat out, it is a lie. Client-side animations do NOT affect client to server latency (unless they are somehow tying hit locations to flappy bits of fabric, which would be utterly moronic).
If they can't put capes/cloaks in the game, fine, but they need to 1) not lie to us about the reasons, and 2) after stating it can't be done, don't go and do it badly; do it right or not at all.
"It causing lag" was actually not stated as a reason. It was more like "technologically incompatible".
I can't watch it right now. Did they say that making it possible to add capes to the game is something they wish to do in the future, or did they shut down the possibility completely?Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.0
