Hempyre wrote: »

Stop calling it an execute. Its not.
...
Give this nerf rd crap a rest.

No. Also, no.

Idinuse wrote: »

Maybe RD should have the range reduced to 18m and the damage doubled from 25% and the animation which can't be cancelled removed. That way RD would be no problem at range but a problem up close as it after all is suppose to be an execute.

Wooooo! Pump the damage and make it instant might be fair for that range reduction. BUT if you make it 10meters and also lower the cost, like to 1000 magica, I want to be able to spam 30k+ J-beams the way the mag sorcs get to spam light attack overloads! Bam 30K! Bam 30K! Bam 30K! Bam 30K! Bam 30K! Bam 30K! Just as fast as those sorcs can jackhammer the light attack button (or as fast as those bowblades can rapid fire those poison laced light attacks) is as fast as I want to mash the RD button!

Essiaga wrote: »

Much more likely to get hit by 5 Poison Injections from 5 different people in my experiences.

The snipe morph / poison injection / spray morph combo is vicious. We have few times we can use break free, so either snipe morph from stealth hits hard and debuffs for the coming injection through either lower resistance or defiled healing, with the now-arriving injection doing more damage, and the spray morph delaying me from countering and slowing me down from getting distance from a BOW build. Then there are the spammed light attacks from a bow that has another poison being used as a glyph - often a resource draining poison so that their target literally has zero ability to counter.

These people are running such builds at range and have the chutzpah to be cranky over the range of RD?!?!

Cryptical wrote: »

Essiaga wrote: »

Much more likely to get hit by 5 Poison Injections from 5 different people in my experiences.

The snipe morph / poison injection / spray morph combo is vicious. We have few times we can use break free, so either snipe morph from stealth hits hard and debuffs for the coming injection through either lower resistance or defiled healing, with the now-arriving injection doing more damage, and the spray morph delaying me from countering and slowing me down from getting distance from a BOW build. Then there are the spammed light attacks from a bow that has another poison being used as a glyph - often a resource draining poison so that their target literally has zero ability to counter.

These people are running such builds at range and have the chutzpah to be cranky over the range of RD?!?!

Looks like I'll say it again

BOWS CAN BE REFLECTED

And you can purge a snare/ poison

So can we counter RD like that? Flap wings and you take the beam instead of me?

Press my rapid and your beam stops
Working?

Purge the beam away??

You are completely ignoring the fact all these skills have a counter and hit nowhere near as hard as RD does

Also do you realise you used a whole
Combination of skills arguing that they are worse than one?

Jesus beam is OP as *** and everybody knows it

So this has turned into a #nerfDK thread?

Wings doesn't need a nerf. It only works half the time anyway and is hella expensive. While I would love to reflect Radiant (and siege ), instead I look at templars beaming you at full health as a big bright beacon pointing to a templar I need to go make miserable. When it's 3 or 4 of them beaming you from the back of a zerg... I'm probably going to die anyway.

@Decado You CAN purge Radiant.

Hahahaha this is becoming funny,

Firstly this isn't a thread complaining about Templars which we could do if you like? I ran across a group of Templars the other day which I'm pretty sure would of taken a nuclear strike from orbit to kill.

This is about one specific skill which is *** broken and to hear people defending it is laughable

You all keep pretending it's fine

Oh and it's easily the most powerful execute in the game hitting harder than all the others and at over double the health of most, a sorcs execute is laughable compared to Jesus beam, the onl the execute that comes close to comparing it reverse slice and that's a melee one

But yeah I'll learn2play against hose Templars hiding behind zergs spamming it where they can't be touched

Everything is block able does it stop it doing stupid damage? No it does massive damage even though a block

And I've never once seen a purge stop a beam,

Is over half of cyrodill are running the same build chances are there is something overpowered or broken in that build,


So oh wise one who clearly knows how to counter it,

How should I counter those people hiding behind others Jesus beaming?

And let me ask you a very simple question,

What is the best execute in the game? Which one hits the hardest? And which one do you start using first?

SadieJoan wrote: »

The reason many templars are 'unkillable' is to do with the item sets they are wearing, not because they are templars. And if people are complaining that RD hits really hard, cannot be reflected or purged or anything, then maybe certain 2h skills should also hit for less, be reflectable and purgable, because they hit much harder and are far more OP than RD, in my experience

Sigh, they are also melee skills and everyone of them can be dodge rolled


Edit:

Saw your edit after I replied,

I mention that it's the best execute in the game because people claim it "hits like a noodle"

For the record I plan all classes in PvP depending on my mood any play style I do not have it out for any class they all have weak and strong points but the fact is in pvp Jesus beam is overpowered

SadieJoan wrote: »

Decado wrote: »

SadieJoan wrote: »

The reason many templars are 'unkillable' is to do with the item sets they are wearing, not because they are templars. And if people are complaining that RD hits really hard, cannot be reflected or purged or anything, then maybe certain 2h skills should also hit for less, be reflectable and purgable, because they hit much harder and are far more OP than RD, in my experience

Sigh, they are also melee skills and everyone of them can be dodge rolled

and RD can be cloaked by a nb, and blocked

EDIT

*** it I'm done with this conversation it's clearly pointless,

RD is the most powerful execute in the game, it starts the earliest, has the best range and hits the hardest,

You want to defend that and down play it be my guest, you can defend those no skill Templars who spam it from range who make your class a running joke

I'm well aware there are actually skilled Templars out there unfortunately
They are overshadowed by the guys who spam that one skill or run certain sets to make them unkillable and are under the illusion this makes them good players

Anything that gets broken and the flavour of the monthers reroll 2, they give anyone playing that class a bad reputation until they move to the next broken thing

Idinuse wrote: »

Decado wrote: »

Looks like I'll say it again

BOWS CAN BE REFLECTED

And you can purge a snare/ poison

So can we counter RD like that?

Purge the beam away??

Looks like I'll say it again

RD CAN BE BLOCKED

And PURGED indeed.

It can also be interupted so why not use the bow arrows that can be blocked and reflected, with poison that can be purged, since doing so the Templar would need to interupt the channel to block or/and purge. Or have your Sorcs and Archers shoot their stun or knockback skills, they have the exact same range as RD, thus interupting the beamer. But no, we all know these are much rather going for the KBs on the frontline, right? I know because that's where I am.

Decado wrote: »

You are completely ignoring the fact all these skills have a counter and hit nowhere near as hard as RD does

Also do you realise you used a whole
Combination of skills arguing that they are worse than one?

Jesus beam is OP as *** and everybody knows it

You are completely ignoring the existing and fully functional counters to RD. Those two letters with a 2 between them is certainly something that would lessen the crying over RD to mostly the usual moaners.

There's a reason that good Templars have little trouble with RD and it's not some magic immunity nor aliens. It's because we know exactly what RD can and can not do and therefore we know what we can do to counter it. Everyone should learn it too.

RD is an execut that hits like a noodle (outside of third party programs) at full to high health and does execute damage from 25%. Between 50-25% it does less damage than a Crystal Frag (often less even under 25% depending on mag mitigations) which when 5 Sorc are spamming you with it is near impossible to deal with. Or arrows from 5 Bows. Heck, at 100-30% health RD does less damage with crit than both my Javlin and Reflective Light. I strongly urge all Templars to open with these skills in rotation with LA weaved in. The effect will be more disasterous than the 100% health beam spams. So much so that there will be an outcry to bring back the 100% health RD spamming.

Crystal Frag spammers are about the easiest thing to kill I could think of, unlike RD you can dodge, reflect and effectively block them, and when you do get at them, they can't just heal to full like a RD spammer. So no, 5 of those would make for a very easy 1vX actually.
Snipers have higher range and NBs cloak away as soon as you look at them, also they can and do dodge more. Annoying, also dangerous, but much easier to avoid and kill than RD spammers.
Decent Templar players will find ways to harm me more than by spamming BoL and RD, yes - but when one of the RD spammers starts using Javelin and Sun fire, I can simply shield it all away. If they spam Dark Flare instead, which is more common, I at least have to dodge and eventuall deal with them because that does deal high damage and apply a heal debuff.

Decado wrote: »

SadieJoan wrote: »

Decado wrote: »

SadieJoan wrote: »

The reason many templars are 'unkillable' is to do with the item sets they are wearing, not because they are templars. And if people are complaining that RD hits really hard, cannot be reflected or purged or anything, then maybe certain 2h skills should also hit for less, be reflectable and purgable, because they hit much harder and are far more OP than RD, in my experience

Sigh, they are also melee skills and everyone of them can be dodge rolled

and RD can be cloaked by a nb, and blocked

EDIT

*** it I'm done with this conversation it's clearly pointless,

RD is the most powerful execute in the game, it starts the earliest, has the best range and hits the hardest,

You want to defend that and down play it be my guest, you can defend those no skill Templars who spam it from range who make your class a running joke

I'm well aware there are actually skilled Templars out there unfortunately
They are overshadowed by the guys who spam that one skill or run certain sets to make them unkillable and are under the illusion this makes them good players

Anything that gets broken and the flavour of the monthers reroll 2, they give anyone playing that class a bad reputation until they move to the next broken thing

Yes I think you are.

Funny thing is that my reply to you beginning with "You are completly ignoring...." Initially read "You are completely ignorant of...", but I felt it a bit harsh. But you have truly proven that you are ignorant.

You keep stating things that are completely wrong or false, racking up facts about melee counters yet ignoring a simple counter as block, stating anything can be dodge rolled because you are Stamina based ignoring that a Templar or any standard mag build can do that twice before the stamina is deplated.

You keep stating that RD is damage wise the most OP Execute in the game far more powerfull than i.e. Executioner.

You ask me what my starter skill is and what my end skill is as if you expect that I open with RD and finish with RD, despite that I in one of my comments clearly state that I practically only switch to RD when all my other skills either get reflected or miss, and just above I write my opening and normal rotation. It does not inclue RD.

You ask "the oh so wise one" how to counter the RD spammers that hide behind others in the back, after I give you good and valid suggestions to actually use one or more skills that you mention have counters such as reflect or purge, to force backline Beamers to break the ray to do just what you state those skills counters are. In addition I suggest ranged skills that interrupt, stun or knockback are natural counters not only to RD spammers but any irritating channels such as heals i.e.

Yet you persist in implying I would be an RD spammer starting fights with RD and finishing with the OP RD execute dmg, yet I wrote that I know that Sorc and Archers rather go for KBs in the frontline than acually do something against the RD spammers hiding in the backline, because I am in the frontline, and as I wrote rotate Javeline, Reflective Light (and Blazing Spear) with LA weaved between, and not RD.

In fact this picture sums up your misconception about RD, as well as my rotations and use of RD. Note that RD is the killing blow with one whooping tick in execute range of 6k, and it's not the skill that in total dealt the most damage during this encounter, you'll understan my use of RD from this. And please do compare the execute damage of the RD tick to any and all other executes.

However, this differs from my normal group play rotation since this was a gank attempt 1v1 after we took a resource tower.

@SadieJoan, I will mention it again...
No one, with a tiny bit of experience, cares about a jesus beam in a 1v1 fight.
What we are complaining about is Jesus Beam spammers from afar.

And this thread is not about Templars being OP, even less about specific sets or other classes. It's about Radiant Destruction being too strong and mainly too easy to use/abuse (range, can't dodge).

For many it's essentially an WIN button.

I will mention it again... I feel bad for you if you get killed by RD

Also, if this is a thread about RD being too strong, then surely comparing it to other class (or more importantly stamina weapon) skills is exactly the correct thing to do. You cannot claim that something is too strong without something to compare it to, and when comparing RD to stamina skills right now, it is not strong at all.

kylewwefan wrote: »

RD is awesome in pug dungeons and shouldn't be nerffed because a few PvP don't like it. Similar feelings with stamina regen while blocking. Don't let PvP ruin the rest of the game. Maybe killers blade should get buffed to start at %50 also.

Most PvP'ers (in fact most probably the vast majority that are not playing templar), hate it and are acknowledging that this skill is OP.

Take a few minutes to read through the different post in this thread.. You will see that most people asking for a nerf would be happy with a simple range reduction.

How would reducing it's range to say 20m would "ruined" PVE content ?

Radiant can be bashed off. The real problem is that people solely rely on dodge rolling, shuffle, mist form, or reflects as defense. Radiant does not need a nerf. It really is a L2P issue.