Are players without DLC or ESO Plus meant to not be allowed to do random dungeons?
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CombatPrayer✭✭✭✭Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »The problem is, I have access to all DLCs. I'd rather have to replace the one player who didn't have access to WGT that rarely have it pop.
And that is what you want. I want an option to not exclude of my guildies because they don't have DLC when they bought the damn game already. I think we should have the choice. They paid for it and should not be forced out because they have chosen not to buy dlc or get eso plus.Wait so, if I don't have Hist (because I don't want it) that means I can't do random anymore?
It means that you will be in a random and if the leader has hist you will get a message that someone in the group doesn't have that DLC. Then you have to hope the leader is cool enough to pass the crown to you so you can be the leader and set the queue. It also means you better hope that nobody in the group is missing any DLC you might have because then you cannot do random unless that person has no DLC at all. then they get the crown.
And if that was confusing, you'll see what my point is.Edited by CombatPrayer on August 9, 2016 8:43PM0 -
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Fair enough. If two of the group have SotH and not IC, and the other two have IC and not SotH, then the issue still exists and what I suggested doesn't work.autumnsongbird wrote: »
That is only a solution if one in the group doesn't have any of the dlc dungeons. But there are people who have one of them and not the same ones. This means that we cannot have the group. So there is still an issue.Isn't the solution in your OP? You need to create the group before queuing, and then make the group leader the person who has no DLC. You said yourself that if the group leader doesn't have any DLC, you won't be given a DLC dungeon.UESP: The Unofficial Elder Scrolls Pages - A collaborative source for all knowledge on the Elder Scrolls series since 1995
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Fair enough. If two of the group have SotH and not IC, and the other two have IC and not SotH, then the issue still exists and what I suggested doesn't work.autumnsongbird wrote: »
That is only a solution if one in the group doesn't have any of the dlc dungeons. But there are people who have one of them and not the same ones. This means that we cannot have the group. So there is still an issue.Isn't the solution in your OP? You need to create the group before queuing, and then make the group leader the person who has no DLC. You said yourself that if the group leader doesn't have any DLC, you won't be given a DLC dungeon.
Exactly, and that leads to a lot of frustration. If we could set to exclude DLC dungeons it would make it much easier. Then people could get their randoms and if some wanted to do those others, honestly they go there anyway. I have ICP and WGT runners in my guild. They are only a few that want to farm there. The rest just want to get a random dungeon in for the xp and are happy to let the person without DLC set the dungeons most especially since some of them really do want nothing more than a quick xp bonus grab.0 -
Lucius_Aelius✭✭✭✭Lucius_Aelius wrote: »SolarCat02 wrote: »Lucius_Aelius wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Lucius_Aelius wrote: »...either way you can't really complain about people not being able to do content they haven't purchased.
It's not that, the issue is the game penalizing players because another member of their party didn't buy the same content they did.
But if you're playing with someone that hasn't bought the content then there's no practical way around it except them buying what they don't have, letting people play content they don't own just because someone in their group does own it would trivialize the purchasing of DLC's, it could just never work. It is what it is, there's no point complaining about something that can't be avoided.
The issue is the group finder only looks at the content owned by the group leader, then gives an error and refuses to queue if someone else in the group owns less of the DLC.
It's expected that you won't be able to do White Gold Tower with someone who doesn't own Imperial City. That makes sense.
But if you queue for a random dungeon with that same person with you as group leader, and you own the DLC but they do not, instead of picking randomly from the base game dungeons it gives an error and refuses to queue at all.
Now add in Shadows of the Hist. If you own IC but not Hist, and your friend owns Hist but not IC, the only way you can queue together for a random dungeon is if you find someone who doesn't have ANY DLC, and give that person the crown. Otherwise you just can't do a random, you have to pick a specific one you both have instead, and forego the bonus to doing a random.
Now let's say you want to do a dungeon with four friends. You have IC but not Hist, one friend has Hist but not IC, one has ESO+, and the fourth in your group doesn't have any DLC yet. Well great, you can queue for a random as long as your friend with no DLC has crown.
But wait, he's got the grouping bug where he can't have crown or invite anyone to group with him. So you still can't run a random dungeon because he can't be leader, and your whole group is incompatible. The ESO+ person can run a random with either you or your friend with the other DLC as long as he is not the leader. Meanwhile, the person without DLC cannot participate with anyone who owns any DLC unless he finds someone else without DLC who can be crown.
The whole coding jumble is broken.
Well I said in my first post that if it works that way it should be fixed, so I don't understand why you seemed to take issue with my comment (as in suggesting I was somehow off), I've already said as much as you're saying now.
Lucius, from the start of the thread the desire was to have the group queue choose a random dungeon from the list of dungeons that everyone could play.
You were talking about something different, which is why it looked like the issue needed to be spelled out for you in excruciating detail.
It was /never/ about getting a person into an un-bought dungeon. It was *always* about the irritation created by the group finder not checking which dungeons all 4 people can access before picking a dungeon to queue into.
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Lucius_Aelius✭✭✭✭autumnsongbird wrote: »Lucius_Aelius wrote: »It's unavoidable that people without the DLC's won't be able to play all content, and can't expect to do the dailies every day if it happens to be one of the DLC Dungeons. I've never tried to play with people that didn't have the DLC, but it seems clear to me that it should just not have the DLC Dungeons in the random rotation if you have anyone in the group who doesn't own the relevant DLC (with a check run before the search starts where it only looks for dungeons that everyone has access to). If that's already how it works then great, and I don't see what you're complaining about. If not then it needs to be fixed, but either way you can't really complain about people not being able to do content they haven't purchased.
I am not complaining. I am saying there is a problem. And it doesn't work that way so it needs to be fixed.
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✭✭✭✭✭autumnsongbird wrote: »Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »The problem is, I have access to all DLCs. I'd rather have to replace the one player who didn't have access to WGT that rarely have it pop.
And that is what you want. I want an option to not exclude of my guildies because they don't have DLC when they bought the damn game already. I think we should have the choice. They paid for it and should not be forced out because they have chosen not to buy dlc or get eso plus.Wait so, if I don't have Hist (because I don't want it) that means I can't do random anymore?
It means that you will be in a random and if the leader has hist you will get a message that someone in the group doesn't have that DLC. Then you have to hope the leader is cool enough to pass the crown to you so you can be the leader and set the queue. It also means you better hope that nobody in the group is missing any DLC you might have because then you cannot do random unless that person has no DLC at all. then they get the crown.
And if that was confusing, you'll see what my point is.
So, you want the rest of us to be punished because you do not have the dlc.
The only way for you to get what you want without punishing the rest of us with access is for those with DLC access to be able to exclude those without DLC access so they are not considered for being grouped with us in the group finder.
It's a bitter pill solution that would not work leaving the best method as the one currently in place.0 -
CombatPrayer✭✭✭✭autumnsongbird wrote: »And that is what you want. I want an option to not exclude of my guildies because they don't have DLC when they bought the damn game already. I think we should have the choice. They paid for it and should not be forced out because they have chosen not to buy dlc or get eso plus.Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »autumnsongbird wrote: »Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »The problem is, I have access to all DLCs. I'd rather have to replace the one player who didn't have access to WGT that rarely have it pop.
And that is what you want. I want an option to not exclude of my guildies because they don't have DLC when they bought the damn game already. I think we should have the choice. They paid for it and should not be forced out because they have chosen not to buy dlc or get eso plus.Wait so, if I don't have Hist (because I don't want it) that means I can't do random anymore?
It means that you will be in a random and if the leader has hist you will get a message that someone in the group doesn't have that DLC. Then you have to hope the leader is cool enough to pass the crown to you so you can be the leader and set the queue. It also means you better hope that nobody in the group is missing any DLC you might have because then you cannot do random unless that person has no DLC at all. then they get the crown.
And if that was confusing, you'll see what my point is.
So, you want the rest of us to be punished because you do not have the dlc.
The only way for you to get what you want without punishing the rest of us with access is for those with DLC access to be able to exclude those without DLC access so they are not considered for being grouped with us in the group finder.
It's a bitter pill solution that would not work leaving the best method as the one currently in place.
Good god are people just refusing to understand what I am saying? I asked for an OPTION of remove DLC from the queue when you queue. An OPTION. I bolded it for simplicity. See that word? OPTION --- do you know what that means? It means a CHOICE. Not something that would change it for everyone, but something that people who just want to do that random and not have to deal with all this nonsense created by ZOS DLC could choose to be able to do the random. What you do is your business. You want to do the ones with DLC and kick those who don't have it, do that. I do not wish to do that, and most especially not to my guildies.
Now please stop thinking someone is trying to take your toys away from you. That was never what was asked and if you had read the whole thing before going off sideways on it you might have understood that, but alas, it seems people don't want to read and comprehend. They just see something and automatically think it's going to cause them to lose something they have. Then they post and get all pissy about it. So common in this forum that it's grown very tiresome.
It's not a bitter pill solution except for bitter pill people who cannot comprehend what I said.
ALSO - I have ESO PLUS and I bought Imperial so this is not about what I have. It is about me wanting to give my guildies the random runs I think they deserve. So do not assume that things. Your assumptions are entirely wrong. Your whole post shows you haven't even comprehended what I was asking. Perhaps read, comprehend and then respond next time.Edited by CombatPrayer on August 11, 2016 6:18PM1 -
SolarCat02✭✭✭✭✭The dungeon finder used to check which dungeons everyone in the group had access to before queuing for a random dungeon. There was no need for checkboxes or any of the current proposals, it used to be smart enough to say "Hey! This person in the group doesn't have Imperial City! I just won't add those dungeons to the possible random choices!"
Now it's not smart, and can't figure that out.
It's like... If I told my husband to pick where to go this year for vacation and whatever it is I will go, and he answered back that we can't go on vacation because I don't have a passport like he has... but then if I get a passport, he's still more likely to take us to the local beach.
This doesn't have to take away from anyone who wants to run the DLC dungeons. If you want to farm WGT, then go queue for WGT. If you want to run it with friends, just pick ones that have the DLC. If you want a chance for WGT to pop from your random, then just make sure everyone queuing has the DLC.
But don't tell me I can't queue with Matt and Tom for a random I-don't-care-what-dungeon-we-run because they own different DLC. That's turning them into 2nd class citizens of Tamriel. If that's the solution, then I will drop ESO+ so that I don't have ANY DLC because I would rather play random dungeons with my FRIENDS than try to tiptoe around the tangled broken coding trying to force dungeon finder to actually do its job.
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✭✭✭✭✭@autumnsongbirdautumnsongbird wrote: »autumnsongbird wrote: »And that is what you want. I want an option to not exclude of my guildies because they don't have DLC when they bought the damn game already. I think we should have the choice. They paid for it and should not be forced out because they have chosen not to buy dlc or get eso plus.Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »autumnsongbird wrote: »Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »The problem is, I have access to all DLCs. I'd rather have to replace the one player who didn't have access to WGT that rarely have it pop.
And that is what you want. I want an option to not exclude of my guildies because they don't have DLC when they bought the damn game already. I think we should have the choice. They paid for it and should not be forced out because they have chosen not to buy dlc or get eso plus.Wait so, if I don't have Hist (because I don't want it) that means I can't do random anymore?
It means that you will be in a random and if the leader has hist you will get a message that someone in the group doesn't have that DLC. Then you have to hope the leader is cool enough to pass the crown to you so you can be the leader and set the queue. It also means you better hope that nobody in the group is missing any DLC you might have because then you cannot do random unless that person has no DLC at all. then they get the crown.
And if that was confusing, you'll see what my point is.
So, you want the rest of us to be punished because you do not have the dlc.
The only way for you to get what you want without punishing the rest of us with access is for those with DLC access to be able to exclude those without DLC access so they are not considered for being grouped with us in the group finder.
It's a bitter pill solution that would not work leaving the best method as the one currently in place.
Good god are people just refusing to understand what I am saying? I asked for an OPTION of remove DLC from the queue when you queue. An OPTION. I bolded it for simplicity. See that word? OPTION --- do you know what that means? It means a CHOICE. Not something that would change it for everyone, but something that people who just want to do that random and not have to deal with all this nonsense created by ZOS DLC could choose to be able to do the random. What you do is your business. You want to do the ones with DLC and kick those who don't have it, do that. I do not wish to do that, and most especially not to my guildies.
Now please stop thinking someone is trying to take your toys away from you. That was never what was asked and if you had read the whole thing before going off sideways on it you might have understood that, but alas, it seems people don't want to read and comprehend. They just see something and automatically think it's going to cause them to lose something they have. Then they post and get all pissy about it. So common in this forum that it's grown very tiresome.
It's not a bitter pill solution except for bitter pill people who cannot comprehend what I said.
ALSO - I have ESO PLUS and I bought Imperial so this is not about what I have. It is about me wanting to give my guildies the random runs I think they deserve. So do not assume that things. Your assumptions are entirely wrong. Your whole post shows you haven't even comprehended what I was asking. Perhaps read, comprehend and then respond next time.
If me not agreeing with you or accepting your oppinion is the same as refusing to understand then your right.
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CombatPrayer✭✭✭✭Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »If me not agreeing with you or accepting your oppinion is the same as refusing to understand then your right.
However, I would suggest considering that someone can understand your message and still disagree.
So what exactly are you disagreeing with?0